Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Drafts please (when it's unlocked).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
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for Kane Luker.
Caesar
- "Curly" is easily the most unhinged of the quartet of kidnappers calling themselves the "Sons of Albion." With the others, Curly kidnaps a student named Hassan based on his Pakistani ethnicity and announces Hassan will be decapitated on a livestream the following morning, ignoring Hassan's pleas that he was born and raised in Britain. Although the kidnapping is a False Flag Operation and Hassan isn't meant to be in danger, Curly is genuinely intent on killing Hassan so he can graduate from an "armchair soldier" to a real killer. In short order, Curly takes an axe to the face of one of the other Sons after figuring out he's a mole, shoots the other through the face for not wanting to go ahead with the plot, and tries to kill the last one for attempting to help Hassan escape. Curly also comes close to committing a horrific massacre at a gas station just to terrorize Hassan into compliance, in particular promising to make a mother watch as he decapitates her two toddlers, then her.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
And here's my candidate from What If? — specifically the episode What If…? S2E1 "What If… Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?". In this episode, Ronan betrayed Thanos and is intending on launching an assault on Xandar but they managed to set up an impenetratbale shield to stop him. You're probably thinking ah yes Ronan's the candidate right? No lol, despite having the crime of ravaging Nebula's homeworld for Thanos, Ronan doesn't communicate at all in this episode and is more of a vague threat in the background. But you know who does communicate and do shit in this episode? An unexpected case of Adaptational Villainy — Irani Rael / Nova Prime (Glenn Close's character from the films)
Who is Nova Prime and what has she done?
The leader of the Nova Corps, Nova Prime manipualtes Nebula into solving the case of the demise of Yondu, leading her on to a scheme about someone trying to deactivate the shields. When Nebula gets the source code and is betrayed by Yon Rogg, she ends up at Prime's and Yon's feet in which Prime explains how she set it up to allow Ronan to invade and set up an arrangement that she still gets to be in charge as a reward for her cooperation.
As Prime leaves, she orders Saal to kill Nebula and melt her body afterwards. Prime is later seen as Saal has his team wipe out the Nova Corps in the building, with her activating the shield to open to allow Ronan to try and enter through with his ship. When Nebula and co reach Prime, it's revealed that Nebula had altered the data code to provide a Hope Spot for Ronan as she has the shields close onto his ship — causing his death. Prime then orders her troops to engage as she makes a run for it — resulting in a chase where Prime ends up hanging from a ledge. When Nebula offers Prime safety, Prime just goes to shoot her, resulting with her falling to her demise.
Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Oh no Xandar's in chaos, Ronan's the only solution? Oh wait nope you're just content with having Ronan invade so long as you keep your power. Typical NSWIE.
You could argue that maybe Prime cares for Nebula since she says that she should've joined her... except she has Saal brutalise her and she herself goes to shoot her when Nebula is offering to save her... so yeah pass.
Heinous Standard?
So with the alternate continuity clause... I think Prime's good? She's setting up Ronan to invade with her uncaring of the consequence so long as she keeps her spot, has Nebula brutalised and has Saal wipe out the Nova Corps not in on the scheme. Now the only shot we see is a corps member falling onto the floor with Saal holding a gun saying they're swept the building so make of that what you will.
Final Verdict?
Probably one of the most unexpected MCU keepers? Your call folks.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Nova Prime. For all we know, we might get a CM version of Captain America at some point due to certain What If stories giving certain characters Adaptational Villainy.
for Nova Prime.
Lies and Violence!
Yes to Nova Prime.
I've talked to you and mir about this, but I think Yon-Rogg from this episode also stands a shot, since he's the one who personally steals and delivers the shield codes. There are other guys like Saal in on the scheme, but they're just mooks who cover up Yondu's death, brutalize Nebula, and secure the building for Nova Prime—which are all bad, sure, but imo it's small potatoes compared to getting the codes that are the crux of the entire plan.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Nova Prime sounds like a very surprising . And I apologize I haven't coughed up Kordax's writeup yet, I've just been busy with schoolwork!
....Phenomenal
for Arzen, Kane, and Nova Prime.
Nova Prime
Current mood: sick of your shit
Great job on writeups and yes to Nova Prime.
What's the work?
Maggie Moore(s) is a charming little black comedy crime film starring Jon Hamm and Tina Fey. Buckland County Police Chief Jordan Sanders is hurting from the death of his wife as he starts seeing the (sort of) single Rita. A strange series of events involving the murders of two women, each named Maggie Moore masterminded (sort of) by one Maggie's husband. Film's largely comic but the hired hitman is played much straighter than the rest of it.
Who is Kosco? What has he done?
A hulking, seemingly deaf man with the annoying habit of playing his TV at full volume, he's contracted by Jay Moore through Tommy T., a pedophile Jay acquires black market porn for in return for cheap produce for his fast food joint when Jay's wife Maggie finds Tommy's porn in their house. The panicked Jay asks Kosco to scare his wife, Kosco taking the opportunity to murder and set her afire after telling Maggie Jay wants to see her suffer, claiming to Jay she resisted.
Jay soon discovers the existence of another Maggie Moore and cooks up a scheme to kill her and frame his own wife's death as being an accident by a criminal aiming to kill the other Maggie. Kosco happily takes a payment to kill the other woman as well and later another man Jay decides to set up to take the fall. After a tip leads Sanders to approach Kosco at his property he reveals he's very much not really deaf, lying to the officers to distract them and then opening fire on Sanders and his junior partner as soon as they turn their backs, killing the younger man.
Tracking Jay to his home in a fury, Kosco shoots him dead and notices Rita happening to have seen him from her neighboring home. Taking her hostage, he lies about letting her go if she drives him out of town, only for her to catch onto his lies and call him out, Kosco taking the moment to sadistically reveal he'll kill her to enjoy her terror. Fortunately, Rita's lack of car repairs have left her without a passenger seat airbag when she chooses to fight back and kill Kosco by purposefully crashing her car at high speed into a parked truck.
Heinousness?
Jay's an idiotic coward out of his depth and Tommy's made into a pathetic joke, with his pedophilia limited to acquiring gross illegal photos. The question's baseline in general and for a low key, comedic crime film I think the seven attempted kills, added nasty punch as he twists the knife for Jay's wife.
Mitigating factors?
None for the man himself, Kosco's a sadist who loves killing people in fear.
Verdict?
Lands.
Edited by 43110 on Jan 13th 2024 at 11:05:32 AM
for Kosco.
Arzen, Kane, Nova Prime, Kuzco
Ultimate Moral Compass
Nova Prime and Kosco
Yes to Cadaver, Murgrim the Cruel, Ego, Marius, Arzen, Kane, Nova Prime and Kuzco.
I will abstain on Richard.
- The Amazing Spider-Man and Captain America in Dr. Doom's Revenge!: Dr. Doom, the brilliant, yet twisted dictator of Latveria, is more fiendish than usual in this game. Dr. Doom steals a nuclear missile from an American military base in Europe and upgrades the nuclear missile so it cannot be stopped after it is launched. Dr. Doom contacts the US government and demands they give him control of the US or he will nuke New York City. Suspecting the US government will send superheroes to thwart his plans, Dr. Doom hires several supervillains to guard his Castle and the missile, promising them riches if they succeed in stopping the heroes and death if they fail him.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Caesar
Yes to Costco! And Nova Prime
Ok, just watched this one with Scrags, and after some chat we decided the villain deserves a new shake. Big thanks to him for working with me on it and letting me tackle the proposal:
What's the work?
A Nightmare on Elm Street, one of the biggest horror franchises of all time. Kicking off in the 80s with the first film, directed by master of horror Wes Craven, the film was a complete success and proceeded to kick off a string of sequels, goofier as they went and straying further from the original's dark tone. After years out of the director's chair of the franchise, Wes returned in 1994 to create...New Nightmare, an extremely, extremely meta take on the franchise that posits all previous Nightmare films as in-universe movies.
We follow actress Heather Langenkamp, who played the original film's final girl Nancy, as she lives a mostly peaceful life with her beloved husband Chase and 5 year old son Dylan. But as the family are approached with the prospect of making another Nightmare film, they find themselves pulled into a bad dream that's allllll too real.
What is the Entity? What has it done?
- Described as a creature "darker and more evil" than Freddy Krueger himself, the Entity is an ancient being of monstrous evil, having existed for countless years and taken on many forms as it indulged in its love for killing. The only way the Entity has ever been stopped for short periods is for its form to be trapped in a story so powerful as to contain its essence. One of such stories was Hansel and Gretel, the Entity having taken on the form of the Witch as it attempted to devour the young siblings.
- But every time a story would fall out of popularity, and reach a "conclusion"? The Entity would break free from its imprisonment and resume tormenting humankind, until another story came about to contain it once more.
- In the present? A Nightmare on Elm Street is that story, the Entity having been trapped inside the films in the form of Freddy Krueger by Wes Craven himself. For years the Entity was kept contained, but following Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare, the story arc of Krueger came to a close...and so the Entity is able to begin reaching out into our world once more, clawing its way into reality to resume its evil.
- Having enjoyed its "role" as Freddy so much as to maintain his form, the Entity begins terrorizing Heather and her young son Dylan over many nights, subjecting them both to horrific Mind Rape of terrors and fears. The Entity uses its growing power to lash out and horribly murder not only 2 members of the Nightmare crew, but also slice Heather's husband Chase from navel to neck, killing him and leaving Heather and Dylan grieving and more susceptible to the Entity.
- Even as Heather investigates the Entity, desperate to find a way to save herself and her son, the Entity is revealed to have haunted Freddy's actor Robert Englund in all his glory, driving the man to paint brutal portraits of the Entity slaughtering groups of people.
- As its torments of Dylan grow in such severity as to leave the boy in a coma, the Entity taunts Heather all the while, sneering to her at one point "I touched him!" as it lecherously licks her face. Even when the absolutely awesome friend of Heather, Julie, tries desperately to keep Dylan safe, the Entity finds a way to appear before then both, horribly mangling Julie and giving her a torturous death while forcing Dylan to watch, laughing all the while. "Ever played skin the cat?!"
- The Entity's ultimate goal is to butcher both Heather and Dylan at the height of their torment, finally breaking down the last barrier between the film world and reality so it can begin a full-fledged killing spree. It drags Heather and Dylan into a final, terrifying nightmare where it stalks and drags out their demises, culminating in the Entity copying some of its own mannerisms from its time as the Hansel and Gretel Witch to attempt to eat Dylan, gleefully proclaiming "I've got some gingerbread for you!"
- Luckily, though it takes all her willpower, Heather works with Dylan to overcome their fear of the Entity and shove it into a "furnace" much like the Witch once was, destroying it for good; all as it is revealed Wes Craven wrote the whole thing into a new "script" as a way to trap the Entity once again.
Mitigating features?
None. It is described by Wes as the ultimate evil, and Englund himself refers to it as something darker than Freddy. It knows exactly what it is and loves it, and its taking on the form of Freddy is explicitly said to be something it wants to do because it "has gotten used to" being Freddy and "likes our time and space", and so wants to stick around and terrorize the real world as Krueger.
And nothing to really worry about it being Made of Evil, it's simply treated as a demon that takes different forms—and indeed in a split second shot during its defeat, it takes on its true form of a devil-like creature—yet is never indicated to be stuck being evil. It likes evil.
Heinousness?
So, the film is more than meta enough to say that the Entity doesn't have to stack up to Krueger—they are explicitly fictional films in-universe, so the standard isn't affected.
Where the Entity has stumbled in the past is bodycount. Because, for a slasher it's pretty low with "only" 4 actual onscreen deaths—the crew members Chuck & Terry; Dylan's father Chase; and Heather's best friend Julie.
What pushes the Entity over, though? Is twofold: Not only is it explicitly proven to have existed for centuries and killed countless people over that time, with its role once being that of the Witch as proof of just how long it has roamed, and Englund's art showing the Entity tearing screaming bodies apart, but furthermore: what the Entity does to Dylan, a 5 year old, is beyond the pale. It mind rapes the kid for weeks in ways it very explicitly draws connections to molestation, kills his dad, butchers his surrogate aunt in front of him, shreds his beloved toy Rex, then tries to kill his mom and eat the screaming boy. All as a sadistic maneuver to kick off a new murder spree in the real world.
Between the full indications we get that the Entity has wrought death and destruction for centuries, plus the extremely sadistic ways it torments and tries to kill a young child...the lower successful bodycount can by forgiven, I'd say. Especially because the Entity is restrained in much of its power throughout the film, and is doing its damnedest with what it has.
Final Verdict?
I'd say keep. What say y'all?
Edited by Ravok on Jan 13th 2024 at 9:57:03 AM
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
With the historical pattern being taken into account I'm a very happy yes there!
for The Entity.
Damn... that is one scary Boogeyman.
to the Entity. How many evil entities do we have now. I know there's the one from Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated.
Yes to the Entity.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Remember Ruins, the infamous comicbook where the Marvel Universe falls into absolute grimdarkness?.
Well, the concept of a "World where everything goes wrong" became kinda popular in Latin America, leading to youtube videos having fun turning flawed but still optimistic worlds into hellscapes.
Mundo Chavez is a youtuber that makes that class of videos, and he decided to tackle one of the most discussed franchises both in the world and on this thread.
This 20 mins video is just Part 1 of a trilogy of videos detailing the worst possible scenario for the Dragon Ball multiverse, or at least one of its infinite timelines.
Already mentioned in other parts, our candidate is presented formally in Part 3, the longest part.
A familiar, but different face
Who is Majin Buu?
Like in canon, Buu is the masterpiece of Bibidi, Buu's creation was heresy itself, toying with unknown eldritch energies. Bibidi wrecked planets and earning the attention of the Kais for it.
But, in this timeline, Bibidi was more pragmatic and avoided facing the Kai directly. Instead, Bibidi decided to travel to other universes, secretly searching for the Super Dragon Balls to ask for a simple desire.
"Give me the power to create something able to destroy all the gods!"
The end result of this managed to turn Majin Buu into something even more dangerous than his canon self.
Killing Bibidi, Buu continued to wreck the universe, planet by planet, leaving "black voids" that even Freeza and King Cold feared. Eventually, Buu found the infamous dark wizard Moro and absorbed him, improving his own magical powers to new heights.
Buu then moves to the Realm of the Kais and proves that It Can Think. Buu absorbed the Kai and used Moro's (and the Galactic Prisioners) powers to fuse himself with the Kai's planet.
Something that Beerus and Whis learned in the hard way after they ate some fruits while searching for the missing Kais. Using a extremely deadly combination of Moro, 73, his own absortion powers and the amp given by Super Shenron, Buu shows himself as the ultimate predator able to absorb and devour the God of Destruction and his Guardian Angel.
The news cause terror across the gods of the 12 Universes. The Angels ran away in fear at the idea of a Anomaly able to kill them, making them feel existencial fear.
The Great Minister told Lord Zeno to destroy the Universes, attempting to sacrifice himself to stall Buu, failing to do it and getting absorbed. Then Buu proceeded to slaughted the remaining angels.
And Buu is sadistic with it. Buu enjoys being the first living creature able to cause the Angels to feel fear, but he goes the extra mile and takes the face of the Great Minister to cause confusion and even more fear in his children.
Zeno decides that this is enough and destroys everything, prefering to create new universes, maybe a wackier and funnier one without Eldritch Abomination created by the wishes of mortals.
It wasn't enough. Maybe when it was just the desire of Super Shenron it could have been enough, but after his rampage absorbing every possible source of power and using his magic to become a Anomaly.
It wasn't enough.
Buu has become a fallacy, something else. Something above the God of Everything. A dark miracle from a force above God.
Buu absorbs Zeno and in the ultimate void, he enjoys his victory. And then, using his newfound nigh omnipotency, Buu rebuilds the 12 Universes without gods, having a free range of worlds to destroy and devour for all eternity.
Buu wanders in space before noticing Frieza's ship and proceeding to slaughter his soldiers and destroying Earth.
A cursed meeting between Frieza, Cell and Buu happens. Buu brutally murders Frieza and leaves his corpse to Cell, who proceeds to absorb it with Buu's permision.
Buu would continue devouring all lifeforms again, the God of Hunger would anhilate all life until only King Cold is left alive, using his godly powers to torture him before assimilating him again.
Then Buu would simply re-create the cosmos again, this time with Gods included, just to repeat the same destruction over and over in a perfect cycle.
Heinous standard?
Its Dragon Ball. Admittedly, the competence is stacked, but Buu is a destroyer of universes that ultimately puts the entire 12 universes into a cycle of constant apocalypse, intending to continue with the eternal death for all eternity to saciate his hunger and boredom.
Mitigant traits?
When Buu was created, he was Kid Buu, pure unthinking destruction except for childish plays. But as he was absorbing more and more beings, Buu became able to think and decide.
He can think rationally, make plans, being actively sadistic in emotional ways and feel joy at his victories. Ultimately, he is like Fat Buu and Super Buu, having absorbed enough powerful sapients beings that he developed moral agency.
He is a Eldritch Abomination whose existance is considered a glitch in the creation, but nothing implies he lacks agency. He was created as a being who "can kill the gods", not to kill every single being and then recreate them to kill them again over and over.
The ending shows Buu having some respect for Cell, recognizing him as a fellow artificial predator and even feeding him with Frieza's corpse. This might be a (ultra twisted) Pet the Dog if the next scene didn't reveal how Buu would destroy the universe, killing all lifeforms (including Cell) as part of his twisted idea of entertainment
Does this have a real plot?
The videos collectively have over a 1 hour with 50 mins of duration. Its not just narrating concept, its a full blown fanfic detailing multiple POV in this doomed version of the DB universes.
From Bulma's doomed effort to find the Dragon Balls, Roshi blaming himself for his cowardice during Piccolo's conquest of the world, Raditz desesperate escape from Frieza's slavery and more. There is a lot of characterization here.
By the end, it turns into a full blown Cosmic Horror Story set in the Dragon Ball universe, where the idea of Always a Bigger Fish becomes central to Frieza's character arc, where the audience gets some catharsis by watching Frieza dying after his run as Villain Protagonist, getting humbled for all the pain that he caused to the Saiyans, which are inadvertedly a part of the how Buu managed to grow into a entity above the gods.
Verdict?
You decide
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 13th 2024 at 2:55:24 PM
Watch me destroying my country
Mr.
To Nova Prime, the Freddy Entity, and the being that puts the ‘Boo’ in ‘Majin Buu!’
Edited by GamerBoy18 on Jan 13th 2024 at 11:01:14 AM
Ok, time for TIO's new entry:
In case you have a feeling of deja vu, it's because I also wrote TIO's entry (not effortpost) when Echidna was temporarily suspended from the long-term forums. This is essentially the same but with more accurate information.
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Jan 13th 2024 at 5:35:22 AM
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