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openPermission to recreate Music.FrankieKnuckles Music
Permission to recreate Music.Frankie Knuckles and add tropes? And would I be able to find the old version of the page?
openJon English page Music
I've been making a page for Jon English. It's pretty good so far, but could still use more. If any Aussie tropers want to help out, that would be greatly appreciated.
openHow to recreate Music/TripleQ Music
The page Triple-Q was cut for not having tropes. I thought of some tropes that could be added to it, so could someone revive the page so I can add the tropes?
open Edit War on CondemnedByHistory.Music Music
Over on CondemnedByHistory.Music, D Jones 662 added an entry about the song "You Light Up My Life" that was overly long. bowserbros promptly shortened the entry.
D Jones 662 proceeded to revert the entry back to its original long form. Aside from the Edit War, should I revert this back? Is it legit to begin with?
open Can songs have their own trope pages? Music
I've always seen albums with their own trope pages with songs (and the tropes applying to them) listed in there, but never a song with its own trope page.
I'm rarely familiar with all the songs from a single album, rather, I'm a fan of just a couple of songs and maybe the general concept of the album. The thing is, for most of the songs that I know, there's no trope page for the albums they come from, so I'm not entirely sure how to proceed.
openProblems on Music/FallingInReverse Music
A number of examples on the page appear to be troping the frontman himself rather than either his work or performances or describing the real life history of the band using narrative tropes. Can I just remove them and rewrite the salvageable ones or is this big enough to take to a cleanup thread?
- The Atoner: Ronnie after making up with Craig in 2013 and becoming a father, seems to really want to ditch the past "Radical Ronnie" bravado he put on. He also seems incredibly regretful about the time he cheated on his girlfriend, especially as it caused him to see his daughter less. (this one's also a morality trope)
- Even the Guys Want Him: Ronnie. (fanservice trope applied to a real person, Weblinks Are Not Examples and it's a matter of opinion)
- Jerkass: Ronnie Radke, if this video is anything to go by. Several other people, including fans themselves, have even called him out on this. The incident where he threw a mic stand into the crowd at a show at Six Flags Great Adventure and managed to both send several people to the hospital and get heavier acts permanently banned from being booked at the park did not help matters.
- His choice of lyrical content is all you need to know Ronnie is a bit of a jerk, with lines like "They'll call me king of the music scene" (morality trope being applied to a real person and the second is both subjective and possibly complainy)
- Large Ham: Ronnie. (also zero context; could be rewritten to describe actual performances by someone who knows more about such things than I do)
- Long-Haired Pretty Boy: All of them, but especially Ronnie for most fangirls.
- Mr. Fanservice: Especially Ronnie and Jacky. (these two have the same problems as Even the Guys Want Him and are also zero context)
- Parental Abandonment: Ronnie's mom left him and his brother when they were young.
- He finally met her again in November 2013. (this is just straight up real life; it could be rewritten to describe songs that talk about his mother rather than the literal events)
- Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll: The focus of many of their songs, since they were apparently written by Ronnie while he was in jail and going through rehab. However, he is currently very much sober, and as much can be assumed for the other band members.
- Actually a requirement on tour. Ronnie is Straight Edge now, and doesn't trust himself around substances to the point of declaring them off limits on the bus. I See Stars were thrown off tour in 2012 when their keyboard player was arrested for weed possession. (everything past it being the subject of songs is real life)
- Start My Own: How the band was formed. Ronnie was mad at his former bandmates and swore to become bigger than they were. (For the record, they're about equal ever since.)
- Also why Max left. He'd been attempting to make a band of his own since being thrown out of ETF, and finally they debuted in 2016 as Violent New Breed.
- Jacky started a solo shred/instrumental rock project and eventually left to focus on it.
opencaptioning an uncaptioned ImagePickin image? Music
Image Pickin just updated the image on Unleash the Archers to my suggestion with the current lineup. I just wanted to caption it with the names of the band members like most band pages do, but the thread is closed. Can I just do it?
Edited by StarSwordopenMisplaced(?) page Music
I just found we have a page for Twenty Fifteen Brit Awards Taylor Swift. Is it allowed for a singular live performance to be split into its own page? Is Recap/ even the correct namespace for it?
Edited by FernandoLemonopenTonight, Tonight Music
The page for "Tonight, Tonight" by The Smashing Pumpkins was recently cut with the reason "We really don't need trope pages for specific songs."
But that's not true, we have an entire index for songs with pages. Why the cut?
openOverhauling or deleting the Prince's Associates page Music
I noticed that Prince's Associates is in the complaining cleanup sandbox, and for good reason. However, looking it over got me thinking about how weird the whole concept of the page is. I don't know of another page with that many different creators listed on it that isn't an index, their only commonality being their collaboration with one artist. It was written a long time ago so I don't know the thought process behind its creation, but it appears the original writer wanted simply to tell a story about Prince (hence the entries being in chronological rather than alphabetical order) and didn't think the artists were interesting enough to warrant their own pages. But since There Is No Such Thing as Notability some of them have gotten their own pages anyway, which makes me wonder if we're better off breaking up the whole page and perhaps leaving it as an actual index or a redirect to Prince himself.
I'm not sure of the proper way to go about this, though. Making major changes to work and creator pages doesn't seem to require the same rigamarole as changing tropes, but I'm thinking that this is too drastic a change to just undertake myself. What do you suggest?
Edited by CamassiaopenShould we create a page for grime music? Music
Should we create a music genre page for Grime music/UK rap?
openTally Hall Music
So, I'm a little unsure with what to do for Tally Hall. After the band broke up in 2011, some of them went on to do new music projects. Rob Cantor has an album, Not a Trampoline (2014), and a few unreleased songs that are still troped on the Tally Hall page (such as "Cuckoo"). He also recorded four songs for a musical that never happened. I don't think these are likely to be continued, but there might be enough material for an individual Rob Cantor page about his songs (Not a Trampoline and then other ones he's done like "Nobody Else Quite Like You", "Country Good", "Christian Bale is at Your Party" — his "Shia LaBeouf" Live is a single song with its own article).
There's also Miracle Musical (2012), a band formed by Joe Hawley that includes some Tally Hall members (some songs, like "Time Machine" and "The Mind Electric" date back to Tally Hall's earlier days but were remastered here), and "The Mind Electric" is troped on the Tally Hall page. They only have one album that has a lot of different interpretations, but it also includes guest artists who weren't in Tally Hall. Furthering this, there's also a Joe Hawley solo album called Joe Hawley Joe Hawley (2016).
Personally, I think Rob Cantor could be split off because he's done a decent amount of stuff on his own. Miracle Musical might be distinct enough for its own page.
openA little too much real-life troping on Michael Jackson Music
chizo made some absolutely massive edits to Michael Jackson's main page, and probably edited some of the subpages as well. Most of these are troping the man himself, and also bloated his page description by a crazy amount. Much of the page description can honestly go with the RL tropes, but I wanted to get consensus before firing up the chainsaw.
resolved A separate list of cover art tropes Music
The main page for Edguy has two separate trope lists - one for the music, and one for the cover art. The problem is that the cover art list only has four examples, two of which are under the same trope (that being Monster Clown). The header has the preface, "While not necessarily reflected in the lyrics...", but it's clear enough just from reading the examples themselves that they're talking about the cover art rather than lyrics. Is it worth having these examples in their own separate list when there's currently so few of them?
Edited by Akriloth2160open Self Report Music
It appears I have let my hatred for sexual predators seep into my edit reasons beyond a point that is considered socially acceptable. Admittedly, I am not handling the notion of a prolific nonce being allowed any freedom whatsoever very well at all.
I just want to explain that I acted rashly due to my anti-predator bias, compounded by the fact that Ian Watkins—a man who considers molesting children "mega lolz"—could go free in seven years.
I am considering going on hiatus so that I can clear my head.
I understand if the mods feel a suspension is necessary. Hopefully, if such is the case, I can appeal a while after the suspension, when I have a clear head.
Edited by SkyCat32openOne Hit Wonder - for albums as well as songs? Music
supernintendo128 added an example to One Hit Wonder.Rock Music about an artist only known for one album. That term, and the page itself, traditionally refers to artists known for one song, not an album. The article itself describes songs not albums, most references I can find about the term describe songs not albums too. The term for an artist known for only one album seems to be "One Album Wonder". A One Album Wonder is a very different thing from a One Hit Wonder for songs: A "one album wonder" might have multiple hit songs from one album but then never have any others (Hootie & the Blowfish or Lauryn Hill, for instance) and none of those artists are listed on the One Hit Wonder pages.
I removed the example because it seemed to me to be a misuse of the trope and its long-held definition, but now I'm wondering if "One Album Wonder" or something to that effect could be its own trope or own subsection.
What do you all think should be done? Was this Remo Drive example about an album a misuse of the trope, or should One Album Wonder acts be listed in a new subpage? At the very least, I think listing album examples alongside the song examples could become very confusing very fast.
Edited by thelivingtoadopen everything is an instrument Music
I'm looking for a song that is an example of the trope,"everything is an instrument". The song was made in a lumberyard using the machinery there.
openValue judgements re-added to works page Music
This isn't as severe of a matter as the last time I inquired about it, but I'm asking it here to avoid the possibility of causing an edit war.
Long story short, Cecil Behar made a work page for Summer in Paradise, an album by The Beach Boys that was a notorious critical and commercial failure. The description included a paragraph about its negative reception, which ran counter to a point on Administrivia.How To Create A Works Page stating that value judgements (including critical and fan reception) shouldn't be in a work page's description. Consequently, I removed the reception portion, citing the Administrivia page in the edit summary. Some time later, however, CeciBehar added it back with the edit summary "I put back some of what I originally wrote in the album's description. It is allowed to include criticism if it references the reception of the work by the critics and reviews (and if this isn't allowed, a whole lot of different pages need editing too)."
If memory serves, "reception of the work by the critics and reviews" counts as a value judgement, meaning it'd go against the wiki's rules for works pages either way. Should it be removed again or is there actually an exception to the "no value judgements" rule that I wasn't aware of?
I'm trying to name this page the way it should be labeled. It's supposed to be "2 Brothers on the 4th Floor" but it won't let me say that. So for now it's "Two brothers on the 4th Floor" which looks awkward. I would like to know how I could move this page, and give it it's proper wording.
Here's the page I need help on. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/TwoBrothersOnThe4thFloor