edited 7th Nov '17 9:59:04 AM by Fighteer
edited 7th Oct '12 11:16:42 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
- John Leslie Stevenson (AKA Jack the Ripper) from Time After Time starts by killing a prostitute in the first ten minutes of the film. After escaping the police by traveling to the future, he continues his killing spree and blackmails H.G. Wells (who followed Stevenson to 1979) by threatening to kill the woman Wells fell in love with, if he doesn't give Stevenson the key that will prevent the time machine from returning to its time of departure and thus allowing Wells to continue following him. When Wells gives Stevenson the key, he continues to hold the women Wells fell in love with hostage anyway. Stevenson's motivation for becoming the Ripper is a philosophy that violence is the natural order of things and that you might as well embrace it. Stevenson's Fate Worse Than Death comes across as well-deserved.
edited 8th Oct '12 10:47:42 AM by Krystoff
edited 8th Oct '12 11:02:38 AM by EarlOfSandvich
edited 8th Oct '12 2:17:35 PM by DrPsyche
- Dr. Saleon, a salarian geneticist who ran a black market organ operation. He would make his profit by growing organs inside his employees, all of whom were poor and desperate. If the organ turned out good, he would remove it and give the employee a cut of his profits. If the organ went bad though, he’d just leave it in the employee’s body to rot. When he was found out, he escaped by taking his employees hostage. After a long period in hiding, he’s encountered on his ship where he’s been experimenting on people, having turned his subjects into monstrous abominations. If Shepard manages to convince Garrus to show mercy and arrest Saleon instead of killing him, the doctor will respond by trying to kill them.
- Nassana Dantius, while clearly not a good person in the first game, having manipulated Shepard into killing her slaver sister, Dahlia, to prevent Dahlia from blackmailing her, it’s not until the second game that Nassana jumps off the slippery slope. In Mass Effect 2, she has employees who fail in fulfilling their contracts killed, and, when her employees are too slow in evacuating her offices while an assassin is after her, she has her mechs and mercenaries gun them down en masse.
- Henry Lawson, an egomaniacal Corrupt Corporate Executive obsessed with having a dynasty. To that end he creates Designer Babies based off of his DNA. Viewing them only as tools, he controls them their entire lives, molding them to meet his expectations, such as Miranda. Should any of them be subpar, he kills them. When he appears in Mass Effect 3, he’s working with the Illusive Man in using a refugee camp, Sanctuary, as a front for gathering test subjects to study Reaper Indoctrination. Thousands of civilians are experimented on, including children, and are either killed or turned into husks. Unlike the rest of Cerberus, who are trying to help humanity, Lawson is only committing atrocities to save his own life and have future generations idolize him. He’s not even Indoctrinated like the rest, having found a way to overcome and control its effects. When he’s cornered by Shepard, Henry uses his younger daughter, Orianna, as a Human Shield, and, depending upon the player’s actions, he can end up killing either Orianna or Miranda.
edited 8th Oct '12 9:22:06 PM by OccasionalExister
- Ace Attorney: Hawthorne, Gavin, Engarde and Alba all look like keepers, albeit still needing a rewrite
- Artix Entertainment: On one of your posts, only one keeper in Krellenos, and in need of a wicked good rewrite.
- Breath of Fire: Seems like only two entries qualify, as you also brought up.
- Disgaea: Doesn't look like we'll keep the subpage.
- The Elder Scrolls: Been addressed, fixed and locked.
- Fallout: I did raise a few concerns, of which that for Vulpes has been addressed and we can keep as-is. We can revise Myron to make it that he bragged about killing a hundred slaves with heart conditions in the drug, rather than the mention of killings alone as if we see it. For Salt-Upon-Wounds', his monstrosity does depend on backstory, albeit his people still being fierce and him visibly intending to massacre the Sorrows when you aid in their escape. I wouldn't gripe if he gets cut though.
- Jak and Daxter: I heard from Occasional Exister that Praxis should not have been cited as Well-Intentioned Extremist anywhere (let alone a character page), and that the rest of the entries wouldn't qualify.
- Kirby: It appears we're only keeping the Nightmare from Kirby of the Stars, but even so to the Anime and Manga section (on this page of course)
- League of Legends: Cutlisted for almost a week at this point
- Mario: Only two entries from the Paper Mario series qualify; entries already placed in the sandbox. Possible cutlist in order (from 141 onwards)
- Mass Effect: Mentioned on this page
- Myst: I've given my thoughts here
- Pokémon: Merged, narrowed and locked, though it still has room for revision.
edited 9th Oct '12 9:23:10 AM by EarlOfSandvich
edited 9th Oct '12 9:50:23 AM by Camberf
edited 9th Oct '12 2:48:39 PM by OccasionalExister
edited 9th Oct '12 5:01:36 PM by xie323
edited 10th Oct '12 9:30:36 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
edited 9th Oct '12 6:21:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
edited 9th Oct '12 7:17:22 PM by SophiaLonesoul
edited 9th Oct '12 7:12:12 PM by nrjxll
- Kills an alien for daring to sleep with a human. He goes out of his way to do that too.
- Shoots a child as a diversion. The child lives, but only because the heroes let Leng go to save the kid's life.
- Kills one of the heroes while trying to kill someone else.
- Can kill another one of the heroes, this time because he was specifically ordered to do so.
- Frequently mocks the main character for his/her failures.
- He apparently gets a love interest in Deception and gets pissed off when she gets killed.
- He is genuinely loyal to his master.
- The organization he belongs to consists mostly of Well Intentioned Extremists. It's never really made clear as to whether Leng is one himself though.
edited 9th Oct '12 10:06:30 PM by lrrose
edited 9th Oct '12 10:26:31 PM by OccasionalExister
- It says something about Gregor that things which would and should normally make someone a Complete Monster are among some of his lesser, often forgotten crimes. Take a small bit from A Clash of Kings where each day, for ten days, Gregor picks one person from a group of villagers and has his Torture Technician, "the Tickler", question that person over and over, until they die from the torture. One of the villagers, a mother, volunteers to be taken if they will spare her daughter. The next day, he has the daughter questioned too, to make sure the mother didn't leave anything out."
edited 9th Oct '12 10:48:57 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar