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openQuestion regarding the actors in the WhatCouldHaveBeen entries
Hello again. I have some concerns about actors whose links are potholes to films, especially in the What Could Have Been pages of film franchises such as Star Wars as well as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I think they’re considered sinkholes, which are generally not allowed.
As such, should the links be removed, citing this discussion?
Edited by gjjonesopenWildflower (2017) Live Action TV
I need help putting examples on the Main page of Wildflower show because someone did not complete it. Also I would like to added Awesome and YMMV page. I also need help adding more characters on character page. I need some advance on how to make a good examples. Would you please help me? Also I needed Filipino tropers who knows the show.
Edited by Bubblepigopen Rules regarding fake links
What I'm referring to is the (ab)use of the [[url]] system (or an equivalent like Google's hyperlinks, or Steam's [url]HTML Tags[/url]) to make one link lead to another as a form of trolling. As an example, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/Rickroll appears to link to JustForFun.Rickroll, but instead leads to the video itself.note Even though it's quite obvious that a sane troper would use the WikiWords on their own, which renders as Rickroll. Not to mention that the "preview" in the lower-left invariably shows the real link regardless. A more extreme example is where you're at work, on your work computer, when a coworker sends you an email saying that they need help with a contract they've put on Google Docs. The link appears legit, but when you click on it, it instead leads to a XXX dark-web porn-site that usually sets off the trackers in the wi-fi. Worst case scenario, you get fired, while the trollish coworker gets away scot free.
What I want to know are the policies regarding stuff like this, just out of curiosity.
Edited by Gofastmikeresolved Characters/Fire Emblem Videogame
So... I just added Dragalia Lost to the Fire Emblem Characters page under crossover as FE characters were in the game as part an event. I even implemented notes for each element to indicate the characters. However, one of the notes had Marth in it just like the note for Super Smash Bros. Melee - 18 to 22, when the note next to Dragalia Lost Recruitable Adventurers Flame is clicked, the one by the smash opens up instead.
I don't know how to fix this.
openneed help with wicks
I've just made the following page moves:
- moved Literature.The Dark Tower to Literature.The Dark Tower 2004
- moved Franchise.The Dark Tower to Literature.The Dark Tower
- moved the Comic Book section on Franchise.The Dark Tower (now at Literature) to ComicBook.The Dark Tower
I need help with changing wicks. That is,
- changing Franchise/ wicks referring to the book series to Literature/
- changing Literature.The Dark Tower wicks referring to the 2004 novel instead of the series as a whole to The Dark Tower (2004)
- changing any wicks referring to the comic series from Franchise/ to ComicBook/
As of now, there are 152 wicks under Literature/, and 870 wicks under Franchise/
Edit: In order to avoid adding unnecessary work to the Literature pile, changing the Franchise wicks should wait until after the Literature wicks are completely dealt with. (Literature wicks done)
openAn odd notice atop a character page
On Characters.Freedom City Play By Post is a bold notice:
openEscape The Night Cleanup Web Original
I need talk about Aqua Eclipse's examples. Some of her examples are pretty bad especially Former Owners file on the character page where she made an excuse of why she put an f-bombs on the Hate Sink example. Also there's is some spelling error that she didn't fixed for the example: She misspelled Disproportionate Retribution as Distribution Retribution and also make up as nake up. I did try to message her twice but she didn't respond. Would you please fix the examples that she made?
openSlight edit war or something over at Hazbin Hotel
Bringing this up also here since I was advised to from the Is this an example thread.
Context:
Tropers/Napoleon_Blownapart apparently wants to add a certain trivia about Jeffrey Dahmer to Hazbin Hotel. That Jeffrey apparently was repentant for his crimes and technically shouldn't be in Hell in this setting or something along those lines.
Originally it was just a random note they included to a Historical Domain Character entry they added. As such it was removed by another troper.
Napoleon_Blownapart later readded the trivia back in another form under as Historical Villain Upgrade.
- Historical Villain Upgrade: Played with. A little-known fact about the real Jeffery is that he actually always despised himself for having the monstrous urges he did, and made every attempt to save his soul after he went to prison. Even if Hell worked such that he wound up there anyway, starting up a cannibal cooking show is one of the last things he'd do, and would be one of the first in line for services like what Charlie is offering.
After some time, another troper Tropers/three_of_Six removed it with the reason "The man was a child abuser and a liar. Nothing in that entry is even close to being true."
Napoleon_Blownapart readded it back citing a passage from Jeffery's Wikipedia page as a reason.
three_of_Six removed it again saying "Very much YMMV. He might have claimed to want redemption but his actions did not reflect that." and citing another passage from Jeffery's Wikipedia page.
Napoleon_Blownapart as a result has decided to add the entry over at the YMMV page of the show instead.
Sidenote:
Jeffrey Dahmer doesn't actually appear in-person in the show. His likeness only appears on a background poster and he's mainly used as a brief Black Comedy Cannibalism joke.
Question:
What should the proper course of action be? I'm tempted to remove the entry yet again on the basis that it's not a YMMV trope. However, I don't want to continue further this slight edit war or something.
Edited by ElfkaiseropenShould Catharsis Factor be restricted to just Video Games? Videogame
I noticed there were non-video game examples in Catharsis Factor, Despite the decription saying it's about the things you do, not the things you see that are stress relieving. Most of the non-video game examples fall into Take That, Scrappy! or gushing about a Hate Sink or Asshole Victim being punished. Like this:
- Starlight Glimmer bluntly telling Pinkie Pie she was solely at fault for her sister Maud leaving Ponyville for Ghastly Gorge. What would otherwise be Innocently Insensitive is extremely satisfying to see considering how many times Pinkie had acted insufferably to others at times, especially to Cranky Doodle, Fluttershy, and Princess Luna in their respective episodes without actual consequence.
openBetter Call Saul Live Action TV
In Better Call Saul, under Reality Ensues. I have a problem with the reference to "base Captain." The base commander is a full Colonel. Captain is not nearly as high a rank in the Air Force as in the Navy. It seems more likely that an Air Force Captain would get jammed up with the Colonel for going off base and threatening a civilian.
openEdit War on DSOD page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Anime.YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions
"* Ambiguously Gay: If one pays close enough attention after the graduation rehearsal, they'll see there's a brief moment where a female student grabs another female student by the arm and they both walk off-screen. While their intentions are unknown, it's implied that may be lesbians."
I had deleted this example after asking about it on the "Is This An Example? thread, with a consensus it wasn't, and posted why in the edit reason, but a different troper than the one that originally put it there has put it back without an edit reason.
openSpeculation and pre-commented-out examples
Shiva Hellfire added pre-commented-out speculative examples to Series.Crisis On Infinite Earths 2019, at which point they were removed as such examples are not allowed. They then immediately added them back without the comment tags, alongside un-commenting some examples I had previously commented out for being speculative.
Permission to re-hide the offending examples?
openAbout sources
Some days ago I edited the Comic Books article to include a source (issue 200, which also includes the caption) for the picture of Villainous Breakdown. Later, user St Fan deleted the source with no reason why.
Is it wrong to include the source of the pictures?
openEditor with indexing, ZCE, and indentation issues
In the last week, DaveTheUtilitarian has created seven stub subpages in the AwesomeMusic/ namespace with only one or two examples each, never with proper context (and, in some cases, violating the rule that examples are not general with examples that simply read "Any metal cover of it.", where "it" is the example immediately above). None of those pages were indexed either, and most of them didn't format the examples as a bullet list correctly. I sent the offending pages to the cutlist when it became clear they had no intention of indexing or improving them; the cuts have been approved, by the look of things.
I noticed the name looked familiar and looked into their edit history, and they did the same thing last month, this time with an entire Music/ page and its subpages - the Music/ page had a stub description and no tropes, and none of the relevant pages were indexed. (And, once again, they were cut for being unindexed stubs.) I've sent them something like half a dozen notifiers each for indentation, indexing, and zero-context examples, and they haven't acknowledged a single one of them, nor has their page creation improved.
openBetterGuiltyThanIncompetent rogue launch
It looks like NaruHinaFan has made a rogue launch of Better Guilty Than Incompetent.
Edited by thokopen Suspiciously Specific Denial
I believe that Tropers.Fan 727 has expressed an intention to use sockpuppets for questionable purposes by means of denying that certain other troper handles belong to them.
This is the content of their most recent post in the Complete Monster cleanup.
NOTE: I'm not Misry 6. I also ran across All The Tropes Wiki and Villains Wiki, because anyone wishing to see villains or older/alternative versions has can land there.
I'm also not Walrus Guy. (Another user seen on both wikis.)
I have checked the edits for both Tropers.Walrus Guy and Tropers.Misry 6 and they seem to be empty, which strikes me as somewhat suspicious. I believe that this matter may need to be investigated, just to be on the safe side.
Edit: Only now just realized that they were denying that they used those usernames on the other sites; no wonder I was confused.
Addendum: Based on Fan727's interactions with Misry 6 on other sites, Misry 6 just got caught in the crossfire.
PS: This ATT took place long before Misry joined the site.
Edited by SkyCat32open 2001 tv series name Live Action TV
I am trying to remember the name of a tv series that first showed in 2001 on pay tv in Australia. It was an American sitcom about a woman who was newly separated/divorced and moved into a hotel, and then ends up dating a guy who works at the hotel. The woman was a brunette. The young man was a blonde, and I think younger by a few years. Anyone have any ideas?
On the Awesome page for Rick & Morty here, SP Burke added this entry:
I don't know if this entry is kosher or not, but in any case, concernedalien11780 added the simple line of "among other things" to it.
My concern is not that—it is the HUGE edit reason along with it.
"Most of the toxic fandom controversies relating to Rick and Morty were in relation to either people who use Rick as a reason to act pseudo-intellectual and mean to others, harassing female writers on Twitter, or acting like lines like "Wubba-Lubba-Dub-Dub!" and "Pickle Rick!" are funny without context, and where all three of those might overlap. While certainly not apolitical, Season 3 didn't really have any obvious political satire or moralizing, because despite Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland being ardently liberal, albeit Harmon rather moreso, they don't like to preach very much, at least not within the show itself. Even the instiutionalized racism allegories in S 3 E 07 "Tales From The Citadel" didn't have anything obviously referencing any real-life instances of police brutality or systemic struggles. Perhaps "Fascist Morty" was a way of calling out fans that harp on any liberal politics or bigotry being depicted as negative appearing in the show whatsoever and interpret it as being preached at, or people who say they don't want politics in their TV when they really just don't want to see alt-right types depicted as villains, despite there being few other ways to depict them in modern mainstream media. This is perhaps more applicable to the controversies relating to HBO's Watchmen show than Rick and Morty. The way it was done in this episode was perhaps the least preachy way to address a larger issue surrounding the show's fandom, and could trick the kinds of fans implicitly being mocked into laughing at it as well. TLDR, while I won't remove the "Awesome" entry on them calling out neo-Nazis in the Rick and Morty fandom, because of the rules on opinion-based entries, I at least chose to add the "among other things" to at least partially address what the controversy is really about. While there perhaps is something to be said about not letting the show be honest about the world we live in, I don't think that not wanting to hear a certain kind of opinion in the shows one watches should automatically make someone be seen as a neo-Nazi, and that if they're going to acknowledge anything relating to the toxic fandom, it should be the other things I mentioned, even if it runs the risk of making the show come off as more preachy. Most alt-right people hate Rick and Morty already anyway due to it being a defining part of the liberal comedy community of the 2010s, so they're probably not going to see the show anyway, let alone get the message. If my rant here makes any of the higher-ups decide that the entry I'm talking about should be removed or more heavily edited, then OK. I'm not trying to change anything too heavily, I just want readers to consider things from multiple angles."
So...Yeah. Is this okay?