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6th Jun '17 3:46:22 AM NNinja
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[[WMG:SingleTargetSexuality is the most common sexuality in Ace Attorney universe.]]
Alternative to the theory above about asexuality. It actually does ''better'' job at explaining why we hardly ever hear about both parents and most times we hear about single one the other is dead. No one ever remaries. Let's look at the couples so far shall we?
* Phoenix and Iris, between their break-up and Hazakura case neither was with anyone else.
* Mia and Diego, Mia had no boyfriend after Diego went into coma, and when he recovered he was still in love with her.
* Judge and his wife are confirmed to be HappilyMarried.
* same for Ron and Dessie.
* Jack Cameron and Jill Crane, after Jack died Jill spent 12 years plotting her revenge, Justine suggester they're TogetherInDeath.
* Dhurke and Amara, 25 years of undying love.
This is also why Larry is considered such a weirdo, not because of his interest in romance at all, but because he's SerialRomeo. The characters that we know have remaried(Morgan and Papa Hawthorne) are confirmed to have not married for love in the first place. This is also why Dick didn't get Maggie, she is Dustin-sexual and therefore not interested in anyone else. Thalassa getting Zak after Jove is just an exception to the rule.

9th May '17 9:45:25 PM Smileycathy1128
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[[WMG:Ryuunosuke was reincarnate as Apollo Justice]]
The name "Ryuunosuke" is a combination of Phoenix's and Apollo's Japanese names. And Ryuunosuke is only confirmed to be Phoenix's ancestor.
9th May '17 10:34:19 AM TaylorHyuuga
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* Jossed as of Spirit of Justice. Apollo's father died while abroad, and Thalassa couldn't find him.
30th Mar '17 8:46:05 AM alrob1995
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[[WMG: Manfred Von Karma was originally a good person.]]
Manfred was originally a moral and cairing person with a high sense of justice, who wanted to become a prosecutor to fight for the truth and support victims of crimes, rather than just to win; but due to an extremely traumatic experience, his mental health plummeted, he started developing mental illnesses; went into a state of bitter hatred and depression and started developing pathelogical perfectionist tendancies. His family broke contact with him as they believed that the original Manfred they knew and loved had died. He killed himself in prison after the events of Turnabout Goodbyes due to realizing what he had become.
25th Feb '17 2:41:44 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Diego Armando is related to DoraTheExplorer.]]

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[[WMG: Diego Armando is related to DoraTheExplorer.WesternAnimation/DoraTheExplorer.]]
31st Jan '17 8:59:48 AM JohnZ
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[[WMG: The series' PunnyNames are not the actual names of the people involved in the case, but rather the result of anonymizing Nick's case files.]]
Whoever is relaying the info is "[[Series/{{Dragnet}} changing the names to protect the innocent]]". And also at times kinda unimaginative.
15th Dec '16 9:37:35 AM system
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15th Dec '16 4:54:36 AM sumguy
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[[WMG: Becoming a defense attorney or prosecutor is as simple as applying to [=McDonalds=].]]

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[[WMG: Becoming a defense attorney or prosecutor is as simple as applying to [=McDonalds=].[=McGiants=].]]



[[WMG: [[Franchise/MetalGear The Patriots]] are the Totalitarian Dictatorship from the previous [=WMGs=].]]
Think about it. As mentioned above, the trials are ridiculous kangaroo courts. But they're still needed to maintain the facade of a free society, central to The Patriots goal of controlling information flow in society. Obviously, the Ace Attorney games take place in a continuity that is pre-2014 USA. Any discrepancies in the dates can be explained by Patriot information changing. Hell, the entire Ace Attorney series could be a LITERAL video game, in-universe: a VR simulation set up to train lawyers like Apollo to be like Phoenix Wright, the "Big Boss / Solid Snake" of the battlefield of the courtroom, after they got rid of him using fake evidence when he outlived his usefulness. [[MindScrew Using Memes! Possibly... Maybe]]. Any games with improvements in the perceived hijinks of the legal system are set after 2014 - when The Patriots were taken down. Any discrepancies there can be handwaved by the fact that the system is still recovering from having its "head" (The AI system) cut off.

This also explains why the games are set in Japan for Japan and California for the English release, while the characters seem to fit into any environment: The characters are all Patriot/Philosopher sleeper agents, in the same vein as EVA/Big Mama and ADAM/Adamshka/"Revolver" Ocelot. They can speak the language and act as natives of any land they are sent to, whether it be Japan or California.

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[[WMG: [[Franchise/MetalGear The Patriots]] la le lu li los]] are the Totalitarian Dictatorship from the previous [=WMGs=].]]
Think about it. As mentioned above, the trials are ridiculous kangaroo courts. But they're still needed to maintain the facade of a free society, central to The Patriots la le lu li los goal of controlling information flow in society. Obviously, the Ace Attorney games take place in a continuity that is pre-2014 USA. Any discrepancies in the dates can be explained by Patriot la le lu li lo information changing. Hell, the entire Ace Attorney series could be a LITERAL video game, in-universe: a VR simulation set up to train lawyers like Apollo to be like Phoenix Wright, the "Big Boss / Solid Snake" of the battlefield of the courtroom, after they got rid of him using fake evidence when he outlived his usefulness. [[MindScrew Using Memes! Possibly... Maybe]]. Any games with improvements in the perceived hijinks of the legal system are set after 2014 - when The Patriots la le lu li los were taken down. Any discrepancies there can be handwaved by the fact that the system is still recovering from having its "head" (The AI system) cut off.

This also explains why the games are set in Japan for Japan and California for the English release, while the characters seem to fit into any environment: The characters are all Patriot/Philosopher la le lu li lo/Philosopher sleeper agents, in the same vein as EVA/Big Mama and ADAM/Adamshka/"Revolver" Ocelot. They can speak the language and act as natives of any land they are sent to, whether it be Japan or California.



* There's a couple of parallels between Rise from the Ashes and the Investigations story arc. There's a general theme of "the limitations of the law" running through both. In Rise from the Ashes, Lana makes a comment about "doing what we had to do to get Darke the sentence he deserved". Lana and Gant (and Edgeworth, to a lesser extent) felt that the "law" was too limited in its ability to bring certain dangerous men to justice, hence the need to fabricate evidence. This shows up in Investigations when we learn the truth about the Yatagarasu: Faraday and Badd had decided that the power of the law to bring about justice was too limited, and formed the Yatagarasu to work outside the bounds of the law, as that was the only way they could defeat Alba's crime ring. Also, in both cases, the villain is ultimately defeated by an illegally obtained piece of evidence: the patch of leather to Damon Gant, and the "trump card" to Quercus Alba. In both cases our heroes question whether is it "right" to use this evidence. Finally, this final confrontation in Investigations is foreshadowed by Gant's quote to Edgeworth: "One day you'll understand. If you want to take them on alone...you'll figure out what's needed". And we see that this troubles Edgeworth--he later says to Phoenix that given a few more years, he might have tried to do what Gant did. And what happens? A few years later, Edgeworth is forced to use illegally obtained pieces of evidence...in order to get Alba the sentence he deserved.

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* There's a couple of parallels between Rise from the Ashes and the Investigations story arc. There's a general theme of "the limitations of the law" running through both. In Rise from the Ashes, Lana makes a comment about "doing what we had to do to get Darke the sentence he deserved". Lana and Gant (and Edgeworth, to a lesser extent) felt that the "law" was too limited in its ability to bring certain dangerous men to justice, hence the need to fabricate evidence. This shows up in Investigations when we learn the truth about the Yatagarasu: Faraday and Badd had decided that the power of the law to bring about justice was too limited, and formed the Yatagarasu to work outside the bounds of the law, as that was the only way they could defeat Alba's crime ring. Also, in both cases, the villain is ultimately defeated by an illegally obtained piece of evidence: the patch of leather to Damon Gant, and the "trump "Douche card" to Quercus Alba. In both cases our heroes question whether is it "right" to use this evidence. Finally, this final confrontation in Investigations is foreshadowed by Gant's quote to Edgeworth: "One day you'll understand. If you want to take them on alone...you'll figure out what's needed". And we see that this troubles Edgeworth--he later says to Phoenix that given a few more years, he might have tried to do what Gant did. And what happens? A few years later, Edgeworth is forced to use illegally obtained pieces of evidence...in order to get Alba the sentence he deserved.




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* [[http://i.imgur.com/y4PFiX9.jpg Jossed.]]
4th Dec '16 12:28:56 PM bwburke94
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Well, she's the only one who HASN'T defended him yet. Apollo, Mia,and Phoenix himself have all defended him.
* If we're going textbook technicalities, [[spoiler:Gregory didn't defend him either]] but that one [[{{Understatement}} will be a little hard to fulfill]].

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Well, she's the only one who HASN'T defended him yet. Apollo, Mia,and Mia, and Phoenix himself have all defended him.
* If we're going textbook technicalities, [[spoiler:Gregory didn't defend him either]] but that one [[{{Understatement}} will be a little hard to fulfill]].
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I know this sounds crazy but hear me out. Dahlia had a lot to say about Iris in the last case, none of it good (generally Iris was called a "backstabber"), which suggests that Dahlia is [[{{Understatement}} not particulary fond of her sister]]. But in their backstory Dahlia plans to kill Phoenix right after Diego's poisoning and Iris talks her out of it. That's right, the vilest murderess in the series (maybe except Queen Bitchy) who cares about no one but herself was talked out of killing someone by her NiceGirl sister, whom Dahlia openly disliked, that's how convincing Iris can be. Later during Pheonix's trial Dahlia initially claims that Phoenix didn't do anything to Swallow, which, if Mia would take it at face value, could save Phoenix from guilty verdict. Now why would a person who cares about no one do such a thing? Because if Phoenix was found guilty Iris would be ''pissed'' and Dahlia wanted to avoid that. Initially she tried to frame him because she panicked after killing Swallow, and DidntThinkThisThrough, but then decided that she doesn't want to make Iris angry, and tried to fix this. That's also why she mentioned lightnings, she wanted to make it look like lightning strike rather than Phoenix. Why would she earlier try to kill him then? She didn't just try to kill him, she also wanted to frame Iris, to get rid of her. But framing Phoenix for Swallow's murder would leave her with no way of dealing with very angry Iris. Of course once Mia tried to expose her, Dahlia decided that pissed off Iris is still a lesser problem than guilty verdict for murder, and then tried to pin it on Phoenix to save herself. Now during Hazakura, when Maya locked herself in the cave she set only one Trick Lock. But later when Dahlia threw Iris into the cave she set up ''five'' just to make sure Iris ''stays'' in the cave. Because Iris is ''[[BewareTheNiceOnes that]]'' scary under that cute smile, and Dahlia being her twin sister knows this.

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I know this sounds crazy but hear me out. Dahlia had a lot to say about Iris in the last case, none of it good (generally Iris was called a "backstabber"), which suggests that Dahlia is [[{{Understatement}} not particulary fond of her sister]].sister. But in their backstory Dahlia plans to kill Phoenix right after Diego's poisoning and Iris talks her out of it. That's right, the vilest murderess in the series (maybe except Queen Bitchy) who cares about no one but herself was talked out of killing someone by her NiceGirl sister, whom Dahlia openly disliked, that's how convincing Iris can be. Later during Pheonix's trial Dahlia initially claims that Phoenix didn't do anything to Swallow, which, if Mia would take it at face value, could save Phoenix from guilty verdict. Now why would a person who cares about no one do such a thing? Because if Phoenix was found guilty Iris would be ''pissed'' and Dahlia wanted to avoid that. Initially she tried to frame him because she panicked after killing Swallow, and DidntThinkThisThrough, but then decided that she doesn't want to make Iris angry, and tried to fix this. That's also why she mentioned lightnings, she wanted to make it look like lightning strike rather than Phoenix. Why would she earlier try to kill him then? She didn't just try to kill him, she also wanted to frame Iris, to get rid of her. But framing Phoenix for Swallow's murder would leave her with no way of dealing with very angry Iris. Of course once Mia tried to expose her, Dahlia decided that pissed off Iris is still a lesser problem than guilty verdict for murder, and then tried to pin it on Phoenix to save herself. Now during Hazakura, when Maya locked herself in the cave she set only one Trick Lock. But later when Dahlia threw Iris into the cave she set up ''five'' just to make sure Iris ''stays'' in the cave. Because Iris is ''[[BewareTheNiceOnes that]]'' scary under that cute smile, and Dahlia being her twin sister knows this.
11th Nov '16 2:26:43 PM NNinja
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[[WMG: Dahlia was afraid of Iris]]
I know this sounds crazy but hear me out. Dahlia had a lot to say about Iris in the last case, none of it good (generally Iris was called a "backstabber"), which suggests that Dahlia is [[{{Understatement}} not particulary fond of her sister]]. But in their backstory Dahlia plans to kill Phoenix right after Diego's poisoning and Iris talks her out of it. That's right, the vilest murderess in the series (maybe except Queen Bitchy) who cares about no one but herself was talked out of killing someone by her NiceGirl sister, whom Dahlia openly disliked, that's how convincing Iris can be. Later during Pheonix's trial Dahlia initially claims that Phoenix didn't do anything to Swallow, which, if Mia would take it at face value, could save Phoenix from guilty verdict. Now why would a person who cares about no one do such a thing? Because if Phoenix was found guilty Iris would be ''pissed'' and Dahlia wanted to avoid that. Initially she tried to frame him because she panicked after killing Swallow, and DidntThinkThisThrough, but then decided that she doesn't want to make Iris angry, and tried to fix this. That's also why she mentioned lightnings, she wanted to make it look like lightning strike rather than Phoenix. Why would she earlier try to kill him then? She didn't just try to kill him, she also wanted to frame Iris, to get rid of her. But framing Phoenix for Swallow's murder would leave her with no way of dealing with very angry Iris. Of course once Mia tried to expose her, Dahlia decided that pissed off Iris is still a lesser problem than guilty verdict for murder, and then tried to pin it on Phoenix to save herself. Now during Hazakura, when Maya locked herself in the cave she set only one Trick Lock. But later when Dahlia threw Iris into the cave she set up ''five'' just to make sure Iris ''stays'' in the cave. Because Iris is ''[[BewareTheNiceOnes that]]'' scary under that cute smile, and Dahlia being her twin sister knows this.
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