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28th Jun, 2020 01:38:16 PM

I agree that none of those example count. The whole point of token is that they are the only one representing that demographic.

I'm not sure if the problems is bad enough to warrant a cleaning thread though, but I agree that there is a lot of misuse on that page now that I see it.

28th Jun, 2020 02:29:40 PM

There is this cleanup thread, which is the outcome of a stalled TRS attempt on Twofer Token Minority from two years ago. Perhaps it can be revived?

28th Jun, 2020 04:18:31 PM

Looking more carefully at the trope's description and such, I seem to have noticed something that's maybe what's been confusing me, at least partially I think.

Due to specifically using Token Minority groups in the description, it gives the impression that it means a character who's a Token Minority in two or more areas. This is what I think I've been interpreting the trope as to a degree.

Reading the description and etc. more carefully though, it seems that it's actually referring to a character who's a Token Minority because they're of two or more minorities. At least, that's what I think the supposed actual intention seems to be.

As a result of the page using Token Minority groups instead of just simply minority groups, I believe I interpreted the trope as the former rather than the latter.

Still think the examples are being misused though. In the context of the works, simply being female would not be considered at least a minority due to the high prominence of other females. Same goes for the But I'm a Cheerleader example as being gay would not be considered at least a minority in a Cast Full of Gay.

Not sure if what I'm interpreting things is correct however so I think I'm still confused.

Edited by Elfkaiser
28th Jun, 2020 06:21:28 PM

I made the TRS thread from two years ago, and did a wick check. What I found was that the vast majority of examples only say "[character] is X and Y" without providing any justification for calling them a "token".

28th Jun, 2020 11:25:22 PM

^ I'm sorry if this is too much to ask, but by any chance do you kept the results of that wick check? I think it might be worth it to try to revive that thread.

28th Jun, 2020 11:52:21 PM

Here. Wick check is in the second post. I'm glad someone else has noticed this problem, because the thread was killed by lack of interest last time.

Edited by TheMountainKing
29th Jun, 2020 12:52:39 AM

Looking at the comments of the Not Tropeworthy link and I think I understand more a bit of what's confusing me though I think I maybe still confused to a degree. Hard to explain.

AnotherDuck's comment I believe hits the nail of the problem. The trope description reads more for "twofer minority" when it's actually aiming for "twofer token minority". As a result, many list examples based on the former rather than the latter.

Believe this is tropeworthy though. It just needs some cleaning.

Some "[character] is X and Y" examples I think maybe are self-explanatory/easy enough to understand as is. Others however I guess I agree might need more context.

Looking at what my actual issue on this trope, simply being female really should be not considered a category unless it actually falls under The Smurfette Principle since it really is too broad as pointed by other comments.

Edited by Elfkaiser
29th Jun, 2020 01:04:15 AM

If the description is a problem, then we would need to open another thread I think.

Also, I want to point out that the Token Index describes the trope as: "A character is part of more than one minority group not represented by the other characters." (emphasis mine).

Edited by ElBuenCuate
29th Jun, 2020 01:48:28 AM

Seems like a question for the Trope Talk forum to me. Thread

Edited by SeptimusHeap
1st Jul, 2020 12:54:28 PM

Bumping since there is now the abovelinked Trope Talk thread.


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