Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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Common problems include:
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Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
What citations do the Fermi Paradox and "human nature" examples have on In Your Nature to Destroy Yourselves? I don't see any, and if they're super fringe doomer theories we shouldn't be giving them a platform.
I found this example in the Truth in Television page:
- Humiliation Conga: A criminal once tried to trick someone into sending him an Apple PowerBook G4 he bought at eBay. He ended up receiving a binder with keys glued on the inside covers. Read the full story here!
I thought that trope is NRLEP? Bonus points for violating Weblinks Are Not Examples.
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The Truth in Television page is a hot mess of weblinks, ROCEJ violations, and ZCE's of the "this is very common" variety. It probably needs a short-term cleanup thread.
- The Fermi Paradox example:
This is a popular explanation of the Fermi Paradox[..] There's a whole list of theories on the Fermi Paradox's Wikipedia page.
per said page: the section under "It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself", which also has its own page
- The Freud example:
- The Medea hypothesis example
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Please tone down the rhetoric. Examples can be individually reviewed without making assumptions about the people who wrote them.
Someone already made one here that hasn't been used in a while.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 1st 2023 at 5:34:46 AM
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I saw this under Good vs. Good:
- This trope can be applied in real life to every conflict involving two groups of which none is explicitly evil: political parties, sports teams, etc.
Am I okay with just deleting this or does this have to be considered for the crowner?
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Filthy casual
It probably should be added to the crowner as a morality trope. I think you can delete the current example in the meantime as it violates Examples Are Not General.
(Annoyed grunt)
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I mean, I feel like we could just delete the example and then hold off on a crowner unless more gets added. It doesn't seem like a serious problem child right now.
That said, it is a morality trope so I do think that there'd be nothing wrong with adding it to the crowner.
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celibate eccentric genius is listed as no real life examples and yet for some reason it has a section. Permission to remove it?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I checked and the Real Life folder on Good Versus Good (which only had one example, which was mentioned yesterday) was removed for being a general example, so we don't need to do anything unless bigger problems come up in the future.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 4th 2023 at 9:06:24 AM
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Yeah we can just leave it at that. I was the one who removed it, btw.
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Should we add Amazingly Embarrassing Parents to the crowner? It seems like it’s too common, pretty much every child will see their parents as this at some point in their lives, and gossip.
- It's all relative: Billy Joel once stated that the only thing he had to do to get his teen-aged kids to behave in public was to threaten to start singing.
- A Dave Barry column quoted Billy Joel, then went on to show how Barry trumped all of them. Being a humor columnist, he managed to show up to pick his son up from school once in the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile. There's a picture in the book. It is, if anything, more ridiculous than it sounds. Read more here. According to him, embarrassment is the ultimate weapon for parents. He even suggests using it as legal punishment:
Judge: Young man, this is your third offense. I'm afraid I'm going to have to give you the maximum sentence.
Youthful Defendant: No! Not...
Judge: Yes. I'm going to ask your mom to get up here on the court karaoke machine and sing "Copacabana".
Youthful Defendant: NO! SEND ME TO PRISON! PLEASE!! - Neil Gaiman once described it in his own philosophical way: "The trouble with parents, and this is speaking as a parent, is that by our very nature we embarrass our children... You could be King, you could be President, and your own children will still say, 'Oh my God, Dad, just stop singing. We're in public. It's so embarrassing. And put that down...'"
- Kōyō Ozaki's father was a male Geisha. He was so embarrassed by his father's profession that he refused to talk about him to his friends.
- On his elder son's 13th birthday, Jeff Tweedy of Wilco brought the kid up on stage at Madison Square Garden and got the crowd to sing "Happy Birthday" to him, sending him off stage afterwards with "It's all downhill from here, kid."
- Astronaut Scott Parazynski did a Darth Vader impression and told his son "Luke, I Am Your Father"... from orbit. The fact that his son was actually named Luke raises the possibility that he was planning this for a very long time.
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth, daughter of Theodore Roosevelt, who was notorious for her antics (keeping a snake named Emily Spinachnote , doing handstands at state dinners, putting a tack on a gentleman's seat, riding in cars with men at a time when this was seen as scandalous, placing bets with bookies at the White House, using an officer's sword to cut her wedding cake because the knife was too dull...) probably was this for her daughter Paulina. It didn't end happily; Paulina became depressed and an alcoholic.
- This family whose elder members have fallen for a doomsday prophet but the kids aren't buying it.
- Dressing up in costumes to wave at the school bus every day, for the win.
- This is a major theme in the blog STFU Parents, which documents real-life incidents of parents sharing too much information about their kids over Facebook. Even though a good portion of the kids are too young to see said posts, you can't help but feel sorry for some of them. Considering that on the internet no information ever dies, you can't help but wonder if in a decade or so scouring Facebook for embarrassing childhood stories will become a standard bullying tactic.
- In her autobiography Fierce, Kelly Osbourne speaks of being embarrassed by her father on numerous occasions as part of her experiences growing up. In one notable case, Ozzy wasn't terribly amused when he found out his wife Sharon had bought then-teenaged Kelly thong underwear as a present, and then proceeded to cut up the thong—in front of her friends.
- More recently, it's Kelly's mom Sharon that seems to be distressing the young star, as Kelly has expressed embarrassment at her mother's willingness to overshare on The Talk.
- And then there's the time Sharon had backup while they were on television. It might not have been too painful if the backup hadn't been Marilyn Manson. On the bright side, he managed to embarrass Sharon, and the three of them embarrassed Ozzy and Jack, too.
- Actor/comedian Ray Romano often lampshades his status as this in his comedy routines and used to do so on Everybody Loves Raymond as well (though on the show he usually makes more fun of his own Amazingly Embarrassing Parents). In one memorable real-life incident, Ray won the award for best comedy lead at the People Choice Awards in 2006, during ELR's final season, and invited his then-teenaged sons onto the stage. Being that they were teenagers, they were ultra-embarrassed and refused. Ray being a comedian, he then decided to substitute them by bringing Angus T. Jones of the then-new Two and a Half Men on stage instead, resulting in hilarity for everyone involved. It's definitely worth watching, check it out on here.
- Renzo Bossi, son of the Italian politician Umberto Bossi, is universally known as The Trout (Il Trota in Italian) thanks to his father. In Italy the heir or designed successor of someone is often called "dolphin", from the Dauphin of France (the heir to the French throne during the monarchy, translated in Italian as 'Delfino di Francia', meaning literally 'Dolphin of France;'note ). After the third time Renzo failed school, a television journalist snidely asked Bossi if Renzo was really his dolphin, prompting Bossi to reply: "That idiot there? At best he's a trout!".
- The mother of the Woodhouse brothers, two political pundits with opposing viewpoints, called them in the middle of a show to chide them for their constant bickering.
- In an interview, US President Barack Obama stated that he and his wife Michelle had decided to weaponize this trope.
- They promised their daughters Sasha and Malia that if either of them ever got a tattoo, both parents would get the exact same tattoo, in the exact same place on their bodies, and would show it off at every opportunity, calling it a "family tattoo". By all accounts, the threat worked perfectly.
- Then there was the time he semi-jokingly threatened The Jonas Brothers with a drone strike.
- In 2016 Sasha and Malia were nowhere to be seen during President Obama's final turkey pardon because they'd become too embarrassed by the seemingly endless stream of dad jokes he'd make during the event. Instead, he was joined by two nephews.
- John Dickens, father of Charles Dickens tragically so. He was notoriously financially irresponsible throughout his life and at one point while Charles was still a child, John was sent to debtor's prison and Charles had to drop out of school and go to work at a factory to help get his father out of debt. It got worse when Charles became a famous author, and John would send letters to his son's friends and associates begging for money.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 6th 2023 at 9:17:40 AM
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it should be kept to anecdotes and IRL stories like the Billy Joel and Dave Barry examples; more than a few seem like one-off dad jokes unless we have proof the kid reacted with mortification. i could probably find the Wilco one somewhere
im uncomfortable with "gossip" being used for things outright stated by the persons themselves
also, am i okay to restore examples on Sexy Sax Man? im not going to fight tooth and nail for it but the examples were not discussed in thread contrary to the 'thread agreed it was gushing' removal reason
edit: restored by a mod, ty
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 7th 2023 at 11:24:28 AM
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The ones that are just links can go, and the Neil Gaiman one can probably be moved to the Quotes page. I guess the others are fine?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling all in favor of NRLEP:
Edit: Since it was pointed out in the holler that requested mod input that this crowner is small, I left it open so more entries can be added. I marked the ones that were called in this post with the (CLOSED) tag (which we mostly used before we started doing these in batches).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 9th 2023 at 1:02:35 PM
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So, is there any reason we still have the reason sandboxes up? Is the merge not done yet?
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Tear Off Your Face is another Anatomy Agony trope, many of which we have had removed due to being inherently gross. The examples that are listed are quite Squicky. Should we remove this? Thank you!
We can get rid of that. That trope makes me uncomfortable.
He/Him
Your Head Asplode displays Truth in Television explanation, so I think it's fine to keep.
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I agree with that actually
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Dec 12th 2023 at 9:24:52 PM
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Plakis Morakis
TBH I don't really think the examples for Tear Off Your Face are much of a problem, outside of some of them probably being general. The descriptions aren't particularly detailed or anything.
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I nominate the Old Maid trope to be NRLEP.
I’m saying this because it has the potential to invite gossip. It’s also a sexist trope because how come it’s frowned upon for women to never have boyfriends nor husbands but the same doesn’t go for inexperienced men? It can also fall under the Double Standard page as well.
The trope having real life examples is basically inviting potential flame bait.
Edited by MsCC22 on Dec 12th 2023 at 5:22:46 AM
at the risk of sounding like a chud, marking to cut IRL from tropes simply because it makes us uncomfortable should not be grounds for removal
that said: some of those examples are general so i will start purging in a moment
^ also, i believe the thread has consensus that "may cause gossip" is not a good reason in itself to NLREP
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 12th 2023 at 10:16:21 AM
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Well the trope is sexist and that’s an even better reason for it to not have examples.
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it being potentially redundant with Sexophone is also a thing; the "Bill Clinton is a sexy sax player" thing was a joke
that said the "Epic Sax Guy" example was a big thing a while ago. ahhh, old memes.
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