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Jul 18th 2019 at 3:08:51 PM

[up]I think its a person who isn't the hero but is seen as much cooler and awesome then them that they die.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Jul 18th 2019 at 3:26:48 PM

Iron-Blooded Orphans has an Ensemble Cast, so there isn't one main character, though half the examples listed are major characters who are in every episode until their deaths.

Edited by Primis on Jul 18th 2019 at 3:28:06 AM

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Jul 18th 2019 at 5:12:14 PM

Preschool Show was recently launched, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is on there, but I'm not sure if it should be.

Sure, it's rated TV-Y, but it also features a lot of action and really dark themes you wouldn't see on the other shows on that index (especially in the later seasons). For instance, one episode had a Bad Future with Child Soldiers and one character getting an amputated wing. Another episode had a disease that slowly turns ponies into trees, leaving them unable to speak. And yet another had a horrifying scene where clones of the Mane Six are melted and absorbed into a tree.

EDIT: I should also mention that the movie got a PG rating, which I also wouldn't expect from a preschool show.

Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Jul 18th 2019 at 6:18:54 AM

Jul 18th 2019 at 5:16:10 PM

[up]I wouldn't call it a pre school show. There was at one point there was going to create a show with the CMC that were aimed for younger kids.

Gacha Is A Lie.
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Jul 18th 2019 at 5:41:50 PM

From The Mockbuster:

[up][up] Dark elements doesn't mean it can't be a preschool show. The Lion Guard is also pretty scary and is a Disney Junior show.

I've always viewed FIM as being for 3-10 year olds, so I'd pin it as a preschool show.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jul 18th 2019 at 6:03:48 AM

Jul 18th 2019 at 6:17:24 PM

[up]According to the YMMV page for RBUK, the idea came from a 2011 meme from before The LEGO Movie came out, so I doubt it.

Jul 18th 2019 at 7:35:13 PM

According to Wikipedia (citing Hasbro's website in 2015), FIM is targeted to 4-7 year olds. According to Preschool Show, "Most preschool shows have a target demographic of age 2-5 while shows for older children have a target demographic of age 6-11." 4-7 sits right between those two age ranges.

Children start attending school at 5, so most of the 4-7 range covers elementary schoolers. So based on that, I wouldn't put it as a preschool show.

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Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand
Jul 18th 2019 at 8:34:53 PM

Does Pre-Mortem One-Liner include non-fatal examples?

I ask, because I want to add this to Image Links.

Of course, if there's a better trope for it, it can go there instead.

Mr. Worf, prepare a high-yield torpedo, and write on it: don't fu*k with the Sisko.
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Jul 19th 2019 at 12:46:41 AM

[up][up] 4 year olds are preschoolers, so it is both a preschool show and an older kids show. Several of the shows under Preschool Show have a Multiple Demographic Appeal; even the older MLP shows weren't strictly for preschoolers.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jul 19th 2019 at 1:58:06 AM

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Jul 19th 2019 at 1:00:52 AM

[up][up] That's Pre Ass Kicking One Liner.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jul 19th 2019 at 4:01:59 AM

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Jul 19th 2019 at 2:02:10 AM

Repeating from last page:

This was deleted from Ambiguous Gender Identity along with a few other examples:

  • Alluka is referred to as a girl by Killua and dresses like a shrine maiden. The rest of her family (who, tellingly, don't treat her as a full person the way Killua does) refers to her as male and in a flashback it's shown she wore more androgynous clothes as a little kid, but she also uses the feminine personal pronoun "atashi" suggesting she identifies as female.

I still think it's valid because it's (technically) ambiguous whether she's trans or cis, not whether she's female or not.

Likewise with this:

  • A few The Simpsons characters has featured one-off jokes here and there about transgenderism, such as a character referencing a time when Helen Lovejoy was "Harold Schwartzbaum."

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jul 19th 2019 at 7:31:44 AM

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Jul 19th 2019 at 8:30:40 AM

From YMMV.Stuber:

  • Took the Bad Film Seriously: Nanjiani and Bautista spent a lot of time building a real-life friendship, from driving together in a little car, to Bautista inviting Nanjiani to watch his last wrestling match in person. Even some of the negative reviews, and the Rotten Tomatoes consensus, ended up admitting that their chemistry felt strong enough for the duo to deserve a funnier script.

If RT gave this movie a Fresh Audience Score, does its YMMV page still deserve a Took the Bad Film Seriously entry? It doesn't help that I haven't seen the movie myself yet (though I will before the year ends).

Jul 19th 2019 at 8:46:51 AM

  • Old habits die hard seems to be the moral of Mr. Mischief's story, given that the story ends with him going back to his old ways after a wizard teaches him a lesson.

I recently added this as an example of a Family-Unfriendly Aesop to the Mr. Men page, do you know if it counts or not?

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Jul 19th 2019 at 11:23:24 AM

This entry on KilledOffForReal.Video Games seems to be obsolete after the Breath of the Wild sequel teaser showed what appeared to be Ganondorf's mummified body reawakening. Should I mention that, or remove the entry altogether?

  • Assuming that whenever Ganondorf is reincarnated, he remains the exact same person instead of a new Ganon: In The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Ganon gives up on reincarnation to immediately resurrect in a powerful (but slow) form of pure malice. Thus, when Zelda disintegrates him with her magic, he is gone for good this time. Which is fitting considering how big this particular game is. (Some may argue he was sealed away, but the final memory shows her divine power is more powerful than sealing magic since she kills Guardians with it, plus there are various other hints including the title of the "Destroy Ganon" quest)

really not feelin up to it right now. sorry.
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Jul 19th 2019 at 11:25:22 AM

I'd remove it. If he's back for the sequel, he's not Killed Off for Real, by definition.

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Jul 19th 2019 at 12:52:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]I've long felt that there's a problem with Took the Bad Film Seriously in this regard in general.

Jul 19th 2019 at 4:22:57 PM

[up][up][up] - Japanese and English are different. I know there's a few Lost in Translation on its pages.

Or should be, if I actually remembered to add them.

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Jul 19th 2019 at 9:25:55 PM

From WesternAnimation.Steven Universe The Movie:

  • Dude, Where's My Reward?: At the end of "Change Your Mind", the Diamonds finally turn over a new leaf, end their fight with the Crystal Gems, and help heal the Corrupted Gems, bringing peace to everyone. In the trailer Steven comes back to Beach City after helping to dissolve the Empire, believing he's finally done with heroism and can now relax. Then the Heart Gem invades and plants a device capable of sucking the life out of everything on Earth, leaving Steven and the Crystal Gems to fight her off and stop the injector before Earth dies.
    Steven: I want my happily ever after back!

Troper Professor Grimm added this first as Happy Ending Override. I deleted it as shoehorning. Happy Ending Override is when "The world is not only substantially worse off than it was when we last saw it, much of the time it's worse off than it was when the story began." This entry describes the world being in danger, but that's not the same as it becoming a Crapsack World.

It looks just as shoehorn-y the second time around. It says nothing about being denied an expected reward or credit.

Edited by HighCrate on Jul 19th 2019 at 9:26:46 AM

Jul 20th 2019 at 1:20:30 AM

Would this be a reference to The Matrix?

  • Kim Possible at one point has Kim fighting her grandmother Nana with bo sticks, similar to Neo and Morpheus' kung fu training program, and also taking place inside a dojo to boot.

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Jul 20th 2019 at 2:21:52 AM

Can Fan Works be under Autism in Media or is it only for official media?

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it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Jul 20th 2019 at 5:39:46 AM

I see no reason why it should exclude fan works.


A requirement for Anti-Frustration Features is that the feature breaks an established rule or pattern, right? Because Final Fantasy XIV has a long-ass list of examples, most of which do not meet that requirement.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 20th 2019 at 5:39:58 AM

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Jul 20th 2019 at 5:47:30 AM

[up][up][up][up] I agree that it doesn't fit, a new villain appearing after the previous ones are defeated isn't what Dude, Where's My Reward? is about.

Jul 20th 2019 at 8:57:01 AM

From Series.Parks And Recreation.

Broken Aesop: In season seven, the ongoing conflict between Leslie and Gryzzl over who should receive the Newport land is finally resolved when Leslie proposes a compromise: Gryzzl can build their campus in one of Pawnee’s less prosperous (and therefore cheaper) neighborhoods, and in turn the new development will "revitalize" the neighborhood and make it a trendy part of town. The decision is presented as a win for everyone, but it’s hard not to notice that this is the same rhetoric used in Real Life by large corporations in the process of gentrifying poor neighborhoods and pushing out populations who can’t afford the rising cost of living. Viewed in that light, the episode looks less like a feel-good resolution and more like the tale of a government bureaucrat cutting a backroom deal with a private corporation, with little concern for the lives they disrupt in the process. The episode tries to avoid this implication by presenting the neighborhood as a literal Abandoned Warehouse District, but given how small Pawnee was presented as until that episode, it's rather silly.

I found it in YMMV page and wanted to make sure it fits before moving to the main page.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jul 20th 2019 at 11:59:32 AM

Gacha Is A Lie.
Jul 20th 2019 at 1:03:22 PM

Characters.Strong Female Protagonist:

Jerkass Has a Point is a Jerkass subtrope, so the former shouldn't appear right after the latter, like it does for Furnace?

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Jul 20th 2019 at 1:34:33 PM

When does something qualify as Queer Media? If a series has multiple protagonists and one is gay, can it count?


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