- Either that or Ryuunosuke married another woman.
- Hinted at at the end of the second game with Susato going back to Japan with Ryunosuke, wanting to stay by his side(they’re literally being shipped at the end!)
- Why? Because of the name itself. "Mitsurugi" means "Honorable Blade". Likewise, "Mitsurugi" is the Japanese counterpart to "Edgeworth".
- Unfortunately, there will be no English localization until Capcom Japan gives a concrete answer.
- There is now, with The Great Ace Attourney Cronicles.
- Unfortunately, there will be no English localization until Capcom Japan gives a concrete answer.
- Partially jossed, partially confirmed. The one that plays on the first trailer is Sherlock Holmes's theme, but the first music in both the second and the spring trailer is indeed Ryuunosuke's.
- Ironically, it is known that Ryuunosuke himself gets into trouble and he decided to defend himself in court, similar to Phoenix who had to defend himself in the very first Ace Attorney game.
- Hinted at at the end of the second and quite literally shipped in fact! With Susato wanting to be by Ryunosuke’s side, going back to Japan with him.
- Not confirmed as of now but the recurring joke definitely will be in there.
- Confirmed as of DGS 2, which has 2 ladder jokes! In addition, the shovel joke from DGS 1 continues.
- Not confirmed as of now but the recurring joke definitely will be in there.
- If this is true, then it also means it's likely that this will be the first game in which they won't have to hand-wave the Japanese culture in the games's settings.
- I sincerely doubt they'll keep "Naruhodou" as the surname since otherwise most people who play the games won't be able to make the connection that it's Phoenix's ancestor. Not everyone who plays these games comes onto TV Tropes, the Wikia, or speaks Japanese and would thus get the reference. They may keep Ryuunosuke, but not "Naruhodou".
- They said MERGE it, not completely change it into Japanese. There's plenty of ways that they can keep the Japanese name while making it clear he's actually Wright's ancestor.
- They might not mention the location, as they never directly do in-universe unless you're looking at a specific piece of evidence.
- I'm pretty damn sure they'll at least make it clear if it takes place in America or not. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connections.
- And don't forget how the setting will make it so obvious its set in japan that the only thing they will get if they try to find a way to hand wave the setting is a lot of facepalms.
- I'm pretty damn sure they'll at least make it clear if it takes place in America or not. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connections.
- It seems that the game is primarily set in London, so the easiest way to go about it would be to have Ryunosuke meet a British woman with the last name Wright and imply a love connection between the two.
- Or perhaps, if they really want to make him a Wright from the get-go, have him be a child of a Japanese woman with the last name Naruhodou, and a Westerner with the last name Wright. He then could stress his mother's Japanese surname while in Japan, while eventually using the "Wright" surname while in London since, most likely, people would have trouble pronouncing the Japanese name.
- For bonus points, "Ryuunosuke Naruhodou" will actually be renamed to "Chiron Naruhodou" to keep both the theme naming with Phoenix and Apollo with a word that reasonably could be confused for a Japanese name and to acknowledge the Japanese setting that the first part of the game has.
- Jossed. Ryuunosuke's name isn't changed at all. He's still Japanese, and he still goes to England.
- Jossed. He retains his original Japenese name.
- Since the game is primarily taking place in England, the bit about him being the main judge seems jossed, however his ancestor could easily be the judge of the warm up case against Payne's ancestor.
- Related, there will be at the very least one reference to Harry Houdini, or at least an Expy of Houdini, who was indeed alive and performing during the game's timeline.
- Jossed, though Holmed is unable to help you in the fifth case due to being shot in the chest (non-fatally)
- Supposing Ryuunosuke is anything like Phoenix and that Edgeworth's ancestor is anything like him, anyway.
- Lending credence to this theory, the new prosecutor Barok van Zieks is British, and Edgeworth has a British accent.
- Afraid not. This sort of makes sense since we are talking about a considerably older age, although it would have been a nice flavor all the same (someone with a similar design to High Inquisitor Darklaw, although that would probably be riffing too much off of PLvAA).
- Confirmed!
- Jossed. Somehow, the Fey clan wasn't shown or mentioned during the Meiji period.
- Extremely unlikely. The game takes place in the Meiji era of Japan. Having no ancestor aside from Ryuunosuke would be wasted potential. I'm not saying every character in the game should be an ancestor, but at least a few of them.
- What does it being the Meiji era have to do with anything? And how would it be "wasted potential"? Just because someone's an ancestor of a character doesn't automatically make them interesting. I can maybe see a few witnesses being the ancestors of other witnesses (like trouble magnets Lotta Hart and Larry Butz and having their penchant for getting in trouble being In the Blood), but not the judge, prosecution, or the detective. THAT is too much of a coincidence for me to accept, especially if it's more than one of them. The only thing I could accept as totally reasonable is the first prosecutor being Payne's ancestor because it feels like the Payne brothers come from a long line of prosecutors (though I do wonder what pun on the surname they'll do this time if that's true. Cry in pain? Flinch in pain? Shriek in pain? *gasp* I hope his name is Shuriken Payne. Squeak in pain? Sob in pain? Die in pain?). It's too much to accept that all or most of the main characters are ancestors of the current cast, especially Edgeworth, because it would be cliché.
- Again, I didn't say that all of the main characters need to be ancestors of the current cast, I'm just saying we need more than just Ryuunosuke. In my opinion, having a game set far back into the past of a series which doesn't reveal any of the origins of the current cast (How the Fey clan came to be, for example) or at least show what their ancestors looked like would be a shame. I agree that it would be a bit cliché to see too many ancestor characters, but we need to see at least a few of them.
- I always thought the Kurain Technique and thus, the Fey Clan, went back even further than just the Meiji period. Like it went back hundreds of years to the early 1800's or so. There were implied to be different channelling techniques still in use, maybe we'll see more of those if we see nothing of the Feys.
- What does it being the Meiji era have to do with anything? And how would it be "wasted potential"? Just because someone's an ancestor of a character doesn't automatically make them interesting. I can maybe see a few witnesses being the ancestors of other witnesses (like trouble magnets Lotta Hart and Larry Butz and having their penchant for getting in trouble being In the Blood), but not the judge, prosecution, or the detective. THAT is too much of a coincidence for me to accept, especially if it's more than one of them. The only thing I could accept as totally reasonable is the first prosecutor being Payne's ancestor because it feels like the Payne brothers come from a long line of prosecutors (though I do wonder what pun on the surname they'll do this time if that's true. Cry in pain? Flinch in pain? Shriek in pain? *gasp* I hope his name is Shuriken Payne. Squeak in pain? Sob in pain? Die in pain?). It's too much to accept that all or most of the main characters are ancestors of the current cast, especially Edgeworth, because it would be cliché.
- Jossed, of course, since the Foregone Conclusion of Payne turning up came true, but otherwise looking good for the most part, since the game takes place primarily in England.
- I would almost suggest they'd even be a couple and avert the Will They or Won't They? other assistants tend to have, but that would be seen as killing too many wonderful ships by our lovely Teasing Creator.
- He looks similar to both of them.
- His name Ryuunosuke has parts from both names - "Ryuichi" and "Housuke"
- This also means Trucy actually is related to her adoptive Papa, just not in quite the same sense they think of each other.
- She will be either Susato Mikotoba who will change her name and surname for some reasons.
- Either she will be witness or suspect in one or more cases
- Either she will be just mentioned
- Blunt Force Trauma (In every single game if you include falling off something; non-fatal in T&T)
- Impalement (in every game except Apollo Justice)
- Shooting (Also featured in every game, again non-fatal in T&T and in DD, and considering what's going on in-universe, likely)
- Poisoning
- Asphyxiation
- Drowning
- Being crushed by a giant statue (is this technically BFT?)
- Partially confirmed. The death order is as follows: Case 1 has poisoning, Case 2 has blunt force trauma, Case 3 has stabbing (and later burning to death), Case 4 is not a murder case, but still features stabbing, and finally Case 5 has shooting
- Turnabout Samurai: Death by impalement. Was a unique death until Case 1-5 came about. However, it's the only case in any of the games that the killer can plea justified self defence (though she'd go to jail for tampering with the crime scene), and the only case in the game where the murderer is female. Also the only Case 3 where the killer is a woman. Only murder that was more accident than intent. Introduced Oldbag, Powers, and Nichols, whom appeared in later games. Involved blackmail.
- Turnabout Big Top: Only case in the game with blunt-force trauma as the cause of death. Only case with a sympathetic murderer in the entire series, and the only case with crippled murderer. Only case in the series, too, where the victim was meant to be someone else. Introduced Regina Berry, who showed up in Investigations 2. Only Case 3 that doesn't feature blackmail. Ironically, the only premeditated murder.
- Recipe for Turnabout: Only case with poison as the cause of death in the game (not counting Fawles' suicide). Only Case 3 where you defend a character from a past game (and by virtue, involved a character from a previous game). Introduced Viola Cadaverini, who appears in Investigations. Involved blackmail. Borderline premeditated murder due to having the poison on hand, but did not go to the restaurant with the intent to kill.
- Turnabout Serenade: One of three Case 3s where the death isn't unique in-game (both the vics in Case 2 and Case 3 were shot), but has the dubious honour of being the only known victim to have not died within moments of being attacked. Also possibly the only victim to have not died within minutes of being injured. Only case in the series where the killer is a detective. Did not involve a character from a previous case who wasn't part of the game's legal party, but introduced Lamiroir who appears in the next case. Blackmail again.
- The Kidnapped Turnabout: The second Case 3 without a unique death for the game (Cases 1, 3, 4, and 5 involving shooting) and also involved bleeding out (though the vic here didn't live long after being shot). Introduced a new character who returns for other games, Kay Faraday. Once more, blackmail was a thing in this case.
- The Inherited Turnabout: Another blunt-force trauma death, and again, unique to this case in its game. Only case where the killer actually cannot be charged with the murder any longer, and the only Case 3 to heavily feature a past case. Introduced no one new who shows up later. Also, blackmail (from von Karma to the defendant)
- Turnabout Academy: The least unique of the other Case 3s. The last Case 3 lacking a unique way of dying (impalement being used for the deaths in Cases 2, 3, 4, and 5). Did not involve a character from a previous case who wasn't part of the game's legal party (counting Klavier as he's part of the aforementioned legal party, just in Game 4). Blackmail was discussed and implied that the killer was involved in it.
- The Golden Court: Yes, even the third trial in Layton vs Wright follows this trend to a degree. This is the third trial in the game (following The English Turnabout and The Fire Witch), thus the third case. Obviously being turned to gold is a unique way to die in the Ace Attorney entire series ( subverted in that the Professor didn't actually die but it still counts because it's the only poisoning case in the game and the only one where someone actually died). There are also two vics in this case (which is surprisingly NOT unique in this game; the second case also had two vics, though again, subverted since Layton obviously didn't turn into a pretty lawn ornament, but Belduke kicked the bucket. Neither murder in this case was pre-meditated. And guess what? It also had blackmail though it was subverted in the end like most things.
- Huge spoilers. You have been warned: Confirmed in some aspects and zig-zagged in others. The cause of death for the victim is stabbing, a very common one. However, it is the first case in the series where you actually get an acquittal for the guilty party (who you defend), and in which said defendant is killed shortly afterwards. Additionally, there's quite a bit of blackmailing going around. The murder was probably also not premeditated, though I don't remember it being ever clarified.
- "STOP RIGHT THERE!": Used in the same connotation of "OBJECTION!", much like Agent Lang's "NOT SO FAST!", this one could be used by the prosecution or even the detective in charge as a means of objecting to Ryuunosuke.
- "JUST A MOMENT!": Probably delivered in the same calm, level, perfectly normal speaking voice as Professor Layton's Big Word Shouts in the crossover game, possibly by Susato. Again, a stand in for the most iconic of the Big Word Shouts.
- "ELEMENTARY!". Used by Sherlock Holmes when answering a question. Example:Ryuunosuke: "HOLD IT! If the victim was attacked from behind then how did the knife end up in his chest?"Holmes: "ELEMENTARY! The killer must have knocked the victim out cold before killing him. Naturally once the victim was unconscious the killer could the stab him anywhere they pleased."
- There's "YES SIR!" (or "HAI!!") in the second trailer. With this, shall we consider this confirmed?
- Indeed it is! "HAI!" serves as the "OBJECTION!" of most of the first case. Localized as "YES!".
- Case 1-5 and Case 1-4: Case 1-5 could be compared to 1-4 and 1-2. I'm going to compare it to case 1-4, just so I can say that the killer was a dirty blackmailer in a high political position and within the legal system who was revered and well-respected within his offices who was behind another case that is integral to the current one. Both cases heavily involved a past cases (DL-6 and SL-9) where the defendant's life was utterly destroyed thanks to false charges. That past case heavily scarred a young witness who was eventually led to believe they had murdered someone they cared for. Both current cases involved staged crime scenes (as did the SL-9). The opposites in these cases lay in that SL-9 featured a false conviction due to false evidence, and the DL-6 had no conviction due to a lack of overall evidence. And now, the list of things that are subverted. First, the aforementioned killers. Gant killed out of a desire to see a killer brought to justice and then again to silence a detective so the case would die. On the other hand, von Karma killed out of selfish revenge, and only orchestrated the second murder to bring the case back before it was too late to finish his revenge. Gant actually earned his respect and reverence by being a pretty swell guy who was good at his job, where Von Karma earned it through fear. Gant cared about justice; von Karma cared about his perfect record. With the scarred children, Miles was a young child where Ema was a teenager; Miles also later became the defendant and Ema did not (though she came close).
- Case 2-4 and Case 1-3: Case 2-4 subverts almost everything about 1-3. From the Samurai star being the defendant (with one being innocent and one guilty, to the fact that the victim was the arch-nemesis of the defendant (or in Powers' case, the defendant's TV character), to a woman in management seeking revenge for the death of a loved one, to the blackmail (and the aforementioned woman's relation to said blackmail), to even the cases of impalement in both cases. The entire cast in 2-4 subverts what they were in 1-3. Powers was a genuinely nice guy with a Face of a Thug, where Engarde was a truly evil Bishounen. Vasquez and Andrews have very deep parallels to each other: both are women who act very cold and are in places of management, both lost loved ones thanks to the actions of the victim, both mutilated the victim's corpse to implicate someone else for the crime, and both were involved in blackmail in some way. However, Vasquez accidentally committed murder (and then tried to cover it up) where Andrews didn't murder anyone (but tried to Frame The Guilty Party), and Vasquez was actively using the blackmail; Andrews wanted to destroy it. Hammer and Corrida have more in common than they don't (both being jerkasses who were deeply involved in blackmail and responsible for the deaths of someone else). Oh, and both had Oldbag and Will Powers in them.
- Case 3-1 and 1-1: Both directly involved Phoenix on a personal level, both cases had Mia on the defence bench in some way, both cases involved an utterly smitten man unable to accept what kind of person his girlfriend really was, and both defendants were complete idiots. The way case 3-1 subverts 1-1 the best is that the girlfriend was the killer, not the victim. Also that Larry never grew out of being an idiot, where Phoenix has.
- Case 3-5 and 1-4: 1-4 sees itself paralleled a lot. At least once more, when the game is also working with this case. Both cases, the killer was the prosecutor for the trial (or at least, had something to do with the murder; von Karma was responsible directly for the murder of Gregory Edgeworth and orchestrated the murder of Robert Hammond, where Godot was directly responsible for the death of Misty Fey). All the murders in those cases were for revenge (von Karma for the black mark on his record, Yogi for ruining his life, and Godot for everything that happened to him and Mia thanks to Dahlia). Both cases, the defendant was accused of murdering their only parent at the time (Edgeworth charged with patricide and Maya, matricide). Both cases involved staging a murder for a witness (though Iris probably didn't intend for Bikini to see her desecrating the corpse where Yogi definitely intended for Lotta to see him "be shot" by Edgeworth). Both cases drove the defendants to want to quit their jobs (Edgeworth left the prosecutor's office, Maya initially rejected being the Master but doesn't have the luxury of abdicating). Both 1-4 and 3-5 had ties to past cases (1-4 to the DL-6 and 3-5 to Case 3-4 and Diego Armando's poisoning shortly after).
- Case 5-2 and 3-2: This one is my favourite because I'm pretty sure it was totally unintentional. The two cases are virtually identical. Let's start with the villains (not murderers for these two, villains). Atmey and L'Belle. First off, they're the Joker and the Penguin with their personalities switched. Atmey looks like the Penguin, acts a bit like the Joker, and vise-versa for L'Belle. Their leitmotifs are rather similar, both stole the masked alter ego identities of the defendant (Atmey to make an alibi and L'Belle to frame the defendant), both knocked out the defendant in order TO frame him (Atmey with... an undisclosed blunt object implied to be the Shichishito, and L'Belle with drugs), both have verbal tics that get everyone else doing it that I don't need to explain, both get a noticeably large amount of interior snark from the attorney in charge, both are full of themselves (one in his appearance, one in his skills), both have ties to larceny (though L'Belle failed), both where blackmailers, and both are notable for a laugh (Atmey being Laughing Mad and L'Belle for his Annoying Laugh)... And that's just the bad guy! Onto the defendant! Actually a pretty nice dude who does what he does for a loved one, has a secret masked identity (which the killer "borrows"), both are knocked out cold by the killer, both are blackmail victims and both try to insist they're guilty of a crime, though Tenma claims he's a killer to ensure Jinxie isn't put in his place as the defendant and Ron claims he's a thief so he's NOT accused of being a murderer. Both of the cases had larceny at the heart of them, both involved a thief what left calling cards (though Ron sent them ahead and Filch's granddad did not).
- It can also be said that both criminals had a connection to the secret identity. However, Atmey was the man behind Mask*De Masque (he created thieving and escape plans for Ron, controlled the payments for stolen artifacts, and then took on the identity himself), while L'Belle's actions regarding the merger was the factor that led Tenma to take on a secret identity to fight against them.
- Case 5-5 and Cases 1-4 and 3-5: I'll try to keep this one short. Interestingly, all three of these cases had the finger being pointed at the prosecution for the murder (von Karma, Godot, and Blackquill; Edgeworth I suppose counts as well though he didn't prosecute Case 1-4). All three cases, the defendant was charged with murdering a parent (with 1-4 being the odd man out, as it was a patricide charge to a man in his 20's, where the other two were teenage girls charged with matricide). All three cases dealt with past cases as motive for murder (the DL-6 for the death of Hammond, Cases 3-4, 3-1, and 1-2 for the death of Dahlia-channelled-by-Misty, and the IS-7 for poor Clay).
- Case 1: Almost always murder in the second degree. Exceptions are Case 3-1, Case 4-1, and I2-1.
- Case 2: Almost always murder in the first degree. The lone exception is Case 4-2.
- Case 3: Almost always murder in the second degree. The only exception is Case 1-3, which was justified self defence.
- Case 4: Always murder in the first degree. Every single one.
- Case 5: A mixed bag, actually. There have been five, two in the second degree, and three in the first.
- Jossed...but there are, in fact, two first-degree murders, Case 1 and Case 3. Cases 2 and 5 are murders in the second degree, and Case 4 is, surprisingly enough, reckless infliction of grievous bodily harm (the victim was still alive, albeit comatose).
- One, the English games are already set in dates after the Japanese ones, with the first game taking place in 2017 where the Japanese game takes place in the present day. The Meiji era ends a few years before WWI started, so the dates would remain relatively proportional to one another.
- Actually, the original versions also took place in a near future setting.
- Two, the English games, at least, all take place in California already. I believe the Japanese versions are the only games to keep the games in Japan and not California, but I could be wrong.
- Three, putting it during WWI would allow them to keep the game in California AND explain Ryuunosuke's militaryesque college uniform to people who don't know a lick of Japanese or Japanese culture, which is most people.
- Four, it would mean the names could be localised and the puns could be kept.
- Five, remember that English isn't the only language these are translated into, so odds are, even if the names aren't translated in English, they could be in French, Dutch, Spanish, German, or Italian so seriously get over your butthurt that the names could be translated, mein gott.
- Jossed. It sounds like it takes place around about the turn of the 20th century.
- Based on the TGS extended trailer, a Jury is indeed present in the game. Time will tell whether or not this leads to a new game mechanic, however.
- This is probably historically accurate, since Meiji-era Japanese courts were modelled after European court systems. A proper trial-by-jury wouldn't be adopted until the 1920's where it was abandoned for the "Ace Attorney" system of only having a judge after WWII.
- Confirmed.
- John Watson is indeed the first case's victim so at least half of this is true. Guess it remains to be seen what his relationship was to Iris, though.
- Confirmed in case 5. John Watson in indeed Iris' father.
- ...Only to be Jossed in the second game, as it turns out John Watson is not Iris' real father.
- Ghost Trick has been officially stated to be taking place in the same universe as Ace Attorney, but thus far we have no idea when it takes place: Before the games, between them or even a few generations later. It would be nice if this game found a way to show, or at least elaborate, on where Ghost Trick stands with regards to the overall Ace Attorney universe.
- Not confirmed as such, but there is a reference to Tesmic in TGAA2.
- Jossed, he's Iris' father. Except he's not even that...
- Going with the guesses about who is whose ancestor, Irene is the ancestor of Iris and Dahlia and has a personality which is more Tsundere than Yandere. Her sympathetic plight will be played against her descendant's tendencies to be a Hate Sink.
- Jossed and jossed... perhaps. We still don't know who organized the selling of secrets
- Jossed. Though he does get shot, he survives.
- Jossed. Not once is Herlock accused of any of the crimes committed.
- I mean... Right for the Wrong Reasons here. Iris is exactly the person she thinks she is, as she has been with Sholmes since infancy, but she is NOT the daughter of the man she thought she was. She is, in fact, of noble blood, her father is a serial killer and not Sholmes's assistant, and she's the niece of the game's main prosecutor.
- It's actually an arm guard◊.
- While I agree the possibility is good, there is a contradiction in this argument. Kay Faraday, Miles Edgeworth's assistant, does not come from a Big, Screwed-Up Family; her home life before her father's murder was quite normal and happy. Athena Cykes is of a similar case; her family was more dysfunctional due to Metis being introverted, rather than screwed up like the Feys and Gramaryes are. That aside, perhaps there will be a subversion, and it will be Iris who comes from a Big, Screwed-Up Family, not Susato (whose family we won't be seeing much of, due to being in England the majority of the game).
- The "Joint Reasoning" gameplay mechanic (where Ryuunouske is tasked with pointing out that Holmes is going off-base with his deductions) seems to lean towards this. Holmes is too aggressive and too surface-level to see things as they ought to, leaping to conclusions without a full picture. So having Iris be the one who figures things out correctly may make sense (with Ryuunosuke breaking apart the argument and progressively deducing the solution while sorting out Holmes's faulty reasoning).
- This has been a common theory among the speculators since he was revealed. Personally I think his death will factor into Ryuunosuke's motivation to travel to Europe (maybe not directly but will play some major role in it) since Kazuma wanted to travel to Europe on his own. Maybe the second case takes place five or so months later and Kazuma sends a letter back to Japan telling of all the fantastic opportunities in England. Ryuunosuke likes it and brings along Susato but when they arrive they find out that Kazuma was murdered (this might actually be the third case or later because, as I recall, the second case actually happens en route to England). His death might even become the game's overarching arc.
- Alternatively, rather than being either a murderer or a victim he will be both. He will fake his death sometime after the first case and maybe even disguise himself as another character until the end of the game.
- Inversely, maybe he really does die, but it's later set up to make it look like he faked his death and is truly the Big Bad, and the person who is pretending to be him is, in fact, another character we already know (and could be related to the False Holmes idea below; Holmes has always been a Master of Disguise, after all), and is impersonating Kazuma to get to Ryuunosuke and make him think that he falsely accused someone of murdering his mentor/friend.
- While not debunking the possibility Kazuma dies, the fabric on Ryuunosuke's sword may not be a Tragic Keepsake as-is but simply a gift Kazuma gave to Ryuunosuke before leaving on his study abroad. Ryuunosuke ties it to his sword so he'll have it nearby but doesn't regard it as a memento of a lost friend until the events of the game play out, at which point he comes to think of it as such. The fact Ryuunosuke has the cord wrapped around his sheath even in these preliminary artworks (before the story of the game is fully revelaed) leans towards a more mundane meaning that could gradually become deeper.
- Confirmed. Asougi is the victim of Case 2: The Adventure of the Unbreakable Speckled Band.
- But then Zig-Zagged as of the reveal during Case 3 of the second game.
- Maybe, for the first time, there is no set prosecutor? It's also possible that the reason they're not shown as part of the lead four is because there's actually four protagonists this time. Or because we've only seen six characters (the lead four, Meiji-Era Payne, and Kazuma), it just so far appears that the prosecutor's not as major because they haven't been shown yet.
- Jossed. Baron Van Zieks plays a very important role in both games.
- Jossed. He is the real deal, though slightly less competent.
- Aaron Payne (are in pain)
- Antoine Payne (and in pain)
- Constantine Payne (constant in pain; there's already a character by this name in the franchise but there's also a Manfred and a Manny)
- Dylan Payne (still in pain)
- Gibson Payne (give some pain)
- Holden Payne (hold in pain, as in hold the injured spot)
- Newton Payne (new to pain)
- Oliver Payne (all of your pain)
- Quinton Payne (quit in pain)
- Robin Payne (rub in pain; unlikely as, again, there's already a character by this name)
- Xavier Payne (save your pain)
- Since Ryuunosuke's and Susato's names are both kept the same, this will likely be jossed in favor of his original name: Taketsuchi Auchi.
- Indeed, it was indeed kept the same in the localization.
- Well, if the demo is to be trusted, Roylott being related to Tuggit is probably Jossed (as far as we know); Roylott is a disguise donned by the missing Russian ballet dancer Nikomina Bolshevich. Though considering the case takes place on a boat to London, the possibilty is still there.
- Pretty unlikely. "Ripper" is a generic term, it has no link to Jack the Ripper specifically. Besides, it could be interpreted as "reaper" too. It seems unlikely we'll get an actual major character based on Jack the Ripper, considering: 1) the brutal nature of Jack the Ripeper's killings as well as who his victims were (aka, prostitutes), 2) The fact the Jack the Ripper killings were real. I doubt Ace Attorney would base it's cases on anything from real life. It's not that kind of series. Basically, if we are gonna get an "expy of Jack the Ripper", they'd have to change the damn character so much that it wouldn't even resemble Jack the Ripper in the slightest, apart from sharing the title "The Ripper" maybe. They might make reference to it in some way, but I doubt we'll get an actual serious case, or even character, based around him.
- It's "Reaper" now I think about it (I being the one who posted the initial theory). I know it can be Reaper or Ripper. I did translate that myself and say as much that it could be Reaper. It's most likely "Reaper", though because the ri gets dragged out and "Rip" has a shorter sound than "Reap". Though I have to say, "the ripper" usually would instantly bring to mind Jack the Ripper. It's not really a generic term, especially in a game series focused on solving murders. I think this Reaper character is supposed to bring to mind the Ripper because he seems to use scissors which sounds like a far more gruesome way to go than being stabbed with a knife, even if the scissors were used as a makeshift knife. Not be him, not really reference him, but bring him to mind for older players familiar with him. Reaper does this to players who don't know. I can't see why they would refer to a character as the Reaper or the Ripper unless meaning to bring to mind one of history's most well-known serial killers.
- If it's supposed to be "The Ripper" then yes, most likely it is a nod to Jack the Ripper. But you'd have to stretch a LOT to say that a character called "The Reaper" is supposed to be an expy of Jack the Ripper. For one thing, Jack the Ripper never used scissors. His trademark weapon is almost always portrayed as a dagger, and while it's probable he may have used scissors when mutilating his victims, it's hardly something he was known for using. If this "Reaper" that uses scissors IS supposed to be an expy of Jack the Ripper, it'd need to be a proper one that goes more in depth then just saying he's called The Reaper and that he used scissors. Because that's so far flung from what most people would know Jack the Ripper for, that it wouldn't be worth even trying to make it a reference to him. And while I agree that most people would think of Jack when they hear "The Ripper", "Ripper" IS still kinda a generic term. Not sure exactly how it is for people in other countries, but Jack isn't the only serial killer who got named "The Ripper", that struck England. So here in the UK when someone says "The Ripper" it doesn't instantly just bring to mind Jack. There's also The Yorkshire Ripper and The Suffolk Ripper, among others. So even if it is Ripper, it might not even be referring to Jack the Ripper.
- It's "Reaper" now I think about it (I being the one who posted the initial theory). I know it can be Reaper or Ripper. I did translate that myself and say as much that it could be Reaper. It's most likely "Reaper", though because the ri gets dragged out and "Rip" has a shorter sound than "Reap". Though I have to say, "the ripper" usually would instantly bring to mind Jack the Ripper. It's not really a generic term, especially in a game series focused on solving murders. I think this Reaper character is supposed to bring to mind the Ripper because he seems to use scissors which sounds like a far more gruesome way to go than being stabbed with a knife, even if the scissors were used as a makeshift knife. Not be him, not really reference him, but bring him to mind for older players familiar with him. Reaper does this to players who don't know. I can't see why they would refer to a character as the Reaper or the Ripper unless meaning to bring to mind one of history's most well-known serial killers.
- Confirmed, actually, although the Jack the Ripper Expy actually isn't the "Reaper" (a connected but completely different character). Instead, it's the serial killer known as the Professor, active from 1888-1889 before the main events of the game, who had five victims in total, matching up perfectly with the generally accepted Jack the Ripper details. Although, the murders are also a nod to The Hound of the Baskervilles, given that the victims were killed by having their throat ripped out by a giant dog.
- Ryuuichi Naruhodou
- Chiron Wright. Chiron, so named for the Centaur of Greek mythos, and the archer of Sagittarius. A Greek figure with ties to both phoenixes the creature and Phoenix the God, Chiron was an adopted son of Apollo and a symbol of bridging the gaps between two feuding groups. He was a teacher and a tutor, and believed in fair judgement: "Decide no suit, until you have heard both sides speak". Seems perfect for an ancestor of Phoenix Wright (or for anyone seeking fairness in a trial).
- Phoebus Wright. Phoebus is one of the epithets of Apollo (the god, not the lawyer), meaning 'bright'; oh, and the name also starts with 'Phoe'.
- Chiron Wright. Chiron, so named for the Centaur of Greek mythos, and the archer of Sagittarius. A Greek figure with ties to both phoenixes the creature and Phoenix the God, Chiron was an adopted son of Apollo and a symbol of bridging the gaps between two feuding groups. He was a teacher and a tutor, and believed in fair judgement: "Decide no suit, until you have heard both sides speak". Seems perfect for an ancestor of Phoenix Wright (or for anyone seeking fairness in a trial).
- Susato Mikotoba
- Mary Kingsleigh. Most of the assistants, excepting Ema, all have a Y in their name, and I wanted to pick a traditional name to go with Susato being a "traditional" woman, and a name that fit the time period. Mary was also the most popular girl's name in the time period the game is set. Mikotoba refers to the words of a higher entity, like an emperor or a god, so I suggested her a last name that somewhat reflects that, as it sounds like "Kingly".
- Iris Watson (who probably will get a different given name, due to there already being an Iris)
- Alice Watson, the Alice obviously referencing Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. This will only be her name if it's intended to be somewhat of a spoiler as to her character, unless it's referring to the fact that she's a child.
- Both of these are jossed. Ryuunosuke and Susato keep their original names, while Iris only has her surnamed adjusted.
- "Sherlock" is actually the illustrator for the book series' (hence the colorful vials of what look like paint or ink at his hip) and was taken along with Iris one day at a book signing or meeting with a publisher. The two were mistaken for Iris' characters, under the assumption that the stories were true and the author was really Watson (as well as "Sherlock" being enough of a peculiar, extravagant enough person on his own that he was mistaken for the just-as-eccentric great detective)
- The concept of Holmes and Watson being real, live people who solve real, live mysteries quickly snowballed, and the two were soon up to their ears in fame. The abundance of this kind of publicity began to rake in the money fast (and much more than the truth would ever produce) and this troper believes the root of this charade was almost entirely motivated by money.
- Both "Sherlock" and Iris have their separate personal reasons for needing very large sums of money very urgently. "Sherlock"'s motivation was serious, but not quite as critical as Iris'; hers might have something to do with a very sick family member (her father? Dr. Watson?) or something just generally emotionally urgent, time-sensitive, and painfully expensive.
- "Sherlock" actually took care of his reason some time ago and could have ditched their deal altogether if he really wanted to, but he and Iris formed something of a familial bond along the way and it would be nearly impossible to abandon that (not to mention rather cruel to just leave an eight-year-old girl with a looming emergency to her own devices in London)
- Additionally, "Sherlock" isn't from London. He's not even from the United Kingdom; he's American, and has had to fake an English accent the entire time for his 'role'. The same might be possible for Iris as well. (One way or the other, eventually it'll make for a fantastic twist of one of these)
- Overall, even in the Ace Attorney universe, Holmes and Watson are nothing more than fictional characters, albeit created by someone else in-universe. The Holmes and Watson we've seen are false identities, and a good portion of the plot will revolve around their slowly-crumbling charade as well as the financially and emotionally demanding reasons they have for trying to keep the whole thing up (with a dash of The Dark Side Of The Law, but that's a different entry for a different day)
Complicated, but it's not like this series is completely unfamiliar with elaborate, tangential, yet mostly realistic explanations to important plot points...
- As the OP of both the above "not who they say they are' theories, I like this idea, too. However, while the only reason that bird of explanation flew was because it was a Layton explanation (note how perplexed Phoenix is at how outrageous it is), the theory above has been shown off in the Ace Attorney series proper with Godot, Mimi Miney, Dahlia Hawthorne, Calisto Yew/Shih-Na, the phantom, Shelly de Killer, Matt Engarde... *Beat*' Well, it's about time they subvert the fact that whenever someone is pretending to be someone or something else, it's the bad guy.
- You certainly have a point there! And definitely, it'd be nice to see another plot point character hiding their identity for a decent, non-malicious reason. With a well-loved duo like Holmes and Watson (whom fans of the books and other media in the franchise might respond... unfavorably to any sort of villainous role they may play) I think this would be the game to do it.
C'mon, we're all thinking it.
- I think so too, probably Dracula, as according to the book he's in London, he has become a Public Domain Character like Holmes, and missing for a while? He was probably in slumber like vampires usually do.
- Jossed. As far as the game goes, it's mostly related to case 3. Now for the sequel...
- And then Confirmed - the death turns out to be part of an assassin exchange program which gets fully exposed in the final case of the second game.
...rather,they will be changed to Japanese-sounding names with English puns.Because,let's admit it,localising the location for the first case seems more unlikely as more info about it is revealed ,like the Japanese restaurant setting.
- Ryounousuke's name will be changed to Hiroshi Raito, with him usually being reffered to as "Hiro".
- Jossed. He keeps his original name. But also confirmed at the same time - while the major Japanese characters kept their original names, the minor witnesses in the cases taking place in Japan had their names changed to puns that made more sense in English.
Just as how Iris is not actually the Watson, the Holmes we see is not actually the Great Detective himself. Rather, he is probably a stand in for Holmes, who is away somewhere. The real Holmes might be disguised as a different member of the cast, under an assumed name.
Going off the above on how the Holmes we've been shown is false and the real one could be disguised as a member of the cast (plausible, as one of Holmes' most notable skills was disguising himself to hide in plain sight) the Watson we've been shown is false as well, and the true one is most likely away for a yet-to-be-determined plot reason. As such, the John Watson we see as the victim in Case 1 is definitely not our doctor.
- These two◊ are the real Holmes and Watson. In spite of the small image quality, the man on the right appears to be blond and blue/green-eyed, making it easier for the Holmes we've been shown to masquerade as him given their slightly similar physical appearance. He also seems closer in age to 34 than this Holmes (whose age can be seen in his profile in the recently released Joint Reasoning eShop demo of the game)◊, who appears to be quite younger than he's stated to be. It's possible that he is younger and is only claiming to be 34 to lend credibility to his false Holmes identity.
- The real kicker here, however, is the appearance of the man on the left in the first photo - his bowler cap and moustache are reminiscent of classic portrayals of John Watson not only in canon, but in several different adaptations. He's also shown to be saluting; before his discharge due to injury and illness, Watson served in the British Army as an assistant surgeon.
If one were to surmise that this gentleman is the true Watson, then the next logical conclusion to draw would be that the man standing next to him is the true Sherlock Holmes.
- Jossed. Based on the recent Famitsu article, the man on the left is Inspector Tobias Gregson. The man on the right is a new character.
- According to Edgeworth, the name De Killer first showed up in the early 1900s, which is part of the Meiji era in which the game takes place.
- The fact that she's implied to maybe be a Karma Houdini means she could possibly appear in a sequel, where her true identity and reason for killing John Watson will be revealed.
- Jossed. Jezail Brett is in fact Ann Sasha.
- It would explain all the posing.
- Considering Natsume Soseki is an actual person I very much doubt it.
- It will probably come late in the series whole; before then, there will be hints given to the cast as to what his mission was, before being fully (or at least, more substantially than only by words) revealed in this manner. As a bonus, it will also more solidly reveal to us his work relationship with Susato, and show to the players how much she has grown since then. It's also likely that it will involve the other persons whose names were uncovered at the end of Case 5.
- This is why she is always covering her eyes, to prevent others from identifying that she is of Japanese descent. This explains her fluency in the language despite calling it primitive, making her a Boomerang Bigot.
- The four characters being Kazuma Asougi, Tobias Gregson, John Watson and an unknown figure known as Sasha. They probably witnessed something very, very dark about the British Empire and thus are considered major threats to somebody in the British government. This something is also most likely related to Asougi's supposed mission he spoke about and the London darkness Holmes mentioned at the end of Case 4.
- Half-confirmed. Gregson and Watson were assassination targets, however, Asougi and Sasha were intended to be the assassins.
- The real reason she keeps her face covered all the time could hint that she is an undercover spy from the British Empire and is trying to keep her identity hidden. Also, her reasons for killing Watson are still a complete mystery, and it's totally possible that she was after Asougi as well, being disguised as a British exchange student in Japan. It's likely that her character will be explored further in the sequel, which is confirmed to reveal most of the mysteries set up in the first game.
- Jezail Brett is confirmed to be the victim in the first case of DGS 2.
- Jezail Brett turns out to be Ann Sasha, a British assassin sent to kill Watson. Asougi wasn't a target though: he was supposed to be the second assassin.
- Pre-release information confirmed that DGS 2-2 takes place a day after DGS 1-4 and involves Ryunosuke and co visiting her in the hospital. It's implied we'll be finding out more about her this time, which begs the question: why would they develop her character like that when she doesn't seem relevant to the case's murder? Pre-release information also raises the question of why she happened to get caught up in DGS 1-4 in the first place, as she's been revealed to live far away from where it took place. This troper's guess is that Viridian killed the victim before DGS 1-4 took place, and happened to get accidentally stabbed while making her getaway. Not only would this give an interesting emotional conflict: the supposed innocent victim of a past case wasn't so innocent after all, but it could make for an interesting challenge to overcome, as Viridian has an accidental alibi in her coma.
- Somewhat confirmed. Petenshy, the victim, didn't ACTUALLY die, but she DID poison him. But it was for a sympathetic reason as well, as Petenshy killed her fiance.
Remember, we never actually saw him die or even enter the Omnibus, who's to say he didn't escape at the last second?
- Partially jossed. To avoid the copyrights, Sherlock Holmes has been renamed Herlock Sholmes, and John and Iris Watson have been renamed John and Iris Wilson.
- For another take on this theory, the game could be given a patch or an Updated Re-release to restore the intended character names once the last Sherlock Holmes copyrights expire.
- Factoring in the personality of his descendants who are clearly cut from the same cloth as Auchi, it seems likely that Auchi will leave Japan. Gaspen leaves LA/Japan himself to take up residence in Khura'in a century later, so it seems possible Auchi also does this. But unlike Gaspen, Auchi changes his name because he's desperate to avoid the curse/promise/threat made by Kazuma about the Auchi and Naruhodou clans. His choice to move and change his name comes purely from that line by Kazuma. Missing the point in that way does feel like a Payne/Auchi trait. He goes to LA because their legal system is somewhat corrupted as well and will stay such for quite some time. And he thinks he escaped the curse, naturally, until Ryunosuke's descendant comes along.
- Regarding Naruhodou, it honestly seemes possible that Ryunosuke will simply have a daughter who he raises to be bright, intelligent, forward-thinking, and gives her every advantage he can, including letting her study abroad, and this daughter marries into the Wright family. Ryunosuke doesn't have much of a reason to go to the US himself nor change his name, unlike Auchi.