Is this an example?

I found this on The Flash (2023):

• Fandom Rivalry:
  • Between this and fans of The Flash (2014), due to being more-or-less competing versions of the title character, and a general extension of the DCEU vs Arrowverse rivalry. On the one hand, the CW series has been infamous among DC fans for its heavy Seasonal Rot, and is commonly derided by DCEU fans for the low production value and problems with the show. On the other hand, fans of the Arrowverse show generally dislike Ezra Miller's take on the title character due to them feeling like they're just copying what the CW already did with them and finding Miller to be an inferior imitation of Grant Gustin's take on the character, and its not helped by the fact the film is planned to follow a storyline they already covered.
  • Fans of the Flash comics are also largely against the film, for a litany of reasons. It's adapting a controversial story but is also making heavy changes and leaving out some of the more popular parts of it, which also happens to be the most frequently adapted story the character has gotten since it came out. It's also continuing the focus on the Barry Allen iteration of the character, probably the most Base-Breaking Character within the Flash fandom, even as the current comics have moved back onto following Wally West, who despite being generally more popular has been largely un-touched by adaptation. On the inverse, due to the Just Here for Godzilla aspect, some of the people excited for the film are uninterested in the comics and don't care about the Flash, being more interested in seeing the return of two different movie Batmen and the cinematic debut of the DCEU's Supergirl.
  • A massive one opened between this movie and fans of Batgirl, especially Batgirl (2011), after Warner Bros. Discovery made the unprecedented move to cancel the then-upcoming Batgirl film mere months before release — the film had been completed and was just about to enter pre-release promotion. The reason cited, including that early test screenings had been negative and that they were aiming to save costs, have led to fans who were excited for Batgirl's film debut to point out the ridiculousness of cancelling Batgirl but not The Flash, despite that film having much more work to be done, being much more costly, and all the many issues with Ezra Miller that are going to make promotion and release next to impossible. Conversely, defenders of The Flash have taken the claim that Batgirl sucked at face value, especially as test audiences are reportedly liking The Flash, as well as the fact Flash is just a much more expensive movie, and thus has already had more funding invested and would be a much bigger loss to cancel.

Can you have a fandom before the film comes out? The first one probably works better for the overall DCEU. The other two. I don't know they feel very like one sided excuse to complain. Especially the last one. Though again can there be a fandom rivalry when there is no film yet or fandom fir it. Thoughts? Am I overthinking it?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

I don't think the upcoming Flash movie has a fandom so much as the DCEU/Snyderverse has a rather devoted (and allegedly bot-fueled) fandom.

I really don't think entries that pit CW's Flash against DCEU Flash should be allowed as the movie hasn't come out yet.

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I'm pretty sure you can't have a Fandom Rivalry for something that hasn't come out. We don't know if fans will end up enjoying the actual film after all yet.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Okay in that case I removed them.

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Can the trope Right Way/Wrong Way Pair be used for a side with two or more people while the other side has less? Like in this example for the Big City Greens S 3 E 9 page?

Right Way/Wrong Way Pair: During the café karate scene, Tilly is the most vigilant student who quickly understands Gloria's moves and is able to do them perfectly, while Cricket and Remy think Gloria is just teaching them to make coffee and believe she secretly taught them the whole time without even knowing how it goes first.

Aladdin IV: Jafar May Need Glasses:

• Sliding Scale of Realistic vs. Fantastic: Falls on the Surreal end of the scale due to the bizarre premise alone.

Of course, this is just a joke page, but is this entirely the case? The events of the film are perfectly realistic.

Are sliding scales even allowed to be wicked like that???

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It's barely been an hour, an hour late at night here on the east coast, maybe cool it a bit?

Anyways, as written the example does not seem to fit Right Way/Wrong Way Pair, as that trope requires a contrasting of two people doing things correctly and incorrectly. The example says there is a good student and then there are other students who seem to be off in their own world.

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Would this be a suitable addition for LGBT Representation in Media?

• Super Mario Bros. 2: The game marks the debut of transgender character Birdo, who acts as a Recurring Boss in most levels. Her status is further attested in the game's instruction manual.

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Hmm, if she's a Recurring Boss I suppose it would push her into relevance. Her being trans isn't really explicit in a lot of Mario media though.

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For context, she's fought in 16 levels out of 20. And it's true that the subject on her LGBT status isn't brought up in many Mario media besides this one (if my count isn't off, the other games are the Japan-exclusive crossover Captain Rainbow and the Super Smash Bros. games), hence why I'm specifically suggesting this game for inclusion in the index.

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Repost from a few pages back here

Does these count as Idiot Ball? Master Fuzzy has been trying to call Harry Dresden this ever since their What An Idiot rant was removed in that dewicking. Initially it was put on the YMMV for Peace Talks before they shifted it to main page.

• Idiot Ball: Harry is confronted by the Wardens, who detect that he's just had sex. You'd expect for him to simply swear on his magic that he has never, and does not plan to ever, had sex with Lara. Instead, he acts defensive, refuses to give anything resembling a straight answer, and his mannerisms practically screams "I have something to hide."
  • Harry living with Maggie at the svartalves'. You'd think Harry would leave Maggie at the Carpenters—between Michael's angelic guardians, Molly's Sidhe, Mouse, an archangel-powered safe room, and Michael and Charity themselves, Ebenezar correctly notes the Carpenters' house is one of the safest places in the world. Unlike what happened in Changes, where she was with a normal foster family in the middle of Red Court territory. Additionally, while Harry is a single parent with a lot of duties on his plate, Michael, Charity, and their kids can provide a loving and stable home. Nor would it look odd for Harry to often visit the home of his old friends as much as every day, or to take their adoptive daughter out for trips once in a while. As Michael pointed out in the previous book, given what happened to the Red Court and Nicodemus, it's highly unlikely that most monsters would want to mess with Maggie even if they did know her relation to Harry.

The grammar isn't even changed from when it was in What An Idiot.

I forgot to add, while I don't recall the full exchange of the first example, for the second one I also recall Harry having those concerns in Cold Days and Michael argued that a child needs her true parent if that parent is kind and loving. And Michael used those words about what Harry might do if someone attacks his daughter as justification she would be safe in his charge from those threats.

A couple of years ago, I wrote up a Playing With page for Brick Joke (PlayingWith.Brick Joke). A couple of months ago, this was added under Exaggerated:

• Bob talks about his friend Charlie who lives in London and his distinctive appearance and greeting. Twenty-five sequels later, during Alice's fight in London with Mecha-Crown from Demon Faced Fighter, Charlie pops out of the window, complete with appearance and greeting, and offers Alice his rocket launcher, as well as some warm apple pie.

Thing is this seems more like a Call-Back than a Brick Joke. I don't think even the creators I mentioned under Enforced would plan that far ahead. Does anyone else think this is misuse?

I posted this same query on the Playing With cleanup thread a week ago, but it appears there's little to no activity there.

Are these actions out of character for Harry? I'm not that familiar with Idiot Ball, but the description says that the actions of the character are supposed to be not just stupid, but out of character as well.

Harry is a highly protective man, both about himself and his loved ones. He will hide information from even allies out of fear it could be used to hurt him. And his daughter was previously kidnapped by enemies years ago when he was ignorant about her even existing. He wiped out the whole enemy faction.

I wouldn't categorize him as out of character to want to keep his daughter close after he bonded with her. I wouldn't say it is out of character to hide things from the Wardens. Could he have acted smarter, maybe, but this isn't out of character.

I agree. (Sorry if that isn't important.)

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Does Traitor Shot count if the soon-to-be backstabber winks at the camera instead? EDIT: Just in case someone wants to refer to the character in question, he's male.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Aug 11th 2022 at 12:38:34 PM

That sounds like a perfect example.

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Does it count as Wham Shot when a character have a sudden change of appearance? Because I found one in Better Call Saul S6 E12: "Waterworks".

• Wham Shot:
  • The first set of scenes are dedicated to Kim, introducing her without her signature ponytail and blond hair for the first time in the entire series.

Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 11th 2022 at 2:44:31 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Whoops. I accidentally double posted. Ignore this.

Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 11th 2022 at 2:44:22 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

At best it's a zero context example, because a Wham Shot is supposed to the visual version of a Wham Line or Wham Episode. That is, it's supposed to radically change the story arc.

So if showing this character without a ponytail did change the complete story arc, that needs to be explained.

Of course if it didn't, then it's straight up misuse.

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(x4) Thanks. For the record, I believe I was asking because I associate that trope more with the character smiling.

From Bury Your Art:

• A suitcase containing short stories and part of Ernest Hemingway's first novel was stolen from his wife (who he later divorced) during a train to Switzerland. Years later, he said that was a good thing, because the loss motivated him to become a better writer.

Isn't this trope supposed to be about an artist specifically going out of their way to stop people from seeing their art? In this example, a work disappeared because it was stolen, and AFAIK it wasn't buried per se. What should I do here?

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Is a character mentioning Christmas in an otherwise not-Christian setting enough for Everyone Is Christian at Christmas?

It's not Christmas time. And on a very technical level it is a medieval fantasy setting (or at least as much as The Legend of Zelda (1989) can get) and by coincidence the franchise did get some Christian elements censored/changed in later years. The cross on Link's shield being one of them iirc, though that's intact in the show since it's 1989 and not really religiousy since it's a standard shield pattern.

And since it's coming from a pun/joke throwing hero, I'm not sure if it fits or doesn't fit.

Actual dialogue when he finds a ring:

Should I put this weird bit of dialogue under Everyone Is Christian at Christmas, Harsher in Hindsight in YMMV, or some other trope?

edit: "forcefully ring" -> "forcefield ring"

Edited by INever on Aug 11th 2022 at 6:06:45 AM

That does seem like a shoehorn, I'd cut it.

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That's not an example of anything. EICAC is for when we see explicitly non-christian characters somehow celebrating X-mas as if they are christian. Harsher in Hindsight is for when subsequent events render a gag not as funny.

That quote doesn't do either of those things.

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