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resolved A problem writing apostrophes Music
Editing HalaCG's page I was trying to write an example with multiple works that I have to write in italics while also having to add an apostrophe and an s ('s) at the end. But the combination made it so that it ends up coming out as bold, like this:
- Cover Version: When she isn't doing an original song she will be doing a cover for one, such as Goddess of Victory: NIKKEs "The Red Hood", Reverse: 1999s "Catch You Now" or One Piece Film: Red's "New Genesis".
How do I fix this?
Edited by Rhino8888openReal-life troping problem on K-Pop group pages Music
After getting a little savvy with TV Tropes, one thing I've noticed is how the majority of pages for Korean pop artists violate the Real Life Troping policy. The K-pop scene is a scene where many fans (get the impression of) knowing their favorite singers really well, and the fandom can sometimes be quite similar to ones of fictional properties, so I understand why this happens... but it's not allowed on TV Tropes. (For the record, most K-pop stars don't play any fictional persona; all the "fictionalization" could be chalked up to image management or editing out the bad parts, but most aren't playing characters.)
As an experiment, I thought of a random K-pop group - in this case, U-KISS - and guess what? Almost none of it was about the music, but about the people in the group! (It's also filled with misuse, both in the real life troping and the few examples related to their music, but that's besides the point.) I thought this could be the fault of being a page that probably hadn't been touched since 2012, but I checked the page of NMIXX and it has a whole section on tropes applying to the members.
I was thinking of making a short-term about this, but I heard I should discuss over here instead of unilaterally making a thread at the Short Term Projects forum. I'm sure this could also be a problem with pages for other non-Korean idol singers, since those too market their image and personality over anything else. And when it comes to controversies, which K-pop fans always handle with the utmost tact, it can get real messy. (A while back I deleted a massive wall of text on the SS501 page about the leader Hyunjoong's controversy... that occurred years after SS501 went on "indefinite hiatus.") Anyways, what should we do?
(Sorry if I didn't convey my message well; it's just something that's been bugging me for a while.)
Edited by neruneruparkaopen Uncertain page type Music
While doing other cleanup I came across Korean Pop Music, a page that is categorized as an index and, among other things, has an example list. All of the examples are general to the genre, but I'm not sure if this is kosher?
Additionally, I'm not sure its categorized properly either. The page reads more like a Useful Note. It does list a bunch of artists in the industry, which I suppose is what its indexing, but it's more just a list as many of the artists do not have pages on this cite.
I'm not sure what to do with this page, or if there's a thread this should be taken to.
openHow to add Heartwarming and Funny to Musicians Music
I have been done a lot of editing to the Sheena Easton page on here and I was going to add the Heartwarming and Funny tabs or whatever you call them, but when I click on the "Create New" function, they are not listed and I know some examples that would fit in both of those categories for her, in particular her work with Prince.
open"Duplicate examples" between album YMMV pages and musical artist Moments pages Music
When I created a Nightmare Fuel page for The Downward Spiral, I removed all of the Moments item examples in its YMMV page due to them already being mentioned (with better detail, on top of that) in the Moments pages of its band Nine Inch Nails. Then Time Lord Victorious came in and re-added the Tear Jerker entry for the song "Hurt" (albeit with an even shorter description) in The Downward Spiral's page.
What I want to ask is, what's the policy on including album-specific examples on both the album's YMMV page and the Moments pages for the artist (when the album doesn't have its own page for the itemnote The Downward Spiral currently doesn't have pages for Moment of Awesome, Funny Moments, Heartwarming Moments and Tear Jerker, just Nightmare Fuel)? And, based on the re-add of the "Hurt" entry, is an edit war at play here?
Edited by Inky100openProblematic troper Music
cryptic-immortal has been editing the Music.Muse page and its subpages recently, and many of their edits... Concern me. For example...
- Here, they added a Drinking Game entry to the YMMV page, even though I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be linked there.
- On the WMG page, they seem to be indulging in quite a bit of self-natter, complete with the usual First-Person Writing. They're adding natter to the Headscratchers page, too.
- They also have formatting issues, such as when they attempted to add the aforementioned Drinking Game entry on the main page before moving it to YMMV.
- Finally, they have problems with example context, like here.
I have sent notifers to them.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMopenHow do you properly write something in Awesome Music Music
It seems no matter how hard I try, there's always something wrong when I try to write things in a page's "Awesome Music" tab. Now, I actually do make mistakes in my writing, and I always go back and correct them all. I also keep the Notifiers I receive in mind and have improved since then. But somehow it's still not enough.
I describe each song with as much detail as necessary, I use proper grammar, and I also index everything. What else am I missing?
Here's an example of one of the Awesome Music pages I wrote Afrojack.
Edited by surname4uopenProblems on Music/FallingInReverse Music
A number of examples on the page appear to be troping the frontman himself rather than either his work or performances or describing the real life history of the band using narrative tropes. Can I just remove them and rewrite the salvageable ones or is this big enough to take to a cleanup thread?
- The Atoner: Ronnie after making up with Craig in 2013 and becoming a father, seems to really want to ditch the past "Radical Ronnie" bravado he put on. He also seems incredibly regretful about the time he cheated on his girlfriend, especially as it caused him to see his daughter less. (this one's also a morality trope)
- Even the Guys Want Him: Ronnie. (fanservice trope applied to a real person, Weblinks Are Not Examples and it's a matter of opinion)
- Jerkass: Ronnie Radke, if this video is anything to go by. Several other people, including fans themselves, have even called him out on this. The incident where he threw a mic stand into the crowd at a show at Six Flags Great Adventure and managed to both send several people to the hospital and get heavier acts permanently banned from being booked at the park did not help matters.
- His choice of lyrical content is all you need to know Ronnie is a bit of a jerk, with lines like "They'll call me king of the music scene" (morality trope being applied to a real person and the second is both subjective and possibly complainy)
- Large Ham: Ronnie. (also zero context; could be rewritten to describe actual performances by someone who knows more about such things than I do)
- Long-Haired Pretty Boy: All of them, but especially Ronnie for most fangirls.
- Mr. Fanservice: Especially Ronnie and Jacky. (these two have the same problems as Even the Guys Want Him and are also zero context)
- Parental Abandonment: Ronnie's mom left him and his brother when they were young.
- He finally met her again in November 2013. (this is just straight up real life; it could be rewritten to describe songs that talk about his mother rather than the literal events)
- Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll: The focus of many of their songs, since they were apparently written by Ronnie while he was in jail and going through rehab. However, he is currently very much sober, and as much can be assumed for the other band members.
- Actually a requirement on tour. Ronnie is Straight Edge now, and doesn't trust himself around substances to the point of declaring them off limits on the bus. I See Stars were thrown off tour in 2012 when their keyboard player was arrested for weed possession. (everything past it being the subject of songs is real life)
- Start My Own: How the band was formed. Ronnie was mad at his former bandmates and swore to become bigger than they were. (For the record, they're about equal ever since.)
- Also why Max left. He'd been attempting to make a band of his own since being thrown out of ETF, and finally they debuted in 2016 as Violent New Breed.
- Jacky started a solo shred/instrumental rock project and eventually left to focus on it.
resolved A separate list of cover art tropes Music
The main page for Edguy has two separate trope lists - one for the music, and one for the cover art. The problem is that the cover art list only has four examples, two of which are under the same trope (that being Monster Clown). The header has the preface, "While not necessarily reflected in the lyrics...", but it's clear enough just from reading the examples themselves that they're talking about the cover art rather than lyrics. Is it worth having these examples in their own separate list when there's currently so few of them?
Edited by Akriloth2160openOne Hit Wonder - for albums as well as songs? Music
supernintendo128 added an example to One Hit Wonder.Rock Music about an artist only known for one album. That term, and the page itself, traditionally refers to artists known for one song, not an album. The article itself describes songs not albums, most references I can find about the term describe songs not albums too. The term for an artist known for only one album seems to be "One Album Wonder". A One Album Wonder is a very different thing from a One Hit Wonder for songs: A "one album wonder" might have multiple hit songs from one album but then never have any others (Hootie & the Blowfish or Lauryn Hill, for instance) and none of those artists are listed on the One Hit Wonder pages.
I removed the example because it seemed to me to be a misuse of the trope and its long-held definition, but now I'm wondering if "One Album Wonder" or something to that effect could be its own trope or own subsection.
What do you all think should be done? Was this Remo Drive example about an album a misuse of the trope, or should One Album Wonder acts be listed in a new subpage? At the very least, I think listing album examples alongside the song examples could become very confusing very fast.
Edited by thelivingtoadopen everything is an instrument Music
I'm looking for a song that is an example of the trope,"everything is an instrument". The song was made in a lumberyard using the machinery there.
openHarsher in Hindsight - Music Music
The Harsher in Hindsight page for Music is a complete mess.
Not only are there a lot of very weak examples (including numerous "oh no this person is now dead so sad" entries) but many entries are repeated, including the parts about Queen, Soundgarden & Sinead O'connor, among others. Multiple entries about the same artist have not been grouped together. And to top it all off, it's not in alphabetical order.
Putting this right will be a mammoth undertaking. Is there somewhere this can go in order to invite the community to do what we can to sort this page out?
resolved Memetic Mutation misuse? Music
Found this on YMMV/Deftones:
- Memetic Mutation: Stephen revealing himself to be a believer in several conspiracies, including the flat Earth theory, anti-vax and COVID-19 denial, was immediately met with widespread scorn from the fandom along with several memes referencing songs such as "Hole in the Earth".
This is already in need of a tweak of some kind since that Vimeo link is dead, but I'm not even sure it's an example of Memetic Mutation - it's more focused on memes made in response to a scenario rather than the scenario itself becoming a meme.
Edited by Akriloth2160openMusic page without any tropes Music
Pachelbel's Canon has no trope examples but does have a list of usage in other works. Should it be moved to Useful Notes?
openConflicting edits on Overshadowed By Controversy Music
R. Kelly is without a doubt a qualifier for Overshadowed by Controversy, and he has an entry on the Music subsection for that page. A while ago, I noticed that the entry (which I had added a lot of detail to previously), had become bloated and bordering on No Real Life Examples, Please!. I decided to clean it back in September with a valid reason. Due to the length of both entries, I've decided to split them into folders.
- Even people who aren't fans of R. Kelly know about his brief marriage to Aaliyah (who was fifteen at the time) and his arrest for urinating on an underage girl, and his subsequent acquittal despite the existence of video evidence, which many found to be a disgusting example of Screw the Rules, I Have Money!. While Kelly's career was slowly going down by the late 2010s,note Spotify stopped promoting his music on the grounds of "hate content", while his concerts were being boycotted and radio stations stopped playing his music during the rise of the #MuteRKelly movement the bottom eventually fell out in 2019 following the release of the Lifetime documentary series Surviving R. Kelly, which showed evidence and accusations of him running a sex cult, his attempts to cover up his sexual abuse allegations, the backstory behind the trial, and having sexual affairs with women who tended to be underage. The success of the documentary saw Kelly lose virtually all of his remaining fans, with many of Kelly's collaborators (such as Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, and Céline Dion), and many of those formerly close to him (his ex-wife Drea Lee and Sparkle) backing up the documentary and regretting working with him publicly, a search warrant was issued for his manager in Georgia, and RCA Records dropped him publicly. Ultimately, Kelly ended up being charged with 28 accounts of sexual abuse and has been in jail awaiting trial since July 2019. He also didn’t help things by going on a violent, hyperbolic rant in the middle of being interviewed by Gayle King (and at the same time made King a Memetic Badass for just calmly sitting there and not appearing the slightest bit flustered).
- R. Kelly was once one of the most successful R&B singers of The '90s, being known for songs such as "I Believe I Can Fly", "Ignition", and "Bump N Grind". Over time, however, he became better known for his marriage to Aaliyah (who was fifteen at the time) and his arrest for urinating on an underage girl, and his subsequent acquittal despite the existence of video evidence. Then in 2019, the Lifetime documentary series Surviving R. Kelly was released, which accused Kelly of him running a sex cult and having affairs with several other underaged girls. The documentary's release further damaged his reputation, and he was eventually charged with 28 accounts of sexual abuse.
A day later, miraculous edited the entry to include a section about him being found guilty, which I deliberately avoided doing at the time due to OBC's 6-month waiting period.
Then two days ago, Amuck Cricetine reverted the entry back to before I edited it without a reason.
Rather than risk an edit war, I would like to ask what I should do.
EDIT: This isn't the first time Amuck has been brought up in ATT.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopenOkay to add specific musical keys to MoodMotif? Music
On Mood Motif, currently the only entry about musical keys is a list of moods that minor keys give off.
However, I've been thinking for a while about the differences between specific minor keys and their moods. For example, D Minor tends to be the go-to "evil" key. It sounds epic and dramatic. C Sharp Minor, on the other hand, is more subdued and melancholic. I think different minor keys are associated with different moods.
This also goes for major keys. C Major is often seen as happy and simple, sometimes in a childish way. E Flat Major is grand, powerful, and uplifting.
Would it be okay to start listing specific musical keys and their stereotypes on this page? I don't have stereotypes for every major and minor key yet, but for the keys I do have, I can think of a few examples of songs in those keys that fit the stereotypes associated with them.
Edited by DrNoPumaopenCorrect formatting on Awesome Music? Music
I added the following set of examples to AwesomeMusic.Electronic:
- Old-school Drum and Bass and jungle have produced some killer tracks as well:
- "Dancer" by Tom & Jerry is one such track, with its fast-paced drum beats mixed with some downright gorgeous backing instrumentals.
- "Coolin Out" by LTJ Bukem is another great track, which blends a relaxing ambient background with the frenetic drum beats typical of Drum and Bass.
Unfortunately I am unaware of how to format this, and the rest of the page isn't much help since it is also riddled with formatting errors. Example Indentation in Trope Lists additionally wasn't much help here either, since I didn't see a similar situation to mine on it.
I am fairly sure I formatted it incorrectly, so I brought it here to figure out what to do with it. What is the correct formatting for this specific set of examples?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenOops. Music
The bottom part of the Memes/Music page is a disaster, as it looks like someone tore through it and made the label notes not work. I am beginning to think that I accidentally caused it, as an I am pretty sure an example switched to a broken one after I deleted a broken one. Can someone please revert my edits and make them better? P.S: Sorry for the length and begging.
Edited by ehwhynot
Hello,
I tried adding an example on a trope page, but the text did not work, and I don't know why. Below I will paste the relevant piece of text that doesn't work.
"* Music/Nas announced the death of Tupac Shakur"
The Tupac thing works correctly, but not the Nas one.
I do hope this isn't the wrong place to ask by the way. If so, my bad.