- Ben's abilities in the future as "ultimate ben" could be explained by this as well.
1. The Ultimatrix A.I. makes an amount of virtual aliens with a murder need, with different mutations.
2. After a Battle Royale simulation, it “clones” the survivor and repeats the process, until there are no significant differences between a big number of consecutive winners.
Alien X can’t be programmed with the killer instinct because of its 3-ways split personality, while the Voice of reason is replaced by the "Voice of kill them’all", Bellicus and Serena are not affected and keep debating forever and ever…
- Maybe this is how Albedo got stuck as Alien X in the timeline mentioned by Professor Paradox.
- Ultimate Heatblast: Since Heatblast originates from a star, its Ultimate Form is a blue(blue stars are the most powerful) variation with a spherical flame jutting ou of the back. A trail of molten ground follows such a powerful entity.
- Ultimate Grey Matter: Giant Oracular Head with cybernetic body. Gains the ability to read minds.
- Jossed; Ultimate Grey Matter is a MODOK Expy.
- Ultimate Fourarms: Arms gain increased amount of dexterity, and feet also gain dexterity.
- Ultimate Stinkfly: Dragonfly based
- Ultimate Wildmutt (Canon): Gains red fur and a raised skunk stripe going down his back, can talk, and has enhanced strength and a tail with a spike on the end.
- Ultimate Ghostfreak: The natural form given a Lovecraftian freakiness to it. Ultimate Ghostfreak can generate a light-reflecting shield to overcome it's weakness to sunlight.
- Ultimate Diamondhead: Harder then Diamond more angular design
- Ultimate Ripjaws: More shark-like.
- Ultimate Upgrade: More mechanical.
- Alternatively, it develops an internal scanner that predicts incoming disasters as well as the strength of enemies/machines.
- Ultimate XLR8: Increasingly streamlined and nimble.
- Ultimate Cannonbolt (Canon): His shell turns steel-colored, becomes stronger, and gains spikes.
- Ultimate Wildvine: The maw becomes more organic and teeth liked.
- Ultimate Upchuck: Design becomes similar to Swalot.
- Ultimate Benwolf:More quadrupedal and gains super breath as well as more powerful howls.
- Ultimate Benmummy: Gains a sarcophogus shell. Capable of animating objects.
- Ultimate Benviktor: Quadrapedal, and has 3 heads
- Ultimate Ditto: Switch the colors, don't feel each others pain
- Ultimate Eye Guy: Turns into a giant, floating Faceless Eye with arms spurting from it. Naturally, the arms have eyes.
- Ultimate Way Big (Canon): Most of his white coloring turns blue, he gains two small additional horns on his head, and has enhanced cosmic powers.
- Ultimate Spitter: Bigger with a bigger mouth
- Ultimate Articguana (Canon): An iceberg covers most of his back and some of his arms. He gains two large cannons that are attached to his back, and can shoot fully formed icebergs instead of just freeze rays.
- Ultimate Buzzshock:
- Ultimate Swampfire (Canon): Becomes more tree-like with blue growths of corrosive energy on his head and shoulders, and has enhanced blue fire powers.
- Ultimate Big Chill (Canon): Becomes red with a flame motif, is faster, and has breath that causes all heat in the air to burn away, leaving behind ice (ergo, more efficient ice powers).
- Ultimate Goop: No need for the ufo can expand mass and whole thing in body, tentacles
- Ultimate Spidermonkey: (Canon): Turns into a purple and black gorilla with narrow eyes, trades two of his four arms for spider legs on his back for enhanced strength, and with his tail being absent, has a splitting jaw for enhanced webbing.
- Ultimate Humongousaur (Canon): His Stegosaur characteristics evolve into Ankylosaur characteristics, trading his growing power for enhanced strength and defense. His fists can transform into gating guns that fire missiles made of destabilized bone marrow.
- Ultimate Jetray: Turns significantly more manta-like.
- Ultimate Brainstorm: Ascended To A Higher Plain
- Ultimate Echo Echo (Canon): He grows to human-height and turns blue and black with a more robotic appearance, including a rounded boombox-shaped head. Instead of duplicating and unleashing sonic shouts, he can deploy and control multiple Sonic Disks for more controlled attacks.
- Ultimate Chromastone:
- Ultimate Alien X: A space detailed body showing galaxies instead of stars, 4 personalty's in addition to Ben
- Alternative, no change at all since it is already immune to harsh conditions.
- Larger number of minds inside, has someone constantly handling physical movements and requires only a small majority to use it's powers.
- Alternative: No alternate personalities; The idea of of the Ultimates is that they are a more combat focused upgrade and the only thing limiting Alien X is his inability to be decisive, stripping back to a single mind removes that single limit.
- Ultimate Lodestar:
- Ultimate Nanomech: a Humongous Mecha
- Ultimate Rath: Chuck Norris
- A Military Mastermind with a green coloration, Military jacket and the same speech pattern, but calmer. Oh and his Wolverine claws are now capable of firing Energy Blasts. Fights more like a actual soldier than the Leeroy Jenkins style Rath.
- Both Jossed; Ultimate Rath grows a large black mane and a second claw on each wrist, as we saw in Omniverse.
- Ultimate Water Hazard:
- Ultimate Ampfibian:
- Ultimate Terraspin:
- Ultimate Armodrillo:
- Ultimate NRG:
- Ultimate Jury Rigg:
- Ultimate Eatle:
- Ultimate Fasttrack:Yellow colour scheme, is able to fly at high speeds
- Ultimate ChamAlien: It can absorb elemental powers. It color also change accordingly.
- Ultimate Clockwork:
- Ultimate Shocksquatch:
- Ultimate Gravattack (Canon): Becomes a head with arms and gain three orbiting "moons" that resemble the Pokémon Koffing.
- Ultimate Blox: A Steampunk Ourangatange
- Ultimate Feedback:
- The problem with that is that is that Bens grandmother implied she thought one of her sons could have been an anodite, and asked Ben if he was able to manipulate energy. So she certainly thought it was possible her male progeny could be Anodites.
- Maybe there are no full blood (so to speak) male Anodites but halfbreeds can be male
- Maybe the full Anodite form is always female but half breeds can have male physical forms
- Maybe we should wait until we've seen more than 3 anodites to guess. I mean, if they have a normal 50/50 gender split it's not that weird that 3 we've seen are the same gender.
- its possible that it was the first time that a human and an anodite had crossbreed and she was unsure of the results
- Perhaps it is a new enemy's doing. The enemy will be disguised as a friend at first. He will slowly erase Ben's memories of past battles because one of them was important for the villain's Evil Plan. There will be a planetary invasion by something horrific.
- Jossed, but that would have been so cool.
- Ghostfreak is still in the Ultimatrix. Remember that he is sentient and evil.
- Word of God already said that Anodytes don't have DNA since they're energy beings. This means that it's impossible for the Omnitrix and Ultimatrix to have any Anodyte samples, thus making it impossible for Ben to find and access one in the database. It's also been confirmed that the Ultimatrix already has Osmosian DNA.
- Except that also means that there's no way for Gwen to have inherited anything from her grandmother. And that Max's sons are both basically clones of Max.
- This should be on the WMG for Alien Force. Odds are, Verdona was in the form of something, probably a human, which had DNA when Gwen and Ben's parents were born. How the powers got passed down is still anyone's guess.
- Sure, the Omnitrix could have an Anodyte form. Ghost Freak is also pure energy, and he got scanned in. Then again, when he was scanned, it cloned him; and he was trapped and sentient in the Omnitrix AND WANTED OUT! So if the Omnitrix contains an Anodyte, then it probably wants out, too.
- Additionally Alien X was implied to LET Albedo scan them and Forge of Creation states they spend forever in debate, Sentient scanned forms are the only one ones with their own mind, so Alien X is sentient, maybe he isn't Stir Crazy because Ben is the Last Best Hope to get one of them to be decisive?
- In Ben 10, 000 returns, the older ben uses Anodite powers, although its left ambiguous if that was a product of the Ultimatrix or of Ben's own latent Annodite heritage.
- Or that it's simply a skill. It's at least implied that he watched Gwen doing it for years and figure out how it's done. We know from Charmcaster that being an Annodite isn't a pre-requisite for casting spells it just helps you get better faster.
- The issue with the "its just a spell he picked up" argument is that Ben used mana, with the same trademark pink energy used by Gwen, Verdona, and their Cousin. I've never seen Hex or Charmaster use energy like that.
- Or that it's simply a skill. It's at least implied that he watched Gwen doing it for years and figure out how it's done. We know from Charmcaster that being an Annodite isn't a pre-requisite for casting spells it just helps you get better faster.
- In that case, Azmuth should consider using a Tree Sort instead of a Queue.
- Which would be a major Awesome Moment, or maybe not...
- Probably both. The moment will be awesome, but the evolved human form will be the opposite
To elaborate on the theory, either Albedo or Dr. Animo (they know the most about the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix) will figure out how to block Primus' signal, blanking out the Ultimatrix's holographic display. Ben will spend most of the episode Brought Down To Badass Normal, and then find out that the "go Ultimate" function is built into the Ultimatrix and doesn't rely on the Ultimatrix's connection to Primus.
- Well, it wasn't The Season Finale, but Future Ben DOES Go "Ultimate Ben".
So when the connection to Primus is cut, it will leave the ultimatrix only one usable function, which will "evolve" Ben's normal human form into the ultimate level, possibly causing controversy with his friends on evolving his human form.
Some Pokemon/Ben 10 stories predicted the evolution angle. Why not this? Think about it.
That said, if there is an "evolved" human form, then it will probably be some random dude.
- Word of God says the Ultimate forms are a simulation of what the race would be after a thousand generations under the harshest climates.
- Well, as of "Escape From Aggregor", we finally know that stage one of his plan is to permanently absorb the powers of all five of his captives. Where he goes from there is anyone's guess.
- Also, it's up in the air that Aggregor killed him.
- He didn't. He has his recaptured prisoners stasis-locked on his ship.
- Aggregor does seem quite intrigued by the Ultimatrix, but he intended to use it to force Ben into the shape he wants to steal powers from, rather than absorbing them directly from the device itself.
- Presumably Agreggor is a lot more experienced with his powers then Kevin was and understands the mess that absorbing straight from the watch would make him.
- Also, it's up in the air that Aggregor killed him.
- Jossed. Turns out Aggregor's master plan was to journey to the home of the Celestialsapiens, i.e. Alien X's race, and absorb an infant Celestialsapien (because baby Celestialsapiens lack multiple personalities) thus becoming an omnipotent uber-being easily capable of taking over the universe.
- Whatever he's after, Ben will use Echo Echo-aided duplication and the MegaManned alien forms to get to it first.
- Um, isn't Kevin half human? A simpler explanation is that he inherited his mother's forehead.
- Quarter human, so even more so
- Half-human. Dwayne confirmed that Devin was full-bred Osmosian.
- Quarter human, so even more so
- He's Hellboy?
- He's a brooding anti-hero on a team of three with his love interest and another male, whose primary weapon is one of his hands.
- Dwayne McDuffie confirmed that Osmosians live for hundreds of years, and don't grow antlers until they become at least 100 years old.
- Dwayne confirmed that Osmosians grow antlers as they mature and that they are fully mature at 100, doesn't mean that they couldn't start growing their horns earlier than that. May be Kevin did already start growing his horns but their so small right now that he could easily hide them with his hair. About the cutting them? I don't think that would work Osmosian horns look like their covered in skin like those of a giraffe instead of keratin like a bull's or Hellboy's.
- Anodites having no DNA makes Ben and part "blank slate", one of the implications being that they have an easier time "plugging in" the Omnitrix's DNA profiles than humans like Max or other aliens. This means that Gwen can simply dump all of her Tennyson DNA at a moment's notice by going full Anodite. No more biological incest problem.
- This theory is supported further by "Too Hot To Handle," where Gwen drives Kevin away because he insists that the alien that tried to put a bounty on his head is dangerous, and by "Video Games," where the two are fighting over Gwen's driving and Kevin's teaching methods, resulting in Ben taking Kevin's place and successfully teaching Gwen how to drive.
- In the latest episode "The Transmogrification of Eunice" Ben becomes infatuated with a girl named Eunice. Turns out she's actually a prototype of the Omnitrix that absorbed some of Gwen's DNA that it then used to create a human form, effectively making it a clone of Gwen
- Probably Jossed, since Word of God repeatedly said it wouldn't happen(For obvious reasons) and there's no way the network would allow it.
- Jossed in "Fused"- Ben, Gwen, and Kevin do try and take Aggegor when he comes for R'aad, but they don't call for the plumbers and get their butts kicked (though a rather poor choice of aliens on Ben's part, along with some jerkassery from R'aad, didn't help).
- Jossed in the episode "Where the Magic Happens." Gwen didn't kill Charmcaster. In fact, it's implied that the opposite might be happening.
- Alternately, he and his government connections are both part of an Ancient Conspiracy, perhaps some offshoot of the Forever Knights, and they're using Harangue to target Ben either because they're anti-alien, or because they're creating a smokescreen to distract people from what they're really up to. Hence Harangue's spectacularly visible attacks...
- I think Azmuth once said it only holds the DNA of intelligent life; sentient creatures, not the simple animal minds of Earth's lower links of the food chain.
- Does that mean it would go into scan mode around a Dolphin?
- There's no actual proof that dolphins are sentient. And when was the last time Ben was anywhere near a dolphin, anyway?
- Why would Ben's prior proximity to dolphins be an issue? Ben was never near that jellyfish species that the last of Aggregor's captives belong to, but we know the Ultimatrix will go into scan mode around it. Ben not having been near a dolphin is actually support for the argument you're trying to use it against.
- Wait, I thought that the Omnitrix surviving was the key to restoring all life in the universe, as stated by Asmuth in War of the Worlds? If that were the case, and the Omnitrix (and later the Ultimatrix) doesn't have the other animals, wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose? Not to mention the later revelation (retcon?) of Primus rendered the need for the Omnitrix to survive that battle totally pointless.
- We don't know that Azmuth doesn't have another Primus around maybe there is an Omnitrix for the none sentient animals.
- Of course you know that implies Wildmutt is Sentient....
- There's a big difference between sentience and sapience.
- there are many forms that sapience/sentience can take,
- Does that mean it would go into scan mode around a Dolphin?
- Jossed, at least in Ben and Julie's case; Ben only went out with Jennifer Nocturne for publicity reasons and to get close to Captain Nemesis, and once Nemesis goes bad and threatens Julie, Ben goes completely ape on him, and even makes a point of rescuing her over Nocturne.
- Un-Jossed. Ben and Julie broke up offscreen between seasons. Whether or not they stay broke up is anyone's guess.
- Re-Jossed. Ben and Julie got back together.
- Un-Re-Maybe-Jossed? Ben and Julie did break up permanently, but that happened in Omniverse. Kevin and Gwen are still going strong.
- This troper got the feeling that he's only going with her as a means to get close to Captain Nemesis. According to Word of God, he said that she'd be more than he bargained for, so I'm guessing that they're both going to be villains and will be in league with each other. Perhaps they're angry that Ben's stealing the limelight from them?
- Jossed. She's only focused on publicity, though not to the extent that she doesn't give a crap about Ben's existence.
- Especially, when she tries tries to give Kevin a kiss, Gwen warns her not to touch her man. She probably had enough and called her publicist she doesn't want to be around these "freaks" anymore.
- Alternately, something happened in the Null Void that split original series Kevin in two- the Kevin from Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, who got the original's memories and whatever real human feelings he was repressing, and the purely evil Aggregor. At this point, Aggregor possibly has amnesia about the event and Kevin definitely does (or at least didn't realize what really happened); The Reveal will come in the season finale.
- Jossed by the events at the Forge of Creation. *sniff*.
Ben is already 1/4 Anodite, and if I remember correctly, one time he came back from an Ultimate alien transformation, his eyes glowed the same violet colour Gwen displays during more powerful uses of her power. Since this has never happened before, it can be reasoned that the Ultimatrix is bringing forth Ben's Anodite side, meaning that it also counts as a transformation for Ben. However, there will be a risk of him losing his humanity if he transforms into an full anodite.
- Partially confirmed, as Ultimate Ben, the future Ben was able to use Anodite powers.
- Upon doing so he will experience The Power of Love and have a Heel–Face Turn. Then he will vow to protect the environment, or fucking kill people that pollute.
- I always thought Ben and Gwen were more like twins, being born on the same day and all. Anyway, what if the omnitrix didn't fall in to Ben's hands? I speculate he would have started developing his Anodite powers through human magic along side Gwen. However, the Omnitrix stopped his Anodite blood in its tracks and stoped it from developing, when it comes off and we have the time skip we see that Gwen continued to hone her powers while Ben concentrates on having a normal life. The Ultimatrix being able to upgrade forms, tried to upgrade Ben into his Anodite adult form, a Form he really should have developed by now.
- In a nutshell Ben's Alien Blood was squashed out by the omnitrix and the Ulimatrix will try to bring it back out, contradicting each other and having a really bad effect on Ben.
- a major consequence is that going in his Anodite form for the first time would make something explode...
- This could be explained as Ben's transformations keep "resetting" the development of his Anodite powers back to the stage they were at when Ben first got the Omnitrix. The Ultimatrix could "reset" the Anodite powers to where they should be when Ben took the Ultimatrix.
- Hey, this WMG would actually work well with the "Gwen 10" universe if Gwen had kept the Omnitrix; while Gwen got the alien powers, Ben would've developed magic powers.
- In Ben 10, 000 returns, the older Ben was able to use Anodite powers as Ultimate Ben.
- Why would anybody think his annodite blood is being suppressed instead of just he has no desire (currently) to pursue those skills. How many of you would spend presumably hours training in magic and martial arts if you could slap your watch and turn into a flying moth that has freeze breath and can become intangible. I can understand why Ben, especially with his personality, wouldn't bother doing something that resembled actual work.
- If the Omnitrix used the human as base form and alien as template to be applied, then improving oneself physically would be beneficial. The mental side may be a time issue or laziness as Ben has shown he is pretty smart and was paying attention when things were said.
- This will be in an episode where we see more of Kevin's mother, where it'll come out that he's named after one of his grandmothers.
- Go to donotquestionme's Deviantart. There is a picture that compares Aggregor and Devin. They look scarily alike.
- My theory is that on their home world Osmosians are divided into several tribes that differ by physical appearance, culture, and matter affinity. I think Aggregor is in the same tribe that Devin is from, may be Devin and Aggregor are cousins.
- We don't know how Gwen and Kevin met between Ben 10 and Ben 10: Alien Force. One of Gwen's Magic Misfire incidents accidentally let Kevin free. When she saw an unconscious boy suddenly in front of her, Gwen went over and put her hand on his shoulder, turning him over to look at his face. Kevin was semiconscious and had his eyes closed, but Gwen recognized him and probably got the hell out of there. In Episode 1 of Alien Force, Gwen was the one to exclaim and stare at him for a few seconds. Kevin did the same thing, but only after Gwen touched him on the shoulder.
- This is actually on the page, but hasn't yet been confirmed, so it belongs here.
- Confirmed. ........ What? Someone had to say it.
- sort of confirmed?
- Heck, he wasn't that good a guy to being with.
- Don't you mean Squirrel Boy?
- Alternatively, he will become Chuck Norris.
- Confirmed with the 3rd piece. Aggregor even thanks Ben for serving as a distraction to the guy who had the piece.
- Semi-confirmed. He powers up straight from the Ultimatrix, while Ben is still human.
- Bellicus was Jerk!Ben that stayed at the tennis championship and Serena was Sensitive!Ben that wanted to talk about his feelings with Kevin. Man, that makes a lot of sense.
- Nope, just a simple stupid episode where clones of someone have one of their traits amplified for no reason. Why would you think this?
- Or, at least, the five of them will Fight From The Inside to help Ben win.
- If Aggregor had absorbed the baby Alien X, the five of them would have been the "committee" Aggregor would have had to negotiate with to use Alien X's powers.
- Well, I got my wish. They're back.
- Nah, that would be anticlimactic. Alternatively, Grandpa Max will wake up from his healing chamber, stronger than ever, and he kills Aggregor. Now THAT would be cool.
- Word of God is that Charmcaster won't be staying an ally (meaning she'll be either stuck in her world or coerced back into evil by Hex or something.) And it's all a moot point now, anyway, since Kevin powered up, beat Aggregor, drained his powers, and went Ax-Crazy again in the process.
Either way, when the heroes see her again, she'll be back to her old self, now with an entire realm of magic at her command.
- Of course, it's quite possible she'll take over simply because her people need leadership, and she's the best available candidate (depressing thought, isn't it?
- Confirmed. "Enemy of my Frenemy" reveals that the rebels promptly started to war against each other after defeating Addwaitya because they wanted to rule Legerdomain themselves. Charmcaster defeated the others and became the Dimension Lord of Legerdomain. Then things got worse.
For all you haters, I predict that not only will Charmcaster's Heel Face Turn stick, but she will end up hooking up with Cooper.
- He did mention in his first appearance that they once teamed up to save the entire Univ— never mind.
- Two out of three ain't bad. But you will have to keep dreaming.
- I wasn't counting Bwen. Kevin did not get the Absolute Power, but they still beat Agreggor and Kevin did go evil. The other guy is going to have to keep dreaming.
- Obviously, the current arc has a strong Kevin focus, what with the explanation of the nature of his powers and previous insanity, the Big Bad being his Evil Counterpart and now him going Ax-Crazy and mutated again. Word of God has dropped hints that the next season will be a Forever Knights storyline, which seems like it could have a straightforward focus on Ben (since the Knights have been some of Ben's most recurring villains since the first season of the first show- this could also involve more Grandpa Max). A hypothetical third season with a Gwen focus could feature a powered up Hex as Big Bad (possibly after he reconquers Ledgerdomain, if some of the above WMGs are true) with Charmcaster as Dragon with an Agenda and/or Wild Card.
- Alternate theory: Will Harangue is Enoch. He somehow escape from his virtual reality prison. Unless that's what he really looked like under the mask, he got plastic surgery. Will Harangue (and/or Enoch) may or may not even be his real name. And he got into politics in an attempt to get revenge on Ben and the gang. He also plans to get his revenge on the Forever Knights (particularly the splinter group led by Driscoll) for abandoning him.
- Or he could Max's old parter Phil from the original series episode "Truth". He somehow escaped from the Null Void and plans vengeance on Max by leading a hate-campaign against Ben.
- Possibly, since it turns out in "The Purge" that not only Enoch somehow got free from his virtual reality prison, but leads his own faction until it merged with the others.
- Or he could Max's old parter Phil from the original series episode "Truth". He somehow escaped from the Null Void and plans vengeance on Max by leading a hate-campaign against Ben.
Alternatively...
As for powers gained from the evolution, this troper leans toward either higher reaction speed or some sort of Healing Factor, as they seem to go in line with humans' perceived strengths in this universe (adaptability/ability to think on one's feet and their ability to survive just about anything, respectively).
- These last three WMGs go disturbingly well with the whole "an enemy they can't bring themselves to fight" angle in the season finale summary.
- If female Osmosians look as human as the males do then they probably feed their hatchlings milk.
- That actually sounds kind of cool, but where would the Vreedle brothers fit into that?
- Distraction, perhaps, so Argit will have an easier time sneaking in around the back?
- He's joining them. Why would he sneak around the back?
- Distraction, perhaps, so Argit will have an easier time sneaking in around the back?
- All jossed. The Vreedles were the ones who joined the Academy, on their father's insistence.
- Shame, that was a fun idea. Someone should write a fanfic about it!
- Semi-Jossed. He says that he kept her alive because of what she used to mean to him. But if she really meant nothing to him anymore, even the memory of loving her wouldn't have been enough to stop Rage!Kevin.
Ben 10,000 did mention to 10 year old Ben that something really bad would happen around about his teens... 16 wasn't it? And Kevin 11,000 only proves this point a little, having Kevin being his fused crazy self, but with the ability to control it. Of course, this means a rather bleak future for Ben, he's gonna seal Kevin in the Null void with Gwen, possibly with Gwen showing signs of pregnancy if Devlin Levin is Gwen's, which leads towards him becoming a bit more serious... then Vilgax will strike and that will lead towards Ben becoming who he was in Ben 10,000.
Unfortunately, with Kenny's dark skin, this has a high chance of not boding well for Julie. And there is a bit more potential proof, Max's nervous system has been damaged, so what is the perfect way to make it work well in the arms again? New, cybernetic, arms. Also explains Gwen's gift to Kenny in Ken 10, probably learned from Charmcaster how to make them. We even have Vulkanis showing up in the future.
As for the plot hole of why he didn't use the Ultimatrix's ultimate forms in the future (Assuming it's evolved to look like the Omnitrix), one could argue its been so long since Ben's had to use it that he forgot to, or had Azmuth lock it away for safe keeping after turning Vilgax into... the assortment of muscles and organs in the morgue... that and he probably remembered what he showed himself when he was younger.
- No, Azmuth said that he was making a new Omnitrix, so that will be what Ben 10,000 will wear! (Fanfic is being written for this RIGHT NOW)
- Jossed. In Omniverse, Ben wears the new Omnitrix, but Ben 10,000 wears the Biomnitrix instead.
- Jossed, the Ken 10 universe is an alternate reality. In Ben 10,000 returns, we meet a different Ben 10, 000 from the actual future.
- That makes a lot of sense, and that might even return Darkstar to his Mike form if he absorbs that much off Kevin.
- This could become a Moment of Awesome if done right. Instead of kicking Kevin's ass, shift all that power to Darkstar, then kick his ass.
- Confirmed, though it worked out differently than outlined above. Darkstar didn't drain the energy himself, but he did "help."
- Oh, if this is true, there will be PAIN.
- If he ever does, Ben swears he'll stop Kevin, for good.
- Jossed, he did turn good again.
- That's brilliant. I take this as my new canon!
- Pretty much confirmed. He repeatedly refers to the danger Kevin poses as the "end of the world", and Kevin is confirmed to be tracking down their half-alien friends and draining them dry, and Ben also feels responsible for Kevin's rampage, so he has the added bonus of feeling like he has lost lives on his conscience weighing down on him.
- Anyone effected by his energy absorption was restored when Kevin was drained, as evidenced by the complete return of the Andromeda aliens.
- But he still did it. Crazy or not, that'll mess a guy up.
- What'll mess him up the most is knowing that he hurt Gwen and tried to kill her.
- But he still did it. Crazy or not, that'll mess a guy up.
- Possibly with a connection to Mike Morningstar. They're both blonde and blue-eyed, they both have an easy time attracting the opposite sex, they both have weird last names, and they're both attracted to one half of the Power Couple Kevin and Gwen.
- Possibly. Now that Mike lost his powers, he'll use her cousin or sister's money to compensate.
- Her career could've gone down hill as a result of the Captain Nemesis thing and she returns as a supervillain blaming Ben.
- Or she could become a superpowered Stalker with a Crush
- Confirmed in "Catch a Falling Star" where she goes on the run with Nemesis. That girl has serious issues.
- Possibly with a connection to Mike Morningstar. They're both blonde and blue-eyed, they both have an easy time attracting the opposite sex, they both have weird last names, and they're both attracted to one half of the Power Couple Kevin and Gwen.
- And Kevin will never live it down.
The rival will be a more beastly race that doesn't like Osmosians. To go with Kevin's creepy opposition shiny body and Gwen's Mary sue ness. Sounds like it has been done.
- Probably Jossed by now; we meet True Ben 10,000 and he makes references to still having more or less the same relationship with Azmuth that Young Ben does.
- As of "Prisoner 775 is Missing" this looks more and more likely. Although it's turned into more of an "Earth has been violating galactic laws it signed a treaty to uphold". Grandpa Max straight-out tells General Rosem that there will be consequences for his actions.
- Will Harangue will be involved in this.
- Unlikely for Rath, considering that he only exists as a form of Ben's. Chromastone would make a decent choice on Sixth Ranger status, though.
- One's a water-pumping crab man, one's a Martial Pacifist flying turtle that can Blow You Away, one's a simple-minded giant armored armadillo, one's an Electric Jellyfish that reads minds, one's a grouchy Russian(?) Energy Being in a metal suit and they're led by a crystalline Flying Brick. Together, they fight crime!
- It probably also gives him an version at peak physical condition, since that isn't even related to DNA and as such is probably synthesized. Ben's aliens probably are to the average members of their species what an Olympic athlete or Captain America is to the average human- ludicrously better than them at everything, but something they could achieve given a lifetime of training.
- So do that mean Eunice represents the best of Human DNA? or at the very least the best of Human/Mana Alien (what was the name?) hybrids. Is copying the traits of animals an innate human (or hybrid trait) all can learn or some quirk of the Unitrix trying to scan other forms?
- The copying is almost certainly an artifact of Unice being the Unitrix. But yeah, she's the apex of what can be made from the genes found in Gwen Tennyson. That is to say, extreme magical potential; given the source, it probably maximized her mana and innate abilities with magic in much the same way that it would maximize a necrofrigian's intangibility stamina and freeze breath lung capacity.
- Except Anodites officially don't have any DNA. As illogical as it is, apparently there's no Anodite DNA to copy, and Eunice must be all human.
- Nevertheless, her magic capacity is probably what it emphasized in perfecting her. Remember: humans suck at everything. The only species smaller, weaker, and slower than us that doesn't have some massive superpower is the Galvans, who are superintelligent. We only catch up by using technology that anything shaped like us can use. What ability have humans demonstrated that's unique to us? Magic. We seem to be even better than Annodites- they exceed us in mana capacity, but human mages display waaay more variation in what they can do with their spells indicating better fine control; judging from Gwen and Verdona, Annodites do more "throw balls of mana around shaped loosely like what you want it to do" than "alter reality" like human mages. As such, it can only be concluded that the human superpower is magic use, and like every other species, it'll focus on enhancing that superpower plus good athletic condition, the latter of which isn't really visible given that Gwen is also athletic.
- The copying is almost certainly an artifact of Unice being the Unitrix. But yeah, she's the apex of what can be made from the genes found in Gwen Tennyson. That is to say, extreme magical potential; given the source, it probably maximized her mana and innate abilities with magic in much the same way that it would maximize a necrofrigian's intangibility stamina and freeze breath lung capacity.
- As far as I remember they only appeared, in Null Void, so they're more possibly some primitive barbarian species.
- Your thinking of something else, the rogue Plumber in Ben 10 used a pair as attack dogs, their the orange canid aliens. That also doesn't change the fact that the Omni/Ultimatrix consider them evolved enough to stand next to Diamondhead and Swampfire.
- Rogue Plumer?...Phil? From "Truth" episode? He freed them from Null Void using Void projector. Max even commented that Plumbers already captured all Vulpimancers.
- That doesn't mean their native to the Null Void, and "captured all the vulpamancers" still doesn't counter the argument their Sentient species according to Primus/Unimatrix
- Your thinking of something else, the rogue Plumber in Ben 10 used a pair as attack dogs, their the orange canid aliens. That also doesn't change the fact that the Omni/Ultimatrix consider them evolved enough to stand next to Diamondhead and Swampfire.
- Partially Jossed, the Ken 10 universe is just an alternate reality. So Kevin staying good wouldn't affect their timeline.
- They'll come from another Cross-timeline.
- Another reason is to prevent her from transforming into her Anodite form.
- For the sake of awesomeness throw in kid Gwen, future Gwen, Gwen 10 version, original Gwen concept (just a classmate instead of cousin). Then throw in kid Kevin, Kevin 11000, alternate reality Kevin, and alternate concept Kevin.
- Crisis in Infinite Bellwoods!
- Confirmed that Ben 10,000 is appearing in an upcoming episode, though its an alternate one who came to fight Eon.
- No, the first Ben 10, 000 is from an alternate universe, while this one is the one from current Ben's future.
- Isn't Ben Eon so Ben 10k vs Eon is...Ben Vs Ben...with the help of Ben?
- And Eon's minions were alternate universe versions of Ben that he enslaved.
- Okay, someone needs to link me to whatever it is that says Ben could've had a female super hero transformation. xD
- well Big Chill does lay eggs...
- The Gwen 10 universe has been confirmed to be an alternate universe, along with a large number of other ones.
- Perhaps Gwen 10's version of Ben is Eon? Considering not only did Gwen(then Max) got the Omnitrix, Gwen gets superpowers then turns into an Anodite, chances are Ben could have gotten jealous and turned evil somehow...idk, I lost my train of though half-way through this sentence.
- Eon will return as the Big Bad. Or so we'll be led to believe as there's a Man Behind the Man that's really pulling the strings.
- I take this as my canon!
- What? That makes no sense! However you're connecting these, I'm not seeing it. The Diamondheads lose their "Chromostone clothes"? What? Then, the Diamondheads can create clones...what? First of all, Diamondhead didn't have the blue clothes in the original series. The Omnitrix shaped Ben's clothes to fit them. Second, the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix can change the clothes of the aliens the wearer turns into, whether the user presets the clothes, the devices choose the clothes, or it's random. Hence why Ben transforms back into his normal clothes for a good chunk of the series, even if he was wearing something else when he transformed. Third, Diamondheads can't create clones. How in the ever-loving Hell did you come to this? The Echo Echos are separate from the Diamondheads, why would you think they're connected?
- Thats what I always thought. Popular guess is that Gwen interference must changed future. All episodes from Ben 10 classic go normal (and some guess that Goodbye and Good Riddance is canon) and then something changes. By the way, that means that Gwen saved Kevin by herself from terrible fate.
- Somewhat confirmed. The AU Ben 10,000 is appearing in the series coming soon and has the Ultimatrix instead of the Omnitrix.
- Jossed, the Ben 10, 000 we see is different from the last one. The original Ben 10, 000 is from an alternate universe.
- Jossed before this WMG was even posted. They're on the second season right now, and at Cartoon Network's upfronts they confirmed a third season, followed by a fourth series.
- Thats depends on what they're counting as third season. I meant season one as first 20 episodes, while officially season one end on episode 10 "Ultimate Aggregor". Also Ultimatrix-Omnitrix theory may still work out. After all why would they call series "Ultimate Alien" without Ultimatrix?
- No, it doesn't. If they count the current season as the third season, then the new season they greenlit would be the fourth. If they count the current season as the second, then the new season they announced at the upfronts would be the third. Either way, more than two seasons.
- Thats depends on what they're counting as third season. I meant season one as first 20 episodes, while officially season one end on episode 10 "Ultimate Aggregor". Also Ultimatrix-Omnitrix theory may still work out. After all why would they call series "Ultimate Alien" without Ultimatrix?
- Confirmed! Ben 10,000 has access to all of his alien's powers in human form by using Ultimate Human form.
- Here's an alternative possibility, Natalie is an Anodite from a opposite side of a cultural evolutionary break much like the Vulcans and Romulans. Just that her side is the lade back non-jerkass version.
- That's probably why Verdona doesn't seem to like Natalie. And doesn't take kinda at Natalie's opinion of not wanting Gwen to be "like her".
- This Eon saying "that wasn't me" implying that Ben 10k fought another one
- But when, since 10k remembers the fight with the Past shunted Eon logically that would be the one he remembers, unless there is ANOTHER EON between current Ben and 10k Ben, meaning Our Ben has another Eon to fight, which is a giant headache. Damn Cross time.
- I see it that way: Race against Time is a in alternative reality like what if-episodes. Our Ben 10 first met Eon in "Ben 10,000 returns" episode, who turns out to be from alternative universe. Later, in future he fought Eon from his timeline and some time later he met mentioned before Eon from alternative timeline. He probably thought it was his Eon, until he said "That wasn't me". Is that makes things clear?
- Even simpler explanation: Eon was wrong when he said he was a different one. He knew he was from an alternate dimension and this was the first fight with the Ben of this dimension that he knew of, so when Ben mentioned having fought him before he assumed Ben was talking about a different Eon.
- Doubt it. 1) Where is real Eon? 2)Ben 10,000 asked "Why are you doing this, Eon? When we fought before... " which suggest he fought other Eon.
- This isn't so much a WMG as it a simple fact. We know that Ben 10k has figured out the master controls. He probably has a few more than that actually, at the very least he's got the five from the Andromeda Galaxy and he may have more than that.
- He had no friends before the first series and he was bullied, when he gets the Omnitrix he acts like a jerk to handle the implications, when he finally accepts it, Max's alien friend comes and tells him it was meant for Max, thus making him feel less special. He takes it off because he can't handle it any more and, by AF, Gwen was his only friend and their greeting made it seem like they hadn't seen each other for months, if not years. He gets intense when something bad happens to Max, not just because he loves his grandpa, but because he feels like he lost his sense of control and order in his life. In UA, he is way more than willing to kill Kevin than the Silver Age characters he was inspired by. This one has been answered by the show itself, but it definitely proves he's a more tormented person than he looks.
- The blond-haired squire might return to help Ben and his team.
- As of "The Purge", the four most powerful Forever Knight leaders (Driscoll, Enoch, Patrick, and Urian) are forced to swear fealty to Old George, the original Forever Knight. This makes this WMG less likely, but not impossible, particularly if one or more of them decides to go Starscream against him.
Ben will be in his mid-twenties or so and mentoring a younger hero who reminds him of his younger self... and all the trouble that he brought with him. As a Casting Gag the new hero will be a girl voiced by Tara Strong. Gwen and Kevin will be married with a kid and retired from active duty to play supporting roles. Julie will still be with Ben and much drama will be made about whether Ben will propose. The Big Bad will be a new character with ties to the young hero and powerful enough to give the much more experienced Ben a good fight (Ben hasn't gone Ultimate Ben yet), but can only be defeated by his apprentice. TO sum it up: Ben as the mentor and a single parent/guardian to a kid that drives him insane while slowly burrowing into his heart. Expect a Precocious Crush to show up.
- It turns out that Ben 10: Omniverse has Ben traveling back in time to help his ten-year-old self, so it's almost an inversion.
- Young Kevin in those episodes also looked different.
- No, that's just the art style. The four first Ben 10 series are all part of the same continuity.
- A whole bunch of Omnitrix prototypes, mods and bootlegs have to be recovered, but being Clingy MacGuffins they wind up in the hands of a new generation of heroes, allowing Ben to spread his multiple forms among them. The show will then be known as Ben's Ten.
- Ben sticks with the original 10 since those turn out to be read-only data
- Eunice returns when the Unitrix bodyjacks another girl, and gets all the animal- and nature-based forms, Spidermonkey, Terraspin, Swampfire, Brainstorm
- An Affirmative Action Girl gets the Acceletrix (times out and recharges three times faster, but picks at random due to working like a slot machine) with Fasttrack, Arctiguana, Wildvine, Water Hazard
- JT's cousin and Fiery Redhead Anti-Hero wannabe (ie. the new Lancer) gets the Militrix (developed for war, simplified but durable enough to pummel with) with Benwolf, Diamondhead, Rath, Snakepit
- The Smart Guy gets the Digitrix (improved AI system that always dials correctly) with Nanomech, Benviktor, NRG, Lodestar, Ditto but the AI taking over develops into a new, unstable form
- The Big Guy gets the Megatrix (increased buffer space for growing into larger aliens) with Humungosaur, Upchuck, Armordrillo, Cannonbolt
- Cash's brother and creepy Goth guy gets the Negatrix (basically the Mac to Omnitrix's PC) with Benmummy, Eye Guy, Chromastone, Chemalien, Clockwork
- Kevin's cousin Melvin, the resident stoner and co-Lancer gets the Egotrix (designed to change at will by syncing with the user's brainwaves) with Jetray, Goop, Toepick, Spittor
- The kid of the team gets the Decatrix (a 10-form-only Omnitrix prototype) with Echo Echo, Buzzshock, Sandbox, Way Big, Eatle
- And the third girl of the team (the Sour to Eunice's Sweet and second girl's Spicy) gets the Inhibitrix (designed to nerf the potentially unstable aliens) with Big Chill, Amfibian, Osmosean, Alien X, Eon - turns out Scary Dogmatic Aliens developed this Omnitrix with the intention of using it as a prison
- All the new kids have room for more aliens, freeing up the possibility of new forms, but the end of the series will have all of them turn in their badges and upload all data to the Ben 10,000 Omnitrix.
- Azmuth returns, touting a new perfected upgrade ring that re-enables all Ultimate forms - but its use means that the new kids must sacrifice their freedom as they return to Galvan Prime to act as test subjects
- An important part of their training regime involves calling out the alien names.
- Confirmed during the Omniverse "Galactic Monsters" arc.
Follow Up: The omnitrix doesn't store DNA it stores a beacon that connects it to the home world that also doesn't store DNA, but instead a Copy of the DNA. It's written out as a code, and sent to Galvan Prime, the Omnitrix is a remote control, or pager, phone of some sort.
- or Fridge Brilliance: The Omnitrix locked out human because what's the point of turning into yourself? By the same token if Azmuth excluded some races, but Vulpamancers/Wildmutt are considered good enough, and other races use them as pets...what kind of races did he exclude!
- He will make appearances on other Cartoon Network shows like Adventure Time and The Amazing World of Gumball, maybe even bringing Ben along for the ride.
- Possible Fridge Brilliance: Cooper suddenly becoming buff and muscular? He used his powers to control the nanites.
- Not only a war between the Plumbers and the Forever Knights, but also the Flame Keeper cult and the U.S. Government (which includes General Rosem and Will Harangue). Harangue will hold Ben responsible for the entire war, causing the public to turn against him.
- Alternatively, he might be an amnesiac Anodite /any shapeshifting immortal alien who was Mode Locked into human form. Diagon will defeat him by revealing George's true form to make him realize that he is what he hates.
Cooper is hopelessly infatuated with Gwen and Eunice, well, let's be honest, she pretty much is a Gwen of sorts. Cooper will lament to Ben that he'll never meet another girl like his cousin... cue Eunice walking into the room and complimenting Cooper's inventions and making recommendations. As the two walk away Ben will proclaim that his work here is done, only for Kevin to point out he didn't really do anything.
- Other primates, such as chimps, gorillas, or even lemurs.
- Elephants.
- Dogs.
- Crows or parrots.
- Mice
- Whales seem like an obvious choice.
alt. Rex and his team will open up some sort of trans-dimensional portal (possibly by reuniting with Breach) to meet Ben in his world, or pull Ben to his world, where Ben will be confused about, "What is alien? & What is EVO?"
- Either way, the number of possibilities on how the two shows will be mixed is limitless. I'd value some alternatives.
- I was under the impression that plumbers stopped worlds from getting technology levels they hadn't yet developed themselves, so no letting aliens bring in tech levels that earth hadn't made on it's own, but they wouldn't stop earth from developing it's own tech.
- Possibly, but Alpha is just one nanite, the rest of his body was made up of other nanites.
- Maybe an Alpha equivalent is Ultimate Nano Mech
- Except, we were shown way back in Alien Force that such a thing is far from the case. Planet Primus' Codon Stream is the single source, and the matrix cores, no matter what shell they're encased in, are just receivers.
- Thank the Gods I'm not the only one. Personal theory has always been that they had a 'thing', Argit was an abusive ass, Kevin left but was too screwed up to admit that it wasn't just that they couldn't work out, but that Argit didn't give a rat's patootie about him. Also explains why Argit could get away with betraying him and get a glower, but after 'Andreas' Fault' Kevin wants him dead. Finally realized just how little he meant to the guy. WMG: Kevin didn't want Argit dead for not caring about and endangering Andreas so much as was using it as an excuse for killing him for doing so with *him*.
However in Ultimate Alien, on at least two occasions it is referenced that the Ultimatrix time limit is shortened by additional transformations or going Ultimate, something that makes sense as a battery issue but not from a limiter.
The logical explanation therefore is that when Albedo stole the Ultimatrix, it's power core was incomplete, and his substitute does not afford him, and later Ben, the same power as the power core in the Omnitrix.