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openDoes Flashback have to be listed on pages that also list Flashback B Plot?
For example, Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again. One solution could be potholing Flashback B-Plot in the description under Flashback like I did for Arrow here.
Edited by Troper48openExample folders Literature
How long does an example page need to be before we start adding alphabetized folders (one for all the A examples, for instance)? Affably Evil/Literature is getting a little hard to scroll through. (I'd ask on the discussion page there, but discussion pages never seem to get much traffic.)
open Confusion over TwoferTokenMinority
Was going over Twofer Token Minority and its examples and there's something that's confusing me.
In the trope's description, it considers being female a minority. I think I understand the reasoning to a degree. For example, if a main cast is primarily white men and a black woman then the black woman would be considered this trope due to being both the sole black person and sole female.
Where I'm confused however and I think there's some misuse is that the trope's being applied to characters in works wherein simply being a female wouldn't be considered a minority, especially a Token Minority, in the context of the work due to there being other females present in the main cast or so.
Some cases in the page to show what I mean:
- Under High School Musical in Films — Live-Action, Taylor is listed because she's black and female. Taylor however isn't the only girl in the main cast due to the presence of Gabriella and Sharpay. She is also not the only black person in the main cast due to her love interest, Chad.
- Under Star Wars in Films — Live-Action, Rose Tico is listed because she's an Asian woman. In the sequel trilogy however, there are lots of women in the cast with the likes of Rey, Leia, Phasma, and Holdo to name a few. Rose's sister is also listed for the same reason which would kinda invalidate both since it kinda goes against what the trope is about I think.
- Under Hazbin Hotel in Web Animation, Charlie is listed because she's female and bisexual. While she's the only bisexual in a Cast Full of Gay, there are however 5 relevant female characters in the pilot. Considering there are 10 relevant characters in the pilot, that's half the cast.
- Under Avatar: The Last Airbender in Western Animation, Toph is listed because she's female, small, blind and badass. Team Avatar, which Toph is a part of, however has 3 boys, 3 girls, and 2 male animals. Disregarding the nonhuman characters, half the human main cast is female.
Basically, it seems like if a character is of a certain minority and simply female then they're labeled as a Twofer Token Minority regardless whether or not the context of a work makes them being female a minority.
That seems kinda confusing. Twofer Token Minority is about representing two or more Token Minority groups at once. However, how can a character be a Twofer Token Minority if they're a minority/Token Minority in only one area in the context of a work.
My confusion I guess kinda would better be explained by another example in Films — Live-Action under But I'm a Cheerleader.
Mike from But I'm a Cheerleader is listed because he's the only black person in the film and gay. As the only black person in the film, he's thus a Token Minority in that area. However, the film has a Cast Full of Gay featuring both gay men and women, thus he's not a Token Minority in being gay. Therefore, technically shouldn't that make Mike not a Twofer Token Minority.
Yeah, I'm kinda really confused by all this and really think there maybe some misuse, probably more than just involving females and what examples I glanced over.
Edited by ElfkaiseropenStreetlights Victorious fanfiction
I was thinking about making a page for a Victorious fanfic I like. However I looked up and saw the fic did have a page at one time, before being cut. I am wondering why. The fic is Streetlights.
openChanging the location of Light Novel examples on a trope page
La La La Luzy moved the Durarara example in Energetic and Soft-Spoken Duo from the Literature to the Anime folder, and I don't know what to respond to this.
As many of you know, Light Novels are, strictly speaking, Literature for these purposes, but for historical reasons often clumped with Anime. This is due to the fact that before 2014-ish, most English speakers' knowledge of L Ns are from their animated adaptations.
So, my question is: should I move back the example?
openInterspecies Reviewers
I gotta ask why was Reality Ensues for Interspecies Reviewers cut?
openWhat namespace is this?
I’m trying to make a work page for this but I don’t know what namespace it’d be in.
openIndexing a new page Webcomic
I'm trying to index this page for the Coming the the Lavender webcomic. I just indexed it under "amazon chaser" but the page still says it's not indexed. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/ComingToTheLavender
openJosh1999
New troper Josh 1999 removed a mod note for the Funny/Animaniacs page and put in a image of questionable quality. I haven't gone through their entire history yet to see if anything else is wrong.
I'm bringing this up because I know that there was a troper about two months ago that was suspended (and ultimately bounced) for the same thing: Matuta 931 (as well as their sock, mati2019). Can a mod check to see if we have a possible ban evader?
EDIT: A lot of the pictures they're adding to pages are also of poor quality in terms of resolution, but that's secondary to the main point.
Edited by ArctimonopenEdit War on WrongGenreSavvy.Film
Troper marcoasalazarm added a The Frighteners entry to WrongGenreSavvy.Film which I hid with comment tags for being a Zero-Context Example. Like other Genre Savvy tropes, Wrong Genre Savvy requires the character's genre knowledge to be derived from familiarity with in-universe fiction, which the entry does not establish.
marcoasalazarm unhid the entry without alteration and an edit reason that does not address the missing context.
open Believing the impossible over the realistic
Is there a trope for when audience buys supernatural stuff in a story, but when something real but controversial such as, for example, an LGBT character appears, there are some select viewers who will claim this as "unrealistic", despite that they're, again, buying fantastical elements in the story? i.e. a blatant double standard in what viewers accept as believable.
Edited by Lancelot07openBehind-the-scenes drama
A lot of "behind the scenes minutia" was removed from Sequelitis - Films Live-Action¡. igordebraga said they had no relevance to a film's quality. I am not versed enough in site policy to judge, and I'm all for collaboration. But I'm not 100% sure that they know what they're doing. (They restored the Alex Cross entry which was removed on the grounds that it's a reboot and not a sequel.) What should I do?
Edited by burgerantsopenLinks to archived versions of TVT articles via Wayback Machine
Are these allowed? I've seen some links in WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings.TV Tropes that were recently removed.
openQuestionable entry on Non-Gameplay Elimination Live Action TV
I was browsing Non-Gameplay Elimination when I came upon this entry:
- On Ego Trip: The White Rapper, contestants would go through a number of challenges to prove themselves as the best rapper of the bunch, however, many challenges really had nothing to do with their skills as a rapper, but were physical challenges built around humiliating them. The most talented rapper of the first season, Dasit, quit the very first episode (announcing his quitting via rap, actually, and doing so very stylishly) because he knew he was too good for the show. Which is actually true.
Am I the only one who thinks this entry seems highly critical of the show and biased towards Dasit?
Also, I looked up the show on The Other Wiki out of curiosity. While their accuracy is usually called into question, it seems to contradict the above information. (That's the only reason I don't think Dasit wrote the entry himself.) Unfortunately, I haven't seen the show, so I can't judge one way or the other.
open Movie/TV Show Explaining Theory of Historical Procreation Film
This is a random one. I remember part of a film or TV show where the narrator was discussing how procreation works on the psychological level (I believe specifically speaking about humans). They talk about how when the environment/conditions are poor (i.e., war, death, famine), that the species is more likely to procreate more to bulk up the numbers to survive as a species. In times of peace, they feel less of a need to do so.
open Can’t remember the name of this cartoon show! Western Animation
Hello there. Now, I’m not entirely sure if this cartoon was a western cartoon. I’m trying to remember a show that I can sort of remember watching back when I was a kid with my cousin. My brain has turned to mush when it comes to remembering things like this so please be gentle with me lmao. Also, bear with me. From what my memory is telling me, it was a show that based a female character and two boys. I say female because I can’t for the life of me remember if she was a sister to the boys or their mother or a babysitter. All I can remember is the clothing she wore. She had a blonde ponytail and a green office attire outfit?? One of the boys was wearing a red t-shirt, blue jeans and had either black or dark drown hair and the youngest boy had a red shirt and he had blond hair. That’s all I have remembered about this show, hope someone can help me find this as it’s making me lose the will to live! Lmao. I did ask my cousin and like me, she honestly can’t remember it that well also.
openIn-universe YMMV
- Dork Age: Las Pegasus seemed to be going through this when the story began.
Rarity: Last fall, the Mayor of Las Pegasus decided to rebrand the city as a family vacation destination and make all the casino-hotels more "family friendly." He also had a variety of new resorts with theme-park style rides built, and voilà: every true gambler's worst nightmare!
I removed this as it's In-Universe (or is there some other trope for this?) and PM'd them about it, but they added it back. I'm not sure if they haven't read it yet or misinterpreted it.
Bringing here before we get an edit war. May I re-cut?
open Crazy Awesome cleanup
Crazy Awesome was renamed Success Through Insanity, but the Crazy Awesome subpages remain. Should they be redirected or cut (some have over 1000 inbounds)? Or are we saving them for potential examples to move to Success Through Insanity?
I'll go with redirect unless I hear anything.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
The character page for the Green Lantern Corps has become enormous in recent years. I think the Earth Lanterns have enough tropes to fit their own pages. What do you say?