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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4826: Jan 25th 2018 at 3:54:03 PM

Are the following examples from Call Me by Your Name being used correctly?:

  • He Really Can Act: After a series of projects for Armie Hammer that were disappointing commercially or critically, or went nowhere in the awards circuit, the film has garnered him massive critical praise and attention.
  • Narm: Several scenes (including the most infamous one) and lines (such as "apricock" and saying that the heart and soul meet in the asshole) come off as unintentionally hilarious rather than betraying the depths of First Love passion as intended. Though many can easily be considered Narm Charm as well.
  • Overshadowed by Controversy: While the film has garnered universal acclaim in the festival circuit, it's also been the target of a number of accusations of pedophilia (not helped by Elio being described as an adolescent in some promotional materials despite have reached the age of consent). The two male leads were 20 and 29 while filming, portraying characters that were 17 and 25, so in neither case is there any actual pedophilia going on, not to mention that pedophiles are attracted to children, not people in their late teens, and that in Italy, as mentioned, 17 is above the age of consent. All of that being said, Hammer looks like a grown man, while Chalamet looks like a boy. If the plot had Hammer as Chalamet's teacher instead of a grad student, not only would both actors look believable in those roles, but it suddenly would get a ton more squicky.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4827: Jan 25th 2018 at 6:57:07 PM

[up]

SugarWiki.He Really Can Act is specifically about a Comedic actor in their first serious role doing well. The example as written makes no mention of the previous work being comedic (and his page lists several works that I am pretty sure aren't comedic roles), and instead focuses on factors that are irrelevant. Not an example.

Narm looks OK.

Overshadowed by Controversy is a bit long and rambling. It fails to adequately make a case that the accusations have actually had a significant effect on how people are likely to perceive the work. As written, not a valid example but it is possible that it could be rewritten to work.

HeatEdgeSword Since: Dec, 2017
#4828: Jan 25th 2018 at 8:29:18 PM

So, does a Pokemon being banned to Ubers from Smogon counts as Kicked Upstairs?

edited 26th Jan '18 5:04:07 PM by HeatEdgeSword

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4829: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:57:05 PM

Are the following examples from DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.Film being used correctly?:

  • In a very similar manner to Kick-Ass 2, several had this reaction to Kingsman: The Golden Circle. Many of the characters that the viewer had grown attached to in the first movie such as Roxy, are unceremoniously killed off at the beginning. The main villain, Poppy, is also far less interesting and fleshed out than the previous film's, and whose acts of evil are also far more sickening (such as grinding people in meat grinders and introducing the world to drug that causes there eyes and head to gorily explode). At the same time, the film also paints those who want to take down the drug dealers in an even more negative light, with the US president willing to let millions die just to say he won the drug war. The one sympathetic villain, Whiskey, who has a legitimate reason for opposing drug dealing and is considered an Ensemble Dark Horse by many viewers, ends up getting the most gruesome death. Perhaps because of all this, reviewers have, like for the aforementioned Kick-Ass 2, described the film as rather "unpleasant" and not as fun as the first film.

  • There's hardly a single likable character in Shark Tale, what with Oscar as the Designated Hero, Sykes hiring his goons to execute Oscar for said character's dumb decision to bet on a seahorse race, Lola hiring the sharks to kidnap Angie, the sharks eating (or at least attempting to eat) the fish in general, and everyone in the whole film being quite moronic to say the least. Not to mention the Family-Unfriendly Aesop in the film in general. You'd be hard press to find anyone who's watched the film to name a character they actually like.

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#4830: Jan 26th 2018 at 5:58:33 AM

No specific example, but can Bait-and-Switch be Played for Drama?

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#4831: Jan 26th 2018 at 6:17:25 AM

I don't see why not, but it would function as a kind of subversion in that you normally expect such a trope to be used comedically.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#4832: Jan 26th 2018 at 9:05:43 AM

Could I get feedback on this, please, so that I may finalize the entry transplantation (if there's any left)?


@Memers: I don't necessarily agree with all of your assessments/conclusions on Hand Blast, but I do agree that it seems to need to put through the TRS to make sense of what it's supposed to be.

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Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4833: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:35:42 PM

Re : Smogon / Ubers.... That would be a massive shoehorn.

AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#4834: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:16:46 PM

  • "100 Years" featuring John Malkovich and directed by Robert Rodriguez is in the process of setting the all-time record for this trope. Sponsored by the company that makes Louis XIII cognac (which takes 100 years to age), the movie and a freshly-made bottle have been locked in a vault — and won't be released until November of 2115, long after everyone involved has passed on. One thousand people have been given tickets to the world premiere, to hand down to their descendants.

That example from The Shelf of Movie Languishment does NOT exist at all.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4835: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:23:20 PM

[up] IMDB disagrees with you as to the existence of that movie : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5174640/

SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
#4836: Jan 27th 2018 at 11:54:48 AM

I wonder whether the following example in Alternate Company Equivalent is a shoehorn? It's the first time I ever saw Shonen Jump and Manga Time Kirara appearing on the same sentence, and the logic seems strained to me.

  • If there's [an Anthology Comic] with hundreds of well known series with just as many anime adptations on the horizon, you're sure to find publishers have their own champion. This is a few of them:

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4837: Jan 27th 2018 at 3:01:44 PM

Characters.Recettear An Item Shops Tale:

* Ambiguously Gay: The only real time she shows anything related to romantic feelings is towards Tear. Specifically, she's convinced that Griff has a massive crush on Tear, and Recette, rather than being Shipper on Deck, doesn't want Griff and Tear to become a thing.

That's wrong, right? It's Ho Yay, not Ambiguously Gay?

Main.Ambiguously Gay: "they display many traits associated with gay and lesbian people, but the G- and L-words are avoided entirely in-fiction."

Laconic.Ambiguously Gay: "A character demonstrates stereotypes associated with gays or lesbians, but their sexual orientation remains unconfirmed. "

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#4838: Jan 27th 2018 at 3:23:23 PM

Yeah, Ho Yay would be the thing to use.

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ChaoticQueen Since: Mar, 2011
#4839: Jan 27th 2018 at 8:17:47 PM

In The Incredibles, Edna Mode is a fashion designer who used to make costumes for super heroes, but since then has had to retire and now designs clothing for runway models. At one point, she says this:

Super models, nothing super about them, stupid spoiled little stick figures with poofy lips who think only of themselves. Feh! I used to design for gods!

Would this fit better under Badass Boast or Blasphemous Boast?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#4840: Jan 27th 2018 at 8:59:48 PM

Doesn't really sound like either, being honest.

Could be Blasphemous Praise

edited 27th Jan '18 9:03:13 PM by sgamer82

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#4841: Jan 28th 2018 at 7:08:22 AM

I'm not sure if this is an example of a Defied Trope or if it just isn't an example. The trope requires a character or actor to act as the creator's mouthpiece, but in this case it's a documentary and about the creator herself. This is for Film.The Red Pill.

My revision:

  • Writer on Board: Word of God explains that Cassie Jaye went to great lengths to avoid this, in part because she started making the film as a feminist and the research she did throughout the filming process convinced her to stop being a feminist, which itself altered the final product.

Original version (was on the YMMV/ tab):

  • Writer on Board: Averted. Cassie Jaye went to great lengths to avoid this, in part because she started making the film as a feminist and the research she did throughout convinced her to stop being a feminist, which altered the final product.

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#4842: Jan 28th 2018 at 1:44:18 PM

Is this a good example of Trailer Joke Decay? (From Steven Universe S5E11 "Lars of the Stars")

  • The revelation of Lars and the Off Colors' new life was shown in a Comiccon sneak peek long ago, so the episode's biggest punchline was already known, and watched about a hundred times as it was the only new SU material for quite some time. As such, when the episode gets here, the only part that fans hadn't practically memorized word for word was mostly about how Lars feels about Sadie having moved on with life, and what would have been among the most epic episodes in show history turned out to be seen as a disappointment by many.

The Off Colors' Space Pirate shenanigans and Lars' BSOD fit about Sadie aren't the only things about the episode, and fan reception was actually very positive. I'm not sure the trailer fits the trope anyway, as it was never officially released outside of SDCC and the only footage of it was taken from a camera.

...In fact, the way this is written kinda sounds like one disappointed fan tried to spin their opinion to make it sound like the opinion of multiple people.

edited 28th Jan '18 1:45:44 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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HeatEdgeSword Since: Dec, 2017
#4843: Jan 28th 2018 at 10:05:11 PM

@SamCurt: Those don't fit Alternate Company Equivalent. They don't explain any similarities beyond just having many anime adaptations, which feels like some minor thing to compare.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4844: Jan 29th 2018 at 6:24:45 AM

So it's been about 3 days, any chance I could get some kind of response to the example I brought here[up]x15

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#4845: Jan 29th 2018 at 2:11:40 PM

I pulled this from Jessica Jones (2015). Just to double check,

Isn't Faux Symbolism about symbolic imagery that doesn't related to the theme of the story? Per the example, Kilgrave being a figurative personification of rape is not in conflict with, and in fact adds to, the themes of the story, so doesn't that make it not an example?

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4846: Jan 29th 2018 at 2:25:08 PM

Character Title:

All the examples seem to belong to one of its subtropes, other than any subversions... So can I move them, or delete them, in the case of Protagonist Title since that had an Examplesectionectomy?


Repost from 4815:

Can I move all the Alliterative Trope Names of Added Alliterative Appeal to Alliterative Name, a subtrope of the former?

edited 29th Jan '18 2:25:47 PM by Malady

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#4847: Jan 29th 2018 at 2:25:17 PM

So any thoughts on [up][up][up][up][up]?

edited 29th Jan '18 2:25:40 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#4848: Jan 29th 2018 at 3:02:51 PM

I'm not sure if this is the right place or not, but I want to ask this. Are characters exclusive to an Alternate Continuity are Canon Foreigners or does the former precludes the latter? I ask this question because of the Yu Gi Oh media after DM, which tends to have the former trope in play between the anime and manga.

edited 29th Jan '18 3:10:59 PM by MorningStar1337

Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#4849: Jan 29th 2018 at 3:20:27 PM

Does the word "shazbot" from Mork & Mindy count as a Perfectly Cromulent Word?

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ChaoticQueen Since: Mar, 2011
#4850: Jan 29th 2018 at 3:50:21 PM

Do Rasputia's brothers from Norbit qualify as Karma Houdinis? They abused Norbit his whole life and tried to get the deed to an orphanage so they could tear it down and turn it into a strip-club. In the end, while Rasputia does get some kind of karma when she gets harpooned in the blowhole, her brothers merely get run out of town and successfully open a strip-club in Tijuana.


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