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Is anyone keeping up with the Pathfinder adventure paths? The Whispering King is the main antagonist of the new arc and given that he's implementing his grand plan to become a god a la Nicol Bolas in War of the Spark I think that there are plenty of updates to be made.

Hey whatever happened to the writeup for blue jones from Sucker Punch ?

Yeah, that's just for the Comic Books folder.

Edited by ACW on Aug 15th 2019 at 2:57:03 PM

Well folks, I came to do what I said I would do, now it is time for me to return to the shadows.

Farewell, foolish mortals...

Remember, reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, bye!

Any more votes for Vlad/Drac?

Wait know what did happen to blue Jones.

We approved him but I don't see his writeup

Yeah, that’s a good point. What about Blue Jones’ write up? (Late to him by the way) Who’s gonna write it?

Oh, and for Music!Dracula too.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Aug 15th 2019 at 12:40:18 PM

Well, Elfen did the EP, so he should probably be the one to do the writeup.

Everyone I missed

to Berkshire, The Reaper and Crew, Da Ji and Colonel Arnold Hawthorne.

Goodbye SumDumNerd, hope to see you again one day.

Edited by MGD107 on Aug 15th 2019 at 1:42:20 AM

yes to the above there as well.

Also, just to check in...I finished Knightfall Season 2 recently, and I think King Philip is a near, near miss. As awful as he gets (and it's awful), there are members of his family he loved in the past, and his daughter, and his care for them is never explicitly discarded as it was with his wife or how he treats his son. Philip is awful in every respect, and ends up deserving his final fate, but he narrowly misses this trope.

Out of curiosity, how bad DOES he get, and what IS his final fate.

Seems kinda like 2012!Thanos: No longer a WIE, but never explicitly discards his love for Gamora.

He murders his pregnant wife, Joan, goes ham on the Templar Order, with mass torture, executions, burning people alive, tries to have his wife's baby bastard child murdered by her own half brother, has a bunch of people killed, throws his daughter-in-law in a tower to rot for adultery (she's been framed, but he's a bit prickly about adultery by that point), and general dickery....oh, and he has the pope murdered to bring in his own puppet.

By the end, his chancellor and son have had enough of him and leave him to his former best friend/arch-enemy, Landry who kills him in a sword fight after informing him god has forsaken him.

We'll meet again, Nerd.

In any case, I am pleased to announce that I will be tackling the other books in the Night Huntress series, alongside ElfenLiedFan90 and Libraryseraph. If all goes just as planned, we may even have a full subpage to create. Worst case scenario, I get at least one good candidate. Either way, I'm pumped.

Wow what an asshole. Kinda sad he doesn't count

Good luck there. Shoot me a pm if your curious on anything to do with heinous standard among urban fantasy works.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 15th 2019 at 2:11:05 AM

If anyone's got any 616 candidates, or any incarnations of Satan, please let me know.

For a 616 candidate. Robert Callahan from Uncanny X-Men. ?

A general ripper seems unique even for x men.

Hes pretty new and only in 9 issues but rather nasty from the reviews I saw.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 15th 2019 at 2:33:06 AM

Hmm, that's a possibility.

I might have one (two?) incarnations of Satan you could check out, ACW, from The Omega Code duology. I'll send you a PM once I finish watching the movies.

Thanks. Let me know how the movies are too.

I've uh heard there quite something

Scraggle and I may have a duo from the band Kamelot as well

I took a stab at a couple of rewrites from the Transformers page. Here are the originals:

• Overlord, debuting as the Big Bad in Last Stand of the Wreckers, is without a doubt the most depraved Decepticon to ever grace Megatron's ranks. Though always a terrifying force of savagery, known and feared by friend and foe alike due to his psychotic brutality on the battlefield where he regularly slaughters dozens of enemies with his bare hands, Overlord's truly wicked nature comes out in full when he is sent to Garrus-9 to oversee the rescue of Decepticon prisoners. Deciding instead to take over the entire planet, Overlord executes the current Decepticon general, alongside any of his supporters, before turning the planet into a hellish concentration camp occupied by hundreds of Autobot prisoners. Overlord takes sick pleasure in the various atrocities he perpetrates against his defenseless prisoners, from dismemberment, to public executions, to "releasing" them, then chasing them across the planet in "hunts", all of which he subjects his own troops to should they annoy him. Having a pathological fear of defeat, Overlord's entire motive stems from always losing to Megatron in sparring matches, and to ensure he can't "lose" to the Wreckers when they come to rescue his prisoners, Overlord has all 50 of the surviving prisoners executed. Returning later in the More Than Meets the Eye story arc, Overlord escapes confinement and shreds his way through dozens of Autobots before Rewind sacrifices himself to take down Overlord, though not before Overlord rips all of his limbs off then bites his head in two, all of which he later taunts Rewind's spouse with. In his final appearance, Overlord once again oversees a horrifying war campaign against the Autobots, culminating in him ditching his allies to their fates when he grows bored of the proceedings. Overlord is an abomination of a Decepticon who horrifies and disgusts everyone he meets, his own teammates included, something he laughs about every chance he gets.

• Pharma is a former Autobot Medic who went evil. After saving one of the main character's lives, he became the head medic at a medical facility on the planet Delphi. There he received death threats from an elite Decepticon unit who threatened to overrun the place, and began bribing them with organs, first from dead bots but later he began killing living ones. Eventually it becomes too much, and he has two other Decepticons unleash a plague on the facility to kill everyone and cover up his crimes. When he's revealed, he shoots a life-support, sending about 20 patients into near death states to distract everyone. He then tries to kill Ratchet twice before being thrown off the facility. He survives the fall and is recruited into the group of Chief Justice Tyrest, who drilled a hole in his head and is trying to destroy all Transformers he considers inferior; all the Decepticons admit to being freaked out by him. When he finds Ratchet again, he separates Ratchet's head and spark from his body and starts torturing him. To prove he is a better medic, he has one of his co-workers from Delphi, Ambulon, sliced in half, vertically from head to crotch, with a chainsaw, and tells Ratchet to fix him. Ambulon dies in agony before the chainsaw leaves him. Later Pharma shoots Brainstorm.

And my rewrites:

• Overlord is a psychopathic Decepticon Super-Soldier, feared by friend and foe alike for his brutality and sadism. Driven by a hatred for Megatron, who always defeated Overlord in sparring matches, Overlord eventually deserts from the Decepticons, hoping that Megatron will hunt him down. Seizing control of Garrus-9, Overlord turns the planet into a hellish concentration camp, committing various atrocities against his helpless prisoners, showing the same cruelty to his own troops should they displease him. When the Wreckers come to Garrus-9 to liberate the prison, Overlord has all surviving prisoners executed to cheat the Wreckers of their victory before being subdued. Imprisoned aboard the Lost Light, Overlord escapes confinement and tears his way through the crew, with his rampage only being stopped when Rewind ejects himself and Overlord from the ship, for which Overlord dismembers Rewind and bites his head in two, later taunting Rewind's spouse Chromedome with the gory details. Later taking on a mission to assassinate Megatron, Overlord joins the Decepticon Justice Division in a campaign against the Lost Light crew, abandoning his allies to their fates when he grows bored with the proceedings. In his final appearance in Requiem of the Wreckers, Overlord aligns himself with the mad scientist Tarantulas, posing as a human politician to stir up anti-Cybertronian sentiment as part of a social experiment. Overlord goes on to murder Tarantulas and hijack his Timemaze project, planning to use it to kill Megatron over and over again throughout history. A depraved abomination of a Decepticon, Overlord is a sadist without equal that horrifies everyone who knows of him.

• Pharma started out as a renowned Autobot medic who became head of a medical facility on the planet Delphi. Receiving death threats from the dreaded Decepticon Justice Division, Pharma began bribing them with organs from dead patients to ward them off, but moved on to killing living patients when the DJD's demand increased. Descending into madness, Pharma had two Decepticon prisoners unleash a plague on the facility to kill everyone and cover up his crimes. When exposed, Pharma shoots a life-support machine, endangering 20 patients, to distract from his escape, as well as trying to kill his old friend Ratchet. Later recruited by the unhinged Chief Justice Tyrest, Pharma aids in his scheme to destroy all constructed cold Transformers. Meeting Ratchet again, Pharma dismantles his body, reducing Ratchet to a head and spark chamber, and tortures him. When Ratchet challenges Pharma to prove which of them is the better medic, Pharma gruesomely cuts Ambulon in half from head to crotch, killing him and daring Ratchet to fix him, later laughing about this crime when confronted about it. A cowardly sadist at heart, Pharma proves himself willing to sink to any depths to save his own skin or to hurt his enemies.

Also, I proposed a couple of quotes a while back that didn't get a lot of feedback and didn't end up on the quotes page, so here they are again:

August Walker: Is it true [Solomon] Lane gassed a village of 2000 people?
Ethan Hunt: Yes.
Walker: Is it true he brought down an entire passenger plane just to kill one man?
Ethan: Yes.
Walker: Is it true that he—
Ethan: Hey, Walker, whatever you heard, if it makes your skin crawl, it's probably true.

—Mission: Impossible – Fallout

"I prayed that he would burn in hell, but in my heart, I knew that hell would not have him."

—Dr. Sam Loomis on Michael Myers, Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers

I'm okay with the quotes.

As for the rewrites, they work, but I think Lighty (or Ravok now that he's back?) was gonna do the final ones for the IDW baddies.

Yes to everyone I missed.

I do not have a 616 candidate, but I may have a Pre Crisis DC candidate and not someone obvious like the Joker:

What is the work?

So back in the early 70s, DC comics decided to go from somewhat silly escapist stories mainly aimed at kids to stuff that was more socially relevant and dealt with important issues at the time.

So Denny O'Neil took over the Green Lantern book, paired him with Green Arrow and they would go across America to see why it has so many problems after Green Arrow chewed him out for taking a slum lord's side over his abused tenants, just because he had the law on his side.

So this is the famous comic book run that took Green Arrow from a Batman knock off to the left-wing defender of the poor, established Hal starting to question the Guardians decisions and had Speedy getting hooked on heroin. Anyway going across America in the early 70s the green heroes find greed, corruption, racism, cults and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff.

Who is Joshua? What has he done?

Joshua is a cult leader, with mind control powers. He is also a pretty clear Charles Mason inspired character.

When Black Carnary is attacked by some bikers and run over by them, Joshua finds her by the side of the road, taking her back to his compound he gives her medical treatment to heal her and then mind controls her to be his minion. He has also mind-controlled several other people, forcing them to join his cult and work on his compound. Green Arrow and Green Lantern find Black Carnary on the compound and try to convince her to leave, but she refuses and Joshua says they will accept his message and demands they leave (not sure why he did not try to mind control Green Arrow and Green Lantern, oh well).

Anyway, Joshua is a white supremacist and thinks that the white race cannot live peacefully with other races and plans to kill all nonwhites within the US. He plans to start by having his cult attack a native reservation, wanting them to kill everyone there.

Green Arrow and Green Lantern defeat the cult before they can attack the reservation. Joshua takes Black Carnary with him, planning to flee and start over somewhere else, but before they leave, he orders Black Carnary to kill Green Arrow, but she cannot do it. Joshua calls her a weakling and plans to do it himself, but Green Lantern attacks Joshua with his ring, throwing him off balance and Joshua accidentally kills himself with his gun.

Is he heinous by the standards of the work?

So this is Pre Crisis DC, so the standard is lower and it is easier for someone like Joshua to stand out, some of the keepers we have from the Pre crisis-era are more high level.

Of the villains featured in this run, Joshua is one of the worst. The sleazy landlord is not heinous enough, there are some other sleazy businessmen who do not count, there was a WIE on a planet causing an overpopulation problem (like reverse Thanos), there was a guy

The only other guy from this run who count is a Corrupt Hick who runs a town and has miners work for him in terrible conditions, intentionally causes them to revolt, so he can kill a third of them, in order to cow the others into total obedience (he also has literal Nazis working for him), but I am not sure he is heinous enough.

I feel like leading a racist death cult would stand out in Pre Crisis DC.

Any Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

I do not think so.

I do not know why he nursed Black Carnary back to health, maybe he was attracted to her, maybe he thought she was a useful minion, but he calls her a weakling at the end of the story and made her his mind-controlled pawn, there is no indication he cares about her or any other cult members.

Also, I think his racism is pretty vile, he says the white race needs to destroy the other races to survive and says its a pity they have to do this, but he is clearly just motivated by racial hate and the line about it being a pity they have to do this, means nothing when he has a hateful sneer on his face while delivering it.

Final Verdict?

Keep Josh.

Does anyone think the Corrupt Hick is worth proposing?

Edited by Overlord on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:50:41 AM