Wild Mass Guessing about the rest of the series
The robes that the Fey spirit mediums wear are made of a special high-elasticity fabric
Bear with me here. A constant question amongst fans is how the hell Mia stays decent in Pearl's tiny little robe when the latter is channelling her, considering how she barely manages with Maya. Well, here's why: we know that through the Kurain Channelling Technique, the spirit medium's body morphs into that of the person they're channelling. This is an ancient technique, so this fact is very well known. Obviously, the robes the Fey clan spirit mediums wear are made of a highly elastic fabric to fit the body of those they channel. Plus, the degree of elasticity varies according to who wears each set: for Pearl, since she's young/little but very powerful she gets a super stretchy set. Maya, still in training and a lot older/taller, not so much.
- In that case, how do you explain the fact that Maya channels Mia during Case 3-3, while wearing a waitress uniform rather than her normal robes? Well, maybe the waitress uniform is super elastic as well, making it an exception.
- Well, that's a no-brainer; Maya didn't exactly fill out the costume by herself. It's made for a more buxom and probably older woman. No elasticity needed if there's already room.
Maya Fey will only remain Master of Kurain until Pearl has completed her training.
That's why she's absent in Apollo Justice
– and might be in Dual Destinies
. Knowing how much more naturally gifted and mature Pearly is, Maya will remain in Kurain as Master while she trains, growing to be very talented in her own right. Then, when Pearl is ready, she'll give her the seat as Master and go back to work at Phoenix's law firm/talent agency as a freelance spirit medium. I don't care that this is all baseless conjecture and I have no evidence to support my claim, Your Honour! This is my official headcanon! If only because I'm on Pearl's side when it comes to the OTP... ah ha ha...
- That can't be right! Maya is the natural successor over Pearl, that's why Morgan helped frame her for murder in JFA Case 2, so that Pearl could become the master!
- OBJECTION! So what? We know that Mia was supposed to succeed her mother as Master (before she died, that is) but she left the mountain to become a lawyer, effectively abdicating her right to the title. It's even implied that she knew doing so would deny her any right to power within Kurain, but did so that she and her sister would never be rivals like she saw between her mother and her aunt Morgan. Ergo, Maya could do the exact same thing. *bows* That is all.
- But Mia did so before becoming the Master. There is no evidence suggesting that the current Master can just up and abdicate the position.
- A fair point, but there's no evidence suggesting that they can't, either. Besides which, it's never mentioned whether Maya ever actually became the Master or not - just assumed by the fanbase, since that seemed like the logical conclusion to explain her absence.
- OBJECTION! If the Master could abdicate, Misty would have abdicated the title to her sister or oldest daughter, instead of just going into hiding and leaving everything in shambles and without the Master. Yet she doesn't. Since the Master lineage is outright stated to go down through the Main Family unless there are none left (hence why Morgan tried to have Maya murdered or found guilty of premeditated murder), it's not just the fandom's assumption that she inherited the title, there's strong evidence in the games that suggests it. Mia says that part of why she left was so that there wouldn't be a conflict between herself and Maya over the title like there was between her mother and her aunt. It appears that a candidate can step down from the running, as long as there is a Master already. Further, the Master must carry that trinket around until they die. Another clue that they can't just abdicate, but automatically inherit it. If they could abdicate, you'd think they'd say "or until they pass on the title". Master of Kurain seems to be a title held until death, and is passed on posthumously to whoever in the Main Family has the stronger spiritual powers (which is how Misty usurped Morgan). Further still, why would Morgan outright try and kill Maya if Maya could just decide she doesn't want to be the Master? Why not just convince her she doesn't want to be the Master? Why not just make her life hell instead of going to such extremes? Because there was no other way for Pearls to inherit the title unless Maya was dead. By the time Pearl was old enough to take the role of the Master, should Maya have been convicted for Turner Grey's murder, Maya would have been executed.
- HOLD IT! You're making an unwarranted assumption. You're assuming the choice is between voluntarily stepping down or being killed. But the incident with Morgan and Misty shows a third option: the most powerful channeller can challenge the current heir. This explains why Pearl was put through such gruelling training, while Maya was left mostly to herself.
- The way this WMG works, Morgan was okay with just letting Pearl be stronger and win, but Maya's powers suddenly kick in in the first game, even though she isn't currently training. Then she comes back and shows a willingness to train that she'd never had before. Morgan starts getting worried that maybe Maya is more powerful than Pearl and could win. And then this opportunity falls into her lap where she could get rid of Maya forever, eliminating any fear of the problem.
- So it's still perfectly possible that Pearl could challenge Maya and become the master. We know she can before Maya becomes the Master, and it's possible that she can afterwards. Maya may not be able to abdicate, but that doesn't mean she gets to be Master if her family has a more powerful channeller who is willing to do the job.
- OBJECTION! You're forgetting that before Misty became the Master, Morgan was also part of the Main Family. Ergo, Morgan and Misty were the daughters of the Master of Kurain at the time. Now, Misty inherited the title when her mother died because she had the superior skills, thus she kept the Main Family rights, where Morgan was shunted to the most immediate Branch Family because her powers were weaker. You are correct, I concede that point. However, the prosecution maintains that the title can only be passed on upon the death of the Master. *taps forehead smartly* Misty Fey then had two daughters, both of whom were then part of the Main Family and both of whom are implied to have great skill. Had both Mia and Maya stayed, the title would have gone to whichever daughter was the most powerful, just like it did with Morgan and Misty. However, Mia stopped training while her sister did not, making Maya the more powerful one between them by default. She less stepped down, as the person above your claim states, as she did effectively ensure she was a lesser candidate. The title of Master, we know from the testimony of Morgan Fey, passes through the Main Family to the most powerful Spirit Medium in the Main Family, continuing with the fact that the title can only be passed through the Main Family and not to the Branch Family. The only way for the title to go to a member of the Branch Family is if there is nobody left in the Main Family for the title to go to, hence why Morgan tries so hard to kill Maya. That is, the title can't go to a son of the current Master or to a daughter of the current Master with no spiritual powers, even if they're the only ones left in the Main Family. Had Mia not died in Case 1-2 and Maya actually died at some point, Mia would have inherited the title when her mother died because she'd be the most powerful Spirit Medium in the Main Family, even though she stopped training. Because Mia would still be alive, there'd still be a member of the Main Family for the title go to to. The title cannot go to Pearl unless everyone in the Main Family and her mother are dead or no longer able to take the title. *shrug, shakes head* Had Morgan's plan actually worked in Case 2-2 (and Mia died in case 1-2 as she does), on Misty or Maya's death, whichever came second, Morgan would have gotten the title. This is because Morgan would have been the next in line after Misty if Misty never had any daughters or at least daughters with with any power and would be the first member of the Main Family. After Morgan died, Pearl would get the title over Iris, even though Iris is her older sister as Iris has no powers. *folds arms in thought and taps finger against arm* (I think that makes sense... should I draw a diagram?)
- Also, Maya's powers are superior to Pearl's; they have been ever since Case 2-4. That's why Maya was able to call Mia's spirit away (meaning a spirit can be called away) yet why Pearl wasn't able to call away Dahlia's in Case 3-5. Maya has the superior powers, so no matter how you look at it, Pearl cannot inherit the Master throne with Maya around.
- You seem to be forgetting that Maya is nearly 10 years older than Pearl. Think of it the other way around: Pearl is already very strong despite her much younger age. Therefore, if you compared Maya's powers with how Pearl's powers would be when she's the same age, Pearl would actually be stronger.
- We never learn how strong Maya was when she was little. She's always had pretty crippling self-confidence issues, so she may have been stronger than Pearl, but just couldn't access it because of her issues with herself.
- The entire WMG is running on the assumption that Pearl even wants to be the Master of the Kurain Technique. She seems content with just being a Spirit Medium.
Damon Gant's ultimate goal was to bring down Quercus Alba's smuggling ring
Consider this entire entry to be one giant spoiler, otherwise I'd have to spoiler just about every other sentence.
The last thing Damon Gant says to Edgeworth at the end of 1-5 is this: "You despise criminals. I can feel it. You and I...we're the same. One day you'll understand. If you want to take them on alone...you'll figure out what's needed". This quote seems rather out of place if we assume Gant's motives were as purely selfish as he claims. So what could he mean by this? Consider the following:
- It's never really explained what Gant's motive was for doing all the things he did. We know he wanted to control both the Police Department and Prosecutor's Office, but to what end? It's unlikely that he was simply hungry for power for power's sake. He seems relatively sane, and certainly knows how to enjoy the simple things in life (swimming, anyone?). He was already in line to become the next Police Chief, so he went to all that risk just so he could control the Prosecutor's Office as well. This wouldn't serve any "purely selfish" goal such as fame, wealth, or glory. All it would give him is some behind-the-scenes influence over the outcomes of investigations and trials. Why would anyone care at all, let alone care so much as to commit murder and blackmail?
- Gant seems to have a burning hatred of crime, as much as Edgeworth does. This is shown in his final quote to Edgeworth (above) as well as an earlier line: "Tough on crime and tough on people. That's how I was raised". This might explain his desperate desire to control the Prosecutor's Office. If he had that much power over investigations and court proceedings, he could ensure that no criminal, no matter how slippery, would ever escape justice. Gant seemed to realize that some criminals could evade the current justice system. If a criminal enterprise could exert control over the justice system—say, by planting spies in the Prosecutor's Office (Jaques Portsman) and as defense attorneys (Calisto Yew)—the only way to bring that crime ring down would be to have even MORE control over the justice system than they did.
- There's a couple of parallels between Rise from the Ashes and the Investigations story arc. There's a general theme of "the limitations of the law" running through both. In Rise from the Ashes, Lana makes a comment about "doing what we had to do to get Darke the sentence he deserved". Lana and Gant (and Edgeworth, to a lesser extent) felt that the "law" was too limited in its ability to bring certain dangerous men to justice, hence the need to fabricate evidence. This shows up in Investigations when we learn the truth about the Yatagarasu: Faraday and Badd had decided that the power of the law to bring about justice was too limited, and formed the Yatagarasu to work outside the bounds of the law, as that was the only way they could defeat Alba's crime ring. Also, in both cases, the villain is ultimately defeated by an illegally obtained piece of evidence: the patch of leather to Damon Gant, and the "trump card" to Quercus Alba. In both cases our heroes question whether is it "right" to use this evidence. Finally, this final confrontation in Investigations is foreshadowed by Gant's quote to Edgeworth: "One day you'll understand. If you want to take them on alone...you'll figure out what's needed". And we see that this troubles Edgeworth—he later says to Phoenix that given a few more years, he might have tried to do what Gant did. And what happens? A few years later, Edgeworth is forced to use illegally obtained pieces of evidence...in order to get Alba the sentence he deserved.
- When Gant is defeated and forced to confess to everything, his dialogue and body language seem to indicate that he's almost...relieved that Wright figured everything out. As if he didn't really want to do what he did but felt he 'had'' to. Or as if Wright's ability to figure him out eased some doubt in his mind about the capabilities of the justice system.
Here's what I think happened: Gant was wronged by Alba's smuggling ring somehow. Maybe Alba had a family member killed. For whatever reason, he wanted to bring them down at all costs. But he knew the current justice system couldn't do it. He knew that the ring had control over the courts and that the man in charge was a man the law couldn't touch. The only way he could think of to defeat the smuggling ring, was to have even more power and control over the justice system than they did. With control of both the Police Department and Prosecutor's Office, he would have more influence over the outcome of trials than any of the smuggling ring's spies. He could make sure every ring member got the sentence they deserved, and he could make sure they would all eventually testify against the ringleader.
This explains Gant's words to Edgeworth, gives him a sensible motive, and most importantly, makes him a Well-Intentioned Extremist
- Yeah, your theory actually very well fits. And now with a recently translated AAI 2, we may apply it to it as well. There are a couple of similarities between the ending of AAI and 4 case of AAI 2. For example, in both we need to bring down the mighty person with high position, who surpasses law, and we can do basically nothing to achieve it. In both cases Edgeworth does things which he first doubts in, but in the end decides to do them anyway, because he thinks that it is right, in AAI 2 he put away his badge, and later lied about his status as a prosecutor to let him make investigations. Gant's quote "What are you doing in court? You despise criminals. I can feel it." may indicate exactly this. Being in court gave Edgeworth nothing to bring down Bansai, so he put away his badge to be able to bring him down. What speaks even more about it is that in the end of the game Edgeworth learned, that the whole reason why he was able to bring down Bansai in the first place was because Souta Sarushiro let him do it, and not only let, but forced him to investigate the area by bringing Kay to the roof of the Grand Tower, in advance writing a fake letter to Bansai, to force him to kill Tsubasa Kagome. So this was possible to accomplish only by using illegal means... There wasn't any other way to do it. This also exactly follows the second half of Gant's quote "One day you'll understand. If you want to take them on alone...you'll figure out what's needed" - he wasn't able to bring Bansai down alone in the end, it was with Souta's support, because Edgeworth actually didn't do what Gant hinted him to do, he didn't use forged evidence or illegal evidence, so he couldn't bring down Bansai without it alone. He managed to do it only with Souta using illegal means and writing the fake letters. In the end we even learn that Bansai actually had all kind of evidence in his room, including the ones which originally belonged to Smuggling Ring, including the Alif Red statue which mysteriously disappered in the 2 case of AAI and thought to be in Smuggling Ring's possession, but it wasn't, it was in Bansai's possession, which speaks a lot about his real relation to Smuggling Ring. Notice that even after both its leader and co-leader were brought down, Smuggling Ring was still active, so we can assume that Bansai knowing about them covered up for them the whole time, and didn't stop to do it even after Alba was sent to jail, because it was well profitable for him. And Gant could know about it and could probably have wanted to bring both of them down, knowing about their relations. Notice that the first thing which Gant did when he became Chief of Police - gave Lana Skye a postion of Chief Prosecutor - the exactly same position as Bansai had. He couldn't do it when Bansai was a Chief Prosecutor, but as soon as he got a promotion, he put his plan in action. He couldn't bring down Smuggling Ring as long as Bansai covered them up, so he did everything to faster become Chief of Police and to give Lana Skye the same position as Bansai had, to be able to find leads, and uncover the truth and send Bansai, and later Smuggling Ring, as well, to the prison. So in the end I think that Gant wanted to bring down both of them, but he couldn't bring down Smuggling Ring without bringing down Bansai first. This also explains why all persons who knew something about Smuggling Ring suddenly died - just as Bansai said in an actual game - he made them disappear, to ensure that nothing happened, that could reveal the real identity of the head of Smuggling Ring and connection of other people to it. It also explains how such guys as Jackues Portman and most likely Calisto Yew as well could become respectively prosecutor and defence attorney, given that both of them were spies, and Calisto Yew didn't even use her real name when received a defence attorney badge.
Since Hyper Awareness
runs in Apollo's family, that explains Shawn's ability to detect evidence
- OBJECTION! Shawn's Hyper Awareness comes from the extensive training his dad put him through.
- HOLD IT! Perhaps Shawn had the Hyper Awareness before the training, and his dad trained merely to improve the ability.
Joe Darke is Cody Hackins' father.
Well, the ages do match up. And before you say that Cody said his dad was alive and took him to the Steel Samurai Convention... Joe Darke was jailed when he was 5 years old, so his mother may have married another man, and Cody may be referring to his new father, although there is no evidence to support this claim.
Phoenix actually is part spirit medium.
This explains why is is able to hear Mia, even though he hasn't trained in Kurain or elsewhere.
- OBJECTION! Acording to T&T, only women can become spirit mediums!
- TAKE THAT! The original poster never claimed that Phoenix was a spirit medium, just that he could be part spirit medium! He could still be male with spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, allowing him to use the Magatama, and see/hear Mia without her being channeled.
- OBJECTION! You mentioned that he needs spirit medium blood to use the magatama, but Edgeworth uses it at one point!
- Gah! ...How did they...? Very well, I concede that point. However, that still doesn't explain why Phoenix can see Mia without being a spirit medium, unless he is part (and only part) spirit medium!
- HOLD IT! To quote a separate (but related) WMG, if Misty Fey is in fact Miles Edgeworth's mother, it would explain Miles' ability to use the Magatama despite his fervent disbelief in it and his lack of guidance by someone who knew how to use it. Thus, there is no contradiction!
- OBJECTION! T&T says that only women can possess spiritual power, which means that he can't even be part spirit medium!
- OBJECTION! Saying that "only women can possess spiritual power" and that "Phoenix could be part spirit medium" are not mutually exclusive! Let's say that a spirit medium gives birth to a son. That son (though not possessing any sort of "power") would still be part spirit medium, correct? The WMG is saying that perhaps Phoenix has the blood of a Kurain medium flowing through his veins, giving him the brief ability to see Mai at the end of PW:AA. (This could work especially well if you take into account the fact that many legends of ghosts include those who haunt the living to bring those who wronged them to justice.) Phoenix is not a spirit medium, we accept that fact as true. But, if he has spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, and (maybe) Mia stuck around to bring her murderer to justice, it's possible that the two coupled together allowed Phoenix to see Mia without anyone else summoning her.
- OBJECTION! Ha...! In the bleak darkness of despair, we all see shadows of those we hold closest. If you insist that this glimmer of yearning was something more, then let's see some evidence!
- Um... Please forgive me, but I do not have evidence, merely a question. If all it was was Phoenix seeing her because it was the "bleak darkness of despair", then why is it that Godot is able to see (or, at the very least, sense her) at the end of PW:T&T Case 4? Is he having a shared hallucination with Phoenix? Or is it possible that Phoenix, being part spirit medium, was maybe able to "channel" (sorry, I couldn't think of a better word for it, yes I know that it's not channelling) her spirit enough to touch the heart of Godot?
- Phoenix never saw her in that instance, or heard her, or otherwise sensed her. This troper takes it as Godot seeing a bit of Mia in Phoenix's undying struggle towards the truth, seeing that Mia "is living on in him." This is supported by the fact that the thing that made Godot drawn to her in the first place was her belief in her clients to the bitter end. Also, Godot had demanded that Mia stay out of that particular court battle, insisting that Phoenix man up and battle alone. Plus, Mia's spirit was still residing in Pearls's body at that time.
- Witness Testimony I think Mia is just too awesome to be stopped by something as puny as death. Phoenix is just lucky she likes him enough to bail him out again and again. You may now cross-examine this statement.
- HOLD IT! Sorry, can I ask you to define what you mean by "awesome"? The only awesome thing this troper can recall is the extremely satisfying Humiliation Conga she gave to Dahlia in 3-5.
- In regards to the statements that only women can be Spirit Mediums, allow me to say that Pearl asked Phoenix if he studied some different technique when they first met (of course, she was very confused at what exactly a Lawyer Medium could do), possibly suggesting that there are other ways of channelling spirits besides the Kurain way.
- The above statement is extremely likely. In 2-2, Pearl indeed mentions that. Phoenix could be part spirit medium, just not part Kurain spirit medium.
- TAKE THAT! During the credits of 3-5, Pearl reveals Phoenix goes through the 'Special Course' at Hazakura with Maya. He really has no reason to, unless he just wanted to sit with Maya, chanting the same thing 30,000 times.
- OBJECTION! Your Honor, the prosecutions claims all rest on an extremely objectionable assumption: namely, that it is necessary to be related to spirit mediums to see the people they channel! This is clearly contradicted in "Turnabout Samurai", in which several characters notice that Maya/Mia is not the same person they saw before. The only reason that they weren't sure is that they didn't know Maya well, but they could still clearly see Mia's face. Mr. Kudo in Recipe for a Turnabout also sees her, and gets uber turned on. Also, when Turner Grey wants Maya to channel Mimi Miney for him,neither of them questions the fact that he will be able to communicate with them.
- TAKE THAT! In the Turner Grey case, Franziska presents to the court a picture of Maya Fey possessed by Mia, conversing with Phoenix, to show the body changing properties of the Kurain Channeling Technique! Also, in the same game, Franziska actually does refer to Mia (she says something along the lines of "Nice to see you in good 'spirits', Ms. Fey.")!
Okay, okay, HOLD IT!
Having looked at all the evidence and witness testimony in this case, this troper would like to join the fray with several workable possibilities, Your Honour!
- Point one: Phoenix is part spirit medium (i.e. has spirit medium blood running through his veins). This allows him to see and/or hear Mia at various points during the games.
- Let's say the spirit medium family he is descended from was the Fey clan. In this case, whilst it has been said that men do not inherit spiritual power, this troper appears to recall that Maya mentioned during 1-2 that the sensitivity to the spiritual realm ran 'particularly strong with the women' – which does not exclude the men from being able to utilize their Fey blood during particularly desperate moments, similar to how humans are capable of amazing feats when adrenaline kicks in.
- Another possibility: the spirit medium family Phoenix belongs to was not the Fey clan, in which case all rules about the inheritance of spiritual power get thrown out the window, as we don't know if the rules for different bloodlines differ. His lack of ability in summoning spirits or hearing voices more often can be easily Hand Waved as a lack of training or simply that his family's powers are not as strong as the Feys'.
- Point two: Phoenix's spirit medium blood give him the ability to use the magatama. The main objection to this is that Edgeworth uses the magatama at one point.
- Spiritual power may not have anything to do with using the magatama in the first place.
- If it does, well then, maybe Edgeworth has spirit medium blood too. After all, his mother is never mentioned in canon. Who is to say he isn't descended from a cousin of the Feys or another spirit medium family? His spiritual ability may even manifest itself into a different ability – such as Logic Chess?
- Also relates back to another WMG theory below where Misty Fey is Edgeworth's mother (and, following that line of logic, Gregory is Mia and Maya's father. It would certainly explain where the former gets her mad defence attorney skills from).
*deskslam* With this evidence, the WMG theory is plausible! *bows* That is all, Your Honour.
Policeman turned lawyer turned Private Eye 'Richard Moore' was Phoenix in between PW 3 and AJ. They both have a terrible curse of dead bodies being everywhere they go. Phoenix has always looked up to lawyers; his ex-wife is thus a lawyer. Both have basic knowledge of crime scenes, but can be pretty incompetent. They both need someone to walk them through it or just solve the case for them (Conan, Mia/Maya/any Fey). Phoenix is shown to have an interest in poker and gambling. All that 'grape juice' really is beer, as we know Richard Moore loves, but he's grown a tolerance to it. Both are world-famous, but after the disbarring, no one brought up his lawyer days out of consideration/fear. He couldn't get a case in his beginning days as a PI because of his reputation as a lawyer. After he 'solved a few cases' however, people began to overlook it. Hobo!Phoenix is Phoenix/Richard after PI-ing also fails for him, since he already failed at being a policeman and lawyer. Rachel lived with her mom up until Phoenix enters his Richard stage of life, then she moves back with her mom by AJ (likely due to bad parenting). Hobo!Phoenix really adopted Trucy much later (he was having a friend take care of her), because he missed Rachel once she went back to living with her mom.
- He also lost the spikes because he didn't want people to recognize him, though he eventually opted for Trucy's knit beanie. He began smoking because he was so jaded. The Phoenix shown in the flashback case (4-4) seemed awfully cocky. After being disbarred, out of shock, this facet of his personality grew worse and worse until it became Richard Moore's personality. By AJ, he's mellowed and cleaned up his act, but he's still more like Richard than his old Phoenix self.
The Judge was a Prosecutor in his youth.
Think about it. His Favoritism
towards the Prosecutors is blatantly obvious. He allows Franziska to physically assault people, Godot gets no reprimand for throwing scalding hot coffee at the defense and even when there's rock solid evidence that the defendent is innocent he still refuses to declare them not guilty until the real murderer is found. And even then he gladly accepts whatever straws the real murderer is clutching at. This would also explain why he is so easily enamored by a couple of female witnesses
but is completely unaffected by Mia's large breasts.
- Mia never tries to use them on the Judge. He's pretty gullible and is pretty easily led. As for Godot and Franziska, I always interpreted letting them get away with their antics as a result of being afraid of them.
- Makes sense, because judges are usually lawyers with additional training. So it's a 50/50 at the very least that the Judge was a prosecutor.
- HOLD IT! Remember that, localization aside, this is a Japanese game based on the Japanese legal system. Judges there, like most Civil Law countries, are trained separately and aren't always attorneys or prosecutors first.
- Favoritism towards the prosecutors is very, very Truth in Television in Japan.
- JOSSED! (Apologies in advance for writing this all over the page) Dual Destinies provides two separate reasons for why this theory is, at the very least, implausible:
- Blackquill asks the judge at one point whether he has "always wanted to say the opening statement". Note the wanted; doing so should make it clear that the judge has never said the opening statement, meaning that he never has been a prosecutor.
- Furthermore, case 5-3 clarifies that there are separate courses for judges, attorneys and prosecutors, at least at Themis Legal Academy. While it may have been possible for the judge to have gone through both the prosecutor- and judge-courses, this seems unlikely.
This series is linked to the Buffyverse...
...via Wolfram and Hart. They are the ones Lana Skye "sold her soul" to, and are also responsible for extraditing Godot from Hell.
When Mia was murdered, she unknowingly would put a part of her soul in Phoenix. That would make him a Horcrux, which explains why he, who isn't a spirit medium, can occasionally hear her. Also, since she would have a Horcrux, even if her body was killed she would still be half-alive, which explains why she can be so easily summoned by Maya or Pearl.
- And we know that by messing up with the Magatama you can shatter your soul, so maybe Mia was really bad when using it, which is why her soul was fractured and a piece of it entered Phoenix!
- She ran into black Psych-locks on one of her first cases when Phoenix was her apprentice and didn't give up until her soul fragmented! But who would have such locks? Dahlia? Manfred Von Karma? Damon Gant?
Some (or all) of the clients he took were actually guilty, but because of his childhood trauma he believes so strongly in defending people who are innocent that he retconned this fact. In the early games, his powers weren't great, so he had to find plausible alternate explanations to the events. By game 4, he can violate the laws of physics themselves: whatever magic is behind Trucy's time-and-space defying panties, they still appear to be normal panties on the outside and thus can't cause a car to stall just by being stuffed up the tailpipe, and I haven't even gotten to the MASON system yet.
- Expounding, Phoenix is a mutant/metahuman, with powers along the lines of the Scarlet Witch. The AJAA timeline is the manifestation of a psychological breakdown he went through at some point, a la Avengers Disassembled, and GS 5 will pick up with him facing whatever brought on such trauma, and winning, and then everything returning to post-GS 3 normal.
- Ok, that's one more tally to the 'Nickwank' counter. Carry on everyone.
- There's more evidence toward this. They say the judge has never given an incorrect verdict. Depending on how you play, you can get either guilty or not guilty depending on how well you do. Put these together, and Lawyers can alter reality with their debating skills.
See the above suggestion.
- Fridge Horror since on the first day of case 1-4, Edgeworth was declared guilty for about five minutes before Larry stepped in. He was later found not guilty. So did he become guilty and then reality flipped back or what?
Ini and Mimi Miney have a brother called Moe Miney
...perhaps Moe the clown.
- They probably do have a brother named Moe, but it can't be Moe the clown, as his real name is Lawrence Curls.
The "legal system" in the games is, in fact, an aspect of the afterlife where the people are judged for their sins.
Though the lawyers in the system don't know it, they're in fact tasked with helping the process of judging people who have died, to decide whether they're good and go to heaven, or bad and go to hell.
- HOLD IT! If this is true, how could Edgeworth and Phoenix both be put on trial, be found not guilty, and then continue to defend/prosecute?
- OBJECTION! Because they're lawyers, and very good lawyers at that - if we're dealing with people's souls here, wouldn't the Powers That Be want to hold on to two of their most effective and scrupulous employees? This could also explain Edgeworth's "suicide" note and disappearance, which turned out to only be a year-long journey of personal discovery; as well as the fact that Phoenix can fall into a freezing river, at night, in winter, from which very few bodies are ever recovered, and survive with nothing worse than some bruises and a cold. They're so valuable that they literally cannot die. The real question is why there are recurring defendants.
- Clerical Errors, after all, all bureaucracies make mistakes at times.
- OBJECTION! ::mug slides into hand:: ::sips:: Then how do you explain ::close-up, speed lines background:: ...the repeated channeling of Mia Fey's deceased spirit?!
- ...well? How do you explain what?
- Simple. Mia Fey... never existed in the Celestial Bureaucracy!! She was simply planted into the minds of Phoenix et al to facilite their efforts, and to act as a focal point by The Powers That Be to exert their will and avoid mistrials!
- HOLD IT! Mia Fey is obviously still alive while everyone else is dead.
- HOLD IT! A spirit who has been summoned back to purgatory
- She got promoted out of the game (between the flashback cases and 1-2) and was used as a "trial by fire" for Phoenix to prove he was ready. She can still give him help, but only cryptic, practically useless hints (there are rules about this sort of thing). Perhaps every lawyer in the game has a "spirit" helping them. Fransiska could have her father, Edgeworth, maybe his father, Godot might have Mia as well, and Apollo? He has Phoenix. He doesn't need a spirit aid.
- OBJECTION! The defense has yet to explain one basic flaw in his reasoning, namely that Phoenix Wight was put on trial before he became a lawyer!
- OBJECTION! Simple: Phoenix died, was put on trial, and the almighty deities who control the system found potential in Wright and made him an attorney.
- This particular trope amuses me, in part, because it can also be argued to be rather close to the original Jewish plot of the Book of Job. (For those unaware: in the traditional Jewish viewpoint, it is far less of a bet between God and Satan and rather a case of humanity itself being put on trial—with Job being the defendant/defense attorney representing humanity as a whole, God being the judge, and ha-Satan being the prosecuting attorney—right down to using curses as "cross examination", using Job's best friends as a form of attempted witness against the defense, and so on.)
- Some modern (Christian) Biblical researchers even have pointed out Satan has a traditional characterisation not unlike Miles Edgeworth before his Heel-Face Turn—an overzealous prosecuting attorney willing to do anything to win a case.
- ...And Edgeworth wears red, the traditional colours of Satan/hell/devils/etc.
- And this pretty much makes this trope officially Older Than Feudalism.
- OBJECTION! What are the murder victims then?
- People who are still alive.
- Spirits who are undoubtly going to heaven or hell?
- Made up people to create an exscuse for the dead people to be put on trial.
- NOT SO FAST! (That's more fun than it should be) Let's say that a group of people who die in roughly the same timespan, a day or two, all enter the afterlife together. Their collective good and evil get mingled together thus masking who belongs in Heaven or Hell. The "trials" are designed for the lawyers to comb through the tangles and reveal the true nature of the dead souls.
The characters in the game series "speak" in text.
Just how do you pronounce a star in Mask*DeMasque? How can Phoenix be corrected on the name if the spelling he used would yield the same pronunciation? The only logical conclusion is that the characters see dialogue as subtitles.
- How do you manage to say the star in Black*Star?
- The * stands for jazz hands.
- Note that Ron didn't say Phoenix was pronouncing the name wrong, he specifically said that Mask* DeMasque is spelt with a star.
- That might also explain how Phoenix understood the whole "SPARDA" joke with Lisa Basil and Maya in case 3 of Trials and Tribulations. Technically, "SuPer Admin Restricted Desktop Access" shouldn't be a viable acronym, since the "P" is super-imposed in the middle of the first word. Well, unless you used Bold Inflation to emphasize the second syllable, like "SuPer", but that just sounds weird out loud.
- There was an ad in Japan for the first DS remake where all the characters had voiceovers for their text, except in one scene where Phoenix and Maya started making the usual bip-bip-bip noise of text appearing instead, and Edgeworth got mad about it. Since they could still understand each other, this makes it pretty clear that they can "read" the text.
- In a Japanese ad for the fourth game, everyone has voice acting except for Apollo, who has to speak in text-and-beeps. Everyone can understand him and is aware of the beeping...
- OBJECTION! When Sal Manella uses the word 'R0xx0rz,' Maya thinks he's saying 'Rocksores' which only makes sense if she only heard it out loud. Come to think of it, the same concept is actually used as evidence during a trial: the Maggie/Maggey issue.
- Maya may just have been unfamiliar with the word. She's not exactly a character one would expect to be fluent in 1337-speak, and could have been trying to "translate" it without having any idea what it meant.
- As for the Maggie/Maggey evidence, this actually becomes a piece of Fridge Brilliance when you realize that the defendant who makes this mistake is missing his glasses! As for Gumshoe... well, he IS Gumshoe. He probably just didn't read the picture very carefully.
- OBJECTION! The person in question lost the glasses when the murder occurred. Before that, he still had them, so he would have had no problem reading the textbox, meaning Fridge Brilliance is not a valid option in this case!
- YET ANOTHER OBJECTION! The title of the WMG doesn't specify whether the characters only speak in text... and, considering how the victim and culprit didn't SMS another, they must have spoken with their voices. *desk slam* Fridge Brilliance isn't a valid option, but the case still does NOT speak against this theory!
The series takes place in a totalitarian dictatorship; the trials are just for show
Let's sum up the facts. Guns are nearly impossible to obtain. Only incompetents seem to actually hold any job. Even self-defense with significan1t extenuating circumstances begets a death sentence. Any sort of courtroom antic is allowed, and let's face it, not only on the side of the prosecution. Prosecutors can taunt, insult, even whip the defense, not to mention the witness and/or the judge. Obvious shams of accusations are leveled at clearly innocent people, who remain guilty until proven otherwise. And the defense attorney(s) themselves seem to be easily-intimidated scaredycats.
- The only thing that remains strange is how can the actual guilty parties get sentenced and the innocent cleared. It's possibly just the dictators' reward for a "good show". Keep everyone entertained and on the edge of their seats (panem et circenses...), and you actually get to indict the guilty parties. Fail, and, well, the first guy they see pays for the crime.
- You are the button-pressing overlord at whose beck and call sprites dance. All insults leveled at Phoenix are in fact slights against the player. You and your allies are the defense, the prosecution is the enemy. Phoenix Wright is the avatar of Defense, and the dictator is the avatar of Prosecution. You, the player, pull the strings behind Defense. Capcom pulls the strings behind Prosecution. Ultimately, you are playing a zero sum game with the developers in the catbird seat, for they determine whether you can win.
- Note on the gun issue: The game was originally set in Japan, where it is rather hard (read: Damn near impossible) to legally acquire a gun if you're not a police officer.
Phoenix's submission of false evidence happens during Edgeworth's trial, but it is only revealed during Manfred Von Karma's trial as part of an elaborate plan
We never see Manfred Von Karma's trial, which makes sense because the focus is on defense attorneys. For the purposes of this theory, however, we shall assume that it takes place in the gap between Trials & Tribulations
and Apollo Justice
, Von Karma clearly having enough legal skill to tie up the courts for that amount of time. Some of the clues Phoenix finds in AA1
seem the result remarkably sloppy cover-up, especially for a Magnificent Bastard
of Von Karma's character... but that's because the evidence is faked! Chessmaster
time! At his eventual trial for murder, Von Karma proves that the evidence Phoenix submitted during the first trial are forgeries, simultaneously getting an acquittal, and forever soiling Wright's reputation as a lawyer. Only foolish fool foolishness would lead one to believe that they could go up against a Von Karma without repercussions.
- A tip of the Attorney Badge to xdelicious, who's Phoenix Wright The Plan submission inspired this theory.
- OBJECTION! The troper responsible for The Plan entry is baffled by this. It's clearly stated in the fourth case of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney that the false evidence was presented in a trial which von Karma had nothing to do with... unless one considers Kristoph Gavin to be von Karma's apprentice.
- Well, they certainly have a shared tendency to overreact.
- Not to mention that Trials and Tribulations makes it clear that von Karma is deceased.
- The above theory was written by someone who had only heard vague spoilers for the third and fourth games, as such, consider it Jossed
- Having played the fourth game, I'm actually of the opinion that after being disbarred and figuring out exactly what happened and who was to blame, it was Phoenix who pulled off a gambit – in fact he pulled off two. One last-minute one to get Kristoph Gavin convicted for Shadi Smith's murder, and a second one he had planned before the murder to nail Kristoph, restore his good name, and clear the Gramaryes' names. Guess being exposed to all those failed plans and wanna be Magnificent Bastard types taught him how to properly be a Chessmaster.
Manfred Von Karma committed suicide.
We used to have this one, a few bullet points deep, but it seems to have gotten shuffled off. A brilliant lawyer, and an undefeated prosecutor who doubtless has accumulated favours no matter how much of a Jerk Ass
he was, simply doesn't get executed in less than three years. Remember, a conviction in the three-day trials doesn't lead directly to sentencing, but to an automatic retrial in a higher court – and then there are still appeals. On the other hand, Von Karma was obsessed with perfection – and he lost his win record, his long-plotted revenge
, his reputation, and his freedom all in the same day. For a man so given to overreaction, this could easily lead to deciding that he was truly guilty of imperfection, and being his own hangman not long after. This adds resonance to Edgeworth's particular disdain for suicide in the final case of the second game – not only did he obviously not do it himself, but he sees it as the final failure of Von Karma and his way, in contrast to the new path he's chosen for himself.
- I came to the same conclusion due to the fact that it took Dalhia five years to have her sentence carried out but Von Karma was dead before a year had even gone by.
- It's possible that he refused any further trials or appeals and wished to have his death sentence ushered in, so didn't so much commit suicide as refused any further trialling. His record was damaged beyond repair because of that Not Guilty verdict (both because it was him convicted instead, and because he lost the case), even if he was found Not Guilty in a retrial or an appeal. There's also the fact that his sentence might have been ushered on anyway because A) he's part of the law enforcement; B) he's actually quite old, unlike Dahlia, so his trial was given priority; C) Because of his age he possibly died in prison; D) It's a lot easier to prove he had the most to do with the murder of Gregory Edgeworth and that he'd set up the plan to get Edgeworth convicted than it is to trace Dahlia to the poison, since ballistics markings are a lot more distinct than a bottle on a pendant.
- Unlike America, Japan (whose broken justice system is the basis for Ace Attorney's) does not do much in the way of appeals. Also, Japanese execution dates are secret – the condemned only learn their death is imminent 24 hours before they're hanged, and the outside world isn't informed until after the fact. It's certainly conceivable that Manfred's execution was fast-tracked for some or all of the reasons above. This troper thinks it's more likely he died in prison due to simply giving up on life.
- Yeah, but we know appeals exist in the Ace Attorney universe, because Case 3-3 IS an appeal case. Considering Manfred's personality, he's unlikely to allow himself the more slow path of death by giving up on life. He'd want his death sentence carried out immediately; no retrials, no appeals, none of that; and he could have gotten that because the legal system is so twisted and he has connections. If he wanted, he could have gotten his sentence overturned; Bansai Ichiyanagi, for instance, could have been an asset. He'd snap his fingers and order his immediate execution, wanting to get it over with as quickly as possible because there's no coming back from the shame of losing two cases in one day to a rookie attorney AND being found guilty of a murder he very nearly got away with AND having it revealed he forged evidence for a case 16 years ago (even though he wasn't guilty of this; Ichiyanagi framed him) AND having all his flaws laid out for the world to see all in the same day. He'd kill himself before giving up on life, if his execution date wasn't within the week. He's too proud for that. I also believe he would have wanted this so that his daughter never had to see him disgraced like that. I at least think Manfred loved his daughter dearly, even if he was a strict parent to her and didn't always know how to express his care for her, and always wanted her to admire him. I don't think she was ever told the truth about why her papa was sent to prison, either, until about four years later.
Ema Skye is hot.
Don't deny it. Its better than the other theories here....
Just to explain her bitchy attitude.
It also renders the above WMG useless. Proof, you ask? Remember when we first meet her in Apollo Justice
. She comes off as a bitchy detective who couldn't care less about you. Then Apollo gives her the bottle of fingerprints, and suddenly, she is reminded of a time when she had a heart. Nobodies use their memories to portray fake emotions. Then there's her Japanese surname, which means "jewel moon." Jewels can be considered sacred. "Sacred Moon" is the background music for The World That Never Was, the city of Nobodies.
Mia Fey is hot
There, are you happy now?
- Objection! Your honor, the defense is abusing the plantiff.
- Hmm...Mia Fey... ...Ah! ::Nods:: Objection sustained. Please refrain from personal attacks.
- This troper pleads guilty of staring at the defense attorney's cleavage then undressing her with his eyes.
Kay Faraday is hot.
She charmed a national ambassador who's twice her age within hours, made even Franziska
and Detective Badd
show softness with her, somehow convinced Edgeworth to not immediately dump her somewhere when they first met despite how annoyingly Genki
she has, and later managed to drag him off to the Allebaht/Babahl embassy events when he just wants to take it easy after spending the previous day investigating three
murder cases at a pace that made 24
seem sedate. Canon Sue
? Perhaps. But still indisputably hot.
- EUREKA! ::points:: Obviously, Kay Faraday has stolen your heart.
- NOT SO FAST! This is all circumstantial Mr. Prosecutor! This old pack ain't gonna run with weak reasoning like that. You know what I'm talking about? Proof!
- OBJECTION! ::points:: Your honor! Without proof, that statement is nothing more than a personal opinion, and won't do in court! ::slams desk:: All that it proved was that Kay Faraday is a charming young lady, which doesn't prove that she's 'hot'! I am forced to ask for some evidence]]!!
- TAKE THAT! In Turnabout Ablaze, she stood next to a burning building! That would make her very hot! While it is impossible to prove that she is hot through opinion... :desk slam: You can certainly prove it with fact! In fact, since she has been closer to the largest fire in the series than the above witnesses... I submit to the court that Kay Faraday is the hottest girl in the series!
- NOT SO FAST! Sorry, pup, but this wolf ain't gonna bite. Just 'cause she was standing near a fire, doesn't mean anything if you're trying to prove she's 'hot'. But if that's your line of thinking... ::close up, speed lines:: Then I guess everyone involved in that case is potentionally hot?!
- ::head scratch:: Well... yes. Can you name a single person in that case who wasn't hot?
- OBJECTION! ::slaps paper:: Are you implying that everyone in that case was hot? :slams hands on desk: There is just one thing off in your logic. ::points:: What about the people who were in the other building? ::close up and speedlines:: What about Oldbag?!?!
- (Barges in) Mr, Edgeworth, sir! We just got a report back from the boys in the lab, and it says Kay's very short skirt is more than a little titillating! I think this might be enough to prove she's hot, pal!
- OBJECTION! Kay Faraday is a pettanko with no real sex appeal! Plus, while not making a comparison to the hotness of other Ace Attorney females (such as in the "Is Ema Skye Hot" WMG above), the fact is the player has been exposed to way hotter, and as such, Kay Faraday and her mild attractiveness should leave no impact on the player. Thus, she shouldn't be considered hot. (On the subject of her younger self being adorable, however...)
- NOT SO FAST! You refer to the precedent set by the Ema Skye WMG. However, it was established there – and thus stands true here – that only OBJECTIVE hotness matters! Furthermore, in addition to her still having a chance to fill out a bit more, breast size is only one aspect of perceived hotness! I submit for your consideration her incredibly short skirt.
- We accept her skirt into evidence and concede on the matter of Objective Hotness. Ah, but lest you forget the rest of her outfit, her ugly rubber boots nullify the hotness of her legs and short skirt. While you could be looking at a whole lotta leg or some fetish-y Zettai Ryouiki, these abominations of footwear stare you right in the face. You cannot concentrate on a ruffling skirt when those things catch your eye. Furthermore, Kay has no fashion in any sense of the word. Her ensemble does her body a disservice. Her scarf does a fine job of covering up her neck and collar bone and any other sexy elements. Her outfit in general looks terrible, and her face is an awfully generic "mischievous face", offering no unique appeal. Now if you wish to suggest that Kay is hot au natural or in other clothing, without her joke of an outfit, I may have to reconsider.
- TAKE THAT! I will submit this piece of fanart, which may not show as much skin as other females in the AA cast, but definitely shows that Kay, given the chance to grow a little older and "fill out", can definitely be one sexy Great Thief. Therefore, you must reconsider now and conclude that Kay is, indeed, hot - or at least, has the potential to be hot.
Edgeworth would make a hot woman.
- He'd certainly pull of a Tres Bien uniform better than Wright.
- 'OBJECTION! This court will not accept evidence that will mentally scar the judge!
- Scar... OR IMPRESS?!
- ::Gavel bang:: No, just scar. ::Penalty::
- (Ack! I must be on the wrong track! ... Maybe I can turn this case all around... Think outside the box...) Aha! I have you now, Your Honor! I move to accuse ::close up, speedlines:: the judge of murder!
Dick Gumshoe is hot.
... Well, I think so anyway.
- Why else would Franziska keep whipping him?
- So Phoenix is hot too, under that logic?
- But Franziska whips Gumshoe and Phoenix (and multiple other people) because she thinks they're fools.
- Er, I actually think he's hot, too...
Edgeworth will eventually be murdered.
It happens to everyone else
- By this logic, Larry Butz will never die.
- OBJECTION! It only happens when those that Oldbag likes are mentioned for the first time! Edgeworth's been around for three games, and he hasn't been killed!
- TAKE THAT! Edgeworth is alive and well in Dual Destinies. It remains to be seen whether he survives the next game, but for now, this case is closed.
- Where was Edgeworth during Apollo Justice...?
- Abroad, most likely. Edgeworth seems to spend a lot of time abroad. Whether this entails studying foreign legal systems or bedding six German milk maids simultaneously, I can't say.
- OBJECTION! T&T establishes that Miles Edgeworth is, in fact, not a playboy and is furthermore horrified by Gumshoe's suggestion to the contrary! The defence moves for a verdict of "asexual"!
Godot was hospitalized at House
Godot was in a coma since Dahlia poisoned him, and was awoken when he smelled the aroma of the coffee a doctor brought to his room. And House has been know to use the comatose patient's room as a cafeteria.
The Ace Attorney series as we know it is a set of alternate universes that split with the existence of "Rise from the Ashes", the DS-exclusive 5th case.
In the second game, Edgeworth is stated as never having done another case after the incident with Von Karma. This is clearly contradicted by the fifth case of the first game, so one can only assume the fifth case only exists in an alternate continuity that runs through the other games, including Ace Attorney 4. The original continuity only goes up to three, and ends there, presumably with Phoenix never being disbarred in some series of events we cannot know.
The origin of the tangent universe is the birth of Ema Skye. She was never born in the original universe, and was in fact created by Schala from Chrono Cross upon hearing the screams of Lana Skye being sentenced to death without anybody to give a good lawyerly representation for her. Hence the creation of Ema, a clone who looks nothing like Schala (see Kid.) This also explains why Lana was so cold to Ema before the events of the trial – she didn't exist, and the false memories only went back so far.
For those who say this is a completely overcomplicated explanation that makes no sense, you've obviously never had anything to do with Chrono Cross.
- Yet more 'Nickwank' *tallies*
- Ezekiel finds this explanation both straightforward and logical.
- OBJECTION! If Ema Skye did not exist, then Damon Gant would have had no hold over Lana concerning the murder of her fellow detective. The only reason he could blackmail her is because she was worried that Ema would be found guilty of that very murder! Or are you suggesting she's the kind of person that can turn a blind eye to injustice for the sake of her own career? For that matter, without having Ema in the room as a scapegoat and a way to get an emotional stranglehold on Lana, Gant would have had no immediate reason to kill Detective Marshall, which means he wouldn't have committed the murder of Detective Goodman either. True, he might have manipulated Lana some other way, but the point is that case 1-5 would never have happened.
- Ack! Well...what if case 5 and the SL-9 Incident never happened at all? Then Gant would never become Police Chief. But perhaps he was given a chance to change history so that he WAS Police Chief. But, because it is a Monkey's Paw alternate universe, him becoming the police chief also resulted in him becoming a blackmailing murderer]]
- HOLD IT! Alternatively, in the first run-through, Lana was found guilty. Over the course of the next two games, Ema realized that Phoenix Wright would be able to save her and so built a time machine to send back a note to herself telling her to go find him, thus created an altered timeline which eventually led to the Apollo Justice and Investigations plots.
Gant is Phoenix's father. And Apollo's. And Zak Gramarye's.
The first two are admittedly crack fanon based on Gant's fandom reputation as a universal rapist (this troper prefers to think of him as more of a love machine), but Zak's face in his laugh sprite is near-identical to his putative father's.
Pearl's father is Manfred von Karma. The two evils cancelled each other out and made Pearl the bastion of sweetness that she is.
I take your Pearls and raise it to the fact that not only is Pearl really Manfred's daughter, but Franziska von Karma is Misty (and I do
mean Misty)'s daughter. Manfred vK doesn't have any 'good' children- his oldest daughter is a failure, and his wife died in childbirth. He finds that (though it goes against his nature) he misses his wife, and goes to Kurain village to channel her. Misty accomplishes this, and they end up spending... 'time' together. Later, Misty 'wakes up', and in 9 months she is pregnant. Her husband has left her by now, and she doesn't know what to do. Manfred wishes to have his wife's spirit channeled again, and he goes back to Kurain village to find that Misty is pregnant. Putting two and two together he realizes that it is possibly his
child. When the child is born, Manfred vK blackmails Misty (using Maya and Mia...?) into giving him the baby. She complies, and tries to forget about it ever happening. The baby is named 'Franziska', and all is well. At least, until DL-6 when Misty vanished. He tries to ignore that she is gone, but at the same time she was the one who could contact his dead wife. He eventually tried to get someone else to channel his wife, and he got to Morgan. She had guessed what had happened to Misty, and so she agreed to channel Manfred's wife. She did not wish to actually channel
her though, and instead she made sure she knew enough that she successfully faked channeling his wife. She wished for a child as a 'Take That!' against her husband who had left her, and her knowledge of Manfred vK lead her to decide that he would be a good 'sperm donor' as it were. She made sure that she hid her signs of pregnancy, and then had the baby girl early. It worked, Manfred became too busy with adding the finishing touches to perfecting Miles Edgeworth, and his daughter was becoming a prosecutor in her own right, and he missed the fact that he could have had another daughter. Morgan named her daughter "Pearl" after the way a Pearl is created when a tiny grain of sand- a seed, if you will- gets into the Oyster. She raises her child hoping that Pearl would turn out to be as ruthless as her father, however she didn't think about the impact that Mia and Maya would have on her precious.
- OBJECTION! Maya and Franziska are almost exactly the same age - both are eighteen in JFA. I suppose they could have been twins, with Manfred demanding the child that more strongly resembled him.
- OBJECTION! ::Head shake:: Sorry, one tiny detail there contradicts one big point of Pearl's back story. The fact that her father left when she was very young. not before she was born!]]. You're saying that Mr. Von Karma wasn't even aware of Morgan's pregnancy. In addition, it was stated that Pearl's father is Morgan's second husband!]]. Also, Pearl's hair is brown.
- OBJECTION! There is one way to clear this up:Morgan's 2nd husband either refused to have sex with her for whatever reason or had fertility problems so Morgan decided to cheat on him with Manfred. This most likely caused problems in Morgan's relationship leading to her husband leaving her. Also, for all we know, Manfred's hair could have been brown when he was young and Franziska's hair is dyed.
- OBJECTION! Let's remember Manfred's character here. Does he really seem like the type to have an affair with anybody? Let's also Manfred's perfection obsession. Do you really think he'd go in unprotected? In addition, he probably would keep his hair dyed if that were the case.
- OBJECTION! Who said it was consensual? Anyway, Franziska and Pearl actually have a lot in common. They've both been described as prodigies, are (in some ways) more mature than you'd expect from people their age, and physically assault people(especially Phoenix Wright, both of them even knock him out on one occasion each) without any attempt to punish them in any way.
- An attempt to put this theory in a legible story format can be found here. It's a little easier to read than the mass of text above. X3
Either that, or Drew used to be or had an affair with someone of the Cadaverini family, and had Vera later. Think about it. Both of them are thin, waifish, sickly-looking girls who are disturbingly quiet, with ties to a criminal underworld. Not to mention that both of them ended up smack in the middle of poisoning cases that involved a poisoned cup of coffee. Coincidences? I think not!
- Technically, in Vera's case, the poison wasn't actually in the coffee itself.
Misty Fey is Miles Edgeworth's mother. By this same logic Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father.
Miles' mother is never mentioned in canon, and the Fey's father is mentioned only in passing. So what if the other is the missing parent of each family? Say Misty and Gregory fell in love with each other. Mia was born, but they realized they had a problem when Miles was born. Kurain's inner family politics is vicious and the Branch Fey families are not afraid to use anything or person to their advantage. There is also the fact that Kurain is not all that friendly towards men. In order to protect and give Miles a normal life, Gregory covered up all connections he had with Misty so they could never use his son as a pawn. Misty and Gregory still secretly kept in touch with each other and visited each other occasionally, later resulting in the birth of Maya. When the tragedy of DL-6 occurred, Misty knowingly went along with Gregory's lie about Yanni Yogi in order to protect their son from suspicion. The guilt of that act, as well as the shaming of the Fey family name is what drove her into self-exile. As the result of their combined efforts neither Miles nor the Fey sisters realize they are siblings.
- OBJECTION! Gregory never lied about Yanni. He was deceived into thinking so by the real murderer.
- HOLD IT! Gregory wasn't deceived, he simply didn't know. He was unconscious when Von Karma shot him, and his last memory was Yanni Yogi attacking him when a gunshot went off, so he assumed that Yogi shot him.
- Hence the deception.
- HOLD IT! Gregory is a smart man (he'd have to be to make a dent in von Karma, after all) and he'd know that there would be two immediate suspects for his murder- Yanni Yogi and 'his own son, Miles'. Yanni because he attacked him, and Miles because he threw Yanni's gun and it discharged. While Yanni was pursued as the prime suspect, the police ran into such a brick wall during their investigation that they resorted to using Misty Fey. But they could have just as easily turned their eyes to the only other person in the elevator, Miles. The games have shown that time and time again the court system is brutal; even self-defence is hinted to ruin the defendent's life. Gregory would know this, and that would be a powerful motivator to say it was Yanni—a likely candidate anyway, to remove any chance of suspision turning to his son.
- I wrote about this at length some time ago on CR. Whether or not Edgey was an illegitimate child is up to debate, but it was possible for Gregory to have had some sort of relationship with Misty. As the Master of Kurain, infighting directed at Misty's immediate family would have been particularly intense, and we know already that Fey men often leave due to the structure of the Fey family and the fact that men have no place in the Kurain tradition, so it's not unlikely that Gregory left Misty and took Miles with him to protect him from the family's power complex. The possibility that Gregory and Misty had some sort of connection is made more likely when we consider Misty's involvement in DL-6: having a spirit medium aid a murder investigation was a first, and it carried with it the enormous risk of ruining the reputation of both the police department and the Kurain Channeling Technique. Misty wouldn't have had a lot of reason to help out unless she had a personal connection to the case, which she would have had if Miles was her son. Fast forward to the present, and we see that Edgeworth also bears quite a physical resemblance to the Feys, to the point where his and Young Mia's "shocked" animations are identical. He is also, notably, able to use the Magatama despite his fervent disbelief in it and his lack of guidance by someone who knew how to use it.
- I'd just like to submit this bit of evidence◊ to the court, thank you.
- Also, remember Mia's signature head tilt? She does it every time she smiles, both in her original body◊ and when she's being channeled.◊ Now take a look at this sprite.◊ See anything familiar?
- This troper would like to add her own evidence to that of the previous two posts, concerning Pearl and Miles: according to this WMG theory, they would be cousins. Now compare and contrast their personalities as children, Pearl as we know her, and Miles as Phoenix described him during case 1-4 as the eight year old he knew before the tragedy of DL-6 and von Karma's influence. Both of them are considered prodigies in their respective fields, very mature and rather sophisticated for their age, intensely proud of their gifted family members and are tend to get a certain sparkle in their eyes when inspired by something. The family resemblance is uncanny, wouldn't you agree?
- This troper would just like to draw everyone's attention to Maya's behavior in case 1-4. If you think about it, the way she acts is more than a little odd. Maya has no reason to trust Miles at this point aside from Phoenix's word, yet she steps up to defend him in trial, going so far as to get herself held in contempt of court for his sake. This troper has always found the lack of reasoning for her sudden conviction rather odd. Perhaps a part of Maya subconsciously picked up on the fact that Miles was her older brother and wanted to help protect him as a result of that.
- Adding on to that, this troper would like to point out that most of Maya's behavior towards Miles is just a little too...familiar. She does act very sibling-like towards him, throughout the majority of the case. Protecting him, yes, but also the way she mocks and/or teases him, either behind his back ("Did you know Edgeworth's secret weakness? He's terrified of earthquakes! He acts like a little boy!" <—all with a big smile on her face), or right to his face ("See, Mr. Edgeworth? You should take a lesson from Detective Gumshoe! That's how you say "thank you"!). If you view her as his sister, her behavior suddenly makes a whole lot more sense. After all, what little sister wouldn't mock their older brother mercilessly if they discovered a "secret weakness" of theirs? Siblings do that sort of stuff to each other all the time. Given the rest of her actions, I find it very believable that she was just running on a sort of sisterly-instinct when it came to Miles, even if only subconsciously.
- This troper also distinctly remembers a small detail from the latter part of case 1-2, after Phoenix is arrested for Mia's murder, and Maya comes to visit him in detention. One the joking responses you can give in an attempt to cheer her up is that she can help by defending Phoenix in court tomorrow. She immediately responds that she will, and that (paraphrased) 'law runs in my blood, after all!' At first glance, this troper assumed that it was just a cute and funny instance of Maya being Maya, and coming up with some reassurance for the man who had done his all to protect her- especially as Phoenix internally corrects her that it's ESP. However, taking into account this WMG, Maya might not have been too far off. Even if she wasn't consciously aware of it, she be referencing something her sister had said, who certainly would remember more than her about their father and his profession even if she couldn't recall everything about him (such as his exact appearance; if she studied the DL-6 case file in reference to her mother's disappearance, it's likely she came across a picture of Gregory, and may simply not have recognised him because of how long it had been and how young she would have been when she last saw him).
- Which would also explain why Mia became a defense attorney of all things in order to find out what happened to her mother. After all, wouldn't a prosecuting attorney make a lot more sense for her goals? It would give her a lot more access to police records, and allow her to personally hunt down and prosecute the man who was responsible if she ever found him. So why a defense attorney? Maybe she, just like her little brother, idolised their father- even if she was too young to remember everything about him.
- There's also the fact that Maya specifically said once that her father died when she was young. She was seventeen when she said this (case 1-4), and at that point the DL-6 incident had occurred fifteen years ago. Which means Gregory Edgeworth would have died when Maya was two. That's pretty young, I'd say.
- Not to mention the Added Alliterative Appeal the Fey family seems to have going on for most of their children. Morgan... Misty... Mia... Maya... Miles...
- HOLD IT! This evidence is less compelling when you remember that it applies only to the English version of the games (in Japanese they are Kimiko, Maiko, Chihiro, Mayoi, and Reiji, respectively). Then again, maybe the translators were trying to give us a hint.
- It's more than likely Mia/Miles/Maya are half-siblings. This tropes used often with Pearl and her sisters and later with Trucy and her brother.
- OBJECTION! Why half-siblings and not full siblings? There's plenty of evidence to suggest that they shared both parents.
- I do believe sometime in Case 3-5, Maya says something that felt just a little... odd. She's the only member of the Main Family left, but Maya doesn't actually say that. What she actually says (which I can't remember exactly, but remember thinking her comment was odd) implies that she actually has another sibling; as I recall, she either says she's the only female member left in the Main Family or that she's the only member left in the Main Family who can take the title.
- Just to add fuel to this fire, it is also possible that Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth are brothers, or possibly cousins! If Phoenix is, in fact, the son of a Spirit Medium, then it is possible he is also related to the Feys. His own father may have had a brief affair with Misty Fey, or it is even possible that Morgan Fey herself is Phoenix's mother, with a second, unknown man being his father. This is supported by his ability to use the Magatama and hear Mia's voice without her first being channeled, and their ability to use the...SUPER OBJECTION!!!
- That... that would add an unexpected layer of Squick to the Phoenix/Iris pairing.
- OBJECTION! The validity of the "Mia, Maya, and Edgeworth share the same parents" theory is undeniable. However, this troper is of the firm belief that a further connection between Miles/Maya/Mia and Phoenix as siblings, or even half-siblings, is much too convenient and unrealistic a conclusion to draw. It is entirely possible that Phoenix may share some distant spirit medium blood, but there isn't a shred of evidence to support the claim that he is related to the Feys in any way. They're not the only spirit mediums in the world, after all.
- Not only that, but it would effectively eliminate the possibility of two of the most popular AA pairings (Phoenix/Miles and Phoenix/Maya) in one fell swoop.
- Also, keep in mind that Phoenix and Miles are the same age. It would have been physically impossible for Misty to become pregnant with both of them at the same time if they shared two different fathers. If you're suggesting that they are in fact twins, then why would Gregory have taken only Miles and not Phoenix?
Think about it. He realized that his days as an active superhero were over, and decided to protect the innocent in another way - as a defense attorney. He had to change his name, of course, or else he'd be too conspicuous. On top of this, has anyone else noticed that despite complaining about the bills and yet not taking on many jobs, that Phoenix oddly manages to keep his house rented and pays for Maya's appetite? As Batman, he'd have his fortune to mooch off of. To top it off, it's obvious that the spikes in his hair are simply a result of him hiding his old Batman spikes in it to use as backup weapons.
- OBJECTION! Batman can actually drive.
- Phoenix could be faking an inability to drive as part of his cover-up.
- Phoenix has a house?
- You know, I can easily see many Batman characters fitting in to the Pheonix Wright universe. Seriously. Picture a courtroom battle between Phoenix Wright and Two-Face. So easy!
- OBJECTION! Bruce Wayne is in his late 30s - early 40s while Phoenix is in his mid 20s in his own arc, and in his early 30s in Apollo Justice.
- OBJECTION! Bruce Wayne has worn many, many elaborate disguises throughout his career. It's not a stretch at all to think he could make himself appear younger.
- HOLD IT! What if this WMG has it backwards, and in fact he was Phoenix Wright then Batman?
- Apollo must be Robin, then, as Scuttlebutt does call him "Boy Wonder".
- It IS worth noting that two of the villains in the series have resembled Batman villains, with the personalities switched (I'm referring here to a WMG I put below). We see the Penguin in Case 3-3 with the personality of the Joker (even referring to himself as a clown) and in Case 5-2 we see the Joker with the personality of the Penguin. I'm talking, of course, of Luke Atmey and Florent L'Belle, who it cannot be a coincidence that they're so alike, yet different enough that they can be the Penguin and the Joker, to the point that their leitmotifs tend to sound rather similar.
Apollo's father is still alive.
What happened to him sounds awfully similar to what happened to Thalassa, and we know she's not dead. Although knowing the way this series treats its long-lost parents, he'll probably die as soon he appears. There's another idea going around that Valant is Apollo's father, but I am unconvinced by it.
- *sigh* ... Objection. Remember the ending? Where Trucy is found out to be Apollo's sister? Add one and one together. It's not hard. Apollo's father is Zak Gramarye. ::slams desk:: And he is dead!
- ...Wasn't it said that Apollo was born while Thalassa took a year off from the Grammaryes and visited another group? I don't think it was ever said they're full siblings; they're most likely half-siblings. Anyway, this is quite the depressing WMG, since if Apollo's dad shows up and suddenly dies, then both he and Trucy would have had that happen to them.
Apollo Justice isn't Apollo's real name, it's one he himself opted for.
Now, I know characters in the AA universe tend to have astoundingly appropriate names
, but not usually the main characters, Gumshoe excepted. Add that to the fact that he grew up an orphan, his Catch Phrase
and his general passion for the law, and it's easy to see him taking the name 'Justice' and possibly even the name 'Apollo' for himself.
- OBJECTION! A flashback in Dual Destinies shows that his name was "Apollo Justice" in Junior High.
- HOLD IT! Who's to say he didn't make up his own name before Junior High? A simple Mythology Book from Elementary School could've yielded said name since Apollo is not only the god of Light, he's also the god of Justice.
Relating to the afterlife judging idea near the top, the trials are actually a way of judging whether the dead have the right to come back to life. They judge the memories of the souls and use a crime from their past as a fake trial. Also, the judge is the Composer.
- Well, in any case, this can't really be disproved yet, because we've only seen Shibuya's Game; Joshua implies that other cities could be very different.
- There's more than one judge, though. There's only one Composer per city, so the judge must be the Gamemaster, since he can be switched out. The Prosecutors would be the Harriers, I suppose... don't know where the defense attorneys fit into this. As for the Composer... Consider this. If the Composer determines who the players are for each game session, and the players are the defendants... well, the person who arrests the defendants is Gumshoe...
- So Gumshoe's the Composer and faking incompetence?
- All those 'save the day' moments he got? A clue he wasn't really as useless as he acted! Now we know the reason the yakuza kept surrendering whenever Gumshoe entered the room!
- In that case, it follows logic that Ema as the detective in AA 4, defeated the former Composer, taking his place, explaining the cast change, since she wanted to put her own spin on the game. Her bitterness comes from the fact that she has to be a detective, as part of her role as Conposer, rather than her dream job.
- When you consider that Phoenix used to be a defendant himself (a player), who then went to being a lawyer, then to being a hobo with nobody from the first 3 games 'on his side' apart from Ema, it's not hard to believe that he ascended. Why is Phoenix still around? He's the Producer, which is why he can bend time. If Producers can reality hop, time hopping should be child's play.
- Wait, so Phoenix went from Player, to Reaper, to Harrier, to freaking PRODUCER? My gosh, we were controlling an Angel all along.
- ALL of the attorneys are Reapers. Like in Shibuya's Game, the lifespan of a Reaper depends on the number of souls they erase, but unlike Shibuya, there's usually only one or two souls erased per Game, so the Reapers are forced to compete with each other - prosecutors tag certain souls for Erasure at the beginning of the Game and have to stick with that soul for the whole time, while defense attorneys are allowed to pick and change what soul they want to Erase at any time but, as a price, face much higher difficulties. This also explains why having a perfect winning streak is such a big deal, to the point where several Reapers are willing to bend or break the rules - the longer they can keep up their streak, the longer they stay in the game.
- After her first acquittal, Maya became Phoenix' assistant - thus, she chose to become a Reaper instead of incarnating. Considering that not all Reapers have to erase Players to extend their lifespan (otherwise the Wall Reapers or 777's behaviour don't make sense), defense attorneys could just be another kind of Reaper who test the Player's Soul.
- If that's true, then why is there no time limit? And no mission mail? Not to mention they're not even using psychs!
- Well... each trial lasts a max of three days, so there's your time limit, at least. If the players are the defendants, then their 'Mission Mail' is getting arrested, I suppose. And as for psychs... um... well... they're... two out of three ain't bad?
- The Evidence replaces psyches. The magatama and the normal evidence actually cause metal strain on the person using it or the person it's being presented to, depending on the evidence. That's why people react to damning evidence like they've been physically struck.
- Near the end of case 1-3, when Vasquez "calls her boys", she states that "They're good at erasing... various things." This troper believes that she was the composer, up until Gumshoe does his Big Damn Heroes thing.
Thalassa wasn't shot by Zak or Valant
Someone else took advantage of the amount of bullets that were flying around to shoot her from a secret position, and then set Valant and Zak up to take the fall. Her shooting will be something Apollo has to solve as part of the backstory to the last case of his arc.
- So you're saying that she could've been shot from the grassy knoll?
- Nope, it was definitely the book depository.
- Here's an idea - She was shot by Magnifi! Because he felt he needed both of his possible successors under his thumb, and had planned out his death even then.
All those 'suicides' he was apparently responsible for were murders via Death Note designed specifically to set him up. Then the guilty party wrote in 'Mia Fey: Blunt force trauma. Killed by an intruder to her office' and 'Redd White: Suicide. Breaks into the legal office where papers incriminating him are being kept and takes the papers through any means necessary. Later that week, is extremely insolent towards a lawyer investigating the death of his superior, then calls the police to have said lawyer arrested for murder. Five days later, commits suicide in his jail cell'.
- Can't the Death Note only control actions for about a month leading up to death? I revise your theory—he really was a bastard that caused suicides but the entire case for his murder of Mia was due to a Death Note.
- Perhaps the Kira was very clever at manipulating things to frame White. Probably not though. New theory: White himself is a former Kira, and for each of the people being blackmailed he wrote in 'redrafts his/her will to leave a large sum of money to Bluecorp, then commits suicide'. However, he for whatever reason lost his Death Note before the beginning of the series.
- Fridge Brilliance: The papers that Mia Fey hid were pages from the the Death Note that she managed to steal from Redd White and wrote this scenario in it: 'Redd White: Suicide. Breaks into the legal office where papers belonging to him are being kept and takes the papers after killing Mia Fey with the container the papers were in. Later that week, is extremely insolent towards a lawyer investigating the death of his superior, then calls the police to have said lawyer arrested for murder. Five days later, commits suicide in his jail cell'
Daryan Crescend is Elvis
Really, I've only written this because there are already entries guessing this about Dr. Kelso
and the Shinigami king
, and I want to turn it into a full-blown trend along the lines of 'X is a time lord', 'x show is being imagined by Shinji Ikari' stuff. But as for my evidence, he's a rock musician with strange hair, he has to be older than he claims (Klavier said he was the first detective he ever worked with, when Klavier began prosecuting at 17
because he's German... but Daryan isn't German and he's the same age as Klavier) and he's a drug smuggler (the cocoon), and we know Elvis, tragically, had drug problems
Coffee is what saved Godot from being poisoned, and is what's required to keep him alive.
The poison that was given to him - while experimental and cooked up by a pharmacology student - could have had its potency reduced by the chemicals in the coffee it was slipped into, thus preventing it from being lethal. As for why Godot has to drink it so often, now, is pretty obvious: the poison messed with his central nervous system, and the caffeine in coffee is a powerful stimulant. He probably needs the caffeine to keep his nervous system active, and prefers to take it in the form of his own coffee blends.
- Good idea. It would help explain how he is able to drink so much coffee without dying.
- That explains WHY he died; He was a whole day without coffee in 3-5, right? The next day, he starts to randomly bleed. And then he dies. Now that was spoilerrific.
- Except Word Of God says he's still alive.
- Sources please. Which Word Of God is this?
- While I don't know nothing about this Word Of God you guys are talking about, I never doubted that he survived that. What makes you think he died, pal?
- The last picture in the credits, where he's shown standing next to Misty and Mia, basically watching over the others with them.
- Objection. You're forgetting one little detail...the other two with him in that segment are dead. Also note the positioning of the pictures on the DS: He, Misty and Mia are looking down at everyone else, with a white background, on the upper screen of the DS. The visual metaphor of "watching over me from heaven".
The Ace Attorney series takes place in an alternate universe where the Nazis won.
Why, yes, I do
have decisive evidence. Consider:
- The legal system seems more appropriate to a fascistic dictatorship.
- Even though the games are set a few decades in the future, no visible change in technology has occurred, suggesting that some horrific, long war turned back the clock.
- When a Prosecutor from Germany visits LA, he or she is treated with extreme deference, and may be assumed to be familiar with the US legal system... perhaps because the US and German legal systems are now one and the same. The same goes for German rock stars.
- The US and German legal systems aren't one and the same. You can become a lawyer at a younger age in Germany.
- OBJECTION! That is because is in the Germans best interest to have more GERMAN law enforcers, ergo they allow them to become prosecutors at a younger age
- And most tellingly, given that this is LA, where are all the minorities? There aren't any.
- Except for the Japanese. Aha.
- OBJECTION! If this is so, explain how Dee Vasquez, Juan Corrida, and Diego Armando not only exist, but were able to become successful at their respective jobs? Also, I'm not sure what Damon Gant is, but he is certainly neither white nor Japanese!
- There's a simple answer for this, and it also helps explain why the Nazis won. Remember that message Germany tried to send to Mexico during WW1, encouraging them to attack the US? In this AU, they got it. And followed it.
- But then it wouldn't be the Nazis winning, it would be the German Empire.
- That may be so, but the defense would like to point out that during the Holocaust, there was also rampant persecution of homosexuals. Explain the continued existence of half the damn cast.
- In this AU, Ho Yay is outlawed. That's why there aren't any explicitly established homosexuals in the cast. Not even Jean.
- OBJECTION! Jean flirts with and only tolerates flirting from male characters! Combine this with the decor of his restaurant and his eccentric dress, and you have no other explanation but homosexuality!
- He's French illegal immigrant. In AU's, everything is possible.
- Game 3 case 1 mentions both the Union Jack and "stars and stripes" still exist, how would this be if the Nazis took over?
- It's a common misconception that the goal of Nazi Germany was world domination, or even domination of Europe. They supported fascism elsewhere, and definitely wanted to set up Western Europe as client states and recolonize, but they never actually seriously set out to conquer the world.
- Even if they conquered the world, states need flags too.
- Incidentally, Apollo Justice takes place in another alternate universe where the Nazis lost, but the Soviets won. Think about it. The AJ courtroom has plain red flags, and Apollo wears all red and says its his favorite color. Hmm...
- The game is Japanese, remember? Maybe it's an alternate universe where Germany held out long enough for America to have to drop the atomic bombs on Berlin and another German city, so Japan didn't surrender, and the Soviets carried out their planned invasion?
- HOLD IT! The existence of Dual Destinies has made it clear that Apollo and Phoenix live in the same universe. How do you explain the theory that they STILL take place in different alternate universes?
- In several places (particularly from T&T Case 5 and in AA Case 4) you can see a string of flags held up around the place, both in Gourd Lake Public Beach (only at a specific point in the case) and Heavenly Hall. You can clearly see both Germany and the US's flag. The Nazis (should they have won or remained in power by not being defeated) should have kept their flag if this was the case. Here, I'd like to make a counter proposal to the theory, of which one of three things could be possible. Either the Nazis -were- defeated but the Flensburg Government was recognized as legitimate somehow; two, WWII stretched on for a longer period of time and ended up with a military stalemate as a possible result of the Nazis NOT invading Russia and conserving their manpower, or three... the fascism experienced in America is a result of the Business Plot of 1933.. except that America has its own ideology of fascism that differs to the left instead of right.
Dahlia Hawthorne is indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands.
Yes, she's an even worse
criminal than we all thought... and it's all related to Apollo Justice, case 3. In this case, we learn that Borginian coccoons, which cure the lethal and very poorly named disease 'incuritis', are an illegal commodity because they can also be used to create an exotic poison, which is never named. This law was instituted because, as Klavier puts it, 'a while back' some of this poison caused 'a lot of trouble', or something to that effect. Dahlia's preferred method of murder? An exotic poison which is never named. Furthermore, the two people she used it on (that we know of), Terry Fawles and Diego Armando/Godot, were both high-profile victims. Dahlia is the reason Borginian coccoons are illegal outside their country of origin, and therefore each and every person who dies of incuritis, in the entire world, was indirectly murdered by Dahlia. Damn, she really DOES belong in Hell.
- I got the impression that Incuritis wasn't a very common illness.
- True, but think of it this way. A 'rare' disease is defined as a disease that affects at most 5 out of every 10,000 people, or about .05% of the population at most. Now, .05% of the worldwide population is still a hell of a lot of people. Maybe incuritis isn't that prevalent, but medical treatment for it has been hampered thanks to Dahlia for 12 years (Five for the jump from her being arrested to end of AA3, and seven more for the jump from AA3 to AA4). It adds up.
He's an orphan (well, not really), is incredibly perceptive like the other Wammy's graduates (albeit in a different way), his name is clearly a fake, and he became a lawyer at 22, younger than Phoenix and Mia, without having to be raised by a Von Karma and/or in Germany, like all the other prodigy lawyers. He was clearly being raised to be the world's greatest detective, but for whatever reason found the courts more interesting, decided to become a lawyer instead, and was disowned by the house. Following on from this, Godot is L (they both love caffeine and have similar hairstyles), Matt Engarde is Mello (both have blonde hair in similar styles, and (spoilers for both Death Note
and Justice For All
) both are involved in kidnapping, Mello's friend is called Matt, both have large scarring on one side of the face (different sides, admittedly), and both are borderline sociopaths
). Gumshoe is Matsuda (they're both policemen who mean well but who aren't the sharpest tools in the shed). And Mikami is...I don't know, but it has to be someone. He is a prosecutor, after all.
Okay, everything from 'Godot is' onwards is complete nonsense. But I'm sticking with the theory about Apollo.
- Ridiculous! Matsuda is obviously Meekins, not Gumshoe!
- Objection! Matsuda is Gumshoe. they are both pretty much useless except for crowning moments of awesome, very cheerful and constantly scolded by their superiors (Aizawa and Edgeworth).
Maya and/or Pearl were killed shortly after the end of AA3.
Phoenix adopts Trucy less than a year after the end of AA3 (confirmed by relative ages). At no point during the MASON system investigations is any indicator ever given that they're around. OK, fine. Maybe they're just out getting ice cream or dealing with Kurain stuff. Except that Trucy is still hanging around for the next 7 years, and clearly doesn't seem to be at all familiar with either of them. At this point Pearl is practically Phoenix's adopted daughter too and almost the same age, so you'd have to figure they'd hang out. Then we have Trucy's end of game comment about finding a new "mother" and Phoenix having nobody to turn to when he gets disbarred. Not to mention the fact that every single closed off mentor type in the series has to have some horrible death in the family to be dug up later. Then Pearl being dead could cause an imprinting sort of thing with Trucy, causing him to investigate the case of her father with such badass dedication. As for how it went down, heck. Morgan could have gone for a take 2 on the last case of AA3 after dying in prison. Apollo Justice 2 is all about digging up the details.
- JOSSED! as of Dual Destinies. Pearl appears as a teenager. Maya is said to be too busy to see him, but wrote him a letter.
What happened to Maya and Pearl between 3 and 4?
With Misty Fey killed, Maya decides it's high time to get back in gear for training so that she can become the next Master. So, shortly after the events of Trials and Tribulations, Maya and Pearl head back to Kurain Village to start vigorous training. Phoenix, being without a Fey by his side for That One Case
, doesn't have the better judgment regarding that one piece of evidence, and with no one there to stand by him, he had no confidence/help in talking with The Bar Council, leading to his disbarment.
Maya later returns for a visit, and finds Phoenix no longer practices law, and, in fact, has a daughter (which likely resulted in an epic slapping from Pearl like we have never seen). Because she is still unaccustomed to the idea that she is the Master, Maya has a hard time accepting a role of a mother (or maternal figure), and so returns to Kurain Village to put on the hat of Master again, until she feels that she can handle it all. Pearl returns with her, as since she does not have a talent that she can really support herself with, she would be just one more mouth to feed with an already struggling family. She also returns to train and help Maya, of course.
As evidenced in case 4-2, Maya still keeps in contact with Nick, whether or not it's a major part of either's lives. This shows that they still hold a place in Phoenix's heart, they're still alive and well, and they may be called on in a future game.
- HOLD IT! Look at how Maya dotes on Pearly, and then tell me she's not maternal/sisterly.
- Also, when Pearl reappears in Dual Destinies, she doesn't seem to have any issues with Trucy's existence.
- OBJECTION! Pearl doesn't have memory loss! After Phoenix came out of his slap-induced coma, he just explained to Pearl that he adopted Trucy and did not "betray Mystic Maya" with some tramp. When they meet again in DD, Pearl already knows the story and so has no reason to freak out over Trucy.
Ema was filming the events of case 1-5
Phoenix Wright, in his new incarnation, has a badge on his hat. In the final case, this badge is revealed to be a camera that he used to film various things. Now, think back. Where have you seen that badge before? Yes, on Ema Skye's lapel, in the final case of AA 1. From this we can conclude that Ema was filming that case. But why? I've no idea, so someone else can guess at that.
Phoenix didn't try to find the truth and reclaim his badge because Sissel
was making it hard to find work anyway.
I mean, how many people did Sissel un-kill in one night? If we assumed Ace Attorney
and Ghost Trick
took place near each other and the only major crimes that seem to take place there are murder and costumed burglary, what's a defense attorney to do when people suddenly stop dying in such numbers?
Matt Engarde is a former successful child star, and has been in show business a long time.
Well, he's only 21. How else
do you think he got that evil?
- Does that mean that Corrida is also a former child star?
- A slightly less successful child star. This feeling of inferiority led him to discover Matt's deep, dark, secret of totally having a crush on the red-headed girl from math class, even though girls have cooties. Juan then planned to expose this scandal, ruining Matt's 'no girls allowed like a spring breeze' image. This, in turn, led Matt to hire the school bully to give Juan a wedgie.
- I remember reading a forum post which mentioned how interesting it would be if Matt and Juan's rivalry started in childhood and escalated. You know, Matt flicked paint on Juan's head, then Juan stole Matt's pencil, and so on.
Maya Fey went to/is at law school
She was so disgusted with the bum rap Phoenix got when he was disbarred that she took as much money as the village had and went off to college, leaving Pearl in charge. Using whatever knowledge she gained from her time working with Phoenix she hoped to make sure no one go railroaded like that ever again. That was why she was gone during the missing years, and in the second Apollo Justice game she will make a triumphant return and start working at Wright and Co.
- Please let this be real?
- If this doesn't happen, I will cry.
- Okay, I was previously hoping that AA5 would be Phoenix-centric again, but now I think I'd rather be playing Maya Fey: Ace Attorney.
- Who would play the role of her assistant?
- I wish to submit this possibility to the court.
- If Capcom isn't already making this, then they're wasting their time! Maya uses her status as a defense attorney to defend the innocent, and to inspire Phoenix and remind him of why he became a lawyer in the first place.
- This can't be right... The prosecutors are the more 'outlandish' of the two, and you got to admit a Spirit Medium Attorney is as out there as previous ones!
- She should totally rip Godot off and become a prosecutor to see if Apollo is worthy of continuing the legacy.
- Perhaps Pearl could be her assistant?
Redd White was actually Morgan Fey's ex-husband
Morgan Fey was apparently originally married to a "wealthy jeweler", who left her due to the loss of face when Misty Fey took over power in the family and leaving Morgan's branch powerless. Redd White is wealthy, loves jewels (he wears tons of them), and is clearly obsessed with his public image. Which means, yes, that Redd White killed his own step-sister (Mia Fey).
- You mean that he killed his niece (Mia's mother was his sister-in-law).
- And got his sister in law disgraced.
- This is... unsettlingly plausible.
- Which means that Dahlia and Iris are...
- ...That makes so much sense. -ponders- He married Morgan to stimulate his business and when Misty took over because of her greater spiritual power, he plotted with Morgan to disgrace her. However, he wasn't going to wait twenty years and left her, taking his children with him and then being convinced to drop Iris off in Hazakura Temple. This theory certainly explains why you can show Morgan Mia's picture and she just smiles. Secretly thanking her bastard of a incarcerated ex? Hell yes! Plus, Dahlia seems to likes to dye her hair...
- Also, an explanation for why Dahlia has the surname 'Hawthorne': It's Redd's new wife's surname. Dahlia and Valerie were, presumably, plotting the fake kidnapping for some time, and considered themselves Hawthornes rather than Whites as a symbol of their contempt for their father (or in Valerie's case, step-father). Iris goes by no surname because she doesn't consider herself truly a Hawthorne or a Fey, and she certainly wouldn't want to be considered a White. Another theory is that Redd White simply changed his name after the Dusky Bridge faked kidnapping.
Ema and Klavier are secretly an item
It begins with a one-night stand shortly after "Turnabout Corner", and escalates from there. It's the real reason why Ema got assigned to watch over the Gavinners' concert. No amount of pull, even in the Ace Attorney work, gets a homicide detective working security. Getting your secret girlfriend to do it? Considerably easier. Plus, there seems to be just a little bit too much petty infighting, more than you'd get from someone you only occasionally work with.
Ema is secretly the Gavinner's backup drummer
Well, they said all the band members are involved with law enforcement, and she's a detective. She claimed to be working security at the concert because she didn't want to admit that much association with the glimmerous fop. She has no idea how she got roped into this. Really. The glimmerous fop's nice abs have nothing to do with it.
Kristoph Gavin has Dahlia Hawthorne's hand
After being arrested for the murders she committed, Kristoph was the defense attorney at Dahlia's trial. He was also present at her execution, and afterwards removed her right hand and sewed it onto himself, a la Ocelot. Since Dahlia was a Fey, her hand possessed channeling powers of its own.
This allowed Kristoph to channel Manfred von Karma, Damon Gant, Matt Engarde, and other villains, hence the "devil" in his hand.
This also explains his use of nail polish. A girl's hand has to look good, after all.
- Alternately he channeled her into his hand somehow as she is just as much the devil as Satan is.
- While I like this theory, I think it was (unfortunately) stated that Dahlia and Iris have very limited, if any, spiritual power, so I doubt that Kristoph would be able to do any channeling with her hand.
Von Karma's granddaughter is the main prosecutor for the 5th game
(Not Perfect Prosecutor) as in the one with the dog named Phoenix.
- If she does, she absolutely MUST be a Phoenix fan girl.
- JOSSED! For now. But let's hold out for the next games in the series, shall we?
The Attorney's badge is Phoenix's penis
1. Gumshoe regularly tells him it is nothing compared to his police badge, something real men have and that his small badge is always good for a laugh. Jake Marshall also mentions how pathetic it is, as does Dr. Grey.
2. Phoenix mentions he likes to whip in out whenever possible in the 2nd game, and Maya claims he likes showing it off.
3. It is his most cherished possession, overserve how incomplete he feels when it is taken in 2-3
4. Grossberg mentions he has really grown up from the sight of it in the first game.
Note how perfectly his first case goes, he never stole anything at that point!
in Apollo Justice is part of his training to become the fourth deKiller.
How many times did deKiller make that offer to Phoenix in JFA? After he lost his badge, Phoenix remembered the offer (and the fact that deKiller got a large roll of cash for one of his jobs) and took deKiller up on it. He already had the required intelligence, determination, and sense of trust between himself and his clients, and so the whole fourth game was a demonstration of his ability to orchestrate events. Since The Plan
worked without a hitch, he's now ready for deKiller to teach him the next step...
- What, it took him eight years to prove himself worthy of the deKiller name? Given deKiller's particular interest in him and his own state of despair/desperation after being disbarred, Phoenix has probably already been deKiller IV for several years prior to Apollo Justice. Phoenix's piano playing nets him a low profile, and his poker playing gives him connections to potential clients. He also still has the Magatama, so he won't make the same mistake Shelly made.
- *bangs gavel* Order! Order in the court! Would the witness kindly refrain from planting Poison Oak Epileptic Trees likely to destroy the respect we all have for the face of the franchise in this manner?!
Phoenix's Butt Monkey
qualities are due to being the reincarnation of Ami Fey
Related Guess: Phoenix carries a bit of Fey blood. How else does he see or hear Mia's spirit without having Maya or Pearl around to channel her? Also, Ami's Butt Monkey
status can be seen by what happens to the things most closely related to her. The Sacred Urn has been broken at least three times, and those are just in the last twenty years or so. That gold statue of hers and its sword have been involved in two murders in one year, one of those being Ami's direct descendant.
Winston Payne will be the protagonist of the next Ace Attorney Investigations.
- It will be a flashback to his glory days when he was still a Rookie Killer and had respect. He'll even have a cool investigation partner like Jake Marshall or something.
- Why would the janitor of the Prosecution Offices start solving crimes?
Because it would be funny (on a related note, Relative Error
MUST be her reaction to Trucy/Apollo)
- On that note, Maya turns out to take after her sister as well.
- The prosecution submits that being a pettanko is part of Maya's charm, as well as her personality. Unless they give Maya a personality redo like with Hobo!Nick, a flat chest will forever and always be associated with her.
- HOLD IT! Maya was still tiny at the age of 19. Pearl with Gag Boobs? Maybe. Maya? Nope.
- JOSSED! Pearl appears in Dual Destinies with a teenaged body. Judged by how she turned out, it appears that all of the chestfat among the Fey sisters was given to Mia.
- I will concede that Pearl is not particularly well-developed by Dual Destinies. However, unlike Maya, she still has time to fill out some more (it's not unheard of for girls to have a late-teen growth spurt). Certainly not to Mia-level, but she's already bigger than Maya was at the same age, and she may be bigger than Trucy as well (it's hard to tell).
Winston Payne is Daryan Crescend's father.
Based entirely on Payne's hair in case 3.1.
- Given the ages, it's completely biologically possible.
- And consider: Payne is a completely incompetent prosecutor. As shown in AAI, not even fellow prosecutors are entirely aware of who he is. But if his son (also in law enforcement, you may note) was part of the Gavinners, and the Judge was a Gavinners fangirl, it explains why Payne is still getting cases at all. Plus, Payne can't possibly be making enough money unless he has a famous son. New WMG: Payne won't get any more cases now that Daryan has been arrested.
- Well, the latest game has Gaspen Payne in Winston's stead...
In German versions of this game series, The Von Karmas And Klavier were trained in Japan
Think about it. In the original Japanese versions, the Von Karmas etc. were from America, and the regular lawyers from Japan, where the series takes place. In the American version, since the setting shifts to America, the prosecutors are now from Germany. In the German version of this game series (which I know there is one of, but I can't find any information on), the series will come full circle, and the Von Karmas and the like will be from Japan.
- Sorry, fellow troper, it's not the case. I have one of the European versions of JFA (comes with French and German language options as well as the regular English one.) And I can say from my playthrough of it in German that the Von Karmas, at least, are from Germany as much as they are in the English version. Would have been brilliant if it did go full circle like that, though.
are the Totalitarian Dictatorship from the previous WMGs.
Think about it. As mentioned above, the trials are ridiculous kangaroo courts. But they're still needed to maintain the facade of a free society, central to The Patriots goal of controlling information flow in society. Obviously, the Ace Attorney games take place in a continuity that is pre-2014 USA. Any discrepancies in the dates can be explained by Patriot information changing. Hell, the entire Ace Attorney series could be a LITERAL video game, in-universe: a VR simulation set up to train lawyers like Apollo to be like Phoenix Wright, the "Big Boss / Solid Snake" of the battlefield of the courtroom, after they got rid of him using fake evidence when he outlived his usefulness. Using Memes! Possibly... Maybe
. Any games with improvements in the perceived hijinks of the legal system are set after 2014 - when The Patriots were taken down. Any discrepancies there can be handwaved by the fact that the system is still recovering from having its "head" (The AI system) cut off.
This also explains why the games are set in Japan for Japan and California for the English release, while the characters seem to fit into any environment: The characters are all Patriot/Philosopher sleeper agents, in the same vein as EVA/Big Mama and ADAM/Adamshka/"Revolver" Ocelot. They can speak the language and act as natives of any land they are sent to, whether it be Japan or California.
- The crossover potential is amazing.
Specifically, in Underland. Think about it, the only people that ever seem to be up for trial are going to get the death penalty. It's been established that Baron Underbheit has established the death penalty for all infractions of Underlaw.
Logic and Trick 2009 will be named Logic and Fact
"Trick" doesn't suit Edgeworth at all. Fact does.
- An Alternate theory presented is that it will simply be called "Logic."
- Jossed, it's "Trick and Gimmick".
This series takes place in the Death Note
Only five years after the Kira case, and the world has already bounced back aaaaall the way. No reason for it, except it would be cool.
- Expounding on this a bit: The United States overreacted after the Kira case and went too far in the other direction, declared martial law, and suspended Habeas corpus. The government would now rather put innocents to death than risk the appearance of another Kira, especially not within its own borders.
The Phoenix Wright in the fourth game isn't the real Phoenix.
He is in fact Sanae Hanekoma
, disguised as Phoenix. Note the stubble, mysteriousness, refusal to give a straight answer, and all-around Chessmaster-ism
that Phoenix "Stupidity Is the Only Option
" Wright could never master. Also, his ability to escape being hit by a speeding car into a light pole
with only minor injuries is because he's actually an Angel
In the Discworld
books, it is frequently stated that one-in-a-million chances happen nine times out of ten. Most of the events and circumstances surrounding Phoenix's cases are one-in-a-million chances. Phoenix is a descendant of Granny Weatherwax, which is why he's so good at making up Ass Pull
explanations that end up being right (and it also would explain a lot about his personality and actions in Apollo Justice). The reason why magic and non-humans don't exist any more is simply because people stopped believing in them. (Hey, it works for the anthropomorphic personifications, as proven in Hogfather
- OBJECTION! Clearly the candidate for being Granny Weatherwax's descendant is Damon Gant. I submit to you as evidence his ability to stare into your soul!
- Mustrum Ridcully seems like a better candidate for Damon Gant's ancestor than Granny Weatherwax.
- HOLD IT! Esmerelda Weatherwax is clearly established to have gone straight from being the Maiden to being the... Other One without ever meeting the technical requirements to be the Mother! Therefore, it is impossible that anyone is her descendent]]!
Phoenix will become a Godot-esque character
Being so badly damaged by the Gramarye case, he will retake the bar exam – as a prosecutor. Then, he will face down Apollo in the courtroom. Why? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE EPIC
- And he'd never drink more than 17 bottles of "grape juice" per trial.
- JOSSED. In between Apollo Justice and Dual Destinies, Phoenix retakes the bar and goes back to his old job as a defense attorney.
Phoenix prefers noodles to burgers.
This goes a long way toward reconciling the burgers/noodles translation inconsistency between games 1-3 and 4. Maya, as established in the original trilogy of games, prefers burgers, and most of the time, it was easier to cave to her demands than to put up with a whiny Maya who had been deprived of burgers. They did occasionally eat at the noodle stand, just often enough to justify Guy Eldoon's statement that they ate there when Phoenix was a lawyer. Once Maya returned to Kurain village to focus on her training and become the new Master, Phoenix more or less stopped going for burgers at all and started eating noodles all the time instead. Trucy has picked up her father's liking for noodles, because she's more or less grown up eating them.
- Considering that in the Japanese version, Mayoi liked ramen (in lieu of burgers), this may not be far off.
After each game, reality changes
Everything in the next game has better sprites. This isn't because of artistic ability of the artists getting better, but after each time Phoenix goes around recollecting about the events of the game in question (credits), everyone he hasn't met becomes better shaded. It's a coincidence that everyone he hasn't met gets better drawn. 3-1 and 3-4 are him reading about the cases; that's how he imagines them.
I hold as evidence that the collective writers here have, on several occasions, slipped into character, or at least used the various catchphrases from the games. This also tends to occur in just about any Ace Attorney-related thread Neo Silver Thorn
has ever read. As such, it leads me to believe that the games are, in fact, an experiment in memetic mutation that Capcom is performing on the gaming community.
- OBJECTION! I object! That was...damn it.
- ::bows:: Your honor, the prosecution would like to thank the defense for proving its point.
The WMG above in mind, the Ace Attorney series is created, not by Capcom, but by the La Li Lu Le Lo.
It's all an exercise in using memes to control the populace- and it's a resounding success. As a sidenote- since the La Li Lu Le Lo were defeated in 2014, does that mean the Ace Attorney series has run its last game? And if it has.... is that good or bad? Side-sidenote- who was the jerk who edited my post from saying 'La Li Lu Le Lo' to saying 'La Li Lu Le Lo'- wait a minute....
Machi smuggled in the cocoon in order to pay for Lamiroir's eye surgery
She really means a lot to him, we can see that, and I can't see him wanting the money for himself. Not only that, it's not long after the end of the trial when she decides to get her eyes fixed. (Seemingly on the suggestion of Phoenix, who already pieced it together.)
- OBJECTION! The Borginian Cocoon in question was smuggled in quite some time before the case actually happened (if I recall correctly, at least a month?), according to when Prosecutor Gavin and Lamiroir met, which would mean long before Mr Wright ever met Lamiroir. Lamiroir stated to both Mr Justice and Ms Wright that she was afraid to remember what kind of person used to be. She tells Mr Justice that she fears that being able to see again will bring forth this terrifying truth. *taps paper smartly* The young Mr Tobaye claims in his testimony that he "needed" the money, with implication that he needed it immediately. Furthermore, if he needed a great sum of money, enough to risk his own life, it implies he does not often have a lot of it to begin with and that the why he wanted it was likewise life-threatening. Would that not raise suspicion to Lamiroir as to where he obtained enough money out of the blue to give her a surgery for a non-life threatening issue? While the defence's reason is plausible, so long as Lamiroir's injury was not life-threatening, the prosecution finds it hard to believe that Mr Tobaye, a fourteen year old child, would gamble everything for some petty cash over a surgery he knows the recipient does not desire.
Lamiroir's blindness and amnesia were not due to physical damage.
Lamiroir is blind and amnesiac after an accident, but doesn't appear to have any scaring around her head, which lead me to wonder what was going on. Remember how she doesn't want to remember who she is? In certain cases of psychological trauma, people can blank out their memories - and sometimes, they can also force themselves to lose their vision. Lamiroir, when she first appears, isn't just worried about getting her vision and memory back, she's actively stopping her own body from remembering.
During case 4-3, sometime after she is attacked
Lamiroir gets to thinking about it. During court, just before she translates for Machi, that's when she decides that she wants to remember. At that point, everything floods back to her... just in time for her to see her son and daughter working together
But that goes against the game, correct? At the end of 4-3, Phoenix remarks that a doctor examined her and found her blindness was due to an accident? ...But at this point, he knows she's Thalassa Gramarye
and is actually playing along with her lies. After all, she's just been in the hospital
, so it makes sense that a doctor would see her then. Plus, we all know Phoenix is a bit of a sneaker barsteward at this point.
- Given that in Case 4-4, there's a rather non sequitur bit of dialogue between the conclusion of the MASON system and the start of the last day of trial, the timeline proposed by this WMG seems to be disproven. To quote: Something inside me... rising... surfacing... Something important... lost long ago... it's close now... so close. Although it's never directly explained, it's quite obvious that's supposed to be Lamiroir on the verge of regaining her memories.
Phoenix is not just pointing enthusiastically, he is throwing small objects at the others in the court
This is why the witness always looks like they're being hit physically.
Maya was not originally going to be in this picture
Namely this one◊
Namely Capcom was worried that if it was just Mia Fey and April May like that then people would get the wrong idea of what the game is really like. So Maya was added in to hopefully make things seem more innocuous, but like other examples of censorship whether it actually does do that is of course up to you.
- Why is April May even in that picture? She was an accomplice to Mia's murder and gave testimony in an attempt to get Maya arrested for it.
- Probably because April is the only other female character in that case and Capcom thought that was a justifiable enough reason.
- It would have been better if they just had Mia and Maya hugging each other in a sisterly way.
Mia entrusted Maya to Diego.
Basically, in the second case of the first game, Maya mentions the law firm Mia said for her to go to if she was ever in trouble. Note that Maya never mentions the name of the lawyer himself. Now, look at Grossberg. From what we can tell, he's a bit of a coward, he complains, and from what we can tell, he kind of annoyed Mia when she was a new lawyer. Why would she entrust her sister to him? It's more likely that she was actually entrusting her sister to Diego, who was A) a lot more calm and reliable than Grossberg, and B) comforted her after her first, traumatic trial.
During the seven-year break between AAs 3 and 4, Phoenix single-handedly shut down the black market.
In the second case of AA2, the victim had bought a gun from the black market. In the first case of AA4, Nick claims that the black market is a thing of the past. How could he know for certain? Because he destroyed it
; he had to do something
to pass the time before he had the idea of becoming a poker pro.
- However, that just might have something to do with Edgeworth's brilliant disruption of a major crime syndicate in Investigations.
Another game will be made, detailing Phoenix's adventures as a non-attorney in the seven-year break.
He'll become a bit less of a Non-Action Guy
, as well; replacing his ubiquitous Attorney's Badge will be the Phoenix Rising Uppercut. (Based on his comment on Apollo's uppercut at the end of AA4, case 1:
Phoenix: "Oh, about your uppercut. Try yelling 'Take That!' next time. I find it packs a little more punch."
He "finds" that it packs more punch. In other words, he learned from experience
. Experience punching people
- Phoenix Wright: Ace Piano: Pokerface and Punching... I think you are onto something.
Both have their unique blend of wacky antics, improbable situations, and a somewhat lighthearted take on Serious Business
along with all the drama and tragedy. And along with the similar settings... Ted has gotta be related to Winston Payne somehow. He's just gotta be. Perhaps a cousin or a stepsibling or a half-brother or... something. They've got the incompetence, the Butt Monkeyness
, and they're almost identical. And the ninth season of Scrubs
will be like what Apollo Justice was to Phoenix Wright: New rookies step in while a few characters from the first series reprise their roles and become mentors while the setting remains primarily the same with a few changes.
Mind reading is a common ability in the Phoenix Wright universe.
You just have to learn it! Everyone seems able to read Phoenix's mind and replies to what he says without him even opening his mouth.
Phoenix is a telepath.
His mind-reading is less than developed, but he does have the ability to project thoughts to others. This explains how come his partner du jour
can always read his blue 'thought' text. Not only that, it explains exactly what he does when he presents evidence or profiles. He doesn't show an object or a photograph; instead, he plants an image of the object or person into his target's mind. Since Apollo studied Phoenix's cases and his signature attorney style, he also studied telepathy and learned to project thoughts in the same manner.
- On the other hand, the blue text could just be Phoenix talking to himself, like in an aside or soliloquy in a play. Given the script-like nature of characters' speech, it's not that far of a leap, and his partner's proximity to him would allow him to privately share certain thoughts.
- OBJECTION!] In the first game, third case, Edgeworth answers to the blue text a few times, and then Phoenix says something among the lines of How does he know what I'm thinking? and then Edgeworth answers this. But not with I don't. You're just talking to yourself. Because the blue text is not Phoenix talking to himself.
The prosecutors do not actually have the authority to cut Gumshoe's pay.
Gumshoe just thinks they do, and they keep saying they're going to to screw with him. This explains why he never seems to be so broke that he can't afford food and rent, despite being told that his pay's been cut half a dozen times each game. Klavier doesn't threaten to cut Ema's pay because she knows perfectly well that he can't, and probably snackoo'd the hell out of him if he ever tried.
The three-day bench trials started as a sort of "minor league" of the justice system.
Think about it – a half-senile judge and his just plain screwy brother, incredibly
low standards of courtroom etiquette, eccentric prosecutors, no plea option, and convictions are automatically retried. Despite the rhetoric about rising crime rates, the real rationale for the new court was to assuage public dissatisfaction with plea deals with a visible "day in court", while also quickly getting weak cases where acquittal was almost inevitable off the docket. To everyone's surprise, "The Great Judgini" ended up mostly handing down solid verdicts that stood up in higher courts, and the preliminary trials became such Serious Business
that it was the retrial
that was considered a formality.
Godot has some severe, ADHD-type manic thing.
The coffee is self-medication. Without it
, he'd barely be able to pay attention to the evidence, and would be painting his case on the walls of the court in chalk just to help concentrate
. He's so laid back because he errs on the side of caution, and if he acted any more excitable he'd never be able to make it between recesses without a Bladder Failure
from all the coffee. The "red on white" vision issue may be a result of stress-related ocular trauma (such as constant but mild hemhorrage that tint everything
red, he's just not good at telling colour by shade, and the visor affects light in some way that makes it easier to differentiate "red-tinted red" and "red-tinted white") rather than or in addition to the poison, or it could be entirely unrelated.
If the above guess that the Ace Attorney court is the minor leagues of the judicial system, this is probably why Godot isn't in the Major League- they wouldn't let him keep up the caffeine habit, and he'd therefore be useless as a lawyer.
Ema Skye hooked up with Franziska von Karma while studying abroad
Look at Ema's oh-so-condescending expression and tell me she could have learned it from anyone else. The relationship likely didn't end well – Ema probably got fed up with the perfection obsession and so ended up with a deliberately 'take it easy' attitude – but it could have started easily enough. Ema interns at the German Department of Justice equivalent, meets Franny on a case, Phoenix comes up in conversation, Ema defends him against accusations of being a foolish fool, things get heated, and suddenly everyone's clothes are on the floor.
- This may be one of the best things I have ever read.
- Where does this put Adrian?
His true self finally comes out after "calling himself" on the wristphone...and when he used it earlier, in jail, Phoenix doubted that he could get a signal. This would also nicely explain the total lack of Psyche-locks..."he" actually doesn't know what he did. At some point in the past, he actually took Method acting to the point of insanity, and created a "cover" personality that would be far more publically acceptable, and only dimly knew of him, likely believing any communication between the two personalities to be literal calls.
- OBJECTION! If that were the case, then going by Dual Destinies, Matt Engarde would still have Psyche-locks: black ones, in fact.
The Judge and Manfred von Karma share a grandchild
So, according to Court-Records.net, the Judge has a grandchild, name and gender unknown. According to Game 1, Case 4 we know that vKarma also
has a grandchild. Wouldn't it be fun if the grandchild was the result of the Judge's (potential) Son, and vKarmas other daughter?
Zak (or Maginifi) got rid of Apollo
Think about it. When she comes back to the troupe, she brings her son (Apollo) with her. Both Zak and Magnifi are well-established jerks, so it's not beyond them to seperate Apollo from Thalassa for whatever reasons. It doesn't seem Trucy ever knew him until the 4th game, so it must have happened pretty quickly.
- "I also have a son." "Not any more, you don't! * dropkicks offscreen* "
- Well... I disagree. After doing some math, you'd know Thalassa was seventeen when she got married (she was married for about a year, in which Apollo was born to her, and she was 40 in the game while Apollo was 22, making her 18 when she had him). Apollo was born right around the time her husband died, again while she was only 18. Being a teenage widow and mother, she may have given up her newborn baby in a fit of despair about her husband's sudden death and possibly because she didn't think she could handle being a single mother. She gave him one of her bracelets because she did genuinely love her son and wanted to give him something that would forever indicate him as a member of her family, as the bracelets are a family heirloom. Giving up Apollo may have been an attempt to avoid being reminded daily that she'd once been married. Zak and Magnifi might have been jerkasses, but me, I always thought Magnifi blackmailing Zak and Valant was punishment for harming his daughter (albeit a really twisted punishment), as (to me anyway) he didn't seem like a jerkass at all when giving Zak the rights to his show. Valant was a bigger jerkass than him by blaming Zak for murdering Magnifi when there was no murder in a fit of envy. With Zak, I still can't work out what he did that made him such a jerkass. He disappeared, yes, but Phoenix would have been screwed over either way and he definitely loved his daughter very, very much and wouldn't have left her unless he didn't think he had a choice. People, as much as everyone would like to think, don't always think logically, so what happened with them may have been a case of Reality Ensues.
The Gramayres were originally from Borginia
At the very least, Magnifi and Thalassa lived there; Zak and Valant may or may not have come from there as well. When Thalassa/Lamiroir woke up in Borginia without her memory, she didn't magically aquire a new language while forgetting her own. She defaulted back to her first language, which would have been more deeply ingrained in her mind anyway.
His real last name is Damon, after all.
He'd be roughly around the same age as Gant by the time of the Ace Attorney games, has being annoying down to an art form (although his really long pauses could use some work) and really really hates criminals to the point of forging evidence to get them convicted.
- OBJECTION! Jeff Angel was 18 in 1979. By 2017 he would only have been 56. Damon Gant is 65 in 2017. A CLEAR CONTRADICTION! Also, Jeff turned himself in to the police for robbery at then end of Hotel Dusk. *cue Speed Stripes* There's no way someone with a criminal record could become chief of police!
How cool would that
Manfred von Karma was a demon who was stuck on earth.
Sort of connected to the "Phoenix Wright is connected to the Buffyverse" at the top.
Manfred von Karma was a demon/demonic being who did something to piss off the ruler of Hell, and as a punishment he is sent to Earth until he learns "failure", at which point he will be dragged back to Hell to serve the kind of punishment only humans receive there. Once on earth, he decides he kind of likes
being evil there, and he decides to become a prosecuter using his connections with various non-human beings to forge evidence, and never
feel failure. However, Gregdeworth manages to mark his record. vKarma is shocked, and nervous about going back to Hell, when he gets shot. It is because of his non-human abilities that he is able to shoot Gredgworth, and not have to go to a doctor about the bullet in his shoulder. Because of his actions, he no longer feels like he failed, pissing off the ruler of Hell/whoever punished him. It is only years later, when he loses to Phoenix Wright that he truley feels failure, and when he dies, he goes to Hell/whatever you want to call it. Franziska, however, being a Half-Human Hybrid
, has the compulsion for non-failure, but it isn't as strong as it was in her father, allowing her to break away from the compulsion.
Manfred von Karma made a deal with the Devil.
This is a more sensible version of the WMG above.
Manfred von Karma made a Deal with the Devil
for something. (Maybe a child who was just like him
?), the price being that he would go to Hell as soon as he felt true failure. He killed Edgey-Daddy, and so the black mark that Edgey-Daddy gave him didn't feel like a 'failure', however when Phoenix Wright beat him, he felt true and utter failure, and the contract was fulfilled, meaning that the child that was just like him
(Franziska) was no longer just like him, and was able to grow and change as evidence by her breaking down in front of Edgeworth, and learning that there is more then just "perfection" in life.
The defendants in all of Manfred von Karma's trials prior to the Gourd Lake Incident WERE actually guilty.
In the 4th case of Investigations, it is alluded to that he has a great respect for the law and hates criminals to a T. Mack Rell was actually guilty, after all. He would only pick cases where he was absolutely very sure that the defendant was guilty, helping to sustain his easy 40-year streak of wins. Von Karma decided to prosecute Edgeworth because he planned all of this, aware of the talent of Phoenix Wright which led the trial to its end so he could see Edgeworth's confession to the court about DL-6
. Von Karma went into this case fully aware he would lose as far as Edgeworth supposedly murdering Robert Hammond
. Remember how not angry he was when this was proven? He fully expected this. He only broke down when Phoenix managed to prove that Edgeworth didnt shoot Gregory Edgeworth
- Unfortunately, as of Ace Attorney Investigations 2, it's proven that in the trial that led to the DL-6 incident Von Karma had an innocent man convicted. Oddly, he wasn't personally responsible for the forged evidence.
Maya Fey is bulimic.
She's rail-thin and is implied to regularly eat multiple burgers at a single meal. Phoenix is aware but in denial; his constantly cleaning the toilet is, in part, an attempt to hide the evidence.
It can hold statues, spears, cameras on stands, fishing rods, metal detectors, dogs
, a parrot, dancing cardboard badgers, jars, CSI equipment, folding screens, monkeys, dead lions, trunks, umbrellas, sacred swords, jockey calendars, cane swords, glass bottles, noodle stands...
The explanation is: Each attorney involved with a case is given a small portal to the case's assigned phantom zone and all evidence they find or need can be conveniently stored or accessed through such medium.
- Also, consider that Ace Attorney Investigatons (the only game in the series that does not involve trials) does not have a Court Record, instead having the pieces of evidence written down. This is obviously because within the game, Edgeworth is not in any actual trials, and thus does not have access to the Court Record.
- Have you ever considered that they just take pictures of the evidence?
- OBJECTION! On several occasions, the objects are manipulated and even assembled during the trial (this happens, for example, with the Unstable Jar on Rise From The Ashes), which disallows the possibility of mere photographic proof. The object would need to be present in order to be looked from every point of view and being able to be assembled correctly (a photograph, no matter how many pictures you might take, would distort the sides and the jagged parts of the jar due to perspective problems).
- OBJECTION!, in the Gyakuten Saiban movie, it is shown that evidence is shown at holographic panels or something like that.
In the interim between Ace Attorney Investigations and Ace Attorney 4, Larry Butz becomes a lawyer.
Devastated by Phoenix's disbarring, he finally gets off his ass and commits himself to becoming a defense attorney, in order to prove his best friend's innocence. However, he ends up getting roped into joining Kristoph Gavin's office and becomes an Unwitting Pawn
as a fallback plan, eventually becoming convinced that Phoenix really was a phony and did deserve to be disbarred. A future game will have him confront Phoenix about this, kill him out of anger, then cover it up and go after Apollo Justice to ruin his reputation and crush Phoenix's legacy, ending with him finally realizing through Apollo's expert defense that he'd been had and committing suicide in his despair
Kristoph Gavin is a disciple of Manfred von Karma
When Kristoph and Klavier were children, von Karma was training Edgeworth as part of his revenge. However, Manfred had also noticed the resolution in Miles's friend, Phoenix, and predicted he would become the one attorney that, with Edgeworth's help, could bring an end to him in time. As such, he set a second gambit in motion; he murdered Mr. and Mrs. Gavin, lightly trained Klavier as a prosecutor and took Kristoph under his intellectual wing, teaching him to be obsessed with personal perfection and instructing him to become a defense attorney in order to eliminate Phoenix when the time came.
- ... WTF
- Well, where else would he get the notion to destroy one of his professional opponents and murder everyone else involved in such a psychopathic manner?
- He also learned to punch the stand/desk instead of slamming it. Needless to say, Kristoph improved the technique.
Alternately, Kristoph Gavin's mentor was Aristotle Means
that Klavier is a Themis alumni; why not his brother, as well? And with Means in charge of the Defense Attorney department at Themis, it would have been almost impossible for Kristoph to not
cross paths with him at some point.
- Heck, why would not both Manfred and Kristoph have him as their mentor?
- Seeing as Manfred was born in 1951 and Means was born in 1982, I highly doubt it. In fact, it's more likely that Manfred mentored Means, who later went on to mentor Kristoph.
Apollo Justice's biological father is Damon Gant.
Based on the first three posts in this
- Is is surprisingly plausible. I think I need to go lie down for a little bit...
- OBJECTION! Part of the testimony in that thread has a clear contradiction! See the final post at the bottom of the page here.
- OBJECTION! Your contradiction holds no water, as shown p41244 here
- And here's another something linking Thalassa to Leto, which the poster seems to have missed: Leto is goddess of "being unseen." Who, pray tell, was blind for a while?
- The only aspect of this that I don't like is that Gant is about 32 years older than Thalassa. To put it in another term, he's literally the same age as Magnifi, possibly a year older. I can totally see Gant being his grandfather though, and he just unconsciously mimics his paternal grandfather.
Klavier Gavin and Ema Skye will be part of the Second Yatagarasu
To compliment Wright-DeKiller WMG.
- In Apollo Justice Ema didn't actually flunk out of forensic school, she chose to come back to help Kay as a detective.
- That's why she's acting as security at the Gavinners concert, she's really watching for evidence of the cocoon smuggling ring.
- OBJECTION! Kay specified girls of around the same age. Replace Klavier with Maya Fey. She would act as the defense attorney with Kay as the prosecutor. Kay said she wanted the second Yagaratsu to be a team of three attractive women. With two previous Wild Mass Guessing devoted to discussion of how Kay and Ema are hot and considering Maya's sister, this could work.
- OBJECTION! Maya never meets Ema or Kay. Replace Maya with Franny. The Yatagarasu needs three skillsets. Kay provides the infiltration and uses Little Thief, Ema is the investigator who covers up evidence and uses her mad science skillz, Franny controls the courts and uses her Interpol contacts to find the information for Kay to steal.
- I vote for Ron DeLite being the third, personally. (You can't tell me he isn't pretty enough or girly enough! Not without lying.)
- Personally, I always thought it would be Kay, Maya and Trucy. The three sidekicks from each each arc, coming together as one. Kay would provide Little Thief, Maya would provide spiritual aid, and Trucy would provide her magical prowess.
Shi-long Lang is a gay wolf furry
That explains the adherance to the wolf motiif and the skin tight leather
- Well, the character designer did want him to be shirtless...
In the seven-year gap between the Phoenix and Apollo games, Edgeworth, Gumshoe, and Kay become the second Yatagarasu.
I can't be the only one who saw the connection. Both generations would be formed of a noble prosecutor, a trusted detective, and a hot chick. Besides, they need to do something.
- That can't possibly last. Putting Gumshoe in charge of concealing evidence?
- Of course. He... er... "loses" it.
- Gumshoe was at the breakup of the first Yatagarasu, and got the idea to continue the legacy. He's been the second one all along and is really just Obfuscating Stupidity so no one will suspect him. After he meets Kay they have a conversation about their mutual interests and team up, and Edgeworth gets suspicious after a while.
Quercus Alba is related to ExDeath
He is clearly a human-shaped tree.
- HOLD IT! I'm more than fairly certain Alba wasn't created from a thousand evil souls being sealed into a tree. But I applaud your reference of the evil tree.
- Quercus Alba is the exact inverse of Exdeath: he is a thousand evil trees sealed into a man.
The judge will be a defendant soon enough.
Think about it; everyone eventually returns either as a defendant or as a corpse. Eventually, the judge (whose name will likely never show up) will be picked for one of them, and seeing as EVERY trial needs a judge, they can't afford to kill him off.
- The Judge can't be a defendant and a judge at the same time either, so in either scenario his brother will have to come to reside over the court proceedings. Cue dramatic flashbacks and insight into both judge's characters, and an enormous plot twist when it's revealed that the bailiff did it.
- Meekins? Seriously?
- It's an accident, he kills someone with his crazy arm waving and the Judge taking pity tries to cover for him. Of course it turns out it's all a set up by some diabolical mastermind.
Come Apollo Justice 2, some characters from Phoenix's days will show up
While some are painfully obvious, there are many ways this could happen:
- Gumshoe: He'll be one of the people Apollo has to defend or the detective in a case where you defend Ema.
- Maya: Either the above lawyer reasoning, Kruian master or a defendant.
- Pearls: Prosecutor, assistant to Maya or defendant
- Judge's brother: See the above Judge is a defendant WMG
- Edgeworth and Fraziska: Cameos, witnesses and/or prosecutor/defendant, depending on the person
- Larry: it's Larry, he'll get into trouble somehow
- Payne: But thats a given
- Mia: Either in a "Play as Phoenix" case, or in one of the above Maya/Pearls cases. May or may not involve giving Apollo a charged Magatama.
Edgeworth is a robot.
In the first case of Ace Attorney Investigations
, Edgeworth explicitly discusses
the mechanics behind the revolutionary new "think before you speak" system. However, when he talks about "tapping the Logic button", he has his finger to his temple. On top of that, the image showed every time the Logic menu is opened is... the same image of Edgeworth tapping his temple. He's not simply painting the fourth wall; as a robot, he actually does have a button there that accesses his memory banks and overcharges his positronic brain for the sake of making connections.
- A very interesting WMG. A robot that ages, I suspect you mean? Would it be that Gregory Edgeworth made him and Manfred reprogrammed him after DL-6? Do earthquakes make him malfunction, thus the 'passing out' in AAI case 2? I would be quite happy if you expanded on this, because you seem to know what you're talking about.
- Not the same troper, but trying it anyways. It would also explain why Edgeworth is not interested in women, but shows affection for his fellow men: Women are different, and men look more like him. It's just his progaming saying that "Different is bad, Look-alike is good", like many programs. On that same line of thought, it would explain the vast number of awards and cases he's been on and won. He's a robot. He can work much more than the ordinary human without getting tired. And for the ending: To justify his fanboyism with The Steel Samurai, Edgey often states that "Other people cannot grasp at the deep meaning of the show.". It sounds like a lame excuse, but think about it: The logical mind of a robot is the most suited to say if a show has actually meaningful messages or not!
The "Little Thief" system shown in Ace Attorney Investigations is a precursor to the MASON System in Apollo Justice
, when we first see the "Little Thief" system, we know it's before Apollo Justice for several reasons, one of which being that the Gavinners are the group playing on the stage in the kidnapping case.
So, what's to say that, during the break between AAI and AJ Edgeworth doesn't manage to get his hand on a version of "Little Thief". Somehow it gets to Phoenix, and Phoenix creates a virtual "time machine" that is the MASON System. That's why you may have to find something in the "future" before you can present it in the "past"- because you're not actually going between the two time periods in a logical, orderly manner!
- Also, it seems highly unlikely that Phoenix became a master programer before AJ. Alternatively, Kay could helped program the MASON system. Phoenix asks Miles for help with the jury system being reinstated and Miles contacts Kay to see if she could help with this project.
- Grins, yeah, though with all the other stuff Phoenix gets into doing... Of course, that could (sort of) explan why Edgeworth was gone during the main events of AJ, he was getting the MASON system working for Phoenix, who was so cool he knew he needed it. X3
In the Orwellian world, the Gramaryes would be the perfect candidates for identifying any subconscious twitch or contraction that could give away a person's thoughts... the inner party would have a field day with these guys.
- Objection! 1984 takes place in... it should be obvious, while the games take place quite a few years later. How exactly do you expect your theory to hold up, witness?
- Objection! *grins and leans forward over the bench* Ja, that's true, Herr Forehead, but isn't it possible this witness is referring not to the current generation of Gramaryes, but to the past? After all, *objection point* Magnifi Gramarye was most certainly around in 1984, as his lovely daughter was both just two years later.
Kay will next show up as a opponent for Apollo in his next game
Specifically she goes to law school to follow in her father's footsteps and becomes Edgeworth's apprentice. The game will be basically Edgeworth and Phoenix passive aggressively sniping at each other through surrogates like competitive parents vicariously fighting through their children. It will be hilarious.
- ... This sounds really cool. I might be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
- Also added to the mix could be Franziska's niece who was trained by Franziska.
- And whose Courtroom Antic is her dog named Phoenix. Cue "Not you, the dog," and other related humor.
Kay will next show up in her own Investigations style game
Where she as Edgeworth's successor(and maybe part of the new Yatagarasu on the side) takes Edgeworth's investigative role and goes to trial unlike Edgeworth Investigates
. Having to deal with a competitive and lecherous Klavier, a older and even more bumbling OVER PROMOTED Chief Gumshoe, a surly and bitter Ema (who doesn't
like that Kay actually managed to reach her dream) and goes up against Apollo and others such as older more disgusting Grossman. One case will be against a newly reinstated Phoenix defending Maya, which will be unwinnable, because Phoenix as his new Chessmastery
self will the universe's resident Ace
- OBJECTION!]] Isn't it because law is hindered and can't always bring about truth the reason that Kay becomes the Yatagarasu? One would think she'd find being the Yatagarasu more valuable than being a lawyer, and invest her full time in it. Plus, Kay comes across as a kleptomaniac even outside of stealing 'the truth', considering how she's always talking about stealing everything in sight (or even intangible things like lines and jobs).
Shi-Long Lang really is a werewolf.
He doesn't make much of an effort to hide it. This is because werewolves are in fact commonplace in the AA verse - that Phoenix and Apollo do not meet any in-game is mere coincidence.
- Possibly, the werewolves are unknown to the major public, and Shi-Long relies on Refuge in Audacity.
Wolf flew a little too far towards the edge of the universe and ended up in Zheng Fa. The only way he can get back to the Lylat system is to take down the Interpol agents whom hold the secret to universe-to-universe hopping.
Kristoph Gavin defended Quercus Alba
would want the best lawyer around to take his case, but seeing as Edgeworth handled the investigation Phoenix and his known associates would refuse the case as they would conclude that he's guilty. Who amongst defense attorneys at the time is both known to be exceedingly skilled and amoral
enough to want to defend him? Not to mention, despite losing his ambassadorship
, Alba probably still has a lot of fame and wealth
; a client of that nature would match Kristoph's M.O. to a T. Oh, and it even adds another layer to his Disproportionate Retribution
; we know from a credits sequence in Investigations
was found guilty, which would mean that Gavin lost to Edgeworth in court: "Not only did I lose Zak's case to this second-rate defense attorney, he's even a known associate of that prosecutor I lost to last month! HE MUST PAY!"
- ...This is awesome.
- This is now my headcanon.
Closed eyes are an almost sure sign on evil.
Thins about it. If a character spends a lot of the time with their eyes closed, chances are they are the real killer. The cutoff point for how much time they spend with their eyes closed seems to be somewhere between Larry Butz and Damon Gant. Anyways, characters who spend a lot of time with their eyes closed include.
- Frank Sahwit
- Damon Gant
- Ini Miney
- Kristoph Gavin
- De Killer
- Big Wins Kitaki: A mafia boss
- ...who turns out to be not so bad... when he opens his eyes, of course!
- Ernest Amano
- Marvin Grossberg?
- Well, Marvin Grossberg did rat out Misty Fey, which in turn caused pretty much everything bad that happened to the Fey family in the series. That's pretty evil when you think about it.
- Also there's Director Hotti, but he so obviously fits into the hypothesis it's not worth discussing.
I haven't seen all of the cases yet (I'm still working my way through the second game) but the only other people I see who can make a claim to this are Larry Butz and Lotta Hart, and they both are selfish butt monkeys
who keep on getting in your way. Maybe they're just less evil.
- OBJECTION! ::desk slam:: I-5 gives us Colias Palaeno, with closed eyes 90% of the time but turns out to be a really nice guy. Further, after Quercus Alba undergoes The Reveal, his eyes hardly stay closed throughout the rest of the case! ::point:: This clearly contradicts your hypothesis!
- Kinda justified, because by the last case of the most recent game people are bound to pick up on something like that subconsciously, and I can't be the only one who thought that the game was trying to make me hate Palaeno.
Calisto Yew is Kay's mother
I have no proof for this other than this would be another Faraday threatened by their mother
- OBJECTION! Assuming her cited age in I-4 is correct (it wouldn't be the only thing she's made up), she would have been twelve when Kay was born! A clear contradiction!
- HOLD IT! Assuming that Shih-Na's age is correct then Calisto could be any age. The age of one fake persona should have no relevance on the age of the actual person. Ergo, the previous statement is based on false evidence and is circumstantial at best!
- HOLD IT! Where's your evidence of Shih-Na's age? It clearly says in her profile "Age: ??"!
- Byrne and Tyrell only met Calisto after the KG-9 incident, Tyrell says that she knew Kay sice she was born, there was no reason at all for Byrne or anybody to hide that Calisto was his wife or Kay's mother and finally Kay obviously knows who her mother was, seeing as she went to live with her relatives after his father's death, and nobody really knew Calisto all that well seeing as nobody figured that she wasn't Cece's sister until much later, there is just no way she could be her mother.
Ghost Trick will take place in the Ace Attorney universe
The game will be made by the same company and even the same designer, after all. And it is about the afterlife. I see no reason why Capcom can't have the games share the same universe, just like Valve did with Half-Life
. Or Cing's Another Code
and Hotel Dusk: Room 215
series (possibly Again!!
It's been a while since I played Apollo Justice
so please bear with me, but I don't think we ever got to know his motive for smuggling the cocoon out of Borginia other than that "he was a greedy Jerk Ass
" (I'd like to think that Machi's motive for helping him was because of Lamiroir, though). This would explain a lot, especially since the ending for AAI implies that the ring is still alive, except with a new leader.
- OBJECTION! ::slams desk:: We know full well that his reason for the smuggling was ::close-up, speed lines:: to obtain a cure for the Chief Justice's son!
- HOLD IT! Who says it can't be both reasons? He needed the cocoon for the Chief Justice's son, but who's to say that he didn't work with the Syndicate to complete his goal?
- HOLD IT! Where's your evidence that... ::points:: ...anyone other than Crescend and Machi was involved in the smuggling? ::slams desk:: Your only basis for this claim was the apparent lack of motive... ::close-up, speed lines:: ...which has already been proven false!
- OBJECTION! ::desk slam:: Being a member of the smuggling ring requires that the smuggling ring still exists at the time! However, according to the testimony of one Miles Edgeworth during the closing sequence, with the help of information from Quercus Alba as uncovered in court... ::pointing:: large-scale operations were begun to clean up the ring! Further, he refers to... ::desk slam, close-up, speed lines:: the demise of [the] smuggling ring! That is indisputable testimony that the smuggling ring no longer exists!
- The ring itself may have been demolished, but it's possible that some of the members slipped through the cracks. Perhaps Daryan was a member of the smuggling ring when he was younger and was planted as a police detective to be The Mole. When the smuggling ring's leader was arrested in Investigations, he lost his ties to the ring and ended up Becoming the Mask and actually living as the Police Detective everybody believed him to be. During Case 4-3, some members of the smuggling ring who escaped contacted him and blackmailed him into smuggling the cocoon by threatening to spill the beans about his past. After all, being a rock star, one would imagine money isn't his motivation for smuggling the cocoon.
Snackoo is a euphemism
Ema really likes to Snackoo Apollo, and after a while, Apollo learns to enjoy it.
Diego's love for Mia was unrequited.
- Mia never refers to him as her boyfriend, and doesn't make any particular effort to speak to him when they meet again.
- Diego, despite his obvious feelings for her, never refers to her as his girlfriend.
- Grossberg refers to Diego as Mia's boyfriend, but she doesn't acknowledge it. He may have known about Diego's feelings for her and just assumed.
- Mia was extremely shaken by the events of 3-4, but that could have had just as much to do with seeing her first client kill himself in front of her as anything.
- Well, maybe Mia prefered people with who she had an "intellectual attraction", like Lana Skye. And by "people" I mean "women". And by "maybe" I mean "please, make it canon".
- No, I believe it's confirmed at some point. The wiki, at least, says it's true.
- The wiki is written by fans as well; it's not an official, canonical source. There's absolutely no confirmation in T&T that Mia and Diego had a reciprocal relationship — in 3-4 she seems put-off and startled by his flirting and calls him "Mr. Armando", which seems too formal for a boyfriend. Even if they got together after the events of 3-4, there's still no in-game proof: Diego's wording is "the woman I loved" which is just as applicable for one-sided love as for a girlfriend, and even when channelled in 3-5 or when she appears to do the Super Objection with Nick she doesn't say a word about loving him back, or even having any sort of relationship with him beyond "co-workers". Furthermore, neither Maya nor Nick knows anything about "Diego Armando", which would be strange if Mia had been dating him.
This franchise and the Trauma Center
series take place in the same universe.
It makes far too much sense for it not to be true.
- I have been thinking the same thing for quite a while now. The two series do have a lot of similarities.
- Examples please?
- Percieve/Healing Touch, for one. The over the top Serious Business in both professions, for another. Plus, they both have a touch of Magic Realism (Percieve, Healing Touch, GUILT (admit it, it's clearly a MAGIC DISEASE), Channeling...)
- Operation=Trial, Angie=Maya, Prosecutor's Office=Delphi, GUILT=forged evidence, Hands Of Asclepius=von Karmas, Press=Scalpel, Present=Forceps, Advance Text=Antibiotic Gel...
- I have evidence!]] Look at this◊ and this◊ then look at this◊. TAKE THAT!]]
Wearing an attorney's badge gives the user limited time control capabilities.
Mostly it's the ability to stop or reverse time (by a small amount). If they want, they can freeze some people while talking to others. This explains why sometimes a person in the scene will be frozen in a very active pose while you have time to look at everything. That's because time is stopped. It also explains why sometimes conversations bring up information you've heard before, or they play out in the exact same way if you bring them up again. In the courtroom, this only works during cross-examination. This is the main advantage that defense attorneys have over the prosecution. Phoenix was later able to tap into this technology to make the MASON System.
While it doesn't show in their portraits, one look at Barlowe's sprite will tell all. Plus, they're both old guys with more sinister goals than we initially think.
He's got the detective skills, extensive knowledge in many fields, and has learned the benefits of keeping a Watson
around the place. He may quit being a prosecutor to help the helpless, or do some investigating on the side with Gumshoe in tow.
- He's even got the "complete disinterest in romantic/sexual relationships" down...
- OBJECTION! Watson is actually competent!
- Besides, this troper thinks Phoenix would make a better Watson.
- Personally, I think it's more like Conan and Kogoro, or at least Takagi.
The games are a Take That
at the culture around the Japanese judicial system
After reading this
I can't help but wonder.
No matter how far into the past or the future the games show us, the Judge never seems to get any younger or older. He's always the same perpetually grey-bearded and bald man. That's because he's immortal, and no one has ever noticed. He was a judge long before Phoenix was born, and he will continue to be one long after Apollo dies of old age.
After all, the timing of his secret mission in relation to the time the murder occurred is a bit too convenient. Besides, he could easily set up the jurist system so that all verdicts are final, and he has double jeopardy preventing him from being tried on the Shadi Smith case.
The poison Atroquinine is made of Borginian Cocoons.
Remember why it's illegal? It's because you could make a rare and deadly poison out of these babies. Antroquinine is a deadly poison. It has no taste and no fragrance and it's hard to get. Now let's connect these thoughts with basic logic.
- But cocoons are how you treat Incuritis. Wouldn't that be like treating AIDS with cyanide?
- Maybe it all depends on how you process the cocoon? One way it becomes something for healing- the other way it becomes deadly poison. Kind of like how fugu can be processed as a food, unprocessed it's poisonous, and if the posison is proccessed a different way, it's a heart medication.
- That is correct; in Apollo Justice, it is said that the reasons that the cocoons aren't to leave Borginian borders is because if the purification process in making the Incuritis cure is altered slightly, you get a powerful poison. And an addendum to this WMG: Atroquinine is the poison which Dahlia stole from Doug Swallow and was used in her attempts to poison both Diego and Phoenix.
- OBJECTION! Diego's poisoning being caused by atroquinine is possible, although, if we assume that the poison intended to kill Phoenix was the same used in the necklace that killed Terry Fawles, the circumstances of his death make it clear that the poison is not slow-acting. The poison used must have been a different one!
- Actually, at the end of 4-4, it's mentioned that Vera Misham was the only person to survive atroquinine poisoning, rendering the fact that Diego was poisoned with it to be a false claim. As well as that, Phoenix ATE Dahlia's bottle containing traces of the poison. If it were atroquinine, which is lethal at two micrograms (meaning two MILLIONTHS of a gram), the trace amount of poison left in the bottle, which is perfectly plausible to be two micrograms, would have killed Phoenix. (Also in 4-3, it IS mentioned that a slight change in the processing of the cocoons yields a deadly poison.) Otherwise, it's still plausible that atroquinine is the deadly poison from Borginian cocoons, but just not used by Dahlia Hawthorne.
- HOLD IT! If the doctors caring for him didn't know precisely what poison had caused Diego's coma (for example, if medical technology had not progressed to the point that they could detect the extremely tiny amount of atroquinine present and simply labeled it "unknown causes"), then of course Vera would be the only person on record as surviving atroquinine, but that doesn't mean she's definitely the only one! Furthermore, toxicity is normally given as LD 50, the amount per body weight required to kill half a given population. In that case, it's entirely possible (and even likely, given his well-known sturdy constitution) that Phoenix was merely part of the other half of the population that would have survived two micrograms!
Little Thief was made by Glen Elg
If I remember correctly, it's said that Byrne Faraday
made that little gadget, but I'm not buying it. Just look at that thing and how it works! Holograms and the calculating and I'm not even gonna try and bullshit and attempt talking smart. Anyway, in 3-3 his boss states that he's been doing some work on the side, mostly underground stuff for who knows who. Now, how much more underground can you get than Yatagarasu? Well, aside from the mafia, but still. Also, given Phoenix's klepto ways, I bet he stole the blueprints to that hologram that's used for the jury in AJ...
Franziska continues idolize her father because she is in denial about circumstances surrounding his downfall
Based on Investigations
, it's very clear that she looked up to ol' Manfred and consoles Kay seeing as her father is also a prosecutor. Fast forward several years later, when she finds out that her father is dead, a murderer, and not perfect. She most likely didn't take this very well and whenever she thinks about him, she tries to think about the ideal person she looked up to so that it doesn't destroy inside. Edgeworth, being her adoptive brother, probably knows that it would be best to let her live denial and rather than rebuke her for speaking well about his father's murderer, decides to let it slide. Compare that to when Ernest Amano mentions Manfred and Edgeworth isn't exactly pleased to hear his name.
Kristoph Gavin is Vampire Hunter D.
People don't usually have demons in their hands. I know it's on the wrong side and doesn't talk, but maybe the familiar needs time to mature... I dunno, it's just too fun an idea to not post.
- Or maybe it does talk, I mean, just 'cause we don't see it talking in-game doesn't mean it can't...
Maggey Byrde is related to Glen Elg
It's not often you find two characters in this fandom that share the same traits such as bad luck, unless....
But seriously. Maggey fell from several floors of her apartment building and survived.
At the time, I bet her parents didn't chalk it up as the start of her natural disasters of luck, but as one parent neglecting her. This keeps happening over and over in different ways and boom! They're fighting like crazy and eventually divorce and one parent takes Maggey and the other remarries and has Glen, who also has it in his genetic coding to be cursed with bad luck.
- OBJECTION! The whole crux of your argument is your theory that Elg was born after Maggey's parents were divorced, and that Glen is the child of a later marriage from one of them. You seem to forget that... Glen Elg is older than Maggey!. By quite a few years in fact!
- Then perhaps Elg's parents divorced, leaving one to remarry and have Maggey?
Quercus Alba wasn't speaking in gaming terms metaphorically
In actuality, he was breaking the fourth wall. During the final "battle", he mentions high scores, getting game over, saving your game and whatever. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that a 72-year old ambassador/ex-general/criminal mastermind is interested in video games. My theory is that he is completely aware how annoying he is, and he's trying to get under your skin. Yes, your
skin. In one of his animations (to be more specific, the one where he flashes his medals) he's also doing a Troll-like
face directed at the player.
Oldbag is from space.
When she returned from her vacation in Trials and Tribulations, she was dressed in the same space suit from the second game. She took a vacation back to her native homeworld and her gun is real, but it fires something that, while nothing to us, would actually be deadly to aliens. Alternatively, she's Samus' daughter.
Larry Butz will get his own Investigations game.
Since people complained that the first Investigations was too easy (since Edgeworth is a genius), Capcom will make a game with Larry Butz and make it the toughest Ace Attorney game ever
to mirror his idiocy and the fact that he has no legal power. Like the other main characters, he will also have an exclusive game mechanic to let him harness his inner "Laurice Deauxnim" and paint mental pictures. It'll work like a one-man Magamata, though with hints of Edgeworth's Logic.
- Actually, I think this idea is clever in an absurd sort of way. Frankly, I'd look more forward to this than a game starring Franziska Von Karma or, ugh, Godot.
- Maybe Larry's exclusive game mechanic will be based on analogies, allusions, and metaphors. You have to use seemingly useless evidence or examine certain objects in certain ways to create "Eureka" moments for your idiotic protagonist.
In Apollo Justice's game, Phoenix's friends weren't absent - they were just as Chessmaster-y
as Phoenix himself.
Maya had to take her position as Kurain Master, but seriously wanted to do something about it - so she had Pearl occasionally channel Mia in order to secretly help Phoenix out behind the scenes, or rearrange things to make events more convenient for him. Maya, of course, would encourage him by sending him Steel Samurai stuff. Meanwhile, Edgeworth and Franzy would know that they would be unable to help Phoenix directly as prosecutors, so they ended up finding Klavier Gavin and mentoring him.
He wasn't legitimately searching for the truth in that case...he just wanted Will Powers, the Steel Samurai, to get off.
- Or we could look at it another way. Edgeworth was in a difficult position, being forced to choose between regaining his reputation after his 1-2 loss broke his perfect record or saving one of his personal heroes. When Phoenix raised the very viable possibility that it was someone else, Edgeworth finally made his decision to hear him out, once and for all sacrificing his record for his love of the Steel Samurai. The Samurai's innocence rekindled his belief that justice is best when solidly backed by truth, leading to his Heel-Face Turn. In a way, the Steel Samurai redeemed him.
After losing to Mia Fey, he vowed revenge on her, but he was too afraid of being caught to kill her himself. So, he looked into her past to see if there was a reason anyone else would want her dead. And there was. When the time was right, he told Redd White about Mia's investigations. While Mia died, as he had hoped, he had, in the meantime, acquired a new foe, Phoenix Wright. He once again looked for some way of making him a target. He found it in Kristoph Gavin, playing on his anger at not being chosen. Payne thought that Kristoph would kill Phoenix, but he settled for seeing him disbarred and ruined. This bodes ill for Apollo Justice...
Maya Fey gives up her seat as the Master of the Kurain Channeling Technique
She hands the title off to Pearly, who then goes into intense training to hone her own spirit channeling powers. Maya herself has either gone into self-imposed exile, due to being the center of one too many Fey-related incidents (the death of her sister, her own accusations of murder, and 3-5's entire surroundings), or she has gone elsewhere in the world to pursue a different path, but still keeps in touch with Phoenix Wright, who never let her know that he was disbarred out of fear of shame.
Every person in the Ace Attorney universe has either some sort of Bag of Holding
or access to Hammerspace
with them at all times
This means not just the Prosecutors or Defense Attorneys; everyone has to have one. The most obvious one is Angel Starr's basket, which can hold a plethora of boxed lunches alone, but also will hold whatever evidence she needs to carry and a camera. Then, there's Adrian Andrews with her infinite amount of quick-shatter glasses.
- As mentioned, this would also explain how Phoenix, Edgeworth and all of the other attorneys are able to carry their evidence around, especially the Noodle Stand (which can be fully viewed in 3D, thus not being just a picture Apollo brought to court) and the bear from 2-4. Also explains Klavier's air guitar sound; it's just coming from a stereo in said Hammerspace, as much as it explains how Gumshoe stores all of that confetti.
There is some
kind of relation between Phoenix and Kyon from the Haruhi Suzumiya
During his time as a lawyer, Phoenix is basically Kyon with more facial expressions, right down to the sarcastic remarks in his thoughts, the Willing Suspension of Disbelief
failure when Mia is first channeled, the heroic "She's annoying me to death, but I still love her as a friend" moment and the fact that everybody and their mothers seemed to be able to read his thoughts for some reason. Also, Kyon implies that he, surprisingly, actually used to be rather naive and childish just a few years ago... does that remind you on a certain cold-killer X taking law-student?
Conclusion: Kyon too will end up as a Hobo in a few years, he just needs some traumatic experience to make him snap.
- HOLD IT! There's one more possibility: Phoenix is a result of Haruhi accidentally merging Taniguchi, who not only closely resembles Phoenix, but sounds ''exactly like him'', with Kyon (thus, the personality) and Koizumi (who manifests as his ability to always find the truth and later, to use the Magatama). Athena is the result of Haruhi accidentally merging herself with Yuki (hence the superhearing) and Mikuru (hence the red hair). The entire Ace Attorney series is just an accidental universe created by Haruhi.
Phoenix Wright is responsible for every single one of Winston Payne's failures
When Phoenix isn't involved in the case, he actually does quite well. Note that every single case we see him fail involves Phoenix, even when Phoenix is not the main character. We see him win the trail against Maggey Byrde, and he would have won the trial against Luke Atmey if Phoenix had not intervened.
- OBJECTION! Both of those cases had the defense... trying to lose!! I hardly think that counts!
- Well, he was known as the Rookie Killer. How could that name have come about if he wasn't a good prosecutor? Phoenix just throws him off of his groove.
The missing characters from the Phoenix arc are the jurors in the last case of Apollo Justice
Phoenix had been planning to set up the jury system for a long time and had to keep his friends uninvolved, since he wanted them to be the jury for the first trial using this system. It's also for this reason that Phoenix refrained from introducing or mentioning them to Apollo. If he just lost one wrong word to them, they'd automatically disqualified for being too involved in the case. Ema, however, still disqualified in the end, because she donated the camera to him, so he replaced her with Thalassa. The other five jurists are Edgeworth, Maya, Pearl, Maggey and Iris. (Not Gumshoe, since he was involved in the trial which started the whole mess).
Grape and tomato juice is served in wine bottles complete with wine glasses. There is a bar full of grape juice in the second case of Ace Attorney Investigations
- Pearl is too young to be a jurist. You're not legally an adult in Japan until 20 and Pearl would be only 16 at the time of Turnabout Succession. Replace her with Larry Butz.
- Only lays can be jurors, which means that it couldn't have been Edgeworth. Perhaps Lotta?
- I was thinking the six jurors were these recurring minor characters: Larry Butz, Adrian Andrews, Will Powers, and Maggey Byrd, along with two people we meet in Apollo Justice, Guy Eldoon and of course, Lamiroir. All of them have pretty mild tempers (except Larry) and good, strong senses of justice (Larry's idiocy aside, he does try to do what's right). I think, to make sure the story in the paper was told and done just so, he got Lotta to do it by giving her additional insider info about the workings in exchange for her help not just getting info in kind about the case, but that the paper would be quickly done (Brushel being a witness would have less time to write it up than Lotta). A deal like that would make Lotta much easier to work with, since she only benefits from it (and I think she'd be compassionate to Phoenix's plight, as she's shown to be sympathetic to people when things are rough). I don't think the higher ups reviewing what he's doing would let Maya in since it's well known that she's a close friend of Phoenix's (Larry is less known as Phoenix's friend and actually more associated with Edgeworth, I think, thanks to both 1-4 and 3-5, not to mention what goes on in Investigations). Her voting would be seen as rather biased. Plus, I think she'd be busy with being, you know, the Master of the Kurain Technique. Phoenix could trust them to vote how he needed them to without problem (as to why there was a split jury, I'd say in the Bad Ending, Lamiroir, Guy, and Adrian were the three that voted "Guilty"). So that's why I think it would be those six.
. Oh, and that large glass Matt Engarde
is swishing around? Apple juice.
- Or perhaps that last one really is alcohol and he just doesn't care.
- OBJECTION! In case 1-5, Gumshoe refers to Damon Gant as having been "quite intoxicated" at the police department new years party. I doubt even Damon Gant would be that blatant. Furthermore, Gumshoe doesn't consider it especially unusual that someone had been drinking. Alcohol is legal, those bottles of juice actually ARE juice. Perhaps making fun of such transparent censorship?
- I always believed they were making fun of censorship, considering it's in a game centered around murders. Plus, the Judge says something along the line of "Unlike wine, this witness has not grown more mature with age." Okay, I've figured it out: Wine is for villains!
The MASON system is...
A mix of science (Little Thief) and what for all intents and purposes we're going to call "magic" (Kurain-style channeling). When you "travel" back in time, you're really viewing a channeling of a person's past self being channeled through a type of Little Thief System.
Akbey Hicks is Machi Tobaye's father
Both are blonde guys from Borginia with blue eyes, and it would make sense age-wise. This means Machi was made an orphan at the age of 7.
Becoming a defense attorney or prosecutor is as simple as applying to McDonalds.
I mean, come on. Well-known Defense Attorney Diego Armando wakes up from a five-year coma and immediately becomes a prosecutor
. Calisto Yew, as an identity, didn't exist until the case of Cece Yew and goes right to being a defense attorney.
Nobody bats an eyelash at either of these. On top of this, Klavier Gavin could not possibly
have had enough time to study law and
become a super-popular rock star at age 17.
- So Franziska trained in Germany for years to become a perfect prosecutor, and when she applied, she realized that all she needed was a badge/name tag and a smile (though she probably let her whip do the smiling)?
- Explains some of her bitchier behavior, doesn't it?
The law books are just fluff and the reason Phoenix has so much trouble with them is because he learned everything via word-of-mouth from Mia.
The "kid" who sent all of the Steel Samurai stuff in the AJ game to Phoenix was Edgeworth
No evidence, really, other than the fact that he was a Steel Samurai fan. And this would be really adorable.
- Also, I can't really imagine happy-go-lucky Maya insisting that he write reports on them. Our dear Edgey on the other hand.... needless to say, this pleases my inner yaoi fangirl.
- OBJECTION! Edgeworth would probably sooner burn his cravat before he'd admit to being a total fanboy of a children's show! However, if Edgeworth did give up his pride and confess this obvious fact about himself to Phoenix... The reports really sound like something he would do. All formal and Serious Business.
- HOLD IT! Sure, Edgeworth would never admit to that... and Phoenix would never let him live it down. Ergo, he'd only refer to Edgeworth as a "kid" if Edgeworth was pretending to be Maya the entire time.
- Hold it! Miles could simply be giving Phoenix the task of writing essays with the excuse that he wants to keep Phoenix's mind sharp. Phoenix just goes with it out of amusement and boredom. Alternately, Phoenix wasn't telling the whole truth, and the essays were actually a cover (or code) for the status reports he was doing on a secret mission Edgeworth sent him on. This idea is based on an idea from below, but maybe Edgey and Feenie were long working on plans to fix the Dark Age of the Law by getting Phoenix back behind the defence bench and getting Athena around.
- TAKE THAT! Please take a look at Edgeworth's introductory scene in Dual Destinies. If you, for whatever reason, are unable to do so, I will point out one little detail: Edgeworth has a Steel Samurai figurine fully visible in his office! Therefore, the above troper's theory that Edgeworth never would admit to doing that may very well be invalid, as Edgeworth might have become a bit more open about it during the events of Apollo Justice!
Max Galatica is Apollo's father.
- He was originally Billy Bob Johns, the most pathetic magician ever. He tried to join Troupe Gramarye in order to improve and become the world's greatest magician. He got too cocky and tried an escape act that seriously injured him, ashamed to see his wife and son ever again he honed his magic to become a stage-magician under a new name, but became a Jerkass to hide the grief of his wife's death and losing track of his son.
- OBJECTION! Mr. Galactica would have been EIGHT when Apollo was born.
Franziska Von Karma will be the protagonist of the next investigations.
- I mean, how cool would THAT be?
- Edgeworth used Logic. Franziska will use her whip to get information out of the witnesses/suspects.
- No, it'll just replace the "Press" button during cross-examinations.
- Oh so sadly, this seems to have been Jossed.
- Not necessarily, there could still be a case played as her.
- Still Jossed. In Gyakuten Kenji 2, the game temporarily allows you to play as Gregory in a flashback instead.
The next game will star Mia Fey and take place some time before the events of the first game, but after the flashbacks in the third.
- Mia's assistant will be Phoenix as a lawyer-in-training.
- Her particular ability would be Decision. In a logic-like menu, a flowchart of the possible events of the case can be seen, and expands as investigation goes along. Then, using evidence, possibilities in the flow chart are eliminated. Then, when only one possibility remains, the truth is found.
- Doesn't Mia already have a Magatama? And she has been said to be a damn good spiritual medium, I think it might just be Psyche Locks again
- The first case will be a simple one, with Phoenix assisting Mia in court, and her explaining the ropes of court to him. The game's justified tutorial.
- The second case will involve Wendy Oldbag, and be the beginning of her crush on Edgeworth.
- The third case will feature the prequel series to the Steel Samurai, and see leading star, Jack Hammer, accused of a crime. Mia later proves his innocence.
- In the fourth case, Mia is accused of a murder, and assumes her own defense. Misty Fey's desperation will be an important factor in the case. Dahlia Hawthorne may or may not be involved, in association with Morgan Fey.
- Appearing characters include:
- Mike Meekins as a policeman
- Larry Butz, who is even more annoying due to being teenaged.
- Maggey Birde and Lotta Hart, both at younger ages
- Victor Kudo (giving a second meaning to Mia's comment to Maya about calling her over just for seducing Mr. Kudo in th third game.)
- Sal Manella, who is presently writing his first series.
Tres Bien was put under new management by case 3-5.
Considering that the original owner was probably charged as an accomplice/conspirator to cover up to murder, he certainly couldn't run the place
. The court seized it and sold it at auction, so the food probably doesn't suck anymore, meaning that the celebration party has at least tolerable eats.
- Or Viola could've bought the restaurant out and use it as a front for Mafia-related activity.
Ace Attorney Investigations 2 takes place during Apollo Justice or after.
Come on, we need some plot, and it's not like we have some other places to put it. Hey, we might get to see the old characters again!
- Jossed. The game takes place a day after the end of the first Investigations game.
De Killer's role in AAI 2
After finding a successor and training them, it's time for their first job. Of course, Shelly would come along to supervise in case something went wrong. Probably why he's wearing his emblem so openly; to draw away attention from the real assassin and just freak us all the fuck out. Speaking of new assassins, I bet it's a girl... alias? Jane Doe.
- Or possibly he's hired to assassinate the case's victim but is beaten to the punch by the real killer, and part of the over-arching story covers trying to discover the client.
- Well, that's just as - if not more of an interesting thought. *scratches chin* Okay, so... If that's the case, then maybe Edgeworth will team-up with de Killer at one point to catch the real killer, but only if he doesn't arrest him?
One would expect that if he were really as dumb as he seems, he never would have made it through police academy, let alone still be on the force at all. Obviously
, his mother was a spirit medium and he decided to heat up a magatama to see what happened; it exploded, giving him a scar on his face and psychic powers by proxy. Hiding the source of his powers with an omnipresent band-aid, he deliberately "misses" important evidence when he knows the most obvious suspect is innocent.
Edgeworth uses Axe Body Spray
It would certainly explain his massive popularity with the ladies....
The Phoenix Wright games take place in the far distant future/past of the Wheel of Time-verse
In this time period of the WOT-verse channeling as it occurs during the WOT books has been largely forgotten about, existing here and there as 'magic tricks' though the purest and most clearly remembered line of actual one-power channelers is the Fey clan and the Kurain Channeling technique. All potential channelers have blocked themselves and need extreme conditions and or crutches to access their powers. The courts and legal cases, act as the extreme pressure and conditions needed to get around their personal blocks, and things like the Magatama which is actually a Ter'Angreal usable by men and women alike that has been passed down for ages upon ages as a crutch to get around it as well. The reason Witnesses act as though they've been physically struck when crucial evidence is presented is due to the Channeler-lawyers sub-conciously accessing their powers and hitting them with a light weave of compulsion forcing more of the truth to come out. The physical reaction and the fact that they don't spill their guts all at once is due to their unconcious and clumsy use of their abilities.
The reason only women in the Kurain Tradition can hold spiritual powers is that it's a hold over from the White Tower and the only weave properly remembered by the Kurain Tradition is a special secret weave that temporarily allows spirits bound to the wheel to be drawn into the real world again so long as they have a willing host body to inhabit. Explaining how events like 3-5 can occur
Phoenix is a reincarnation of Rand al'Thor. He has an almost suicidally stupid belief in the basic goodness of the female half of the human species (Compare Lanfear and Dahlia anyone?) His mentor sacrifices herself to protect him from a villain he later takes down (Mia/Moraine). He has one princess like love interest who is also, as or more powerful than his mentor was in spiritual power (Maya/Elayne) Pearls has been shown to be quite violent in her quest to keep 'Mystic Maya and Mr. Nick' together though lets be honest, who doubts that as soon as Pearl hits puberty her long cherished hero worship of Nick won't turn into a full blown crush even as she batters Nick into who she thinks he should be with regardless of her feelings just like Aviendha. Which would leave Iris to be an incarnation of Min, a more simple down to earth girl with little to no special powers but a strong love connection to her man who just wants her beloved to be happy no matter the cost.
Any one else care to expand?
Olga, the waitress in AA4, is a prostitute
When asked what her job is, she replies that it is to provide "services" (but not saying which). She then says "If a customers requests it, I serve EVERYTHING".
To make things worse, she throws some lines that can be really...er... like "I might accidentally drop some cold food on the costumer's LAP" and that the "food in her restaurant is as warm as the waitresses".
Also, her own ROOM is in the restaurant! (called "the hideout")
Having in mind that the whole place itself is kind of not legal (hosting illegal poker matches), and she seems to be quite a fragile girl, there is no doubt about this.
Olga Orly is not Russian... She's Ukrainian
Olga does say she isn't Russian, but it would be strange for a non-Slavic person to have a first name like that. However, if we look at her last name, we can see that a Ukrainian surname of that kind exists, although it is supposed to be pronounced as "or-lie", rather than "Oh, really?". Although there is a surname "Orlik", which would have similar pronounciation ("oh-really-ik").
"Shelly de Killer" is an alias.
I know this is Ace Attorney
, but that's just a wee bit too
silly. Plus, what kind of assassin tells his real name to an entire courtroom
? Knowing the series, though, his real name is probably "Michel de Quilleur" or something.
- "de Killer" is the line of Assassins he comes from. Presumably, as with any professional assassin, he has several (hundred) aliases he can adopt at any time for safety, and only uses his real name of Shelly de Killer when he is openly stating that he is an assassin.
There will be a "Yatagarasu: Ace Thief" game.
There HAS to be.
- And while we're at it, add Ace Assassin to the list!
- Dick Gumshoe: Ace Detective. It just has to be done.
Some time down the series, we will witness him taking a defense case, and he will wipe the floor with the prosecution.
- Well, he was mentor to such awesome people as Mia Fey and Diego Armando after all!
Mia is possessing Phoenix in Apollo Justice.
Being a member of the Fey family, Mia possesses extraordinary abilities regarding channeling (which is why it's easier for Pearl and Maya to channel her). After Phoenix's disbarment, she was so outraged that she used her awesome Big Damn Heroes
status to force her spirit into Phoenix and fix things for good - hence Phoenix's distant, abrasive personality in game 4. And since Phoenix isn't a spirit channeler, the body-appearance thing doesn't happen.
Why Maya has such a massive appetite...
It's because channeling a spirit uses up massive amounts of energy. Maya's massive consumption of burgers is her way of restoring the lost energy. Also a way of debunking the "Maya is bulimic" theory mentioned above. Maybe the entire Fey clan shares the post-channeling appetite and it's just never brought up.
- So her kidnapping in game 2 (she was starved) must have been absolute hell since she was channeling Mia several times...Damn. You. Matt. Engarde.
That might not be the case! The physical changes themselves could be the cause of this! Radically changing a person's appearance would take massive amounts of energy, requiring A lot
of food to keep up with the energy demands!
Colias Palaeno in Ace Attorney Investigations was in on the smuggling ring.
Everything that Palaeno did in the last case was to become the sole ambassador and go scot-free of all his crimes. The reason I believe this is because he had the statue with the plates inside. Another reason is because Manny Coachen was his secretary. I refuse to believe that he wasn't aware that his statue had plates in it or that fact that his own secretary was committing crimes behind his back. Everything he did in the final case helped to put suspicion on Quercus Alba. Palaeno allowed Edgeworth to continue investigating because he already had his secretary burn all the evidence that would indict him. He told Edgeworth about the properties about Babahlese ink which led to the conviction of Shih-na. He told Edgeworth that his statue was fake which allowed Edgeworth realized that the statues were switched. In the end of the case, he became the sole ambassador and made it so Quercus would be seen as the sole ringleader of the smuggling ring.
Magnifi Gramarye killed Apollo's father
Seems like the sort of douchey thing he'd do, although I actually doubt this will turn out to be true, because it simply wouldn't be as dramatic as having the killer be still alive for Apollo to nail in the last case of his arc.
- That's why we have Spirit Mediums, though. Don't forget, the killer has been dead before, too.
For four years straight he managed to utterly convince courts that his side was correct, no matter what side that actually was, until such time as he ran into a certain someone who could counteract his Resonance and ultimately put him through redemption — after which he not only becomes a champion of truth, but loses Life Meter for coming to untrue conclusions
Japan colonized California in the past
Think about it. The culture of the Los Angeles region is very Japanese, including several highly influential families of Japanese heritage (the Feys, the Kitakis, the Amanos). This would explain not only the presence of a zaibatsu and yakuza (okay they have no problems in the real world, actually), but also the hundreds of years that Kurain Village (and Medium Valley) has apparently been present in the mountains above L.A. Not to mention the myths of the Yatagarasu which were eventually used too.
Japan must have avoided the policy of sakoku in exchange for a policy of colonization during the Edo period. This gives plenty of time for the cultural roots to have been laid down. Eventually they probably gave up their territory (or lost it in war) to the expanding U.S. and the descendants of settlers just decided to stick around and intermarry. But they kept borrowing things from their original home, such as tokusatsu, ramen stands, etc.
Earth has undergone an environmental disaster
The L.A. area is shown having heavy snow in a few cases. While this is perfectly understandable for up in the mountains, the amount of snow on the ground in 2-3 at the Big Berry Circus is far from normal for the lower L.A. area which rarely even gets a dusting of snow (and no one really comments on it). Therefore, the climate must be radically changed by some natural or human-caused event
. Maybe even the Second Impact
The mysterious voice in the Gyakuten Kenji 2 demo, who calls Edgeworth by his first name is either Gregory Edgeworth (channeled by a medium) or Phoenix Wright.
Nobody else would have a reason to call him "Reiji/Miles". Also, it would for both of them make sense to ask Edgeworth if he is sure that he wants to stay a Prosecutor, or if he'd rather return to his "old" dream and become a Defense Attorney after all.
For Gregory, the reason why he would ask his son this is obvious. And for Phoenix, it would make sense as well, seeing how Edgeworth himself asked Phoenix a rather simmilar question a year prior, making it a Meaningful Echo.
Of course, the voice could also be Mikagami Hakari, A.K.A. "Judgette"
, but one has to wonder why this hyper-formal woman would call him by his first name.
- HOLD IT! Are you referring to that new trailer for Gyakuten Kenji 2? The voice that's saying that part most definitely sounds like a man, so it's obviously not the "Judgette." Furthermore, it can't be Phoenix Wright or Gregory Edgeworth because the trailer clearly introduces a new character at those words - Tateyuki Shigaraki (the man with the brown shirt, blue tie, and hat). Apparently, Shigaraki is a defense attorney who knew both Gregory and Miles Edgeworth from before DL-6, which explains why this new character refers to Edgeworth as "Reiji/Miles."
- TAKE THAT! This may all be true, but if you take a look at the date this WMG was made, you will see that it is just a few days before the latest trailer was revealed... Ergo... THE TROPER HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING ABOUT TATEYUKI SHIGARAKI'S NAME OR ROLE!]].
The reason why Edgeworth doesn't care about the law and only wishes to find the truth is because he hears of Wright's disbarment.
Because by finding out about Wright's disbarment, he would acknowledge that the law itself was imperfect and that only the truth is absolute. Of course, this troperette has no idea when GK 2
takes place, so this could just be Edgey's take on things.
- ::Taps papers. Grins.:: OBJECTION! ::Slams desk.:: TAKE THAT! Phoenix's disbarment does not happen until weeks after Investigations ends!
- OBJECTION! Gyakuten Kenji 2 ends on April 9th 2019, a week or less away from Zak's arrest! therefore, it is possible!
- ...What is? The WMG is suggesting that the Phoenix's disbarment had an impact on Edgeworth's actions in the two Investigations games, despite, as you admit, every event of the Gramarye case happening after Gyakuten Kenji 2 had finished.
Manfred Von Karma would hurt Franziska is she did something that wasn't 'perfect'
Just an idea- when Phoenix or Edgeworth exposes a hole in her theory, she'll draw back as if expecting them to hit her.
- It's a nice theory, but everyone does that, while Edgeworth has the same possible reason, no one else does.
- OBJECTION!' The great majority of witnesses and prosecutors simply act surprised or tense. No one actually does anything similar to Franziska's bracing and instinctively dodging in self-defense. Also, consider her behavior of whipping people into submission when irritated with them! It is a classic sign of childhood bullying or physical abuse. Therefore, we have strong evidence to suggest that Franziska von Karma was abused by her father!
- It may have merely been corporal punishment (eg. Caning, slapping her, etc.) rather than physical abuse. Corporal punishment is considered a legitimate method of disciplining children in many countries (such as Asian countries) so it's possible Manfred followed the same principles, which would make his physical disciplining of her harsh but still within limits and not actually abuse.
- OBJECTION! If it was psychologically scarring enough that she's expressing PTSD symptoms in the courtroom (i.e. pre-emptively reacting as if she's going to be hit despite there being no present danger), then what happened was, by definition, traumatic, and therefore would be crossing the line from "mere corporal punishment" into "child abuse" by definition.
Edgeworth dies at the end of his Investigations series
Explains his absence and also why he's never mentioned in Apollo Justice. Phoenix blocks him out of his memory just like the last time he thought Edgeworth had died.
No mention of a wife, a clone being a prefect fit for Mr. Perfect / ability to "pick and choose" instead of blind chance of the uh, normal way fitting.
Matt Engarde is Satan
He wears red, calls himself a "handsome devil" and killed a man with the initials JC. Plus, the wineglass thing has to be dark magic.
Doug Swallow didn't really die
Instead he was merely shocked unconscious. He decided that his current life had sucked so he pretended that he really was dead. He bribed some doctors into making a fake autopsy report. His decision for his new life, was to become a movie star by the name of Matt Engarde. The two look very similar to each other and even wear similar clothes. The reason Phoenix doesn't recognize him is the same reason he doesn't recognize Marvin Grossberg.
- OBJECTION! While he could have lied about his name, age and hair color, and could have become an absurdly rich TV star within 6 years, there's one thing he would have a very hard time changing: his height!]]. Data says that Matt Engarde is five centimeters taller than Doug Swallow. That's nearly two inches.
- OBJECTION! As Doug Swallow, he logically would have spent lot's of time hunched over while working in a lab.]] However, as actor Matt Engarde ::close up, speed lines:: he would stand up tall to become more presantable!]] Thus explaining the height difference.
- OBJECTION! And what of Engarde's supposedly long-lived (since childhood) rivalry with Juan Corrida? Or do you propose that Swallow and Corrida somehow met outside of the acting biz or made up a good rivalry story for publicity? (Though if the rivalry were invented, it obviously got very real very fast)? I am quite intrigued.
Talented Spirit Medium automatically gain Ghost Tricks
Remember: When Maya first channeled Mia, she had told Phoenix beforehand that she wouldn't be able to do it, since she is still in training. However, suddenly, Mia was channeled and tried to justify it to Phoenix by saying "Remember that I am of Fey Blood too.", hinting that the spiritual powers remain even after death and make it easier for her to take control of Maya's body, despite her being a little unskilled. Following this line of logic, Fey Women don't need the Temsik radiation
, their own supernatural energy is enough to give them Ghost Tricks upon death. This explains how Phoenix keeps hearing Mia's voice: Her Ghost Tricks are limited Ghost-to-Human telepathy and significantly boosting a living Medium's powers.
- Alternatively: Magatamas are crafted from fragments of the Temsik meteor, which would guarantee that a medium would die within range of the radiation, and get tricks upon death... Provided that that medium was still wearing her magatama, of course... (Or, in Phoenix's case, hadn't gotten it stolen/lent it to anyone)
- Doesn't make sense, as Magatama have different colors are are traditionally made of jewels native to Japan. (Yes, Magatama ARE real beads, not something the series made up) Also, the greater Magatama is persumably very, very old... It sure goes back longer than the metorite shower in temsik park.
- It's more likely that magatamas made of Kurain Boulder, which is itself a meteorite similar to Temsik.
Wright & Co. Law offices has a tagline focusing on "the truth"
None of the clients who choose Phoenix on their own are actually guilty, and the one time he did
have a guilty client, Nick was the one offering his services. Matt
obviously wouldn't know or care about an emphasis on the truth, and de Killer wouldn't care, since blackmail
has a way of getting people to see things your way. If there was a reference to finding the truth in an ad, then guilty clients wouldn't be as likely to go to that law firm, but innocent ones would. It would also explain the apparent lack of popularity and... unique clientele.
The poster of the movie that made Mia cry in the office is of Toy Story 3
Considering the fact that the series takes place in the future-ish (actually, we're inching up on the date now), this is entirely plausible. And awesome. Maya likes Steel Samurai, why can't Mia be a Toy Story fan? Of course, this would also imply that Phoenix hasn't
seen Toy Story 3, which is just sad in and of itself
- HOLT IT! There's no way he wouldn't at the very least recognise the characters with the amount of promotion Disney/Pixar does for its pictures, and he notes that he has no idea what the movie in question is, and nor did Mia. Considering that Toy Story 3 came out when Phoenix was in high school, even if he'd never watched Toy Story or it's sequels, he'd at least know who the characters are. Perhaps the movie was, in fact, The Iron Giant? It's a good deal more obscure, something he has a chance of never having heard of or seen, since it came out when Phoenix was only 7 years old, in the same year as Toy Story 2 (which received considerable more marketing) AND Disney/Tarzan.
The localized version of the series takes place in a fictional city in California known as Hope Springs
Read the explanation here
. I didn't come up with the theory, but it sounds damn plausible (moreso than Los Angeles) and it's now in my head-canon.
There will be a defendant named Bill Stickers
Which is to say that Bill Stickers may be prosecuted. What? The WMGs can't all
be deep and insightful...
Winston Payne lost his hair due to poisoning, not merely psychological factors.
The script even hints at it—just before Payne loses his hair, the following exchange takes place:
Mia: So, if she's so trustworthy... then I'm sure there couldn't possibly be any poison in here, right?
Payne: Err... Well... Ummm... You see... Umm... Y-Yes...
Mia: OBJECTION! ... And here comes the backpedal! Come on now, "Rookie Killer"! Show this rookie how it's done! How much trust do you really have for this woman? Are you willing to bet your life!?
Payne: Gggg... Nnngh... Unnngggggh...
At this point, the background fades to white. This Troper imagined him timidly picking up a pill and licking it. Next thing we see, Payne's hair comes flying out. Physical proof
that Dahlia Hawthorne was untrustworthy! Small wonder Payne was so shocked by the experience.
- For two reasons: one, even more crossover WMG. And two, because "multidimensional programming theory" is both the best possible computer-related specialty and almost allows the apparent time travel shenanigans to make sense. Kind of.
- This can be easily combined with the preceding theory about it being a descendant of the Little Thief system.
The characters actually know that they are not real but characters in a game.
Think about it, it all makes sense. At one point Maya says that Phoenix's face reminds her of a video game character. This makes Phoenix say this rather tell-tale line:
"How ironic if you knew the truth..."
- It's not uncommon for AA characters to break the fourth wall, so this is pretty likely.
The Perfect teacher from Courage the Cowardly Dog is Manfred von Karma's wife.
Both have a strange need for perfection. The teacher abuses Courage when he is imperfect and it's implied that Manfred did the same to Franziska and Edgeworth. Both have a Villainous Breakdown
. And both are the villain of their respectful episodes.
- Maybe she's his mum, and he raises his kids how his mum raised him? That's kinda what goes through my head whenever I see this WMG. Franziska has to get her beauty from somewhere, and Phoenix's inner thoughts about her suggests that the only thing she inherited from her father in terms of looks was her smarmy little smirk.
Phoenix Wright has the Reading Steiner
ability and is sending D-Mails or using Time Leap Machine
That Explains how you're in Phoenix's shoes... with items you WEREN'T supposed to have, bringing them back and forth between times.
Manfred von Karma did give a damn about Edgeworth.
Initially, he just decided raising young Miles as a prosecutor would be insulting enough to Gregory's image. His ideal was to care for and raise Miles as a worthy von Karma prosecutor, achieve more greatness for himself, and wipe Miles of his Edgeworth identity and implant him as a true von Karma.
What made him resentful against Miles Edgeworth, however, was his failure against Phoenix Wright; after the second failure, he decided to eliminate this failure from the family, and thus 1-4 took place.
Edgeworth did actually intend to kill himself.
Mundane WMG, but it is a bit difficult to believe that a man that savvy would honestly not realise that "Prosecutor Miles Edgeworth chooses death" would be read as a suicide note, and he had no real reason to fake his death. It seems much more likely that he, in a very bad state, decided to settle things for good, left his note, went and stood on a bridge or something... and had an epiphany, realised what he was doing was stupid, immature, and not going to solve anything, and got back down again. He couldn't go back, because his note might well have already be found and that would be a horrible thing to try to explain, and he needed to put himself back together anyway, so he left for Europe. It's this troper's firm headcanon.
- This theory becomes stronger if you consider Rise from the Ashes canon. In the original games, the exact circumstances around the time of Edgeworth's disappearance are left more ambiguous, whereas with Rise from the Ashes we get to see just how mentally unwell Edgeworth was during and after the trial. Considering how he behaved at the end of the case, the idea that he did intend to kill himself (and leave the message as a suicide note), but came around one way or another is highly plausible.
Gumshoe is suffering from malnutrition.
His declining competence over the course of the series is thanks to years of living on nothing but instant noodles, thanks to all his pay cuts.
Phoenix and Apollo are narrating the entire series from their death beds.
At the end of some cases, Phoenix often monologues about stuff. Only thing is, his monologues seem a little... out of characther. It sounds way deeper and mature than their usual speech. This gets even more apparent when we can read Apollo's thoughts. So they could be remembering the whole stories from a point far beyond in their lifetime, maybe even their deaths. It would also explain some Gameplay and Story Segregation, with the Cross-Examinations being points where Phoenix/Apollo remembers things in another order.
The Judge is behind EVERYTHING.
After all, he's the ONLY absolute constant in EVERY trial. Every single trial has the Judge, whose name is never revealed, presiding. Everyone pays him the utmost respect, and thus he is never suspected
of his crimes. The biggest evidence for this? In Rise from Ashes, it is the Judge who gets the Big "NO!"
when everything is figured out. In every crime, the Judge either manipulates the evidence to lead it to someone else or manipulates whoever is found guilty into doing it for him.
- The judge isn't present in EVERY trial. What about his brother (the one with the yellow beard)?
- Given that he's the only other judge AND the usual judge's brother, he's obviously in on it too.
- Considering the judge's violent reaction when accused of murder... But then, why were there no Psyche-locks?
Kay will become a defense attorney
... and then team up with Edgeworth and Gumshoe to form the second Yatagarasu. After all, the first was also a team of a prosecutor, a defense attorney, and a detective.
The next time Maya
is a defendant in a murder trial, Pearl or Phoenix will be the victim or the murderer
At the end of 2-2, Maya laments that every time something like this happens to her, she loses someone important to her. Here's her track record.
- In 1-2, Mia is killed and Maya is accused of the murder.
- In 2-2, Morgan, who looked after Maya after Misty's departure, tries to frame Maya for killing Turner Grey.
- In 3-5, as a result of a plot against Maya's life, Misty Fey is killed.
Pearl is the only living family Maya has whom she's especially close to, so she might be the next important person Maya loses. It's unclear whether there's a "minimum" age for being a murder victim or actual murderer in Ace Attorney, although teenagers are suspected of or almost fall prey to murder, but Pearl would be around 17 in Apollo Justice
, and she would be fairly close to voiding Infant Immmortality
and the equivalent protection against being convicted of murder. Phoenix is another candidate, although he would probably only get killed off in the final game of the series.
- This could have already happened, just not in a murder trial. Phoenix got disbarred for forging evidence at one point, right? Who's to say that Maya didn't somehow play a part in that hearing?
Maya isn't in the series as of Apollo Justice because she's in prison.
Just read that bullet list in the previous WMG. 1-2. 2-2. 3-5. Maya simply can't go a single year without being accused of murder. As soon as Phoenix lost the right to practice law and thus defend her, the next accusation stuck.
Millions of years is plenty of time for something big enough to warrant another calender change, thus why it is still the early 2000s. It also explains why cell phones are still like the ones in the 90s and why Kurain has existed for generations and it still doesn't exist in Real Life
Redd White knew about the SL-9 case from 1-5.
In case 1-2, when Phoenix tries to accuse White of blackmailing for a living
, White calls the chief prosecutor, who he happened to be blackmailing.
Now, fast forward to case 1-5, where you meet Lana, the chief prosecutor. Now, what was that thing she was being blackmailed about in that case?
It's a lesser version of Unrelenting Force, which is why it knocks the targets back slightly.
Phoenix and Edgeworth both are Time Lords. Specifically, they're the Doctor and the Master.
Here me out here: After the whole trauma and tear-jerky scenes in "The End of Time", and sometime around the Doctor's 12th or 13th regeneration, the Doctor and the Master realize they're sick of fighting each other, and agree to Chameleon-Arch themselves into kids and live some life together as childhood friends again. They manipulate certain events, thus causing Gregory Edgeworth to adopt li'l Master (they never said he wasn't adopted), etc. However, the Universe really hates the last of the Time Lords
, so causes DL-6 to occur, causing a scenario that is eerily deja-vuish. It causes the two to seperate again, only to meet reunite as(court-room) enemies. Or something.
The President of a major country will get taken down at some point.
We've already taken down a prosecutor with 40 years of experience under his belt, the Chief of Police, and a FREAKING AMBASSADOR. The leader himself is the next logical step.
The Phoenix trilogy is actually just Phoenix telling his story as he remembers it to Trucy and possibly Apollo.
Think about it. Have you noticed that in cases such as the end of 'The First Turnabout' and 'The Stolen Turnabout' Phoenix is talking in past tense
? It's possible he's recollecting the old times back when he was a lawyer, in his brightest days.
Phoenix's guts are shredded to hell.
Remember how he kept cleaning the toilet in Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations? That was also the same game where it was shown (retconned?) that he had swallowed broken glass that was possibly coated in weakened poison which nearly killed Godot and seriously messed up his entire body when taken in its unweakened state
before he became a lawyer. Combined with all the stress he's constantly under, we can only be thankful that Mia didn't teach him the Marvin Grossberg Method of Public Speaking.
Godot and Mia had sex the night after Mia's first trial. Mia was pregnant with Diego's child when he was poisoned by Dahlia. The time that elapsed between Phoenix's murder accusations and Mia's death had
to have been more than a year. That's plenty of time for Mia to deliver the baby and send it off to Godot's father because she couldn't financially support baby Arnold (lawyers don't make a lot of money in the Ace Attorney universe if the games are to be believed).
Now makes since except two things, Arnold and his Grandpa doesn't seem to have Brazilian blood. This is easily explained, perhaps Grandpa had an affair with a foreign woman and got her pregnant and Grandma just forgave him and helped him raise the child because the mother probably couldn't take care of it. That type of logic being used, Arnold probably only has 1/4th Brazilian genes in his blood so the nationality isn't exactly visible on him.
The other issue is that apparently there's a journal that detail Arnold's parents as some sort of people that explore a jungle. this journal is simply a fake document to protect him from Dahlia.
- Three years pass between Phoenix's murder accusation and Mia's death, so yeah, the timeline is possible.
He was the Only Sane Man
in the Dora universe, and decided to leave the talking maps and backpacks behind for life as an attorney. Dora's family are simply in denial about his existence, thus why he is never mentioned.
- Related: Diego Armando is actually Diego of Go, Diego, Go! all grown up. He does have a thing about cats...
Every time someone says TAKE THAT, they are actually punching somebody in the face.
In Apollo Justice, when Apollo punches Phoenix, Feenie says that the best way to punch somebody is to yell TAKE THAT because it adds an extra zing. Maybe whenever he was, for example, pwning somebody's psyche locks, he punched them hard in the face every time he figured something out. The psyche locks don't break because of emotional breakdown, but rather the fear of being beaten to death by a drunk attorney.
Everything yelled in court that is accompanied by the signature red, bold letters physically injures the person that it is directed towards.
It's like a spell. That's what the copious finger-pointing and desk-slamming is for. There's a reason that the resident defense attorney or prosecutor reacts like they've been shot when they've been presented evidence that works against their favor.
The material Attorney's badges are made of is radioactive.
Being in constant close proximity to the material (like say, wearing a badge made of it for hours on end every day) causes semi-permanent brain damage, causing the wearer to act dumber and goofier. After the wearer spending enough time without exposure to the badge material the damage is undone, causing them to become smarter and more serious.
The reason why Phoenix is seemingly immortal is because of Sissel
It is confirmed by Word Of God
that both games happen in the same universe, and Phoenix got into at least 6 life-threatening situations which he miraculously
survived. What's to say that he didn't take part in Phoenix's life?
Damon Gant is a relative of Volgin
Orange suit, white hair, death by lightning, sounds related to me.
There'll be another form of prequel case in the series
- Just like segments of AA 3 where you played as Mia, there would probably be a case where you play as Edgeworth's father, Gregory.
- Well, GK 2 had a case where you played as Gregory. Perhaps, seeing as AA 5 is switching back to Phoenix, we'll have a case of Apollo's from a few months earlier which is crucial to the plot?
- Well, there is going to be a prequel game, taking place in the Meiji Era of Japan, centred around Phoenix's ancestor, Ryuunosuke. So, uh, confirmed?
Von Karma was trying to escape the courtroom when he banged his head against the wall
- It wasn't out of panic. He was trying to create an escape route for himself. Later on, he did the same thing in prison, but was successful. The police covered it up, saying he was killed. This explains the difference in length between his incarceration and death and that of Dahlia Hawthorne.
Conflict of interest doesn't exist the the Ace Attorney-verse
That is, as a legal concept conflict of interest doesn't exist. Take case 4-3 as an example. The prosecutor is the lead singer of the band whom was playing at the time of the crime. The defense was present at the crime and heard the victim's last words. Clearly there is no provision in the legal system here for a person to bow out or be forced out due to conflict of interest.
- Way more cases than just 4-3 would count as conflict of interest — pretty much any case involving a Fey or Hawthorne, Miles Edgeworth, or Larry Butz would count as this in the Phoenix games, considering his personal relationships with all of them.
If Manfred's granddaughter appears, she'll either be a Phoenix Wright fangirl or see him as a Broken Pedestal
She named her dog Phoenix. However, since that incident, Phoenix exposed her grandfather, which got him executed. Even if Manfred was a bastard, he still seemed to care for his family, so the guy responsible for her grandfather's death, no matter how deserved it may have been, can break a little girl.
takes place in the same universe as Judge Dredd
The changes to the justice system in AA were stated to be the result of a massive crime problem. Shortening trials- and making sure that most resulted in guilty verdicts- was the first step towards the foundation of the Judge system.
Desirée DeLite was Mask*DeMasque, NOT Ron DeLite.
Think about it. One, Desirée is stated to be a thrillseeker, something that thievery plays right into. Two, Ron DeLite really does not come off as someone capable of doing it. As in his mental profile doesn't allow for the capability to be a thief. What is more likely is that Desirée is Mask*DeMasque, turning to thievery to both serve as excitement and to pay the bills once Ron is fired. The costume is bulky enough to hide the fact that she's a woman. Ron decided to help her by using his knowledge of security. And the final piece of evidence? Neither Ron DeLite OR Luke Atmey could have stolen the urn...but Mask*DeMasque WAS seen leaving the area WITH the urn. The way that was thrown out was Luke Atmey forged the photos on an earlier day, but there is no proof that this is the case, only that this was a possibility. I assert that the photo WAS taken at the exact time and day initially said...but it was Desirée DeLite, the REAL Mask*DeMasque, who no one suspected, in the photo. This also explains why Ron was so insistent that he was Mask*DeMasque, as he wanted to take the fall for Desirée because, as stated several times, he would do anything for her.
Also, compare both◊
mugshots. Exact same pose, exact same smile, even similar neck thickness. She has
to be Mask*DeMasque.
Kristoph has an intense inferiority complex towards Klavier
Kristoph is the older brother to a child prodigy who's not only a famous rock star but also a prodigy prosecutor. Even Kristoph who is an accomplished defense attorney, probably one of the most accomplished, is overshadowed by his little brother. This caused an intense inferiority complex with his brother which started his obsession with always being the best. For example, in the final case, Klavier admits that Kristoph shared all of his notes on the Zak Gramarye case with Klavier so it'd be a fair battle between them. However, he did not show him the forged note. If he had shown him, Klavier would have forfeit the court case since that would prove Zak's innocence. Kristoph purposely withheld the forged note because he wanted to beat his brother in the court in front of everyone. So his rage against Zak and Phoenix was not because he was just some mad man, it was because it killed his chance to finally beat his brother and that pushed him over the edge.
Pearls is not really Morgan's daughter
If you look closely at Pearls, she looks nothing like Morgan. She is kind, cheerful, and playful at best while Morgan is pretty deceitful, angered toward her relatives due to her own family being the branch of the family, AND she looks pretty much too old to bear children. This troper believes Pearl was adopted by Morgan. Least that's what she believes.
- OBJECTION! While Pearl may not look like Morgan, it's possible - probable even in this case - that she instead takes after her father. As for Morgan being too old, on the wikia, it says that in JFA she was "at least 47". I would like to point out that it is possible to have children even in your late-50's for some women and that Morgan was likely in her early 40's when she had Pearls. This own troper's aunt had her youngest child at age 45.
Phoenix was an orphan
Either that or he had a case of Parental Abandonment
. Case in point almost (if not all) playable characters are either orphan or abandoned. We never heard his family either. It makes sense. When he was accused of thieving the money at the school, nobody's going to believe him (and he didn't have family support either). That's why he was so 'touched' by Edgy and Larry's trust on him. Because he didn't have anyone else.
- HOLD IT! When your entire class turns on you, teacher included, for something you know you did not do, you feel alone. Especially if you had to put up with bullying, which considering Mr Wright's Butt Monkey status in-universe suggests he probably was. You would feel like the world is against you, and one person standing up for you can leave a long-lasting impression, no matter what stupid thing they're defending you for. Phoenix could have had a perfectly happy home life, though perhaps his parents were often busy? Perhaps, even, one of them worked for the school he attended, and that parent couldn't do anything without it being seen as favouritism?
- Heck, even if his parents had all time in the world to support him and were unrelated to the school they work at, Phoenix's feeling of being alone has a pretty good reason: plenty of children, especially if they are the only child, may take their parents' love for granted and feel alone even if they stand up for them. The bullies wouldn't care either way, or possibly just use the parents' actions against Phoenix.
Lana is Mia's rival in the same way that Edgeworth is Phoenix's rival
- I might have to disagree on that one. As I recall, Lana was a detective before she made the transition to the Prosecutor's office via Gant placing her there to control said office. If anything she'd play a role similar to Gumshoe: the Friend on the Force who will occasionally give you hints at the expense of their salary, to the chagrin of her Prosecutor partner, who would've likely been Neil Marshall. (Cue Mia laying on some Lana X Neil Ship Tease when cross-examining Lana to where it becomes Neil's witness-related Running Gag.)
The reason behind the punny names
It's because they aren't real names. The cases are probably real, but the real names and places are changed (and maybe the dates, too). This also explained the Japanese culture.
Regarding black psyche lock
Had Phoenix owned a magatama back in original series, asking about DL-6 to Edgeworth would result in five black psyche lock.
- Probably. Edgeworth didn't really know about it and kept it locked away to the point that he forgot the exact details. That fits the Black Locks.
- Actually, probably not. The secret Athena hid so deep in her heart was something she initially had no actual memory of, due only to shutting it away rather than a lack of knowledge of it ( if you recall, it was the fact that she stabbed someone, specifically the man who murdered her mother). Edgeworth didn't recall any new information during the case of a great magnitude. He remembered, clearly, throwing the gun, hearing it go off, and hearing the murderer's scream. That's essentially what was covered up by Athena's locks. He had no idea at all who the scream belonged to (and indeed, mistook it for his father's), but if he had subconsciously known who the scream belonged to (either by seeing the murderer or recognising the voice), he probably would have the black Psyche-Locks. It's likely that he wouldn't have had any locks at all about it, since it's something he genuinely didn't know the answer to at all, and wasn't a secret he just concealed from even himself.
Kristoph's black psyche lock
Kristoph has a Split Personality
. It's his other self that 'did it' thus he himself doesn't really knows the details. Plus a sudden change of personality could be considered as 'traumatising'.
- Almost disturbed how close this is to the truth that we know so far given Dual Destinies explanation of black phsyche locks
Apollo is related to Gant...
No, wait, hear me out!
While it's sound like a little modification from the other theory, it's possible.
Please consider this.
It's possible that Gant had a younger brother who looked like him, and closer to Thalassa's age.
1. Gant himself is playing organ - it's possible it's run in the family, and his younger brother is a performer.
2. Supposed that brother is dead...or murdered. And by some circumstance, Gant cannot investigate his death. We already see that Jake is willing to do anything for his brother, as well as Lana for his sister, why not Gant? It probably motivate him to take an extreme measure trying to control law, either to find the culprit or to avoid the same thing happenings again.
If Gant is Apollo's father, it raises contradiction in which we told Apollo's father is a performer (unless it's a lie). But, if he was Gant's brother (or related by some other way) it explains the similarity between the two. And thus, Gant's physical similarity to Apollo is explained.
It would be like Kristoph and Klavier all over again, though...
In the future installment, Apollo will pull a Blackquill...
It occured to me the two had quite similar sprites: for example, Apollo's two-fist objection compared to Blackquill breaking chains. Also, Apollo's thinking sprite (with a finger to temple). Blackquill also had one (though it more seemed like he was mocking the defense).
The two also had a change in personality:
Athena described 21 years old Blackquill as honest, kind and straight
while Phoenix noticed he was now more twisted than snake. In comparison, Trucy said that in 5-4 and 5-5 Apollo looked cool and dark, unlike the Apollo she usually knew. Apollo also capable to take drastic measures, such as taking the stand to accuse Athena
Now where was I going? Dual Destinies doesn't mention the Gramarye plot points in the AJ. And the last time we had a 'mother who left', she ended up dead (T&T). Also, it seem almost everyone that Phoenix knows is accused of murder, especially the assistants, with the exceptions so far being Trucy, Apollo, and Pearl.
This troper suggests this WMG: There will be a case where Thalassa Gramarye/Lamiroir is the victim. Apollo and Trucy may or may not know the truth. Apollo would confess for the murder just to protect Trucy, who would then be the main suspect. Imagine Phoenix's response where he thought he was saving Apollo, only to find the blame had shifted to his daughter instead. Oh, and Apollo will have black psyche-locks, too. Just because...
- I picture it differently: Thalassa returns for a comeback performance, and invites the Agency with VIP tickets. Butt Monkey Apollo has to put up with Murphy's Law for the whole day, with the last straw resulting in a very Chords of Steel-laden rant at Thalassa and storming off in a huff. The next day, Nick gets a defense request, and he pulls Athena for assistance, but essentially swears her into secrecy about the victim of the case (Thalassa). He also forbids both Apollo and Trucy (Who find out from Athena since she accidentally blurts it out) from even setting foot into the crime scene. The duo conduct their own investigation, up to and including invoking Perception on their friend/mentor/father-figure. Once the two push Nick into a corner, he pulls out one of the collected bits of evidence and presents it to the duo, Apollo specifically: Thalassa's bracelet, and his own bracelet's long lost twin. The resulting shock sends Polly into Heroic BSOD mode that not even Trucy could pull him out of. In trial, it goes smoothly until evidence of the duo's unofficial "investigation" leads the Police to indict one of them for said crime. Apollo then bursts into court, then points all suspicion to himself and refuses to say otherwise, even when confronted with a Mood Matrix session. Once again, it's up to Phoenix to save his friend from the brink and let the truth rise from the ashes.
- This one would fit in neatly with the series' occasional habit of writing cases that parallel other ones (Compare "The Stolen Turnabout" to "The Monstrous Turnabout"; the two cases are startlingly similar) as Thalassa being murdered and Apollo taking the blame for Trucy would not only parallel the UR-1 Incident, but would bring elements of "Bridge to the Turnabout" (which already parallels the UR-1 Incident neatly, though not as much as "The Monstrous Turnabout" does with "The Stolen Turnabout).
- It does feel that if any character would pull a Blackquill (or even a Godot), it would be Apollo. Apollo has a very strong Big Brother Instinct and is also someone who is both extremely emotional while actually good at hiding his feelings. Athena never noticed until Apollo unleashed his bottled up feelings what was wrong with him. Never noticed he suspected her. Meaning he was hiding it from her and hiding it well, so he could possibly fool the Mood Matrix. He's also very good at being a prosecutor, which would benefit him if he was confessing as it means he could easily close off openings for the defence to point out how he couldn't have done it and close off for the prosecution how it could be Trucy. We see his prowess for prosecuting when he does Edgeworth's job for him after showing up in court; Edgeworth doesn't actually say much after Apollo starts his testimony, since Apollo does all the refuting of the defence himself. Edgeworth even more or less says Apollo would make a good prosecutor. Between all of that, he could probably make a mostly watertight case against himself if there wasn't any other choice. It wouldn't work for him to up and claim he did it in the middle of the trial unless there were no other options. In terms of what a case in the game would look like where this happens, this is possibly what it would look like: Lamiroir is killed with one of Trucy's throwing knives. Trucy is, of course, accused for probably a few reasons including that she saw the victim last (and there's photographic evidence of her being the last person to leave the dressing room), was the last person seen with the victim, and because there are no prints on the murder weapon (as Trucy wears gloves). The trial progressively gets worse (as they do) and the prosecution in their ever-flowery and melodramatic way points out that Trucy may not have meant to kill the victim (conceding that she may have been practising her knife throwing act and unknowingly hit her mother) but that she's still responsible for her death. Phoenix has his Heroic BSOD and panics, and Apollo, acting as co-counsel, points out that there could have been another killer using a photo of the dressing room as evidence (Open window?). Trial continues and eventually it's revealed that the victim was killed by a blow to the head about an hour after impact (as not all blows to the head are bloody and kill instantly). Further, the thing they found to have possibly been what dealt the killing blow has Apollo's prints on it. He uses all of this to take the blame, since it would have been impossible before them for him to make a reasonable claim that he did it, as the evidence up to then pointed at Trucy, specifically the lack of prints on her throwing knife. It wouldn't make sense. Why? Well, he's confessing to the murder; great. If he was going to confess, why did he leave evidence incriminating Trucy? Apollo doesn't wear gloves, so the lack of prints on the knife would have meant he intentionally didn't leave any prints on a knife that he knows would immediately be linked to Trucy. So, he'd have to wait for an opening in the case to claim he did it (and improvise it on the spot). Apollo directs the blame onto himself, claiming that he didn't realise when he hit the victim that he'd done something that would kill her (in reality, he did hit her around that time and it was an accident and it definitely wasn't hard enough to kill her, meaning his lie would be a half-truth and making it easier to lie and it wouldn't trigger Trucy's perception abilities). He does his best to explain away the evidence incriminating Trucy, by stating that it's possible that Lamiroir fell on the knife when she collapsed at last from her head wound, something Phoenix proved could be possible (though lacked any concrete proof). Unlikely but perfectly plausible given the state of the dressing room, which has already been explained as being caused by her stumbling around. It just was coincidence that Trucy saw her last. He of course knows full well he didn't do it, but if he doesn't claim he did, Trucy will continue to be blamed. Something like this, I think would be what would happen, since him interrupting the trial is already too late for him to reasonably claim he did it and make it believable. There'd have to be a natural shift of the blame from her to him for it to not look like him covering for her, even when he is; he'd have to either claim it was him from the start in a situation where it's possible either of them did it, or what I already said. Unless in the previous set-up, he claims that he didn't realise he killed her until he thought about it, but even then it would be just a little unnatural. The Mood Matrix test in my set-up wouldn't play in until Day 2 where Athena is the co-counsel instead
- Alternately, of course, using this same situation, if he's the first to happen upon the crime scene and he recognises the knife, he could just tamper with the crime scene to shift the blame onto himself, which would easily produce the same thing as what Blackquill did to protect Athena.
Phoenix is an Ephebophile and deeply ashamed of it
He has at least one teenaged girl with him at all times, and by the fifth game he's surrounded by three, the oldest being a barely legal 18 year old. He's not interested in anyone over 20, which is why Maya has stopped appearing in the games, and is likely what will happen to Athena, Trucy and Pearl in due time.
As further evidence, his only "official" love interest Iris, while 26, looked exactly the same as she did when she was a teenager.
The initial scarring on Matt Engarde's face is from being slapped by an ex-girlfriend.
Matt has four long scars on his face and with there being
four of them, there's not much room for question they were left by someone's fingernails, no? Not with the way they're spaced, and considering the angle and lengths of the scars, it's not unreasonable that it's from a slap. In fact, with the scars all being different lengths, particularly the top scar on his eyebrow, it's far more likely he was hit
than doing it himself. If he did it, the scar would go past more than just his eyebrow, and the bottom scar would be the longest. You can clearly see this if you curl your hand up like you plan on scratching yourself like Matt's scars and hold them up to your face. Someone slapping him, however, would leave scars that are all different lengths, AND would justify why the scar second from the bottom is the longest, and the top scar the shortest. Matt is six feet tall, most women would be shorter than he is. someone shorter than he slapping him would probably make the scars look like they do. Her index finger wouldn't leave a very long cut, since it would have the farthest to reach, and would only strike what's jutting out (the browbone). The middle finger wouldn't encounter his face until after the ring finger, because even though the middle finger is the longest, the woman would be striking him from a lower angle, and thus the ring finger, with her hand pointing down, is closer to his face. The ring finger hits first, and the scar second from the bottom is indeed both the longest scar and the one that starts the earliest. If Matt did it himself, the longest and first-starting scar would be the one second from the top, not bottom. Not only that, but the scar left by a ring finger probably wouldn't begin until it reached his cheek anyway. To quote Ema, "scientifically speaking"... he did not put the scars there himself. Who slapped him? Possibly an angry ex who didn't like how she got dumped, who he could never find to make pay, or perhaps the scars boosted his publicity, so he chose not to pursue her. Or perhaps he did do away with her, but nobody ever found out.
The Court Record is actually a small, handheld computer used by attorneys.
Whenever someone tells you in-game to "press the Court Record button", they're not showing they know about timed hits
, but are talking about an actual digital device
used in the game. The "Press" button alerts the Judge and the Witness that the Defence or the Prosecution wishes to speak (it's only polite, after all, to let them know you want to interrupt them, and shouting Hold It!
just doesn't scream "politely interrupting"), and the "Present" button brings up the evidence on a screen, akin to the ones featured in The Movie
so the item can be talked about (though the actual item will of course be shown to the court at the same time, this function merely allows for the item to be seen by all, especially if it's something small, like glass shards). This also explains how things are instantly added to it: the data is simply shared out once approved by the Judge, and how things can be "updated" in-universe.
It makes so much sense. it would explain how you can have a 360 view of a Noodle cart without actually having said noodle cart in the courthouse. The Court Record App is sanctioned by the police and is issued and required by all lisensed Defense Attorneys (along with an Idroid Phone of the latest model should the recipient not have an applicable phone
) for use in trials.
- It keeps track of what evidence has been deemed 'admissible' and allows for a 360 scan of larger evidence. It also keeps profiles of all involved parties, including members of the opposition. It also keeps a record of any penalties accumulated (both per trial and over the course of the app's life) which is distilled into a green bar.
- During a trial, when a witness gives testimony, the app then records it and breaks it down into sentences. What you're actually seeing during cross examination is said recording, which is why you can scroll through it, even in reverse. It can be voice activated (via Hold It!) and can be added to.
- The sister app to the Court Record is the Organizer app for Prosecutors, which has the above features but also a specialized button for speed-dialling the Prosecutor's assigned Detective or assistant (determined by the user), along with a layout of the crime scene for reference (which is how you get those hypothetical scenarios with circles indicating involved parties).
- Because the smartphone it comes with is so expensive, both Nick and Polly use older phones (i.e. Smokia) for day-to-day use so as not to risk damaging the phone that is vital to their profession. Athena just requested that the app be installed in Widget, which is why her 'reading' animation has her scrolling through screens on Widget.
- There are two problems with this. One, phones are expressly stated in Case 2-4 to be not allowed in a courtroom, therefore unlikely that the court record is an app downloaded to a phone, and two, Edgeworth's organiser was used for cases that weren't yet cases with anyone but the investigators assigned, meaning there was no "court" to have a record of. I think Edgeworth's organiser is Exactly What It Says on the Tin- it's an organiser, just an electric one, probably not unlike a Kindle in size and shape, and doesn't function all that differently from a court record since both are just a collection of data (I chalk the talking to your partner feature as Edgeworth being slightly neurotic. And it was a bonus feature that came with the version that maps out the area and the people in it). Another problem with the brick phones everyone uses arises in that their screens are tiny. Too tiny to be used for purposes of a court record. It's possible Athena was able to get the programme downloaded to Widget, though. The Court Record is probably a totally separate device, though obsolete compared to Edgeworth's organiser, though it still refuses to add in the Judge or his Canadian brother (though it does add Hakari so it's not just a judge thing...) Perhaps it errors?
- There is a brief animation of Edgeworth's Organizer as the game over screen in GK 2. It's... an organizer. More specifically, one of those day planner/agenda things that opens like a book, with what looks like a leather cover. The pages are lined notebook paper; the contents are too small to be legible, but it's pretty clearly handwritten notes and sketched diagrams. Unsurprisingly, Edgeworth has very tidy handwriting.
Manfred von Karma wasn't executed.
He died from lead poisoning. Turns out leaving a bullet in your shoulder for fifteen years is really bad for your health.
Max Galactica was inspired to become a magician by Troupe Gramarye, or at the very least, Magnifi Gramarye.
After all, they were TV Magicians and stage magicians, it's possible he idolised the troupe. He was only 7 or 8 when Thalassa left the troupe and had Apollo
, and they were already famous by that point, and when Thalassa returned
, the troupe was still very famous for another decade
. Galactica wears cards on his costume, possibly because he couldn't decide which Gramarye he liked best (as all four of them were represented by a different suit), so he wore them all. Magnifi's spade brooch is also a purple similar to the colour of what Max wore in his costume, which makes sense because Magnifi was the leader of the troupe, even if he retired.
Blue parenthetical dialogue is not always thought.
Sometimes, it's the character talking under their breath or muttering to themselves
. It's not that anyone is a mind reader when they remark on the blue parenthetical dialogue (as Mia does repeatedly in case 2-4), it's that sometimes, the character accidentally voices their thoughts aloud. It's sometimes used to denote a particular kind of speech. There's also the fact, too, that the thoughts are written all over their face; Phoenix is noted a few times in the first three games that his thoughts are very, very easy to read.
Larry Butz is the new master of the Kurain
Well he was technically the apprentice of Misty Fey.
The ring on Godot's left hand...
Was going to be a proposal ring to Mia.
Franziska used to be a competitive horseback rider.
Maybe it's just me (and maybe I'm just starting the obvious), but have a look at how she dressed when she was thirteen◊
. She looks like she's wearing riding boots, and her trousers are oddly high-waisted unless they themselves are the breeches used for riding. It would also explain why she has a riding crop. Rather than just being something she picked up to hit people with, she actually used to use it for competing. Her gloves could potentially be black riding gloves, too. If you look up traditional dressage wear for the rider, Franziska's outfit bears an uncanny resemblance with exception to her lack of sleeves and black gloves (dressage usually requires white). It's highly likely she quit riding sometime after she became a prosecutor, though it might not have been wholly of her own will, because there's definitely an odd shift in her behaviour from the age of 13 to 18. Not a fairly obvious one, but at 13 she seems to be almost cheerful
, where at 18 that's replaced by smugness. There's also the fact that her Animal Motif
is a horse, not just to Godot but to Edgeworth, who calls Franziska "the same wild mare she always was". The younger Franziska was also highly competitive, perhaps she got it from being an event rider? After all, with Miles being a proficient flautist (as in, he played the flute), it's clear that the two were allowed to have other interests besides becoming prosecutors.
It's not so much that attorney badges are handed out like sweets or a job at Mickey D's, but that children view attorneys like superheroes or sports stars.
Attorneys seem to have a big deal made of them in this universe. Edgeworth being a "demon prosecutor" sounded like it was not exactly headline news, but pretty close to that. The fact that a defence attorney was murdered (presumably by a prosecutor) and his body found in a lake warranted interrupting current television programmes (something that in my memory at least was only brought on by things like the 9/11 terrorism attacks and the suspicious deaths of really important people). Usually they only save that kind of news for, well, the news. Clearly, legal figures like that are held in the highest regard, even the attorneys. The reason there are so many and why they get into the news so often is, simply, the world is already in the legal pits (no doubt in part through the last 40 years of Manfred von Karma leaving a permanent stain), but it's considered the "neutral" state that the law "naturally" is. It's clear Manfred still has his influence because none of the prosecutors, even the ones who came in after his death like Klavier, wear their prosecutor's badges, something von Karma was stated to be responsible for.
Borginian sounds like a mix of Indian and Celtic.
The way Lamirior's singing (and her songs) are described makes (at least me) think of songs sung by Enya
or Hayley Westenra
, or the kinds of songs one would find on a Celtic Woman
CD. Something borderline unearthly, clear, natural (No not in reference to auto-tune, but as in to nature itself), and beautiful. Her attire also resembles the sort of thing you'd find in a music video for such a song. However, Zinc Lablanc's character, natively Borginian, implies that Borginia has Indian roots as well, as his attire and leitmotif are based on such. The language of Borginian possibly sounds like what Indian and Celtic would sound like if they were brought together as one language, and possibly a touch of another language since "J" in Borginian is evidently said like "Y", since Machi calls Apollo "Apollo Yoostis". Possibly Finnish?
(if there ever is one) will feature Phoenix Wright as a Hero Antagonist
for at least one case.
Because come on,
what would be more fun
than finally being on the other end of Nick's zany explanations
and poking holes in them until he starts making sense?
- It is canon that Phoenix had gone country-hopping in Europe in Dual Destinies (it IS how he met Athena, after all). Considering his "job", how do you suppose he could've afforded that? As world-hopping for the purpose of studying legal systems is Edgeworth's schtick, it's not too far of a stretch to say that he had invited Phoenix for one of them. It would seem more appropriate that one of the cases be in another country with a disbarred Phoenix as either a debate partner or assistant. Not only would that make the Yaoi Fangirls squee, but it would actually mean that Edgey had extended a hand to help his friend even when he couldn't help his friend out of his disbarment.
- Studying abroad isn't just something Edgeworth does. He, Athena, Franziska, and Shigaraki all independently studied abroad, and it's not unreasonable to suggest either Payne brother has, too. It's probably uncommon for an attorney to not study abroad independently in this universe. I don't think Edgeworth would take Phoenix with him anywhere. It's not his style to have anyone tag along with him. Edgeworth is very independent, he wouldn't bring someone with just to have them stand in court with him. Phoenix is very much a defence attorney, not a prosecuting attorney. He wouldn't make for a good co-counsel to a prosecutor. Phoenix, to wit, is very much like Edgeworth's father, a defence attorney to the heart. What makes Edgeworth and Phoenix such a good team in court is their opposition to each other. I have a different theory for why Phoenix was "studying abroad" after he was disbarred (which I admittedly just realised while drafting this reply), which I'll detail in the next WMG.
Phoenix wasn't really studying abroad between his disbarment and reinstatement.
He was being sent around by Edgeworth for the express purpose of finding Athena Cykes
. Athena was the key to finding out the truth behind her mother's murder, and freeing the innocent Blackquill. This was probably obvious to Edgeworth, who couldn't hope to do anything as a regular prosecutor, and a busy one at that, so he sent someone he could completely trust who wouldn't be too busy and who it would be easy to give a cover for: Phoenix. He probably did do a bit of studying, but for the most part, he was looking for Athena. It probably took a really long time, since Athena apparently lived in Spain, France, and Germany at least
, and Phoenix was probably gone for a week at a time at most since he wouldn't want to leave Trucy and the office alone for too long (even if Edgeworth [or rather, Gumshoe] took watch of her while Phoenix was away). Eventually Edgeworth managed to pinpoint a much more specific region and sent Phoenix there to set the plan into motion to get Blackquill acquitted. Of course, a LOT rode on Athena being able to become a defence attorney in the short amount of time since Phoenix was able to make contact with her, but Edgeworth probably figured it wouldn't be too hard for Athena to pass the bar if she was already in college studying analytical psychology, which is presumably how Edgeworth located her in the first place.
Additionally, Phoenix asking Apollo to come work for him was part of the gambit because Phoenix initially thought Apollo was more bark than bite in the courtroom, despite knowing that Kristoph was the culprit. He improvised on the spot (as usual) to have Apollo work for him after seeing that he's just as good (if not better) than Phoenix had been (I say better because Apollo built on the foundations Phoenix built for himself [just as Phoenix built up on Mia's foundations] and he was seriously interested in the legal system for longer than Mr Originally-An-Art-Major-At-Uni Phoenix was). By setting up a law office through Apollo, he could tell Athena he had one for her to come work at. By doing that, it ensured she had a job, it got her to America and in the right legal district, and that she could put an end to the Dark Age of the Law with Blackquill's acquittal. Apollo
getting Phoenix acquitted of false evidence charges was probably not specifically
in the agenda (or at least, in Phoenix's agenda) but improvised by the master of improvising.
Both Edgeworth and Phoenix are fully capable heroic chessmasters
. It's not unreasonable to suggest that Edgeworth came up with the Batman Gambit
, and Phoenix complied. We know he was working with Edgeworth about something for quite some time, based on the phone call he had with Edgeworth at the start of the game (his tone could suggest he's casually updating Edgeworth in his now usual playful way rather than telling Edgeworth about Athena for the first time; he certainly sounds amused. It was his way of telling Edgeworth that he thought Athena was ready to take on her part in the gambit). We also know that Edgeworth pulled strings to get Phoenix his badge back, not just because he needed his help, but in thanks (as he says at the end of the game that he feels even more indebted to Phoenix). The gambit also included Edgeworth becoming Chief Prosecutor.
There's a few things that support this:
- One, Athena knew Blackquill's time was drawing to an end. This wasn't common knowledge. Phoenix didn't know, which is unfortunately the real hole in my testimony here, but more on that later.
- Two, Phoenix, as a disbarred lawyer, wouldn't need study law abroad. He wouldn't be able to use this knowledge so there must have been an ulterior motive.
- Three, Edgeworth was never interested in places of power; note his reaction to the King of Prosecutors award. He would have had a reason to want to take on Chief Prosecutor, especially if it takes him out of the courtroom.
- Four, as stated, Phoenix and Edgeworth are clearly scheming something at the start of the game. Here's what Phoenix says:
"These are dark times, where the law has been reduced to rubble, and it's up to us to restore it to its former glory. [...] Yeah, I know what you mean. It looks like your target has finally decided to make a move. [...] Don't you worry; I've got a trusty new partner on board. [...] She's been with us for half a year, though I can hardly believe it. Anyway, her power will be our greatest weapon. [...] Yeah, it's for this very reason I returned. [...] Time to bring it to an end."
We later learn he's talking to Edgeworth. They're definitely planning something. The conversation brings me to point five:
- The tone of Phoenix's voice when discussing Athena is considerably lighter than anything else he says. If he was just as serious talking about her as he is during the rest, then I'd say he was definitely telling Edgeworth about Athena as if the other had no idea about her. He also doesn't mention her name, which you'd think he would if he was telling Edgeworth about a newbie on his team Edgeworth didn't know about. His posture change also suggests he's making light of the situation. People tend to change postures when they adopt a different attitude to what they're talking about. The way his voice suddenly lightens, even becomes teasing, is because Edgeworth already knows about Athena and he's telling Edgeworth only in the tone of his voice, lest the line be tapped, that Athena is ready.
Now, back to that problem I mentioned, the fact that Edgeworth didn't tell Phoenix Blackquill was on death row. Well, Edgeworth probably wouldn't put all his cards on the table (he never does), and frankly, Phoenix didn't need to know Blackquill was on death row. Athena? Yes. Phoenix? No. He could have relayed the message to Athena somehow, possibly via Phoenix without telling him what the message actually meant (ie, that she's running out of time). Now, that would surely make Phoenix question it, but I have an idea as to why he may not. The Statute of Limitations may
work differently for Blackquill, since:
- A) his murder was in the first degree
- B) he confessed
- C) he was a prosecutor, ie, a member of law enforcement and
- D) he did so with an illegal weapon.
For the first, he claimed he went there with the express purpose of murdering Metis Cykes. That's a premeditated murder. The only case, I believe, that was murder in the second degree was Case 1-3. Next, self-explanatory. He admitted he did it. Third, we know from Case 1-5 that law enforcement likes to make sure violent crimes, especially murder, are dealt with swiftly when they're committed by someone in law enforcement. Lana says as much. And last point, it probably didn't help that the weapon in question was a katana, which is illegal to own for the general public and automatically makes the murder rather more violent, especially since it happened right in front of her daughter. Ergo, the Statue of Limitations for the UR-1 Incident may well have been a short 7 years, which is why he was set to be executed. His case was unique (Gant, before anyone mentions him, didn't use an illegal weapon, nor was the murder premeditated), so we may never know. The odd bit is... Dahlia died earlier than Blackquill would have. That was probably because she was suspected of the murder of others, and it was known that she definitely had something to do with Fawles' suicide. Blackquill being a prosecutor was what damned the case to a short limitation and saved him from a sooner execution. If this is plausible, Phoenix could have interpreted Edgeworth's message as such without suspicion or asking questions.
Back to the main point... it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Phoenix, when he was abroad when he met Athena, wasn't studying but specifically looking for her due to a plan by him and Edgeworth (mostly Edgeworth).
Magnifi's Secret Test of Character
just before his suicide was the last part of a gambit to see who really hurt his daughter.
Bear with me. There aren't a lot of people who would sanely use their child's fake death as a ploy to blackmail their students for pretty much no reason. Magnifi did it to make Valant and Zak resent him and continue to feel remorse and guilt and think about what happened to Thalassa, and when he learnt he was not long for the world and stuck in the hospital, he set the last part of his plan to work it out in motion. He suspected Valant, so had Zak come first, and told him to essentially do what happened to Thalassa
. It can't be a coincidence that Thalassa sustained her injuries from being shot in the head by a stage pistol, and that's exactly what he told Zak and Valant to do. There were three possible outcomes:
- One, not shooting at all. This would imply A) guilt and B) it meant they weren't clever enough to take on his legacy anyway. In the case of guilt, it meant they refused to fire the pistol that as far as they knew, took Thalassa's life by their own hand. Bit of a leap of logic, but nothing out of the ordinary for the Ace Attorney world. As to the lack of cleverness, it meant they were unworthy of his legacy. Clearly Magnifi spent an awful lot of time in England.
- Two, shooting the clown doll. This would imply A) innocence and B) cleverness. Magnifi intended for THIS result to happen. Whoever shot the clown doll shot the pistol, but didn't shoot Gramarye. Meaning they had no guilt about firing the pistol into something's head, and since both men cared about Thalassa, this would indicate the one that did this was not the one who hurt her. As to the cleverness, it meant they understood his word play enough to earn the right to his legacy. It's also the "innocence" answer by default.
- Three, shooting Magnifi. This would imply guilt. By shooting Magnifi they were silencing him about their crime of "murdering" Thalassa, and in his last moments, Magnifi would know who the real cause of Thalassa's injuries was.
Three would have left Valant out of luck if Magnifi had been wrong in guessing Zak wasn't the cause. The gambit does rely heavily on personal judgement of the results, though, since Zak could easily have been the one who did it, and he just happened to work out the solution to the puzzle.
Robin Newman and Apollo are related somehow.
They certainly look more alike than Apollo looks like his actual sister
. It's especially noticeable when they're standing right next to each other. Not only that, but they're both extremely similar in personality (at least, when Robin is pretending to be a boy), though Robin is more reckless. Maybe Apollo was going to have a twin sister, but she was stillborn, and instead ended up reincarnated in Robin.
Ace Attorney takes place in a loose, alternate Batman universe
The more I think about it, the more "The Stolen Turnabout" seems to have characters that resemble Batman. Then again, my knowledge of Batman is very
limited. Atmey is the Penguin, as he definitely dresses like him and seems to share the penguin-based motif thanks to his ridiculous tuft of yellow hair, something Rockhopper Penguins have (though theirs are more eyebrows, admittedly). Penguins are also depicted, for whatever reason, at times to be wearing red bow ties, particularly penguin costumes. He also has a long nose, like the Penguin does. Atmey is also the classiest dresser outside the Turnabout Orchestra/Jazz CDs. AND Atmey's case, personality and even his leitmotif
strongly resemble those of Florent L'Belle, who is often cited as looking very much like the Joker. It's possible they were both directly based on different Batman villain, with Atmey having the Joker's insanity over the Penguin's classy background, and L'Belle having just the opposite. I'm not sure if "The Monstrous Turnabout" and it's other characters resemble Batman characters in any other way, but let me talk more about the characters in "The Stolen Turnabout", specifically Ron and Desiree. Ron you could argue is Batman if his parents hadn't been offed, though probably with some exaggerations (thoug I'd love
to see Batman shouting Ron's dialogue in the same desperate tone, I must say. In Christian Bale's Batman voice) and some influences from Catwoman (such as, if not mostly, his being a thief). Desiree is a sexy, wild, leather-clad Biker Babe
with Batman's dislike of crime (well, mostly; she's okay with crime if it's announced
). Ron's colour scheme is also green, yellow, and red, just like Robin's. I think if you looked at the other culprits, you could probably make more Batman connections, but Atmey and L'Belle stick out the most.
Seeing as Apollo faced down the Joker and Phoenix faced down the Penguin, this begs the question of who Athena will be facing down from Batman's Rogue's Gallery, as well as who the real Batman is.
There will be a fan-made game that takes place in the Pokémon world but has the mechanics of Ace Attorney.
This could go several ways: either the cases are Lighter and Softer
than those of Ace Attorney (Shin Gyakuten Touhou
has already shown how that is possible), or the game takes place in a darker AU of Pokémon.
Detailed speculations, whereof most follow the other possibility, below.
- Possible protagonists:
- Red or Leaf from Pokemon Red And Blue, taking care of cases in Kanto, Johto, and the odd mission in Hoenn. Things will be rather different depending on who you choose:
- If you choose the former, he's the attorney, with Leaf as his perky childhood friend assistant. This Red is similar Pokémon Origins; after becoming the Champion and travelling over the world, he gradually loses interest in battling as he just keeps winning, and also believes that he has enough authority to determine the fate of those accused of various crimes. Not all of the accused can be bad guys, right? Meanwhile, Gary sees an opportunity to finally get back at Red for humiliating him and becomes a half-time Prosecutor as well as a Gym Leader.
- However, if you choose Leaf, things are slightly different. Years after the events of Gold and Silver, she goes looking for that missing mute-deaf friend who was the reason that she taught herself sign-language: Red. After defeating him on Mt. Silver, she convinces him to join her in the attorney agency she has always wanted to form in exchange for a warm and safe home, and Red slowly but surely comes back to society as a respectable member. In this scenario, Gary takes the chair of prosecutor not only to get back at Red for humiliating him, but because he kind of misses having somebody to compete against - as a Gym Leader, the challengers either get beaten at the spot or defeat him once and never return.
- The possible player characters from Platinum and X/Y joining The Looker Detective Agency. Their cases take place in Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos - yes, there's a lot of traveling involved.
- In Sinnoh, Barry acts as the prosecutor, and choosing either Dawn or Lucas makes the other of them a detective - being the assistant to a Professor is a great thing when you have access to lots of advanced technology!
- Meanwhile, playing as Calem and Serena gives you Shauna as your assistant. The one you didn't choose becomes the prosecutor.
- Possible supportive characters:
- Possible cases:
- A former proficient Trainer from Kanto has settled down to make a living growing berries, and has two separate farms, one for personal use and one for commercial use. The personal farm is poisoned, killing the Trainer and his/her Pokémon when they eat the berries (yes, even the Pecha Berries were rendered useless). Gym Leader Koga is suspected to be an accomplice at the very least due to his extensive knowledge of poison.
- A Lavaridge rookie is just trying to go through the maze that is Flannery's gym when he finds a body in one of the pools there. It soon becomes clear that somebody from Lavaridge has to be the culprit, as no outsiders were in the town at the time, and naturally the gym member standing the closest to the pool becomes the prime suspect.
- Well, there exists a crossover fan-game with anime characters. Does it count?
The main mastermind behind all games is Misty Fey.
And Maya Fey
is her accomplice. Misty Fey
never died. She was the main villain all along. Dahlia Hawthorne
was innocent, Misty framed her and made her to believe that she killed Valerie Hawthorne
and Doug Swallow
while she didn't. Morgan Fey
always tried to save everyone from the evil name Misty Fey. She also tried to make Pearl
a hero and that's why she gave her a mission to summon Dahlia's spirit
. Maya Fey
was Misty Fey's accomplice. They acted in cooperation with each other. Maya Fey was really the one who killed Mia Fey
. She killed her because Mia
eventually learned of her mother's wrongdoings. But she didn't know about Maya. After the murder Maya made it look like Red White
was the one who killed her. Though he was only spying
about her. But in the same time she wanted to gain Phoenix's trust so she stayed at the scene of the crime and pretended to be the one who found the body. She also wanted to made it look at first sight that she may be the only one who commited the crime so Phoenix would trust her completely.So she went through all the accusation thing to gain Phoenix Wright's complete trust and framed Redd White
for the killing he never did.
Misty Fey was also the one who killed Edgeworth's father
. After that she summoned the wrong guy intentionally to be expelled from village and to start performing her evil plot. She made Von Karma
to sent the letter to Yogi
. And she made him to take all the blame on him if he wouldn't be able to find Miles Edgeworth
guilty. She threatened to kill Franziska
if he wouldn't listen her. Also she was the one who planted this bullet
into his skin to be reassured. Maya in the same time was forging evidence all the time and pushing Phoenix to the wrong thoughts and decisions so he wouldn't be able to guess that Misty was really behind all things. Mia completely trusted her sister so she unintentionally helped in her evil plot all times.
In the end of the first game Maya left Phoenix Wright
to discuss their plans with her mother. After her returning
she threatened Matt Engarde
to act like an evil guy in case her wrongdoing would be found. Matt
was really a good guy all along. His good and charming self was the real one
. After the end of the events of 2 game Maya tricked Pearl into going to the Hazakura Temple. Misty Fey knew everything about Morgan's
plan and wanted to use it in her own evil plottings. They plotted there to kill Phoenix Wright and put all the blame in Pearl and Dahlia
. But Godot
was kind of nuisance. Misty didn't want her to look suspicious so she agreed to his plan. Misty Fey really summoned Dahlia Hawthorne
instead of Pearl
to fake her death
never died. And the body they found was the one which was supposed to be her
. But it wasn't. This was the fake Misty Fey who everyone though to be real
. This was the phantom
just like the one in Dual Destinies
who they used in their evil plans. They killed her and left her at the place of the crime. Godot
believed in Maya Fey's innocence. He never knew what Misty and Maya plotted and completely trusted them. Because of his unawareness Godot
was framed in killing that he didn't perform. Finally Maya acted as a poor innocent girl and fooled Phoenix and Godot even more by defending latter in court
. After that their objective was performed - the only one who could guess their real intentions went to prison. So the only one nuissance left to remove was Phoenix Wright.
Maya forced Kristoph
to make a request for creating false evidence for Grammarie
trial, to pass it for Phoenix Wright and then to gain his complete trust. Kristoph's brother's
life was in stake. By this she catched too hares. The Kristoph
went through a large amount of shock and achieved black locks that sealed his memory
. Because of that he really thought that he was doing all just for his own goals. And Phoenix Wright lost his badge
and lost his links to previous cases and all chances to know who is the real mastermind behind all of this. That was also the reason why Maya went back to Kurain Village
. That wasn't because of her training. The sole reason for this was to stay away from Phoenix Wright to not let him know the truth behind all things. That was also the reason why she didn't support him when he lost his badge. She hated him and wanted him to stay away from her and her mother's plottings. Sadly, because of Chief Prosecutor
Edgeworth (who Maya and Misty thought to be harmless for their plans) Phoenix gained his badge once again
. And that was the reason of all events in Dual Destinies. Both Maya and Misty actively tried to make all Apollo, Athena and Phoenix quarrel with each other. They did all to confuse them. They even hired yet another Phantom
to do all the killings by threatening to reveal his identity
... That was the reason why the Phantom
was so afraid. He wasn't only afraid of the moon rock
. He was much more afraid of Maya Fey. The one who Phantom
was so afraid in the end of the game
was actually her. He knew pretty well what she would do with him if he will reveal his or her identity
. And Misty still remained in shadow by this point. You may only guess what she would do in the next game. By her's and her daughter's hands countless lives were lost. And poor Phoenix Wright never even suspected WHO has been the real mastermind behind all the things that he has passed through.
EVERYONE who knew her will take notice of just how incredibly gorgeous she's become, including Phoenix. However, she'll still have the exact same goofy personality
that she's always had, clashing humorously with her looks.
- I always thought it would be the opposite, where she still looks rather plain, but carries herself with a more regal air and is more mature as the Master of Kurain, which might make her appear prettier without her having actually changed her appearance at all. Being Maya, I expect she'd still have her Man Child tenancies at times, though, no doubt in ribbing Phoenix, Edgeworth, and probably Apollo. It just wouldn't be as prominent as it used to be, since some (if not most) people, however childish they were as teens and young adults, do mature over time and can still retain their childish tenancies. Of course, that might just be a personal preference, as I find her immaturity annoying rather than endearing, though I do see and understand that people like Maya the way she is, as people find her cute and funny. Though I do like Maya..
Kristoph wasn't the one who killed Zak Gramarye
It was Phantom
. Through all game Kristoph
was constantly denying that he killed him, moreover after Phoenix directly questioned him about the murder of Zak Gramarye black
locks appeared. The same as the ones which appeared in Athena's
mind and she was found not guilty in the end
. The only decisive evidence against him was blood card
which was lost. But that is actually the whole reason why Kristoph
may be not a murderer. Any guy could just swap this card
. So my point is that Kristoph
indeed was in the place of crime. But he wasn't a murderer. He was just a witness.
Since Franziska is regarded as one of the Jerk Sue
and the Villain Sue
, and good arguments can be made for Kay being one of the Mary Sue
itself and Juniper of the Purity Sue
, it's possible that the very next game in the series, be it the Meiji Era game Ace Attorney Generations
or the next one to have Phoenix and co, will have another Parody Sue
. She'd probably be either a detective or a defence attorney (since they've already given us the prosecutor, assistant, and witness/defendant). If the former, she'll be in the Ace Attorney games, if the latter, in Investigations. She'll either be Marty Tzu
(if she's a detective), Anti-Sue
, Sympathetic Sue
, or quite possibly parody the Black Hole Sue
Apollo and Clay were giant Sci-Fi
Well, we do know Apollo used to watch Doctor Who
, at least and since Clay was an astronaut he may have been interested in shows like Doctor Who
and Star Trek
and Apollo watched them with him. And the idea of them going to cons in costume is just amusing in and of itself.
- Apollo + Red Shirt uniform. Fan artists, make it so!
- And Clay in a blue uniform, since it's sciences and he's an astronaut (which is... science).
Asexuality is the most common sexuality in the Ace Attorney universe.
It would explain the complete and utter lack of romances (even ones that don't involve the main cast), and why so many characters don't seem to feel emotional attachment to anyone besides strong friendship or family-like bonds. Almost nobody feels any sexual or romantic attachment to the people around them. Everyone who does feel romantic attachment to someone else is labelled as equally unnatural as any other by most people. It would also add another layer to why Case 3-1 was so sickening to everyone involved, especially Mia. Because there was romance involved, and Mia in particular doesn't care for romance. As a WMG up above points out, it's never stated for certain
that Diego and Mia were romantically involved. Which his feelings for her would explain why Mia could be so flat-out rude to him; it wasn't the sexist comments, it was that she knew he was crushing on her. She still hires Phoenix because she believes that his strong attachment to Dahlia was born out of overexposure to her charms (see next WMG).
It also explains why, when we hear about peoples' parents, we almost never hear about both
. The only people who I can remember we ever hear about both parents are Trucy, Apollo, and Franziska (who's father briefly mentions a wife in Investigations 2 when Franziska was just two so it can be assumed that she's Franziska's mother), and even then, none of them are together any more (though all of them were terminated by the death of one of them). Whenever we hear about parents outside those examples, we only ever hear about one
parent, and the other is never even mentioned. We never hear about Edgey's mum or Athena's dad for instance. I believe Cody Hackins from Case 1-3 mentions his father but nothing about his mother. With Franziska's family, it's possible that in this universe, Germany works differently romantically than most of the rest of the world.
Everyone being asexual for the most part also explains part of why Larry is so disliked; because he claims to feel romantic love. If this WMG is true, maybe he's actually a hipster
and that's why he claims to be in love so much. Because it makes him unique. It also explains how he goes through so many girlfriends and gets dumped so quickly. Dating isn't about romance in the AA universe, but trying to find a suitable mate and Larry's pursuing romance.
- The way I see it, the reason why there isn't much romance in the games (aside from the meta reason being that Capcom loves their Ship Tease and trying not to make any romance canon) is because it's in a work environment. While it's not illegal per-se, it's given a negative connotation because of a concept that is strangely absent from the AA-verse; Conflict of Interest. Case 3-1 is already a big example of what happens when a Law officer goes on an emotionally-charged crusade.
- Phoenix himself may not be someone who actively frowns on romance, since there's always exceptions (ie, not every heterosexual is homophobic). I actually thought the problem people would take with the explanation for the WMG (since the actual WMG itself is plausible even without the idea of disdain for people feeling romantic attraction) was that it actually kinda contradicts what has been directly stated about the Kurain village (that is, the way Maya discusses the high divorce rate would seem out of place), which I can't think of a neat handwave for right now. However, I am going to attempt to handwave Maggey and Gumshoe for my own amusement. With Maggey and Dustin, it may have been seen by everyone but Gumshoe as little more than them "testing" to see if they could tolerate each other enough to marry for the express purposes of mating (marriage being little more a ceremony to claim someone as their 'mate' to produce the most ideal offpsring; not a law but simply an ideal many are raised with). Maggey, to my recollection, never says she loved Dustin. They may have been very good friends talking about settling down as most couples do in this little WMG. The only person who ever mentions romance was Gumshoe, who is about as unlucky as Maggey herself and might be someone who does feel romantic love in a world where it's looked down on. Or maybe Maggey is also part Veela as I detailed in the next WMG about other characters, I dunno. I mean there is some basis to my little WMG (like the lack of sets of parents and that Ship Tease is only conjecture, since I at least very rarely see romance in places everyone else does, and the lack of, again, romances among even the non-main characters and the ones that exist tend to be between multiple people and centred around one person), but it's not without it's holes (such as Maya's talking about divorce and Pearly's obsession with romance not being weird to other people). It's certainly not a watertight theory, but it is somewhat plausible. It actually did only just occur to me that any time we do see romantic attraction (excepting the Delites and whatever Larry's got going on, which I've explained how both exist in my theory, and Juniper's crush on Apollo which I touch on below), there's always more than one person vying for one person's affections (Gumshoe and Dustin with Maggey, Regina and everyone except Acro and Franziska, Dahlia and every man except Diego, Thalassa had her two husbands and Valant, Klavier and Edgeworth both have legions of fangirls in-universe, Angel Starr has her innumerable boyfriends though I never took them as her romantic boyfriends but her word for informants... I think that's all of them).
Related to the above, Regina Berry, Klavier Gavin, Dahlia Hawthorne, and Thalassa Gramarye are part-Veela
, or rather, a Veela-like species.
That's why everyone falls in love with Regina, even though nearly everyone is asexual, and why people are so easily attached to the other three. Because they make
people fall in "love" with them. Regina is much closer to being a full-Veela than the other three because her charms affect nearly everyone, instead of just primarily the opposite sex. It also explains part of Ema's hatred for Klavier; she's attracted to him partially because of his Veela blood, and hates it because she's also secretly closeted about the fact that she feels romantic attraction (as evidenced by her crush on Edgeworth as a teenager) and his Veela blood makes her want to proclaim her attraction to him (as his fangirls do and are fine with doing). Dahlia and Thalassa likewise are part-Veela, as people fall all over them. Dahlia can even make things burst into flames (her butterflies) like how Veela can throw fireballs when they go into Harpy mode. However, the Veela trait that makes everyone attracted to them doesn't always get passed on (as it hasn't been to Trucy or Kristoph). Apollo inherited some of his mother's Veela abilities, but they don't always work. That would explain why he's the biggest Chick Magnet
with the canon female characters. Oh. And Edgeworth. If I count Klaiver and his legion of fangirls, I should count Edgeworth since he has in-universe fangirls, too, according to Gumshoe.
The reason Maya doesn't show up any more is because Mia isn't needed in the story any more.
Well, it certainly explains
why Maya's not around; Nick doesn't need her to channel her sister any more, so she doesn't have as much reason to be around the office except to hang out.
When Apollo met Klavier but before they spoke to each other, Klavier was lying about something.
Hence the intense stare. Klavier accidentally triggers Apollo's perception abilities, but since he didn't know about them quite yet, it just manifested as an intense stare at more or less nothing.
Edgeworth never had black Psyche-Locks regarding the DL-6 Incident, even if Phoenix had the Magatama at the time.
I genuinely am at a loss for why everyone else seems to think he would have. His traumatic event doesn't line up with why Athena had them. Espella and Eve
? They most likely had them, since their traumatic event and discovery of the truth behind it closely resembled Athena learning the truth about her mother's death. Edgeworth? No. He remembered everything about the DL-6 that he could possibly remember. He wasn't hiding anything, subconsciously or otherwise. He legitimately had no idea who murdered his father because he passed out after hearing Manfred scream and didn't wake up until long after his father was murdered and never heard
the scream again except in his nightmares. His trauma about the event can be far easily compared to what Maya most likely experienced from Case 1-2, Case 2-2, and Case 3-5. Edgeworth didn't have any memories that were blocked from him about the event, ergo, he couldn't possibly have had the special Psyche-Locks reserved for such a thing.
- OBJECTION! If Edgeworth truly remembered everything, then there would be no reason for him to suspect that he murdered his father during DL-6, since the scream was from someone outside the elevator. He might have remembered the scream, but who the scream belonged to would be cause enough for a black psyche lock, just like Athena remembered stabbing someone during the UR-1 incident, but her psyche-locks didn't break until the possibility that the person she stabbed wasn't her mother was presented.
- OBJECTION! *slams hands on bench* Athena actually saw the person she stabbed, she could directly recall they were wearing a mask, they were a stranger, and wearing her mother's coat. Edgeworth heard the scream and fainted almost immediately after. He wasn't concious when the power came back on, and the killer of the DL-6 says that the reason he was able to enter the lift was because the power came back on. The person who screamed was still outside in the hall, behind a closed door, and the window looked way too high for Miles to see through even if he was standing. He never actually saw who he shot and who screamed. He just heard a scream and fainted. He had no way of actually knowing who the murderer was because the only thing he knew about them was they screamed in agony. *points* Therefore, there is no way he could have had any Black Psyche-Locks!
- OBJECTION! *shakes head* It seems we're both trying to say the same thing. It's not possible that Edgeworth remembered everything about the scream, since that would lead him to conclude that the person he shot may not have been his father. The question then is: did he simply not hear everything, or did he hear it, but suppress the resulting memory of it? He should at least have known where the scream came from hearing it; a scream from outside the elevator would have been muffled by the door and sound different than if it happened on the inside.
- OBJECTION! The thing people say he his behind these supposed Black Locks would be the identity of the killer. Von Karma's statement about the murder lines up with both the testimony of Miles Edgeworth and the statement given by his father, Gregory. Von Karma states that everyone in the lift was passed out when he came onto it. Seeing as Miles Edgeworth never remembers the lights coming back on nor the doors opening, he likely completely lost conciousness almost immediately after throwing the gun, as did Mr Yogi and Mr Gregory Edgeworth. This is backed by von Karma's statements regarding the murder. Shortly after he himself was shot, the power came back on and the doors to the lift opened up to reveal three unconscious people. As none of the people in the lift can remember this happening, or at least, the person we're discussing could not, it's impossible for Mr Miles Edgeworth to know the identity of his father's murderer. Regarding Miles Edgeworth's memory of the scream, as the scream is what he remembers most, it likely did not sound muffled in the slightest to him, at least, no more muffled than anything going on around him as he was passing out from oxygen deprivation.
Maya's response to the "Ladder-vs-Stepladder" debate is a quote from the Steel Samurai.
Hence why her reply is exactly the same every time.
Kane Bullard was originally meant to die from asphyxiation.
Bullard, for those who don't remember as I sure as heck don't expect you to, was the victim in Case 3-2. This has been nagging at me since I began playing these games and first came across this case. If you look at the photo of Bullard's corpse, he doesn't show any signs of being hit on the forehead. Fine, I'll buy that as possible. What I find odd is the weapon is never
brought up (at least, I don't recall it being brought up and I definitely don't remember what it was if it was mentioned). Which is pretty unusual in these games. Now, have a look-see at his body◊
. Notice something odd? Apart from the lack of head injury? His tie is twisted around behind him (it goes to narrow when it gets to his neck to just be facing the correct way, especially since with the way Bullard is laying, his left shoulder should be raised slightly, therefore making what of the tie that is to his right shorter by virtue of moving his chest to be slightly raised on the left; you can even see that his shoulder is raised slightly in the picture and the knot for his tie if you look hard enough), his tongue is protruding out (yes, that's his tongue and not his lower lip; his lower lip is not even close to that full in his character art/mugshot), and his eyes are bugged (I believe they're bugged because when eyes are drawn closed, there is rarely a line drawn all the way around the eye to indicate the entire eyelid. Usually, the top is left out or rendered by a short line that doesn't connect to anything, yet here it's drawn in and connects to the other two lines drawn. Ergo, his eyes are open and his pupils are pointing to his right, where the knot of his tie and thus, his assailant, were). These things (the eye bulging and the tongue protruding) do tend to happen when you choke on something, your tongue sticking out due to attempting to cough. Which begs the question of why the hell did they change it if he originally died by asphyxiation
(supposing I'm right anyway).
Franziska kept de Killer's calling card from Case 2-4 as a reminder of the case, and that's why it was never given back.
Case 2-4 had a huge emotional impact on Franziska, since that's when she really changed who and what she was. She may have kept it as a reminder that she no longer has to be perfect, that (ironically, given the case) the defendant isn't always as guilty as she grew up thinking they were, that the truth is more important than the verdict, and that it's more than okay to lose. She never gave it back because it began to hold sentimental value to her.
Edgeworth is British, which we can probably assume his father Gregory is whom he got his accent from. If Gregory was an attorney in England, he's probably worked with at least a few cast members from Professor Layton
, and Greg is a proper gentleman, just like Hershel. We also know the universes of Layton and Wright are one and the same.
- While I like the ring of the title 'Barrister Edgeworth' I don't think that Edgey is British (or at least, British citizenship by birth). Probably British ancestry, as the last name implies Edgey had some blacksmiths as ancestors.
- Since when do surnames mean ANYTHING in relation to their origins in fictionland? The name is just supposed to mean he's like a double-edged sword and worthy of battle. The reason I say Edgeworth is British is because he actually has a RP accent, or a stereotypical, formal, proper English accent, in all the games (even in the original trilogy and Investigations). He had to get it from somewhere, presumably his father since his mother clearly died before Gregory did.
Phoenix will get arrested for murder (again) and will have Athena as his lawyer.
Well, she's the only one who HASN'T defended him yet. Apollo, Mia,and Phoenix himself have all defended him.
The reason Ema failed her forensics exam is because she didn't follow the official, by-the-book directions.
When you first meet Ema, she tells Phoenix she's "been developing a new scientific method of case investigation". If she used that new method when taking her test, she would fail because the test most likely required her to preform by the book. Even if her methods were ultimately better, she failed only because she didn't follow directions, which is pretty important.
Why Phoenix was disbarred and neither Edgeworth nor Manfred were when they were caught presenting forged evidence.
I find it odd that people don't get why this was, but I suppose the connection isn't exactly obvious, either. He's a defence attorney, and a defence attorney forging evidence would actually be far more a menace to the case than a prosecutor doing so, because of Double Jeopardy. We learn about Double Jeopardy in Case 3-2, and it means that someone who's been found to be Not Guilty of a crime cannot
be charged with the same felony, even if it's later proven they are
Guilty. The prosecution is not bound by this, because they fight to prove the defendant is actually Guilty. On the contrary, the opposite
of Double Jeopardy happens. A Guilty verdict can be overturned during an appeal. Manfred and Edgeworth, who are prosecutors, both got in trouble for presenting evidence exactly like Phoenix's: neither prosecutor knew the evidence was forged (though von Karma had forged evidence before then, this time, he didn't know). They were not disbarred because they're prosecutors, and the verdict they fight for can be overturned. A defence attorney's verdict cannot. Therefore, the punishment for forgery is much, much more severe for a defence attorney. A defence attorney is just as responsible for the evidence they present as the prosecution is, after all. All three situations were the same, but because Phoenix is a defence attorney, and because a Not Guilty verdict cannot
be overturned, he was disbarred. Think of it like... the difference between murder in the second degree (non-premeditated murders, often done on impulse or stemming from an injury not intended to kill but seriously maim), and murder done in justified self defence (killing when defending yourself from attack). While neither murder is premeditated (neither forgery was intended on the part of the presenter), second degree murder still has a malicious intent behind it where murder in self defence is not malicious in nature. Phoenix essentially committed second degree murder in this metaphor (non-premeditated murder with mailcious intent = unknowingly presented false evidence to get the defendant a verdict that cannot be overturned) and was sent to jail (disbarred), where Manny and Miles committed murder in self defence (non-premeditated murder without malicious intent = unknowingly presenting evidence to get the defendant a verdict that can be overturned) and were not sent to jail, though have the offence on their criminal record and conscience (the penalties).
- A good theory, but Simon Blackquill's case seems to imply it's just as difficult to get a guilty verdict overturned as it is to retry someone found innocent (especially if the death penalty is involved since that creates a time limit). Even with both Phoenix and Edgeworth working towards Blackquill's acquittal, it took a hostage situation just for the case to be heard again.
- I did that that into account, since that's outright stated in Case 1-4 by Edgeworth and I believe by Phoenix in Case 3-3. But it's not impossible to overturn a Guilty verdict like it is with a Not Guilty. The reason Blackquill's case wasn't ever retried before then is because no new evidence was ever found to prove the Guilty verdict was wrong. That's actually stated by Edgeworth as the reason why. It's the only reason why it wasn't retried, because Aura kept trying to get it brought back to trial.
Black Psyche-Locks do not always come in groups of five.
Five of them means the secret is hidden at it's deepest, where one would mean that it's hidden deep, but it won't take much to unlock it, either, nor will it cause as severe a damage if the chains are forced away. Ema's hidden memory about the "Blue Badger" would have garnered a single black lock, as it takes little for her to remember it, but she herself says the memory was hidden deep inside her.
Grossberg Law Offices is the name of the office for all of the State attorneys, or at least, it has state attorneys working for it.
And that's why Mia was able to take Phoenix's case in Turnabout Memories without (apparently) consulting Phoenix, and instead begging Grossberg to let her take it and how that was able to happen. And before you ask about Kristoph and Apollo, remember that Phoenix made the choice to switch lawyers, not Apollo so it's a different story.
Edgeworth never told Franziska exactly what her father was convicted for.
Having a hard time explaining this one so it makes sense... Franziska doesn't seem to know anything about the DL-6 and what her father did during that case. She, in Investigations 2, is clearly shocked and horrified to learn her father forged evidence in the IS-7; she should have known this if she knew what happened in the DL-6 because that was the motive behind Manfred killing Gregory. It would also explain why she continues to talk about her father with praise in front of him. She's not being a jerk, she's Innocently Insensitive
. As to a reason, that's easy; Edgeworth was sparing her feelings. She doesn't need to know that her father murdered Gregory Edgeworth. If she did, it would hurt her more than what Case 1-4 looks like if you remove the DL-6 aspects from the case: her father helping a stranger get revenge for being wronged by a defence attorney. He was simply not telling her the whole truth, especially since he probably knew that Franziska's whole world started to crumble with the knowledge that her father helped with a murder alone. Edgeworth neglected to tell her that he'd manipulated evidence, hid the truth for 15 years, tried to blame Edgeworth himself for murder, let someone else take the fall for the same murder, attacked and could have killed Edgeworth's own defence attorney and his assistant... Had he told her, Fran probably wouldn't have stayed as true to her father as she did up until I2, where she avoided mentioning him except when comparing Yumihiko's situation to her own.
The reason Franziska considers Edgeworth her "little" brother is a mix of him being a von Karma for a shorter period of time, and through that something resembling Middle Child Syndrome
Edgeworth came into the family after she did, so is the "baby" of the von Karma family in terms of years of being associated with the von Karma family name. Odd logic but it sounds like something she'd believe due to her obsession with and her faith in her family name. She also seemed to consider herself The Unfavourite
, at least compared to Miles. Between her elder sister and her adopted brother taking all of her father's attention like the baby of the family usually would (likely due to being Gregory's son and being older, thus able to understand better and more than the seven years younger Franziska), Franziska considers herself the middle child.
In Dai Gyakuten Saiban
, the person who made Ryuunosuke's Katana will have 'Mitsurugi' as a last name.
- Why? Because of the name itself. "Mitsurugi" means "Honorable Blade". Likewise, "Mitsurugi" is the Japanese counterpart to "Edgeworth".
The results of Ema Skye's forensic exam was tampered with
Basically, Ema didn't fail the exam like she thought. She passed it by a very slim margin. However, somebody tampered with her test results and so as far as anybody's concerned, she failed. This is why Ema is as bitter about it as she is, because she thought she worked hard to pass the test, and thought she passed, and so to believe she failed crushed her.
So why would somebody tamper with her test? Simple: her sister Lana. It's because of Lana, and all the terrible things Lana did while she was being blackmailed by Damon Gant. The scandal surrounding Gant and Lana destroyed a lot of credibility in the police department and the DA's office. Not to mention both ruined a lot of careers. Not to mention Ema herself was suspected of accidentally killing a very popular prosecutor. There was bound to be more than one person with a grudge.
So Ema "failing" the forensic exam might actually be some mean spirited payback against Lana Skye through Ema. And the only reason that Ema succeeded in becoming a detective was because these same people didn't want it to be obvious they had sabotaged her career.
Phoenix's disbarment was actually caused by him breaking a mirror
Breaking a mirror brings 7 years of bad luck. Now, how many years did Phoenix go without a badge before getting his name cleared?
Kay will become a detective
Just look at what she usually does in the Investigations games. She seems like she'd be more comfortable out in the field, investigating and "stealing" evidence from criminals and shady witnesses than prosecuting or defending in a courtroom.
takes place in the far future of Ace Attorney, in a timeline where Vera died.
After the Bad Ending of Apollo Justice occurs, Phoenix's last gambit would have fallen through, causing him to commit suicide out of despair. To avoid any of his friends finishing his work or avenging him, Kristoph hires someone to wipe out Kurain and the spirit mediums. Without spirit mediums to perform channellings, the spirit world would have been severely affected. The sum of the destroyed spirit channelling power thus manifested as the Temsik Meteorite and returned to Earth, allowing spirits to act autonomously in absence of spirit mediums.
- Yomiel is a reincarnation of Phoenix (His incredible luck of getting crushed by the giant mascot and still surviving, getting falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit, etc.) Lynne is a reincarnation of Kay, Ema and Maya (Her proficiency at doing illegal stuff like evading arrest, her fangirl status towards Jowd and Cabanela, and her Big Eater tendecies respectively). The rock star prisoner in the special prison is a reincarnation of Klavier, albeit with far less musical skill than before.
- That also explains why the Death Penalty is still in place: Had the Jurist System succeeded, it would have been abolished as having common people decide verdicts might result in an innocent person being executed, so execution would have been replaced by life imprisonment if the Good Ending had occurred.
- Also, Yomiel's despair at being arrested and accused of espionage, leading to him panicking and fleeing occurs because in the far future, good lawyers no longer exist. Phoenix's failure to clear his name and subsequent suicide shattered any hopes of a generation of good defense attorneys following in his footsteps, so Yomiel would not have had anyone to properly defend him and he saw no other way out.
Ace Attorney takes place in the same universe as Case Closed/ Detective Conan
- It explains why it is always murder with complicated tricks.
- Bonus point for the original Gyakuten Saiban which also takes place in the Japan. It explained the three days trials system since the crime rates are too high and murder is a daily occurence.
- Young!Edgeworth actually looked like Conan.
- Ran's mother is actually a defense attorney
- Phantom is a Black organization member, probably taught by Vermouth to use disguise.
Ace Attorney takes place in the same universe as Megaman
Just look at the robot in Dual Destinies...
The non-facial cues she uses to identify Phoenix are his hair and his blue jacket, which is why she gets confused in case 3-3.
Barbara, one of the Doctor's very first companions, is an incredibly badass history teacher from London. As for why he lacks her English accent, possibly he's related to Barbara through a brother, who is Nick's dad.