Frozen (2013) | "Frozen Fever" | Frozen II | Frozen II Hans | A Frozen Heart
Important note: Please read the Programme Note and remember that not all entries are meant to be taken seriously! Although the most likely theories are welcome, so are intentionally-silly ones or even ones that completely contradict canon. WMG pages are just for fun!
- Given the finale, Jossed until character derailment.
- As we all know, people with ice powers cannot hold onto their sanity forever.
- But the reason the Ice King is mad is because his powers come from an Artifact of Doom. Elsa's powers are natural, so she should be alright.
- As we all know, people with ice powers cannot hold onto their sanity forever.
- Maybe all the characters will somehow figure into the characters of "The Snow Queen". Anna might somehow grow up to be the Summer Witch (who is often made to be the Snow Queen's younger sister, and also both have issues with being lonely). Hans might be the father of the prince and princess Gerda encounter. Kristoff might have some connection to the robbers (he could end up the Robber Girl's long-lost father, considering they both like reindeer...)
- Hell, we have the perfect reason for Elsa to grow up to her eventual role as Kai's captor; he represents her stolen childhood (being isolated from the world and all). Sure, she seems fine and dandy at the end, but we are talking about the subconscious here. Someone who’s spent much of their life locked in a room certainly would have developed a fondness for puzzles...
- Kai and Gerda may be the parents of Kai and Gerda.
- Or named after the originals from a legend.
- This is because taking the time to explain where the shard and the mirror came from would take too much focus from the main story. Turning it into Elsa's curse just saves time and still moves the plot forward.
- Jossed, when the Troll elder asks if Elsa was born with her powers or cursed, her father says she was born with them. He could be lying, but given Anna's life was at stake, it is unlikely.
- I think the "curse" is getting a shard of ice in your heart or head or whatever.
- Jossed, when the Troll elder asks if Elsa was born with her powers or cursed, her father says she was born with them. He could be lying, but given Anna's life was at stake, it is unlikely.
- Addendum: She will be a Knight Templar Iron Woobie, having cracked under the strain of having to be Queen at such a young age.
- Semi-Jossed: Elsa is a Woobie, but due to her powers, not her station, and she is ultimately heroic.
- She technically is a Classical Anti-Hero.
- Considering how much of a gay icon Elsa somehow became, this may cause riots.
- Of course, the consort doesn't have to be male, though I doubt Disney will have that much of a backbone. Then again, the shorts aren't as widely watched as the movies themselves, so maybe they can get away with it as less Moral Guardians will be pissing themselves in rage.
- Elsa is a gay icon because Idina Menzel originated one famous bisexual/lesbian role, and her second role had tons of Les Yay and takes place in Oz, which has a huge LGBT following.
- Elsa certainly have a similar hair color as a certain lesbian head of state whose land is named after the element she masters...
- Or they could just end the short with Elsa deciding she doesn't need a consort right now anyway.
- Jossed; the "inevitable short" was called Frozen Fever and was about Elsa suffering from a cold while trying to set up Anna's birthday party.
- Mostly Jossed: It's not Love at First Sight, and Kristoff does only join the quest at first because it's in his best interest, but they're not rivals, either.
The trolls have already shown to have the ability to rewrite human brains. Hans' evilness kicks in directly before he kisses Anna which would confirm/deny whether or not they share true love. Taking Hans' seemingly genuine fondness for Anna, his efforts to be a good leader and his heartfelt plea for Elsa to avoid killing, this suggests a possibility that Hans was trying very hard to balance his ambitious nature with a desire to be a good person, and the trolls had a hand in pushing him down the slippery slope to make sure their OTP became canon.
- Okay, that could work. Although the only way they could cast the magic would be to direct it miles away (if the family's mountain ride is any indication) to a person they have never met before...and know almost nothing about, aside from 'he's Anna's fiancé'...? But maybe they could have somehow attached the spell to Anna, so that the next time they were together it would affect Hans. 'Cause, I mean, let's say he was going to kiss Anna... but the spell took effect right then, because he had come extremely close to her.
- Grand Pabbie specifically says in the beginning of the movie that the heart can't be changed so easily, but he could have been lying or wrong.
- Suppose on the off hand that Kristoff suddenly overhears about the trolls bewitching Hans to make sure their OTP became canon, what would his reaction be? I'd suggest that he would be horrified at the realization that the trolls hexed an innocent man into pushing him down the slope, and would begin to see Grand Pabbie as a Broken Pedestal.
- The Film Theorists have a theory about this as well.
- Jossed.
- This leads to one of my theory - Hans has twelve older brothers, and he mentioned that some of them acted like he didn't exist for several years. Actually, he isn't lying a whole lot - he's just telling how he himself remembered it. They "Acted like he didn't exist" when he was very young, yet that was when his oldest few brothers were well into their teen years and adulthood around this time. While they were off getting married or being trained how to rule the Southern Isles, he was being a kid, and being as self-centered as kids are, thought they were shutting him out because they hated him as opposed to what really was happening. This leads into the WMG mentioned that, with the exception of the few eldest, Hans's brothers are all quite fond of each other. Because he never actually said which brothers shut him out, he could easily fool Anna (and the viewers.)
- Unfortunately, none of Hans' brothers loved him strongly enough to thaw his frozen heart, per Word of God.
- The words he used were not 'acted like he didn't exist' but 'pretended he was invisible'- probably a common enough prank to play for an hour or so, but pretty cruel to keep up for a long time, and to do it for two years is certainly beyond normal brothers messing each other about, it's horrible, at whatever age.
- Once Upon a Time suggests that Hans is on good terms with at least some of his brothers, enough to get them to help him out in his secondary attempts to overthrow Arendelle, although when Kristoff is spying on them in their camp, some of the brothers are seen mocking Hans for his previous failure to get the throne, and the ones that accompany him to accost Elsa and Kristoff over the urn flee when Ingrid comes out of the urn and freezes Hans into a statue.
- Obviously as the youngest of thirteen brothers (with possibly more siblings if Hans had any sisters), Hans didn't get the attention and nurture a child needs. His parents had a lot of kids to divide their time - the eldest and second-eldest to train as kings, and older sons to find good marriages for and middle sons to give important duties to. It's not unlikely that as youngest, Hans became increasingly convinced that he was unloved. Not having the time for him doesn't mean they didn't love him, and it doesn't mean all of his brothers bullied him and it certainly doesn't mean he was beaten daily with a stick. What it does mean is that any statement about him growing up without love is still accurate. Being a sociopath takes all of that treatment and then adds the ruthless ambition and complete lack of empathy to it.
- I always felt like Hans' parents sent him to Arendelle as a representative of the country. They hoped this would make him feel important, but by that time he saw it as an opportunity.
- Another perspective on this was that the emotional abuse that he does allude to was entirely real but it wasn't the whole story. (He might not even be wholly aware that it's not the whole story...) Hans might have been surrounded by biological family who ignored and belittled him... but it's a royal household and would have had a huge team of servants, who may well have been under obligation to treat even small children of the royal family as if they were practically demigods, always speaking to them reverentially, bowing to them as soon as they could walk. (Indeed, depending on the Southern Isles' culture, their reverence might even have had some truth in it.) Now, a person can grow up fairly normal and nice with one of these factors, which is how Anna and Elsa's childhoods likely would have turned out had the accident not happened (most people who have abusive families certainly have issues but are not usually total empathy vacuums), but having both, and a gulf between the two of any normal, affectionate human connection, would be conducive to raising a kid to have a personality disorder.
- I doubt it. Technically, Anna saw Hans about to swing a sword at Elsa with the intent of killing her. Regardless of her state of mind, Elsa probably saw Hans drawing his sword with the same intent. Depending on how close he was, Kristoff would have witnessed it too.
- This has been Jossed by Frozen Fever, which shows Hans shoveling manure back at the Southern Isles and getting pummeled by a massive snowball Elsa sneezed out, suggesting he was punished for his crimes.
- Jossed by the sequel. Chris Buck has explained that he was joking about the Tarzan relationship, and the sequel affirms their last moments were at sea when a storm wrecked their ship.
- The latter part is Jossed as of Frozen II. They were indeed lost at sea, and their death is confirmed.
- This one's Jossed as of Frozen II. The ship went North, not South, it did indeed go down in a storm as we saw in the first film, and its wreckage is found.
- Doing that would just make him too much like Maximus from Tangled. But that may be the point due to the horse's popularity. If they make Sven voiceless, they will really need to write him cleverly to make him his own character.
- According to Disney Wiki, Sven will be voiced by Tom "It's A Trap!" Kane.
- An artist named Prince Kido recently went to an early screening. According to him, Sven will be silent much like Maximus. Additionally, Sven will act like a dog, though not the same type that Max was.
- Based on the teaser trailer, it looks like they scrapped the one antler idea. Likely, they wanted to keep him symmetrical for ease of animation. Still think this Christmas a lot of kids are going to find Sven plushies in their stockings.
- Sven does not speak, but Kristoff speaks for both of them.
- Confirmed by the filmmakers. Originally, Elsa was supposed to be the Big Bad, but that was dropped, and when the plot was overhauled to make Elsa's backstory and motivation agree with her more sympathetic traits, Hans, previously just a mere Romantic False Lead, was made into a Hidden Villain to fill the void.
- According to Jennifer Lee, Hans was "never quite good" but he was "sorta dumb. Sociopaths are far more interesting."
- Jossed. The plot is kicked off by Elsa coming of age and being crowned queen, and it's made clear that this is happening in summer. It's much more likely that the girl with ice powers was born in the summer.
- Here's an alternate related theory: she was conceived during the winter solstice. Though she would have to be a preemie to be born in mid-July but if she was conceived on the 21st of December then by that time she would already be about 32 weeks [third trimester] along. "By 32 weeks, survival is almost as good as full term".
- That is with modern medicine, though.
- Here's an alternate related theory: she was conceived during the winter solstice. Though she would have to be a preemie to be born in mid-July but if she was conceived on the 21st of December then by that time she would already be about 32 weeks [third trimester] along. "By 32 weeks, survival is almost as good as full term".
- Actually confirmed late by Jennifer Lee, also stating that Anna was born on the summer solstice. The coronation being in the summer can be explained by the fact that it would probably have been hard for boats to travel there in the winter.
- Or possibly come back to work as an unpaid stable boy in the castle or somewhere in Arendelle as a punishment, as the fandom is currently suggesting.
- Pretty much confirmed in Frozen Fever, in which Hans briefly appears as he is shoveling horse manure, and gets hit by a giant snowball Elsa sneezed.
- Some recent interviews with Santino Fontana (Hans's voice actor) suggest that Hans might get a shot at redemption when the official feature-length sequel is made.
- Alternatively, Act One will end just after the Wolf Chase and Act Two will start with Olaf's introduction. Either of these would be great splitting points, but Let It Go would be the more exciting and memorable one.
- Confirmed, although the order of scenes is changed so Kristoff is introduced before the song.
- Confirmed with "Do You Want to Build a Snowman".
- That explains a lot. It would explain one reason why Elsa flatly says "You can't marry a guy you just met." It would also provide another explanation for why she decides to stage a jailbreak. It's possible Elsa also did accidentally complete freezing Anna because she sensed Anna's presence and also Hans's sword coming towards her.
- Hey, it might make it interesting if the film were told from Elsa's perspective. Perhaps Elsa deliberately fled into the mountains as a show for Hans's benefit.
- Yeah! You just gave me an idea for a fanfic where Elsa is a warrior queen who goes to save her sister from Hans, ice-bladed sword in hand.
- Aww, how sad. Rather Wicked-esque, actually.
- There's certainly something different about Elsa's hair. Unlike Rapunzel's, it doesn't grow abnormally long — both girls' hair is probably about elbow-to-waist length when loose, which is long but easily within normal limits — but Elsa's animators confirm that she has 400,000 strands of hair on her head a- roughly four times the normal number for a human with a full head of hair. (Presumably she keeps it braided practically at all times: Anna's bedhead would be nothing compared to what that could do.)
- Someone has suggested elsewhere that Elsa's magic also causes her to look like she has some of the traits of albinism, a rare genetic disorder where a lack of pigmentation results in pale skin and hair, which is why she looks nothing like her parents and Anna.
- However, while people with albinism have eyes that look similar to Elsa's, it comes with significant visual impairment, which Elsa doesn't have (if she had albinism, the bright sunlight in the epilogue scene would really hurt her eyes, among other things). Elsa also has very faint freckling and her eyebrows are slightly darker than her hair (as are her eyelashes — as an adult, she always wears make-up, but it's still noticeable when she's a child), which means she doesn't have an impairment of pigmentation, just very, very little (which is not that rare in Scandinavia, though still fairly unusual in an adult).
- At the very least, Elsa has some traits of an albino, like really pale skin.
- Elsa has spent most of her life hiding in her room in her castle. She also lives in a time when pale skin was seen as a mark of wealth and refinement and beauty, because it was the peasants who were forced to work outdoors who were tanned. It's not surprising that Elsa would be paler than most women in her kingdom and even paler than her sister who probably delighted in playing outside in the courtyard.
- Someone has suggested elsewhere that Elsa's magic also causes her to look like she has some of the traits of albinism, a rare genetic disorder where a lack of pigmentation results in pale skin and hair, which is why she looks nothing like her parents and Anna.
- Elsa's hair retains its pale snow-like color due to her ice powers. When Anna is affected, her hair also turns this color. But what if Elsa were to somehow lose her powers? Given their parents' hair, I assume Elsa is likely a brunette. This wouldn't be the first time a Disney princess went from blonde to brown.
She can freeze over an entire nation and create sentinent snow creatures. She's at least as powerful as any one of the Greek deities.
- Definitely. She should have a cult. How about a cathedral made of ice?
- Her powers are not only a metaphor for homosexuality, she's also a lesbian, which helps feed into her self-hatred and feelings of utter exclusion from society.
- Interesting theory, but this does give off some awkward/creepy undertones when you remember that what gets Elsa in trouble with her powers is that she almost kills her little sister out of recklessness... so if you replace her magic with homosexuality, would this mean someone someone caught the two sisters kissing?
- It's a real world case of Hide Your Lesbians, as placing Anna into a childhood friend role would be trivially easy the way the movie is set up. Also, when has Disney meant ANYTHING other than romantic love when referring to true love? Anna never said "I love you like a sister", just "I love you".
- Well, at least I no longer feel quite so much like the odd man out for my momentary thinking of Les Yay.
- That "true love" can mean more than just romantic love is kind of the point. Anyway, people typically don't tell their siblings "I love you like a sibling".
- Let It Go can be a metaphor for anything. That's what people like about the song. Could be mental illness, a coming-of-age story, or particular beliefs, especially religious or political.
- Interesting theory, but this does give off some awkward/creepy undertones when you remember that what gets Elsa in trouble with her powers is that she almost kills her little sister out of recklessness... so if you replace her magic with homosexuality, would this mean someone someone caught the two sisters kissing?
- Add to this how similar the scene as the coronation goes wrong is to the origins of certain X-Men when they develop powers, and it makes all the sense in the world.
- It actually fits really well. In Marvel 1602, there's a point where the weather over all of the Atlantic has gone screwy, and it could be because that's when Elsa's frozen the islands.
- BEAUTIFULLY explored by How It Should Have Ended in their "Frozen" video.
- With her abilities, easily overshadowing both Storm and Iceman, Elsa would have to be an Omega-Level Mutant. Another interesting thing: mutants of her power are typically immortal, so there's no real reason she couldn't walk into Xavier's school as an unexpected plot-twist.
- Or alternately, Elsa is Bobby Drake's ancestor.
- Especially likely since she spent her childhood wearing heavy clothes and gloves when she wasn't locking herself in her room, and was terrified of her own family touching her because she didn't want to hurt them by accident. Sex involves lots of skin-to-skin contact as well as intense emotions. Plus there's the Word of God stating she has depression and anxiety issues, which are both very unhelpful for someone's libido — and she may not even have a sex drive to repress, given how she was so young when the castle was isolated.
- Actually from a Freudian perspective — especially as Elsa is almost contemporary with Freud — this almost painfully stacks up as a (very 19th century) female sexuality allegory. As a child Elsa's powers are a part of her that she experiments with without worry or embarrassment, until her parents and a pseudo-religious figure intervene and tell her that it's dangerous and has to be 'controlled', whereupon she tries to hide it away, but as an adolescent it starts getting more powerful until denying her nature means she can barely function. In maturity, her composure breaks completely — coincidentally when an attractive young man is brought into her family (or, for those who want to think otherwise, when she's confronted with Anna wanting to embark on a romantic relationship). After her breakdown she finds that her mature powers are hugely pleasurable, beautiful, and creates miraculous things... but it's when they're controlled with love that she's able to express them freely and be healthily integrated in society. (It's a tiresome allegory, but it works.)
- Jennifer Lee has also acknowledged the suggestion in Do You Want to Build a Snowman? of the rift that can develop between girls of an age gap that size when the older sister is going through puberty and the younger, still a child, is constitutionally incapable of understanding why her sister is literally becoming a different person.
- There's a precedent, including the superpowers and isolation, with Panacea and Glory Girl, because the separation could prevent the Westermarck Effect from setting in.
- Elsa was eight by the time she was parted from Anna. The Westermarck effect is strongest for people you meet before you're about seven.
- Or Rapunzel and Anna. While Anna doesn't have magical powers like Elsa, she and Rapunzel look more alike and have much more in common personality-wise (with their common adorkable-ness and all).
- Anna's act of true love should have thawed Elsa's frozen heart as well as her own.
- Perhaps it's still frozen? Her hair is very fair, after all, like Anna's hair turned when she got her head and heart frozen. Except because she wasn't struck with ice powers but born with them, it's nonfatal and unable to thaw? Grandpabby says Anna, should she turn to ice, will be ice forever, implying she'd be little more than a perpetually cold glass or diamond statue. Forever. Perhaps for Elsa, this just means that she'll never die as long as she has her ice powers. Maybe after she outlives Anna and Kristoff (either by them dying in an accident or by some natural cause), she becomes the cold and detached Snow Queen from the original story, leaving her niece/nephew to rule over Arendelle while she becomes a crazy ice hermit in the mountains, and one day, an ''evil'' troll creates the mirror in the story and that sets the plot of the actual tale of the Snow Queen into motion?
- Someone has already suggested here that Hans' throwaway line about how 'no-one was getting anywhere' with Elsa meant that she'd already had a number of, if not proposals, a number of potential suitors approaching her — possibly by letter — with the idea that they might be the sort of person it would be appropriate to consider to be her husband, sometime, maybe (and has brushed them all off, for reasons that weren't known at the time).
- She's technically the Queen, but avoids being crowned or taking on her duties — despite the fact that even in this century, monarchs of 18 and younger have been very successful (Elsa would be just a little younger than Queen Vicky, who took up the duties of a Queen at 18 and did very well to rule into her eighties) for an unusually long time. At least a part of her would have been saying 'it's not time to become Queen yet, this is not really happening' — possibly she ran with it.
- Technically, she was queen in all but the ability to exert authority.
- She keeps to the rules that her father laid down, however impractical they're becoming now that she's head of the household and Anna's guardian. If anything, she makes them tighter. A Freudian would probably tell her she's trying to please her father into coming back to her.
- As a result of this, she can't go to her parents' memorial and has never seen the standing stones erected in their memory — how can she? She can't leave the castle! And therefore, she doesn't have to look at them.
- Yes, she would have exposed her powers if she did... but how long did she feasibly think it would be before something happened? But she avoided dealing with it — because an unconscious part of her believed that if she was 'the good girl she always had to be', and concealed all the evidence, this horrible thing wouldn't be happening to her.
- Given that Loki's a known shapeshifter, neither the Queen nor the King knew about the affair, or guessed that anything was unusual about Elsa until her powers manifested, after which they likely believed it was a just a fluke. Loki, hardly the most responsible of gods and unlikely to stick around once he's had his laughs, didn't bother to explain his trick or leave any helpful instructions, preferring to see what kind of chaos would result.
- In Norse Mythology, Loki is the son of the Frost Giants, who are nature gods that are in touch with ice, snow and cold. A girl with ice powers would probably be one of the least weird things he fathered. Also, in the original mythology (not the Marvel Comics version) Thor has red hair and Loki has silver-blond hair.
- This makes the sisters' reconciliation at the end of the movie that much more poignant: they're not just making up with each other, they're also showing that one of the longest-going family feuds in Norse Mythology can end happily.
- Or Iðunn (Elsa and Anna's mother, not the goddess) had affairs with both Loki and later Thor, with Anna being Thor's daughter, explaining her strength, and her tendencies in fighting style: bashing stuff with blunt objects (lute against wolves), throwing large items (burning blanket roll, also against wolves), and just plain punching (but doing so with enough force to send Hans in a graceful arc into the air and over the side of the boat).
- Whatever she touches turns to snow in her clutch.
- Elsa created a blizzard in the middle of July. Snow Miser brought snow to Southtown, USA, which apparently almost never gets any.
- She can create sentient constructs out of snow and ice — similar to the chorus line of miniature Snow Misers?
- She can also create things like ice skates and dresses out of ice. Snow miser turns his hat to snow and recreates it.
Does Disney even own the Miser Brothers? It'd be great if they did, because this is the best thing I've heard all day.
- Also, when Olaf was running towards the window, you can see the White Queen chess piece fall over. It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment.
- Most Fanfics like the idea that "Snow Queen" became Elsa's new nickname and she liked the ring it had.
- It fits well with the lesson she learns about embracing her nature as an ice-queen instead of despising it and letting it make her anxious, and how her icy nature doesn't necessarily have to prevent her from having fulfilling relationships with people.
- In the sequel, when she (as a kid) was playing with Anna, she got disgusted about Anna making the prince and the princess dolls kiss.
- The whole frozen heart/ice queen thing ties into a arophobia stereotype because they suposedly 'can’t love'.
- Also a song featured in the sequel, "Show Yourself" sounds like a aroace song especially because of the line 'You are the one you've been waiting for.'
- And since one of the film's messages is that 'romantic love isn't the only type of love' it could be even more deep.
- Actually Elsa does vent off excessive energy her body produces, just not in the form of heat we usually knows. We can notice that Elsa seems to glow a little bit in some scenes. This glow is her venting off excessive energy using light in visible spectrum which takes energy away without heating her surroundings too much.
- I'm going to side with you only because Elsa herself makes a subtle implication of this in the movie. Specifically she refers to herself twice as a 'good girl'; Once during "For The First Time in Forever" and again at the start of "Let it Go". Now in the movie this is referring to her dedication to her royal duties but 'good girl' is also a euphemism for chastity. She even says it while staring at a portrait of her late father, meaning she's trying to live up to his ideals, his standards. The moment she changes into that ice dress she saunters outside and exclaims "That perfect girl is gone!". That's a very sexually charged statement.
- I thought I was the only one who belived that!
- When Elsa is practicing holding the orb and scepter gloveless, we see the portrait of her father at his coronation. But on a closer look, Agdar seems to have, in that portrait, the same look of pained concentration on his face that Elsa exhibits on her own face at her coronation.
- Agdar has a reliable way of locating the trolls that is kept secret from everyone else, coupled with the fact that he thinks of the idea of going to them so quickly after Anna gets hurt, it's likely that the royal family has had dealings in the past with the trolls, who obviously view themselves as loyal subjects (given how quickly the Grand Pabbie acknowledges Agdar and how he immediately begins administering treatment to Anna), but they aren't supposed to call on them for every little thing (hence why Agdar can't remember on his own where the trolls live and has to consult a map). The trolls did recognize him, and it looked like he knew them too.
- Agdar said Elsa could learn to control the power. Maybe because he himself has learned to control his own powers?
- He reasoned that gloves would help Elsa.
- Agdar knew getting upset makes the powers stronger.
- His last words to Elsa were, "You'll be fine, Elsa." It could just be him trying to relieve her anxiety, but maybe deep down he felt she could overcome her powers just as he did.
- If Agdar had powers too, he clearly was able to overcome his power because he's gloveless. He must have been ashamed of his power which was why he was so adamant about concealing it so no one would know he had them, and passing that same mindset to Elsa. This might explain why he is not a highly emotional character — he knows he might not be able to hold the powers in if he lets it go.
- extremely elevated mood
- making rash decisions note
- hyper-productivity note
- feelings of invincibility note
- grandiosity note
Powers
- Probably irrelevant, but despite Mystical White Hair, Elsa's eyebrows are dark(er), like Rapunzel's.
- Word of God is that if it weren't for her ice powers, Elsa would be a brunette dead ringer for her mother, so it's entirely possible.
- Probably irrelevant, but despite Mystical White Hair, Elsa's eyebrows are dark(er), like Rapunzel's.
This means she is inherently damned to an eternity of suffering.
The "cat" (she really didn't know what else to call it) followed her back up to her room with Anna that night. Quickly, and with great confusion for all parties involved except the cat, Elsa realized that Anna couldn't actually see her new fuzzy friend. And, when Anna left because she was weirded the hell out and also wanted some cake, Elsa learned that the "cat" could talk. And that it wanted to offer her one wish in exchange for her signing some sort of contract.
She wished to impress her sister, of course. For the first two days, it was a resounding success.
Alternately, Frozen is simply set 3 years after the events of Tangled. We already know it's set after Tangled, due to Rapunzel and Eugene appearing together in a cameo.
- She's still immensely powerful when she's calm, she can just control it better. But if you really wanted to push this angle, you could say that the feats she performed during "Let it Go", and at the end where she lifted the winter, were given a burst of fuel by release or relief of stress, and that she may not have that level of power if she's been calm for an extended period of time.
- Being a Game of Thrones villain would certainly explain Hans.
- Being royalty in a pre-French Revolution setting would also explain Hans.
- This troper's theory: Westeros is an alternate universe of Frozen, wherein Elsa's Heroic BSoD caused the freezing of most of her subjects, with the exception of a few that escaped. She attempts to reanimate them so they'd be at the least like Olaf before she could figure out how to reverse it, but each attempt just results in a Came Back Wrong. Still, it never deters her, and she just keeps trying. Meanwhile, the refugees of Arendelle tell the kingdoms that accept them of the long night, where the snows fell a hundred feet deep, and White Walkers roamed the woods... (more in depth here)
- If this was the case, wouldn't he be better at teaching her how to control them? Her parents meant well but ultimately did more harm than good teaching her to suppress her emotions rather than confront them.
- He might have had them in his ancestry, if not in his immediate family, and it probably didn't end well; it's not like there are guidebooks for this kind of thing, so all he knew (either first-hand or from family legends) was that the power was somehow tied to emotions and could be highly dangerous.
- If Word of God from Jennifer Lee is anything to go by, a child is born with ice magic every millennium, and only when there's a certain alignment involving Saturn (it was meant to be explained by a troll in the film but was cut). With magic that rare, no wonder he didn't entirely know what to do.
- Though if Elsa was born (going by Word of God) in about 1825, there would be enough people on Earth by then for there to be several hundred babies born that night (maybe not so many in A.D. 825, but still). Presumably it's 'when the planets align a child is born within this particular people. Which would mean that the last ice-witch or wizard was born into a Viking culture!
- Another take on this: mental disorders have the possibility in some cases to grant those born with it amazing insight and talents. Those who have a mental disorder can see the world in an entirely different light, that allows them to see things as no one else sees them and do things that no one else could pull off (especially, but not limited to, savants). At the same time mental disorders can be a curse to those suffering from it. Being so different can be isolating, makes it hard if not outright impossible to connect with other people, and when everything gets so overwhelming and you get scared you might lash out in ways that could potentially harm yourself and others. Parents of kids with mental disorders usually mean well, but if they don't get all the resources they need to understand what their child is going through, then sometimes the cure can be as bad as the problem. In the end remaining loving and supportive is the best way thing anyone can do.
- If we go with the allegory here, then learning to control her powers would stand for learning to manage her illness. And there are plenty of examples of royalty who everybody knew to be "crazy" who nevertheless didn't get dethroned. Of course many mental disorders never truly go away and you can have bad days or even bad years... but it's not as rare as people think to be able to live a relatively normal life, or at least a functional one, even with a mental disorder.
- If that's the case, then the film provides huge tracts of fears from both Elsa's POV and Anna's: Elsa because she harms her sister and to some extent the people who she was supposed to be protecting, without even being fully aware of what she's done; Anna's when Elsa runs away in a state of distress, the authorities of law and order don't understand her and consider her dangerous when she becomes inconvenient, that she's cruelly manipulated by someone Anna herself brought into the family, and almost manages Suicide by Cop. And also for their parents, when Elsa becomes shut-in and her problems start to seriously impose on Anna, especially when Elsa is suddenly left with responsibilities that she's in no state to deal with.
- While anxiety disorders are not actively shamed, at least, not in today's society, there are still many people who don't bother to sympathize with those who have them, or lump them into prejudices that affect those with mental and emotional disorders at large. Secondly, there are in fact disorders that can cause anxiety that you are born with—I'm pretty sure that's essentially being born with anxiety, so that fits with Elsa being born with her powers. Additionally, there are disorders that cause people to lash out in rage at their loved ones, become paranoid of them, close themselves off, have dramatic and powerful mood swings, etc. Elsa is afraid of harming Anna, as in actually hurting her, not just disappointing her or getting her condemned by association. While there are still elements of the problem that can indicate homosexuality, or counter beliefs, or whatever the person watching chooses to associate with Elsa's struggle, the aspect of losing control of herself, and the fears relating to that, are in line with mental disorders, including anxiety related ones. At the very least it is a very viable interpretation.
- Relatedly, it could also be a condition from the autism spectrum?
- If Frozen were an allegory to Autism/Asperger’s, then effectively we're talking high scale here, on BOTH spectrums; speaking as an individual who is borderline Autism/Asperger’s. We are literally talking about someone (in Elsa's case) who cannot function at all in society.
- She was just born differently (how autistic individuals usually feel about themselves) and has terrible difficulty functioning socially and maintaining relationships. On the metaphorical side, people perceive her as cold, and her personal motto is about masking instead of expressing emotions. She saw solitude as the solution to all her social problems.
- It could also be a genetic disease?
- You are born with it and die with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can also bring some advantages (eg. height in someone with Marfan syndrome)
- Another possible motivation is that she wanted to be alone, to be separated from other people. (Everyone feels like that at least once, even if they have a family like Elsa's.) The mountains are distantly visible from Arendelle, and she may have subconsciously connected the two.
- Considering the film's Scandinavian setting, and the fact that Trolls are confirmed to exist in-universe, this doesn't seem all that unlikely. Plus, a lot of the things she does with her ice are very reminiscent of the things Jotunn can do.
- Either that or, depending on which Marvel universe it's set in, she's an omega level mutant with the same powers as Iceman.
- It doesn't have to be a Marvel universe. The Jotuns of Norse Mythology were neither large or ugly by necessity, especially if partially human.
- Even that?
- Especially that.
- What about that?
- I didn't even think of that! But yes, that as well.
- What? That too? Gross!
- Even THAT!? Is this really a Disney movie?
- Calm down—that couldn't possibly work as a metaphor. Were you watching the same movie?
- ...baseball? We're talking about baseball, right?
- Well, these are both animated...
- Alternatively, her crown (either the one retrieved by Marshmallow or the replacement she will get) could become the Ice King's crown, getting imbued over time with all her powers, along with the mental problems from her early life.
Unfortunately for her, their empathic nature caused the years of being cold and distant following the accident to stunt the development of the other three seasons far more than winter. There were probably quite a few unusually harsh winters during that time because of this.It isn't until her Love Epiphany at the end of the film that her Spring powers awaken in any meaningful manner, resulting it the rather sudden and flowery end to her two-day "Eternal Winter" in addition to signaling the end to her long emotional winter.
Now that she's returned to a more-or-less normal emotional state, her other seasons will start to catch up. Plants will grow faster and flowers start blooming when she's happy, the sun burns brighter when she's mad (or something else often associated with heat), if she's tired or bored the skies could cloud over somewhat, and the ice would only come out on its own when she gets depressed.Of course, she will be able to control these new powers so that they don't become disruptive, and if she tries she will be able to conjure and control plants, fire (which can be combined with her ice powers to make other states of water, and winds ranging from a light breeze to full gale-force and bring or disperse storm clouds as she wishes, possibly even being able to call lightning from them.
But on the other hand if she ever gets scared, there's a whole lot more to go haywire...
While magic may not be entirely unheard of in the universe of Frozen, ice magic would likely take on a negative connotation in northern regions, particularly in a case where the wielder has the ability to make Westeros' winters look like a nice trip to the Mediterranean. It's likely that people from the region immediately surrounding Arendelle (including the Duke of Weselton, a region that appears to be a fantasy counterpart to Sweden) would live in a cultural milieu where the ability to control the cold is seen in the same way as the ability to control darkness or death. Even if the winter no longer holds as much danger as it formerly did thanks to the progress of technology, that sort of association would take a very long time to wear off. This would explain why most of the people at the coronation are simply frightened, while the Duke of Weselton automatically assumes that sorcery is involved. For people living in the far north, Elsa's powers may have a mythological connection to evil or the devil that they just don't have elsewhere.
Perhaps one reason Elsa never told Anna about her powers wasn't just that her parents didn't allow her to talk about them, but think about it: Elsa is protective of Anna to the point she pretty much isolated herself from her for 13 years because that's what she thought it would take to keep Anna safe. Now think about what else might have gone through Elsa's head: if she knew that her sister had magic and she knew that it was Elsa's magic that caused her to get hurt when she was five, she might end up growing up in fear that Elsa might hurt her again, which would drive an even bigger rift between the girls than Grand Pabbie erasing all of Anna's memories of Elsa's magic ever did.
- You know how Elsa is crying at the end of Do You Want to Build a Snowman? Well, that's partly because she thinks she's guilty for killing her parents...and she did! Elsa has ice powers, and ice is the solid form of water. Maybe one day, she had a meltdown for no reason, which randomly caused a storm at sea.
Ability to create Snowlems: obviously. It's not made clear if she can fully control this or if the result is always an embodiment of her subconscious mental state at the time she made it. In addition to living snow, she can apparently imbue life into, for example, the ice permeating frozen twigs, explaining Olaf's arms.
Ability to telekinetically control ice: Shown several times. This probably justifies how she brought in sticks to be Olaf's arms on the basis that the sticks may have been frozen. This also appears to be how she lifted the winter at the end; she seems to have no ability to actually melt ice. But what she did do is, with her newfound positive emotional state allowing her full control of her immense power, she apparently just lifted the ice into the air and then ripped it apart at the molecular level, effectively vaporizing it.
Ability to lower the ambient temperature: Not sure where the heat goes. Either she somehow pumps the heat into an alternate dimension, or she just flat-out violates conservation of energy (because, ya know, magic). Either way, this ability seems to be able to extend around her for miles around, at least far enough range to cause the cold weather in Arendelle to persist even when she's miles away on a mountain.
- Elsa could have developed some eating disorders during her 13 years of isolation, and may have had periods where she didn't eat for days at a time, like after her parents died.
- That would give a Watsonian explanation for the (typical for Disney characters, but not real humans) unhealthily thin body.
- Probably Court of Diamonds: Based on A Sister More Like Me, she's studious, values intellect and control of emotions, and of course has the affinity for ice and water.
- Or possibly Court of Clubs, since she learns to reconcile expressing herself with living in harmony with others, and tries to avoid becoming a violent monster.
- Hearts is another possible fit, since she's a leader, regal, and believes in fulfilling duty through following rules and conventions. She tries to fulfill hers by taking her father's advice to "conceal it, don't feel it" while learning control around others to extremes years after he's gone.
- Calling's a little harder to determine, but I would peg her as either Grace (she does display strong leadership traits) or Seeker (again, studious and, based on the apparent "Into the Unknown" song snippet going around, curious).
- Troubadour could also work, since she's artistic and has an affinity for magic that shapes material and that is connected to emotions. While she usually doesn't want attention, she can still be a bit dramatic and performative, since she uses big gestures when casting her magic, despite knowing it's unnecessary for it to work. During the first film, she learns to embrace her powers as a force that can be used for creation, and her artistic expression is a big part of her.
Anna
- And if Anna and Elsa really are related to Rapunzel, he could well have heard of Arendelle during the festivities in Corona, maybe from idle gossip wondering if either of those Arendelle princesses would marry soon.
- A Sister More Like Me suggests that Elsa spent a lot of time studying because of her physical confinement and because she wanted to (not to mention such studying would be necessary so that she can seamlessly become queen without much difficulty). Anna got outside a lot more and wasn't interested in sitting in with books.
- It's speculated a lot that Elsa took up most of their parents' attention, especially their father's. Queen Iduna maybe didn't feel like putting her baby girl under a lot of educational pressure- especially as she could see Elsa wasn't thriving emotionally.
- After their parents died, Anna seems to have had very little attention- from fifteen, it doesn't look like anyone was educating her.
- Anna's 'kookiness' may be the result of genuinely perceiving the world in a slightly different way to other people- what's sometimes called a 'neuro-diverse profile'- that is, the condition by which people with profiles like Asperger's syndrome, dyspraxia or ADHD (all of which can overlap)- in which the person's brain connects signals together by unusual or circuitous pathways, meaning that they sometimes link thoughts together, or store memories, in seemingly strange ways. (Why this happens is not fully understood but often seems to start with birth trauma or seizures in early childhood.)
- Anna's impulse control and ability to process risks don't seem to have progressed much since she was five.
- Really? Her body kinesthetic intelligence is pretty high. She knows how to fight very well despite no apparent training (she gives Hans and that wolf flawless hits, knows when to leap off cliffs, etc.) I'd say she knows when to take risks. As for impulse control, there's a very good argument for her engagement to Hans on the YMMV page's Alternative Character Interpretation section explaining she understood the big opportunity she was getting with very little time to make a decision that will effect her life and emotional state forever. (It's also a fairy tale. Fairy tale characters behaving like fairy tale characters isn't really childish.)
- It's also a nice Watsonian explanation of why Anna's 'handedness' seems to be inconsistent (throwing with her left, hitting with her right, gesturing with either). An early sign of a 'neuro-diverse' brain can be when a child is cross-dominant, being ambidextrous and showing no particular dominance of one hand over the other (or they perform some actions left-handed and some right-handed), because of their unusually-mapped neural pathways.
Powers
- Elaboration here
- And it's going to be called Burned
- She's a tiny thing but somehow manages to:
- In "For the First Time in Forever" she manages to throw a bronze bust across the room. Even if it's hollow it's still going to weigh 20 pounds.
- When Hans nudges her playfully, her attempt to do the same knocks him sideways.
- She knocks away (40 secs) an adult wolf (probably at minimum 150 lbs) with a lute like it was a baseball.
- When she punches Hans off the boat, he arches backwards.
- Etc.
- Going along with the summery theme Anna has, she gets her super strength from being born on the summer solstice like Elsa's magic is from the winter solstice, and that strength derives directly from the sun.
Her actions show an amazing amount of quick thinking that would make any commanding officer proud.
- Also, during Frozen Fever she's able to wake up, get dressed and groom her hair perfectly in a matter of seconds. Anyone who has ever been in the military will tell you, that's an accomplishment in itself.
- This could even fit in with the Once Upon a Time depiction of Anna, where she's shown to have taken up swordplay after the ordeal with Hans.
- Anna states in a cut song that she will be Elsa's "right hand". Given that Elsa may still need time to get over her issues, Anna might be the best one to be Elsa's first line of defense.
- Definitely Court of Swords, as she is ruled by and believes in Love (of all four sorts). Calling is most likely Troubador, since her main thrust seems to be trying to awaken people's spirits.
- As mentioned above, she displays surges of strength far beyond what she should have, which could either be Celestial Grace or just Transformed Attributes. And Inner Light acting to boost her magic resistance could help explain why the freezing curse took so long to take effect.
- It also seems very likely her Calling is Mender, since she's almost always trying to help people, the physically-suffering people of Arendelle and the spiritually-suffering Elsa, despite how Elsa has hurt her before. She is capable of both being quite naive and being quite mature. Grace is also a possibility, because one of her main goals is to help her sister confront her fears and she has a strong affinity for personal relationships. She also shows effective leadership skills in convincing Kristoff to guide her toward the North Mountain and in convincing the Duke not to send his guards after Elsa (at least until Anna's horse comes back without her, at which point she's missing.)
- Anna lives well into the 1910s as a queen emeritus, having abdicated from her throne. She would tell her grandchildren and great-grandchildren about the exploits she and her sister had over the years; alternatively, none of the magical events took place and the dynasty simply had a notable if not eventful reign particularly with the plot Hans unsuccessfully hatched to usurp the throne, and Anna being the perky chatterbox that she was, would weave fairy tales about her family in 1840s Arendelle to entertain her grandchildren. This would eventually become the stuff of legend in Arendelle and by extension Norway and the rest of Scandinavia.
- Or, Hans Christian Andersen, assuming he existed in the Disney universe (or at least the Frozen mythos), took inspiration from the Arendelle royal family and loosely based the Snow Queen on Elsa and the unusual weather at the time.
We know from the line of dialogue from Oaken that the movie is set in July. But Elsa's coronation in the church gives more possible evidence to exactly when in the month. The altar cloths and the bishop's vestments◊ are red, and in the Roman Catholic Church, red is used on the feast days of martyrs (and Holy Week and Pentecost, but those can never be in July). Now, there aren't a lot of Norwegian Saints, but there are two martyrs who have their feasts in July: Saint Sunniva (July 8) and Saint Olaf (July 29). Saint Sunniva doesn't work out, due in part to her being patron saint of the diocese which includes Bergen, but Saint Olaf's feast, July 29, makes more sense, because of his status as first king of Norway and also because of Olaf being the name of Anna and Elsa's snowman.
In Norway, Saint Olaf's feast day (the Olsok) is a national day of celebration. It would make sense for Elsa's coronation to take place on such a day, and some real monarchs of Norway have been crowned on July 29 (notably Haakon IV in 1247 and Christian II in 1514). So it goes without saying that although Elsa was not born on July 29 (and neither were Haakon IV or Christian II), that she was crowned on that day because it is the custom in Arendelle to crown their monarchs on the Olsok (King Agðar was also crowned on a red day◊).
It also lines up with the lunar calendar for that year, since Anna dances with Hans under a full moon during "Love is an Open Door."
- Somehow I can't see Elsa going along with this.
- But with her power, Arendelle's economy will have a spectacular boost with the all year round ice she can supply.
- Also imagine this: Arendelle will now be impossible to invade while Elsa is on the throne: she can immobilize any invading fleet by freezing the waters, and then perhaps shifting the ice to crush their hulls. Furthermore, any invading force going overland to the city could suddenly face such a bad blizzard that their traveling pace is reduced to crawling speed while Elsa could create ice barricades for her soldiers to use.
- Now I'm thinking of Arendelle conquering England and all the world superpower countries. And yes, that includes America.
- Does America exist yet in this quasi-Medieval world?
- Will America exist at any point in this world's timeline? Or England? Arendelle is a vaguely Norway-esque equivalent, but there's no direct real-world counterpart, same as Corona; it seems more likely that it's another, non-Earth world, maybe a parallel version.
- Given the Frozen has an artistic style derived from the 1830s-1840s, there would probably be a U.S. analogue already. For some historical perspective, at around the same time that Elsa is building her ice palace in Arendelle, the Texas analogue could very well be losing to the Mexico analogue at the Alamo analogue.
- An Empire can't be built on one superhuman and an impenetrable city-state, especially if the city is only unassailable thanks to said superhuman, she can't be everywhere at once so there would be rebellions as soon as she left a province. Granted she could make an army of "Marshmallows" but we don't know if there's any sort of limitations to the personal flurry she gave Olaf to keep him from melting.
- While she does probably have the 'Cross Me and You Are Antarctica' option, the most that would be good for is extorting tribute rather than any sort of profitable long-term direct rule. The Emperor still needed an army. Whether or not it would be technically possible is irrelevant. It would be massively out of character for Elsa.
- We are in a position to take this as given, but something to consider is how many rulers will not. Some will be cynical enough to presume she would be happy to aggress (after all, it is what they would do with her power), while others will be less certain but have little firsthand knowledge of Elsa's character and know enough about her power to not want to take chances. In short there could easily be much bowing, scraping, exceedingly favorable trade offers, spontaneous pleas for Her Most Dread And Powerful Majesty's forbearance, etc. no matter what Queen Elsa's planned foreign policy is.
- It's worth noting that Arendelle would become an incredibly powerful military ally due to Elsa's powers. Castle sieges? River crossings? Countering enemy assaults? Combat recon with snowlems? She doesn't even have to be constantly on the frontlines. One solid demonstration of her might and rulers would be clambering over each other to secure her as an ally - or persuade her to not become one.
- It would only last as long as Elsa, or someone else with her abilities, held Arendelle, and we've had no evidence of the power being hereditary (and thus possibly inherited by her or Anna's offspring) or capable of extending Elsa's life. If she manages to make an empire on her power, she'll make a lot of enemies who'll be counting down the days until she's dead or weakened by age. In a worse-case scenario, attempting to use her powers under such conditions may backfire horribly, and those enemies will be accumulating anyway while the empire-building is in progress. Other kingdoms may have magical resources of their own, whether or not they're open about it, and Elsa openly using her abilities could spark a Batman Begins-style arms-race or Cold War. As pointed out above, we know that Elsa's unlikely to use her powers aggressively, but other countries don't.
- Jossed hard in Frozen II. Elsa abdicates within three years, and Anna takes the throne.
- However, it's implied that Elsa's powers aren't totally unique (The Duke of Weaseltown (WESELTON!) seems to have heard of magic, at least, and Elsa's parents didn't seem to find her having it a cause for alarm, just that she couldn't seem to control it. In all probability, the kingdoms with mages keep each other in check, just like Real Life nuclear powers.
- Talk about a cold war.
- The end result when that cold war finally goes (metaphorically) hot? "Each day is more gray than the one before. It is cold and growing colder as the world slowly dies...The roads are peopled by refugees towing carts, and gangs carrying weapons, looking for fuel and food."
- Hopefully Elsa manages to defuse the situation, since having someone so powerful lose control as she did would set all other nations on edge, especially any other nations with magical resources. Diplomatic incidents happen and get smoothed over all the time, but you don't want to accidentally touch off a sorcerous World War, plus that probably wouldn't be good for Elsa's personal issues.
- That way, if it looks like she will be forced to use her powers with more force than precisionnote she can issue effective evacuation or shelter-in-place orders (although working the well-insulated bunkers needed for the latter into the budget may take time).
Frozen's finale essentially smashes this attitude to bits. A powerful mage rules Arendelle, at least one magical creature openly lives in it, and the country's populace is on the way to accepting magic as part of their daily lives. Additionally, the movie's has a strong theme of accepting magic and using it for the good of others. I theorize that Elsa isn't a throwback- she's a herald.
- Maybe it's real in both worlds - in ours, the suppression of witches in the Middle Ages and Salem was successful, in theirs, not.
- The other part, of course, could be Elsa being savvy, possibly sensing that Hans might merely be using Anna as a tool to get himself closer to her to target her. Or she's just trying to go by the traditions of the period wherein a member of the court needs her permission to marry and sire/bear children, something that does apply to Anna.
- It's not so much that Hans wouldn't inherit much- it's not like Anna would need to be provided for and having a nephew who was heir to multiple kingdoms could be problematic for the future- but she would definitely need to find out if Hans is a satisfactory personality in those circumstances, and that an alliance with his brother was actually desirable.
During the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, policies turned more toward containing what population of trolls remained in the kingdom that became Norway, since the monarch who ordered the policy is long dead, and since the trolls have lost the ability to dispense terrible wisdom. This, of course, competes with an attitude that is still generally destructive, leading to troll-hunter Hans being forced to wipe out an entire population to assist in the construction of a tunnel. Regardless of any policy attempting to keep them alive, however, it seems likely that the trolls will eventually die out due to their stupidity.
- It's known that she's been removed from public view suddenly as a little girl and the household could look as if it went into pre-emptive mourning. She still spends long periods hidden from even most of her own household and doesn't go out in public; she has rules that say all people must stay at arm's length and is reluctant to touch even inanimate objects with her bare hands (while this actually is because she's afraid that she'll freeze someone to death, it also fits with some protocols at the time for TB patients- it was already known that it was infectious). She's pale, slight and bright-eyed, yet somehow looks scoured out by sadness; she wears heavy clothing even in summer, moves carefully and her manner of holding her orb and sceptre make it look as if she was barely strong enough to lift them...
- She's known to be only opening up the gates for one day. It's like she's decided that she wants her reign confirmed before she closes it up again- perhaps they guess that symptoms have come back and she's not got long to live.
- It certainly makes sense of the interested parties closing in for a carve-up...and in hindsight, could almost certainly be another plausible reason why Hans is so delighted to find that Elsa has a little sister who's the picture of ideal health- it ties up why he seems genuinely struck when he first meets Anna. It makes marrying the sister a much better bet than marrying Elsa and hoping she survives at least nine months, long enough to leave a young heir for him to be regent for.
Especially flamethrowers and mustard gas.
Also, the throwaway line in "For the First Time in Forever", "...who knew we had eight thousand salad plates...?", suggests that before the king closed everything up for Elsa's sake, that the royals previously had a tendency to throw very large parties, not just intimate gatherings of nobility but huge parties with everyone invited. I mean, the entire population of Arendelle may not be much higher than eight thousand. And of course, what does Elsa do at the end after everything is sorted out? She throws a big ice skating party at the castle, and invites everyone.
Exhibit B: Before she startled the crap out of them with her previously-unseen ice powers, the commoners in the courtyard during the coronation afterparty seemed like they really wanted to buddy up to her, or ask her why she seemed so upset. This sort of implies a tradition of the commoners not really keeping too much distance from the royalty, and being able to know them personally, with the king's shutting everyone out to protect Elsa being highly unusual. The dynamic in Arendelle overall seems like a small town where everyone knows everyone else, just with "town" replaced with "city-state kingdom", and "mayor" being replaced with "monarch".
Exhibit C: Arendelle appears to have a very simplistic and naive power structure and set of rules for succession. There doesn't really seem to be much in the way of nobility besides the royal family. With no regent, we're left to believe Elsa became queen immediately after her parents died and she was just putting off her public coronation as long as possible. When Elsa runs off and effectively abandons her authority, Anna apparently recieves absolute power immediately, and there aren't even any safeguards in place to prevent her from delegating nearly all that power to a foreigner she barely knows.
It seems to be a really simplistic governance structure, which with so few safeguards to ensure stability, you wouldn't think would be able to survive for very long at all. Presumably the only reason it has survived, is by being a very small and tight-knit society where the royal family has always maintained an extremely high public approval rating and very strong public support overall. Given that there doesn't appear to be a standing army, but rather just a few town guards (who are few in number), the royal family probably don't have the ability to force their rule if they wanted to, but rather rely on the people just being happy and not wanting to revolt. Hans, the attempted usurper, seems to know very well that to have power in Arendelle, you must make it a priority that the public likes you.
And a very long-standing and strong tradition of seeing the royal family as trustworthy and ultimately good goes a long way towards explaining why everyone is so quick to forgive Elsa for hiding that she's a powerful ice sorceress from them for many years and then nearly causing an eternal winter. If the queen apologizes and explains herself, that's good enough for them, no matter what just happened. When she cleans up the winter she made and says she didn't mean to make it in the first place, they're not inclined to be suspicious of that.
As for how they haven't been flattened by a foreign power, either they have a really strong citizen militia in the style of Switzerland, or else have managed to get themselves set up as a mostly-independent protectorate of a larger kingdom.
Exhibit D: At the end, no one makes a big deal about the fact that the queen's sister and heir presumptive to the throne is dating a commoner. Unlike most European monarchies, there really don't seem to be any rules in place about "keeping the bloodlines pure", or anything like that. Apparently in Arandelle, anyone can marry into royalty and it's not a big deal.
Credit to a friend and fellow troper for authoring this theory and granting permission for it to be posted here.
Anna was actually trying to end the state of isolationism Arendelle was in, and joined a foreign prince's plot to help her coup her sister. Hans actually tried to make democratic reforms during his brief rule, and actually captured Elsa after successfully persuading the Arendelle army to mutiny. But he underestimated the Queen's powers and her own supporters, who counter-couped him and "saved Anna" from her. The two conspirators who try to actually coup Elsa in the film are an American who wants Arendelle to be friendly to his kingdom, and an Englishman who wants Arendelle to be more economically submissive.
- What does Elsa do after her powers are revealed? Flee into the mountains and declare that she's going to be alone for the rest of her life. Nice and all... but what was she planning to eat?
- Ice powers would make hunting extremely easy.
- Hunting, sure, since she can use the ice to freeze attacking animals like wolves. Turning the products into something remotely edible, not so much. Elsa was raised as a princess, so she's not going to know how to prepare meat, make a fire, find anything to supplement her diet, or whatever. Also, even if she hadn't created an eternal winter, there's still natural winter to contend with. Most animals don't come out much during the winter.
- Ice powers would make hunting extremely easy.
- Anna's plan was basically: 1. Look for Elsa. 2. Find Elsa somehow. 3. Talk to Elsa. 4.??? 5. Elsa defrosts Arendelle.
- This WMG also explains why there's no backup power structure in place that prevents woefully unprepared Anna from receiving power (and promptly giving it away to Hans) when Elsa runs off. It just runs in the family that they're uncommonly bad at planning and contingency plans, and that's why their power structure and rules of succession are so simplistic and lacking in safeguards.
- I'll wager a snow queen from another Disney work had a child out of wedlock and not caring to raise it dumped it on this kingdom's doorstep.
- Or rather than share a mother, they share a father. It's entirely possible to dramatize Elsa's life by having her biological mother die while birthing her (something which is not implausible in a medieval setting, as childbirth back before modern medicine was a leading cause of death among women), then Agdar remarried, so Idun was the one who gave birth to Anna.
- Either way, this theory also ties in nicely with the above-mentioned WMG that Elsa is a descendant of the Jotuns; her biological parent (either father or mother) was a descendant of the Jotuns with ice powers, which explains why she has ice powers and Anna doesn't.
- It would also explain why we never see Idun talking to Elsa; she always lets Agdar take the lead, as if she feels like it isn't her place to comfort her or give her advice. (I think the only time she talks is when she picks up the stricken Anna and says "She's ice cold!").
- Elsa turned down Anna's marriage proposal to Hans not just because of the fact that they had just met, but also for political reasons. This comes from one fanfic this troper has read, which suggests both sisters had received several betrothal offers. Perhaps Elsa didn't want Anna to marry into the Southern Isles clan because she didn't want to rank the Southern Isles above Arendelle in terms of authority.
- This also comes from the fanfic Secret Passages, but suppose that Agdar made some decree that the gates stayed closed until Elsa turned 21. Agdar and Idun died three years before that happened, so for Anna and Elsa, the castle became a Gilded Cage. For Elsa, this wouldn't be a problem since she theoretically could rule from behind closed doors, though Anna might grow tired of the castle's surroundings.
- There were originally plans for a regent in the script, but the character was cut for time and for irrelevance to the main plot. Perhaps, in the final movie, and again, the fanfic Secret Passages theorized this: perhaps Elsa was supposed to be her own kingdom's regent. Her title technically was 'Queen Elsa of Arendelle' the moment her parents died, but she didn't get the full authority of a monarch until she turned 21. Thus, while Elsa could do business with other kingdoms, she couldn't do some things like repeal existing laws or create new ones (which would be a matter left off to a council of advisors or something), and she would have had to sign documents with something akin to "Crown Princess Elsa of Arendelle on behalf of the late King Agdar and Queen Idun". So while Elsa technically was the highest ranked person in authority in Arendelle during the three years between her parents' deaths and her cornation, she was only ruling in her parents' stead and had no actual political power of her own until her coronation. This would explain who was in charge before Elsa's coronation, and actually ties in nicely with the previous WMG, because if Elsa didn't have any authority to make new laws or overturn existing ones, she wouldn't have the ability to overturn her parents' decree that the gates stay closed until her coronation even if she wanted to open them.
The King and Queen
- Elsa's worries about her parents led to their demise across the sea, her powers manifested the very scenario she feared would happen.
Ancestors & Descendants
In the 2009 re-imagining of the first Silent Hill, the player character (Harry Mason) is revealed to be a manifestation of the tormented psyche of his daughter, Cheryl, who has been controlling (to some extent) both his actions and the environment as she comes to terms with his death in a car crash.
Distinct similarities exist between the worlds that Cheryl's father explores and the one created by Elsa in Frozen. While the climate of the region where most of the Silent Hill games are set (Maine) would obviously allow for winter weather in the middle of the winter, the snow that falls on the town in Shattered Memories is exceptionally heavy. In addition, it appears to have fallen since Cheryl arrived for her appointment with Dr. Kauffman, because there would be no way for a person to travel if it hadn't. In some places, it is piled up over the road to a height of around ten feet. While this could be accepted as just a psychological manifestation, there is really no indication that the events of the game don't take place in the physical world, and some fairly strong evidence that they might (including some tapes and messages left by individuals who Cheryl would have no way of knowing). Cheryl's Snow World and the eternal winter that Elsa brings to Arendelle are facially very similar.
At certain times in the game, when Cheryl is abnormally stressed, the Snow World turns to an icy Otherworld similar in aesthetics to the versions of Elsa's ice castle and Arendelle that are visible when Elsa learns that she has plunged the city into everlasting winter and when she wakes up after being knocked unconscious by a chandelier, respectively. Jutting, sharp outcroppings of ice appear and the general atmosphere changes dramatically.
Finally, the last portions of the game, when Harry Mason is nearing the end of his search for his daughter, occur in an area sometimes called Nowhere, where the environment is twisted enough to play fast and loose with the laws of physics and spatial placement. An analogous environment exists in Frozen on two occasions, one near the beginning of the film when Elsa and Anna's parents die and one near the end when Elsa believes that Anna is dead. Although in these instances there isn't any spatial distortion, the environment becomes highly distorted, and snowflakes freeze in midair.
Although the creatures in Shattered Memories appear to be flesh and blood, Harry Mason's turn to solid ice near the end of the game makes it distinctly possible that they are formed from ice and snow, and given "fleshy" features by Cheryl's delusions.
So, to recap, Elsa and Cheryl both have the ability to create blizzards. The ice and snow that they generate changes its attributes along with their moods. Beyond that, they can apparently create life from snow. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories is set in the present, while Frozen is set in around the 1840s. The idea that Cheryl could be a distant relative (or possibly even a descendent) of the two main characters of Frozen definitely puts a darker spin on what would have happened to Arendelle had things turned out a bit differently.
But when Marshmallow steps on Elsa's itty-bitty crown in the post-credits scene, he recoils as if it really hurt him. This doesn't make sense, especially when you consider how much smaller the crown is in proportion to him, compared to the icicle and Olaf. So it would seem that something about the crown makes it more painful to magical snowmen then icicles and carrots. Perhaps it was enchanted by an ancestor of Elsa's who also suffered from Elsa's snow magic, and enchanted their own crown in order to keep their powers suppressed. So why is Elsa able to use her magic when she's wearing it? Well perhaps the enchantment has substantially weakened over the centuries, or perhaps the original owner's powers were far weaker then Elsa's.
Either way, something about it makes it painful to magical snowmen. Pain is usually a primal indicator for something that threatens our health or lives, so the fact that Marshmallow finds the crown painful may indicate it's damaging to the magic that gives him life.
- Well someone does need to deliver it to stores and the like. Though it’s unknown if Elsa's ice is even safe for consumption.
- Olaf is made out of Elsa's ice, and heat melts him down to water like any other ice.
- That doesn't necessarily mean he's safe to eat/drink, either due to magical dangers or more mundane toxicity. That said, Sven does eat snowflakes generated by Elsa's magic, and he seems okay.
- Olaf is made out of Elsa's ice, and heat melts him down to water like any other ice.
- Isn't Kristoff an orphan? It seemed to be implied, at least, by the fact that he didn't seem to have any relation to any of the men, no-one stopped to look for him or call to him while the men were leaving or when he and Sven followed the carriage, and it would mean that the trolls wouldn't have had to leave a replacement since Kristoff had no-one to miss him.
- Actually, it kind of works. Trolls were among the creatures who would steal children. Notably, they were especially attracted to blondes and beauty. Sometimes they would just take the child because they liked human children. Sometimes they'd leave a piece of enchanted wood, which would get sick and 'die', or just a fairy, and sometimes the stolen child would return home and in return for working with the fey folk, they themselves would have gifts, like abnormal strength and stamina. The idea of Kristoff being intended as a Fetch (the term for the child who is stolen) is remarkably close to folklore.
- Also, given the establishment of the trolls' abilities to edit memories in the film it would also make the line Kristoff says "It was just Sven and me growing up" make sense as well: they erased any memories of his biological parents. The trolls could have possibly removed the memories of his true parents, which pushes it towards Fridge Horror.
- As Sven is still clearly a young fawn in the prologue, (s)he would have been less than a year old. Deer grow to adult size in the space of about a year, so he's (or she's) about 14.
- The things discussed in the WMG above would also apply if Sven had been castrated early in life (which does happen.) Eunuch reindeer are also particularly large and strong, which would account for why Sven can pull such big, heavy sleds without needing a companion.
- This works as there's a good chance that Elsa might need the trolls at some point. Grand Pabbie's understanding of her condition isn't perfect but it's usually the best anyone has to go on.
- For that matter, Kristoff's education by trolls (and experience in extreme weather) means he's probably got some relevant skills to help look after Elsa if things get serious again.
- There's at least one fanfic that (jokingly) runs with that idea.
- Bulda: People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed,But throw a little love their way, and you'll bring out their best!
- Total focus on both her powers and what they're doing (freezing the ballroom as a child, creating the ice castle, freezing the castle courtyard, creating her dress, unfreezing Arendelle)
- Focus on her powers, slight focus on her emotions (any time she panics or is angry)
- When she's put 100% focus on something other than her powers (the deaths of her family members)
- Focus on her emotions, absent focus on her powers. (the creations of Olaf and of Marshmallow)
Olaf
- When Elsa created him, he ended up reflecting the part of her that yearns to no longer be surrounded in the cold (as result of her ice powers).
- It would of been way too sad and melancholic - it's probably wise they cut it, because 'kill the comic relief' has kind of been done before in The Black Cauldron (though it was ultimately averted), and that was depressing as hell...
- Not to mention it would be even more similar to another iconic snowman, and they didn't want to raise comparisons.
- Perhaps this means Olaf is 'programmed' to find and protect Anna, and his brain (if he has one) is wired so that he can scan his surroundings and locate her at a moment's notice.
- That would explain his fascinated "So that's what heat is!" when he finally feels literal warmth after lighting the fireplace; it was the first time he realized it was something different from the warm-and-fuzzy feeling of a good hug.
- It's exactly the kind of thing an 8-year-old like Elsa at the start of the movie might easily think of, and it would explain why she has Olaf say "I like warm hugs" instead of just "hugs". Anna's outpouring of love at seeing Olaf suggests that he might be a familiar recurring character whenever she and Elsa create their indoor winter playground, not just that one time. So it would make sense that Elsa would eventually, after the first few times, invent an elaborate backstory for Olaf and give him his name. And if Olaf was around a lot during their play, then everything he seemed to know in the movie, he might have learned as the two sisters talked around him.
- Given how this fanfic chose to expand on that scene by having them give Olaf (who has been really cut out from the main part of the plot) "pets" like a horse and a dog, that actually would be a very plausible answer.
- He probably feels that way because that's how Elsa thinks. For years, she felt she was protecting Anna by staying away from her. He's just going off what she believes.
- This matches my feeling on the matter. His feelings on summer seem to be more that he knows he's being amusing.
Let's consider a few things:
- Despite being created by Elsa somewhere very close to the ice palace, he doesn't immediately greet Elsa upon gaining conscience, and instead wanders down the hill, wandering almost aimlessly for about a day and a half until he stumbles upon Anna and Kristoff in the glade. As a proof, Elsa has never seen Olafnote up until Anna finds her, not to mention that Olaf merely guesses that Elsa must be "the nicest, gentlest, warmest person ever", hinting that he doesn't know anything about Elsa except that she is his creator.
- Olaf sticks by Anna all the time. He could have tried to negotiate with Elsa when Marshmallow throws the party out of the palace, but no, he follows Anna when they flee from Marshmallow. And after that he sticks by Anna, at least until they arrive at Arendelle.
- Upon reaching Arendelle, Olaf goes to find Anna first, instead of trying to find Elsa. Sure, the weather has gotten bad by that point such that trying to look for Elsa, who at that point is probably already wandering the vast, obscured fjords, will be a chore, but no, he doesn't even try to go after Elsa.
So in a sense, Olaf is created by Elsa to be Anna's protector, or at the very least, counselor and advisor of sorts, while Elsa chooses to live in solitude. Yes, Olaf's birth is accidental, but surely it's possible that while reveling in solitude, Elsa also makes a wish for her sister to be happy, and that wish becomes Olaf?
A lot of artists represent themselves in their work, and Elsa is no different. Consider that Olaf is a loving being who likes warm hugs. But if he were to be hugged, he would melt. Similarly, Elsa wants love and human companionship, but is afraid people will be physically and emotionally hurt if they get close. It's safer for her to stay cold, even though she would rather indulge her sense of fun. As someone else noted, it's a fight between her Olaf side and her Marshmallow side. But Elsa, like Olaf, eventually learns that some people are worth melting for, such as Anna. Also like Olaf, she is able to "regenerate" with her two sides balanced once her love melts Anna's frozen heart. Granted, she's not experiencing physical death by "melting" the way Olaf would, but the emotional death she fears has just as big an impact.
She made him, and he was the first sentient snowman she created, so he's arguably her son and therefor a prince.
Marshmallow
- The Stinger implies that he (or she) is still out there in the wilderness somewhere, and may have grown less aggressive, but is probably still shy of humans due to the state of mind Elsa was in when she created him/her. Long after the events of the movie, travelers occasionally return from the mountains with stories of encountering a giant snow beast, but are seldom believed due to lack of evidence. note
- Handsome, rich, charismatic, amoral, and very good at Xanatos Speed Chess...
- As the trolls said,We’re not saying you can change him, ‘cuz people don’t really change,We’re only saying that love’s a force that’s powerful and strangePeople make bad choices if they’re mad, or scared, or stressedThrow a little love their way, and you’ll bring out their best
- Probably, although one should avoid Unfortunate Implications what that could be. Hans does have certain qualities to recommend him- he's very bright, highly motivated, certainly capable of courage- and perhaps it would make him and everyone else happier if they were channelled for the greater good, rather than the 'bad choices' that apparently come out of anger from his dysfunctional background. One just has to remember that Bulda also said people don't really change...
- Alternatively, Hans is cold and unfeeling because- unlike Elsa- he successfully trained himself (perhaps because it would be much more quickly evident that his power was a serious problem) to have an extremely shallow emotional affect, so he has no Power Incontinence problems, if indeed he can even use them at all now. Which suggests what a horrible mistake Elsa was making in thinking the answer was 'don't feel'! Hans really doesn't feel and, unlike her, he really is a monster.
- I like this theory.
- Me too, and this related to the theory way above that Frozen takes place after "The Snow Queen".
- Plausible, given that the 'cure' for the mirror shards is either true love or the tears of someone who truly loves you, and both Hans and Word of God states that his childhood was loveless, meaning that there'd be no-one who could cure him and possibly no-one who'd even notice the change in behavior caused by the shards. (Given his ability to deceive others, that might have been the case anyway.)
- Beyond that, if he were really that miserable in childhood, he could have unknowingly invited them in. He could have made a heartfelt wish to stop the rejection making him feel so unhappy... and ended up unable to feel almost anything but bitter contempt.
- Would explain why he shrugs off the 'invisibility' thing when it horrifies Anna.
- Beyond that, if he were really that miserable in childhood, he could have unknowingly invited them in. He could have made a heartfelt wish to stop the rejection making him feel so unhappy... and ended up unable to feel almost anything but bitter contempt.
- To add to this theory, being in close proximity to Anna's act of true love started to thaw Hans' frozen heart too, and his bafflement at Anna's recovery was the start of his Villainous BSoD. (Well, assuming it wasn't caused by repeated head injuries.)
- Alternatively, a member of Hans' family, a parent or brother (possibly both,) had a few mirror shards put in them. Hence why they treated Hans so coldly throughout his life.
- Leading onto that, perhaps the shards of ice are a genetic thing? As the next child is born, the shards grow smaller but remain permanently. However, they can grow bigger if love is withdrawn from the person-which would explain Hans's behaviour and resentment towards his brothers. And it could also make a person into a sociopath. Combine that with a desire to impress his siblings and gain respect, and you have Hans.
- Even spares are royal, and if one goes missing or turns up dead on a diplomatic errand, especially in the wake of a widespread, hard-to-hide supernatural occurrence like this eternal winter, there would definitely be a lot of questions asked, even if there's no actual fondness for Hans. The only people who know the truth about what happened are all invested in Arendelle, have no proof, and wouldn't be without bias if they were thought to be lying (plus one is a snowman who happened to be accidentally animated by a possible suspect, so...). Sending Hans back alive and letting his family deal with it was the best option.
- "The so-called fraternal birth order effect is small: Each older brother increases the chances by 33%. Assuming the base rate of homosexuality among men is 2%, it would take 11 older brothers to give the next son about a 50-50 chance of being gay." And you have how many brothers again, Hans?
- He could be bisexual, as a reference to Hans Christen Anderson.
- After Anna unfreezes, Hans says in disbelief, "But she froze your heart!" to Anna. Perhaps the subtext is, "She froze your heart. Why the hell would you save her from me?" It shows that he doesn't grasp the concept of wholesome sibling relationships.
- Honestly, it wouldn't be too unbelievable to think that, especially in a royal family. In history, killing off people above you in the succession line was pretty much to be expected, and considering how Anna was complaining about Elsa and they'd just had a fight, he would probably think she would be okay with it.
- Real life royalty and nobility pre-birth control often had a significant number of children, but still, 13 sons and God knows how many daughters is a lot for one woman to bear, especially in the days before modern medicine. It's just as likely that Hans's mother was one of his father's mistresses.
- If Hans's father had multiple mistresses, that would basically say that Hans may have only had two or three full-blooded brothers (sharing a mother and father). Many fanfics actually like to go with the idea that the rest of Hans's brothers would be half-brothers at most, all sharing a womanizing father, and he just refers to them as if they were full-blooded brothers because he likes rounding up.
- The twelve older brothers are ahead of Hans in the line of succession- he's very clear about that- so if we're going by realistic standards of any European monarchy of the period, they would have to be born legitimate- if their mother was anyone other than the king's legal wife they wouldn't count in terms of inheritance. You have to remember that this issue of legitimacy was the real-life reason why Queen Victoria ascended to the throne of England instead of any of her uncle's children. However it's still possible that they had different mothers- widowed fathers with young families- and thanks to the mortality rate of childbirth there were a lot of those- usually tried to give their kids a stepmother, which may well mean he had more children. (And if those poor queens of the Southern Isles were having daughters as well as thirteen sons between them, it would be little wonder if they were worn to exhaustion as babymaking machines... the family might even have been born over several decades.)
- Does that mean that he's the "Man in the Mirror"?
- Hans: "Oh Anna, if only there was someone out there who loved you."
- Actually, in Real Life Andersen claimed to have modelled the Snow Queen on the very famous (and very emotionally troubled) Swedish opera singer Jenny Lind (the 'Swedish Nightingale'), who rejected him romantically. If you look up Lind's life and character: ashamed all her life of being illegitimate, rather lost her childhood at about seven when she was pushed out to perform as a child prodigy, upsetting family upheavals in her teens, too shy to be happy in the opera, a Heroic BSoD at 23 when she had to pull out of public life for a year... that the Snow Queen gets an adaptational rehabilitation as Elsa is a hilarious Genius Bonus.
- Or he wrote The Snow Queen to get a little revenge against his brothers for ignoring him. He was the mirror and the school of trolls who created the mirror were his brothers.
- I suppose that he still has a shred of humanity in him. He also wants to be an adored ruler, so he certainly won't be launching wars unless otherwise. And of course he could finally have the power he craved, the respect he never had and the love that he never got in the first place.
- In A Frozen Heart, Hans does have some humanity within him, as he genuinely does care for his mother and his brother Lars. But he lets his Daddy Issues poison his mind.
- Hans seems to have a thing about wearing other, better, perhaps more balanced personalities (like his method-acting at his first meeting with Anna, carrying on the act behind her back.) Living his fantasies of various ideal selves- but maybe especially the one of being a Beowulf-esque hero king- means so much to him he's prepared to do horrifying things to build a world where he doesn't have to step out of them. It does tie in with the Word of God that Hans has serious rejection issues (that is the usual pattern for someone who wants massive public adulation).
- To take this further, it's entirely possible that had Anna's heart not been struck by ice, Hans would have played the perfect prince for the rest of his life, and never betrayed Arendelle. Even if he is a psychopath, he is still capable of intellectually understanding right and wrong, and he could easily be smart enough to realize that playing The Wise Prince would have netted him the best possible outcome. So up until the almost-kiss, he was genuinely planning to be a good suitor and husband to Anna. But then he ran up against the one thing that he could not fool: magic itself. He could fake love brilliantly, but he could not genuinely feel it. And so, as he could not save Anna, he rewrote his entire plan on the spot (that's why his plan seemed somewhat sloppy thereafter, he was making it up in seconds). Being a psychopath, he might very well not have seen why his plans thereafter were wrong.
- As their countries definitely seem to be next-door neighbors (for a start, English seems to be the first language of Arendelle, Weselton, and the Southern Isles), it wouldn't be surprising if the families had intermarried many generations ago.
- Them being even first cousins probably wouldn't in itself be an obstacle to their marriage, for royal families of this period, though it's the kind of detail they should probably have at least checked first.
- More importantly it actually gives a bit more strength to the authority he assumes when Anna leaves him as regent (which is otherwise extremely tenuous - they haven't even established or announced the engagement yet and even if they were married, Prince Consorts don't automatically have most of the rights he seems to think he has.) If he's related to the established family, even tenuously, it makes a little more sense of why the country seems to accept him so readily.
- She's extremely short with him at the coronation, to the point of very un-regal rudeness, when she finds out he proposed to Anna behind her back. Later, when stuff got serious and he has her in shackles in prison, she still doesn't want to talk to him - despite wanting Anna kept away, whatever she does have to say she only wants to say to Anna, not the man she still assumes is her sister's lover.
- Sure, the fact that she tells him to 'take care of' Anna at the end - more or less consent to the marriage - means she has no idea quite how bad he is - but then, in their circles a politically-motivated marriage is probably only a morally grey thing, and many people who marry for money or status of both sexes can make reasonably dutiful spouses and yet not be the least bit murderous.
- Perhaps, as a cryomancer, Elsa could sense the frozen heart under Han's mask. But since she was still inexperienced with her powers (and hadn't encountered a frozen heart in a long time), she didn't realize what it was she was sensing. So she knew there was something wrong with Hans, but not what it was.
- The business of 'pretending he was invisible'- it wasn't systematic bullying, it was psychosis.
- Fits with a wide assumption that Hans is or has been in the Navy. Sailors at the time usually learned to look after their clothes, and Hans is a Sharp-Dressed Man for most of his scenes.
- Seemingly confirmed by one of the official coloring books.
- For a heroic character- or any other- to hit someone like that without it being in immediate self-defence is rare in a Disney film. It might have only got a pass because it's the only obvious comeuppance Hans gets (his actual fate is left open to interpretation). To show whether Anna inflicted actual injury or not might have been felt to be too much emphasis on violence for kids.
- My money is on one of his brothers, probably the eldest, who's likely a Magnificent Bastard. His brothers are more present than their parents, and it's not uncommon for siblings to play larger roles than parents in the lives of younger siblings, especially if the parents are distant, busy, or otherwise absent, ex. royals. While his famous line could come from an abusive parent, it sounds a lot like something an elder sibling might say to a younger sibling, a crueler version of the "You're really adopted!" taunt. It wasn't his mother he heard it from, it was his oldest brother."Oh, Hans... If only there was someone out there who loved you."
- Supported by the fact that he only took off one of his gloves in that scene. If we take "removing gloves" as "revealing one's true self" symbolism, then we've only seen one layer below his mask and there's another side to him we still haven't seen yet. Also when Elsa lost one glove she revealed the "monstrous" side of herself to everyone at the party and she didn't truly become herself until she took off the other glove and let go of her fears. In the sequel Hans will lose both his gloves and we'll finally see his real self.
- Considering Hans has been compared to the mirror from the Snow Queen and he simply reflects what people want to see, he's probably doing the same for himself. He's reflecting his brothers or possibly his father, someone he thinks is the ideal king. Should someone point this out to him, he'd probably comment on how when he looks at his own reflection and doesn't know what he sees.
Elsa freaks out after being touched and responds by plunging her own kingdom into an ice age. Then, instead of helping her own subjects in their hour of need she abandons them in a massive tantrum. Anna is almost as bad. After Elsa froze up her own kingdom and bolted, the responsibility over the people transfers to Princess Anna, but what does she do? She runs off to try to talk Elsa into thawing the kingdom after spending barely a minute thinking about immediate problems, dumping the crown on a stranger she just met that day. Just about any other person in the city would have made a more responsible choice to guide the kingdom through this recent crisis.
Prince Hans is left with the responsibility of helping the citizens of the kingdom not die horribly in this instant Ice age and for what we know, he does this job with admirable responsibility and swiftness. He is acting with the kind of care a responsible ruler should act. How many people did he save from a freezing death? Then Prince Hans becomes worried about Anna and mounts a rescue mission. He still acts all fine and heroic, even talks Elsa out of becoming a monster - in full contradiction to the opportunistic-throne-snatcher-story. It is only after Hans returns to the city that he reveals he wants both Anna and Elsa dead and himself on the throne.
What if Hans changing his act had nothing to do with being power hungry usurper? Maybe he just learned the true extent of the death toll of Elsa's Endless Winter to the kingdom, saw the mountains of frozen corpses people had dug up from the snow in the mean time and decided that Elsa and Anna were thoroughly incompetent as rulers. Maybe he thought that Elsa and Anna were both uncaring, neglectful narcissists who didn't care about their own subjects' suffering one bit and decided that the kingdom would be better off without them. Hans's claim to Anna that he wanted the throne may have been simply his attempt to spare dying Anna's feelings before she died. There was no need for him to reveal her, what a horrible ruler he thought she was. Let her die thinking that he was just being a selfish jerk after the throne. Let her think that she is just an innocent victim rather than a terrible threat to the kingdom that needs to be eliminated for the good of the people. She doesn't need to know, how many mothers cry in the city over their corpsicle children. This also explains why Hans neglects to get married with Anna and thus insert himself to the succession of the crown before her death. He doesn't really care about the throne at this point.
Once Anna is dead, Hans can put Elsa on trial for her atrocities counting on her guilt to prevent her from murdering the court. For all we know Hans might not even have cared for the throne for himself, although saving the kingdom from a mass-murdering ice witch may have led to the noblemen to elect him to the throne. However, when Anna and Elsa break free and defeat Hans, the budding revolution withers. Anyone wishing for revolution quiets down in fear and no one dares to protest further the continuation of Elsa's reign of terror, happy songs and casual mass murder.
- A common theory is that he was born with hidden magical powers. Many fanfics depict him having Pyrokinesis as a stark contrast to Elsa's cryokinesis, and as a result, his family treated him like a monster.
- Maternal Death? Blame the Child! is also common in many fanfics, as Hans is usually blamed by his family for being responsible for the queen's death despite the fact that it was not.
- It's also possible that they bullied him for no reason other than being ineffectual. This is the reason in A Frozen Heart.
- Another theory is that his father was cursed by a sorceress, foretelling that his 13th child will be responsible for his downfall, causing him and his 12 older sons to endlessly bully Hans.
- A way to make greater use of this theory is if there is a surprise via Prophecy Twist. The prediction did not outright declare Hans would cause his father's downfall, but vaguely warn how "one of his sons would betray him," which would ruin the king. When Hans did something as a boy — rebel with serious repercussions, manifest powers, be involved in his mother's death, etc. — the king believed he had found the future traitor and instigated the bullying of his youngest in retribution. During the climax of Frozen 2, it will be revealed that he was mistaken: The abuse he suffered ensured Hans was never on the king's side to begin with, and therefore cannot "betray" him. One of Hans' older brothers double-crosses their father and ends his tyranny for good.
- Perhaps that traitor could be Lars?
- What if Hans's birthday was marred by a bad incident, such as famines, a poor harvest, or an invasion by a neighboring kingdom? Though not responsible for said incident, he was tagged with it for the rest of his life. As a result, his family despised and ill-treated him until he decided to become a villain. Being 13th in line, his father's subjects thought he was Born Unlucky, as everything went wrong when he was born.
- Being that his people believed in superstitions despite changing times, it's possible they assumed Hans' birth was a bad omen, one that would serve as the catalyst for a dark chain of events.
- Some fanfics depict his family and possibly his kingdom's subjects wanting to have a baby girl after 12 sons, but instead, they got a baby boy, causing them to tag him as the "mistake who wasn't meant to be born" or an "extra mouth they did not want to feed."
- A combination of these factors?
- Alternate theory: Hans's entire reason for wanting to marry into the Arendelle family line was to secretly escape the inevitable uprising.
- Another theory: Hans, realizing his actions in Arendelle became the catalyst for a civil war in the Southern Isles, secretly slips to the United States after breaking out of prison, as the insurrection in his homeland has created great political instability in Europe, becomes wealthy thanks to the gold mining rush in California, and his descendants eventually became prominent in the development of San Fransokyo in later years - leading to the theory that Fred of Big Hero 6 descended from him. Elsa and company are unaware of his whereabouts, as it's possible he may have died or became Karma Houdini.
- This could be an explanation for the King's temperament. He feels the need to compensate for his lack of "pure royal blood" by ruling the Southern Isles and his family as an iron-fisted authoritarian.
- Another theory is that he was spoiled too much by his parents, thinking that he decided he wanted a better life because of his ego, and so, he betrayed everyone he knew and manipulated his way to being a ruler so he can have the riches and power he thinks he deserves. If the king had any siblings, it's possible he may have rubbed them out so there won't be any obstacle to his power-hungry quest to success.
- It's possible that his siblings were favored by their parents, which causes him to be Driven by Envy and jealousy, and so, he killed them in various ways so he'll be elevated to the throne much quicker.
- That either of the bodyguards is one Hans' family would be odd, unless they're bastard descendants of the Southern Isles' ruling family or distant cousins.
- It would hardly be surprising if most, if not all, of the major royal characters have some common ancestry, if the kingdoms are implied to be close together and share some common language and heritage. It was usually the way for monarchies of states thus connected to constantly marry their children to one another, when they weren't actually at war with each other- by the start of WWI most of the monarchs of Protestant Europe were at least distant cousins. And remember how many of Queen Victoria's children married into other ruling families. Another WMG entry also suggested that Hans could be distantly related to Anna and Elsa as a second or even third cousin.
- Well he would have to be, he's after trade, not taxes.
- Both highly ranked noblemen and sovereigns would have good reasons to care about trade.
- If not the monarch himself, 'Duke' is often a title bestowed on the monarch's close family: a king's younger brother, or a Queen Regent's husband (or given his advanced years, the monarch's uncle, or widower of a Queen Regent whose adult son is now king).
- This is almost certainly coincidence (only spotted due to a verbal slip) but the Duke of Weselton is probably very close in age to the The Duke of Wellington, who was Prime Minister of England for a short time within a reasonable timeframe for Frozen. (Not that apart from his age, rank and taste in uniforms and boots does this Duke have anything else in common with said six-foot stoic.)
- Not for long, given how badly he screwed up relations with Arendelle at the worst possible time. If he were merely the foreign minister he could be thrown under the wagon to avoid a no-confidence vote, but with him in charge, his party is a write-off for the next decade at best.
The trolls have the power to know everything about you by looking at you. And they give super cryptic hints about everything.
In the opening of the movie, King Agdar takes young Anna and Elsa to the trolls, and Grand Pabbie immediately knew that he was the king, Anna had a shard of ice in her brain, and Elsa had ice powers. There was no questioning done, he just knew these things. He then told the King that fear was going to be Elsa's worst enemy, which the king takes to mean other people being afraid of Elsa, but what the troll meant was Elsa's fear of her own powers.
Which brings us to later in the film, and "Fixer Upper". At the start of the song the trolls just assume that Kristoff brought Anna home to meet them so they go into the tradition of families everywhere by embarrassing him in front of his date.
That is, UNTIL he tells them she's engaged to someone else. Then they all use their power to look at her for the first time to figure out what she's doing there.
The next verse is about how Anna needs to Murder the Hypotenuse, which would be a SUPER rude thing to say to someone, especially someone you just met. But the trolls know he's evil, so they're telling her to get rid of him "Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed". Sure, Elsa refused to let Anna marry someone she just met and Kristoff was outright incredulous that Anna got engaged to someone she just met, but they seemed to be telling her 'get to know him better' where the trolls outright say 'dump this guy right now'.
The next line is 'We're not saying you can change him 'cuz people don't really change' sung to Anna. At first it would seem that this line is about Kristoff, but why would Anna want to change anything about Kristoff? I think this line is about Hans, and it’s the trolls way of saying 'Don't stay in a relationship with him after you learn he's evil, it won't do any good'. The trolls can't see the future, just everything about your own past.
After that you get the lines 'We're only saying that love's a force that's powerful and strange. People make bad choices if they're mad or scared or stressed, throw a little love their way and you'll bring out their best'. This and the next verse is their advice about Elsa. Anna needs to forgive her for being a jerk on top of the mountain, and the only way to end the eternal winter is to make Elsa feel love - the selfless act of love Anna does for her at the end.
Finally the song ends with a rushed marriage between Kristoff and Anna. The trolls were never serious about this; they just wanted to drive home the point of how silly it is to marry someone you just met to Anna.
Then Grand Pabbie comes out again and gives Anna some more cryptic advice because they can never tell things straight. But they know things.
- I always thought (and Headscratchers has more) that Grand Pabbie and the other trolls recognized Agdar because his face is plastered all over Arendelle's currency, currency that people might have given the trolls as payment for spells or something they dropped while running away in pants-pissing terror after the rocks came to life.
- This would also explain why that troll immediately took in Kristoff at first glance without asking if he has parents; upon looking at him, she could tell he was an orphan.
- I agree, King Agdar and Queen Idun respond by going to a very logical starting place. Their first instinct is, "We've got to minimize the number of people who have knowledge of Elsa's powers, and minimize Elsa's exposure to other people, especially Anna, until she learns to control her powers." Elsa losing control of her powers and the people turning against her is a pretty legitimate and very risky threat and, as the individual actions that the Duke of Weselton and Hans take during the main plot, one that almost happens for real when she's exposed. It just isn't the only problem. No one intends for Elsa to remain locked away living in fear and self loathing. That is Elsa's own doing, by misunderstanding herself and her powers and her parents dying before they really can figure things out. Agdar is even shown trying to help her contain her powers, but even he is eventually pushed away by Elsa.
- While Agdar and Idun take the logical first step, it is because of the rapid deterioration of Elsa's mental health, as a result of her horror and trauma from what happened to Anna, that that first step forward turns into a hundred steps backwards. They create a 'safe space' for Elsa to learn in; unfortunately for everyone else, Elsa barricades herself into that safe space, mentally and, as much as she can, physically.
- This explains a lot of new subtext for "Do You Want To Build a Snowman," such as the "I'm scared! It's getting stronger!" scene: notice how Agdar tries to reach out to Elsa to comfort her, but her instinctive reaction is to back away, saying, "No! Don't touch me! Please. I don't want to hurt you!"
- While Agdar and Idun take the logical first step, it is because of the rapid deterioration of Elsa's mental health, as a result of her horror and trauma from what happened to Anna, that that first step forward turns into a hundred steps backwards. They create a 'safe space' for Elsa to learn in; unfortunately for everyone else, Elsa barricades herself into that safe space, mentally and, as much as she can, physically.
- Dey grow em big up dere doncha know. Could easily be his eldest son.
- Well we don't see a wife. And note that it isn't unusual for a family to go to the sauna all together in Scandinavia, both male and female members of the family (at least where this troper lives) so that isn't a definite reason for her not to be there. (Of course it could be that it was just too crowded in the sauna. It seems to be a large family.)
- There's plausible deniability in genetics; since Oaken is blonde (or at least dirty strawberry blonde), he can have a blonde kid (the large fellow) if the mother is brunette (with a blonde recessive gene - there is a smaller lady at the side of the tub who is a brunette). This leads to a fascinating WMG, which is that Disney put this in there to troll the inevitable culture-warriors with nothing better to do by putting a family in there that would cater to *any* interpretation, thematic, logical, scientific, or "I'm batshit desperate for copy and need talking points for Fox News by five this afternoon."
- Zig-zagged. Like Rapunzel, Anna is very naive, enlists an attractive loner to help her (with whom she falls in love), and talks in an anachronistic manner. However, her naiveté has harsher consequences.
Also, "See you in two weeks."
- Given that this is clearly Europe, and how European royalty went, even if they're not sisters there is inevitably a tremendous degree of relation. They're just lucky that their physical trademark of royalty is prettier than a Habsburg Chin.
- As seen here.
- Probably jossed as of Tangled: The Series, where it's revealed that Queen Arianna has a sister and it's clear that they don't have any other siblings. Although the writers of the movies aren't obligated to stick to what the show establishes.
- It's 19th century monarchy in the Germanic-language speaking part of Europe, in real life a lot of the royalty of that region were related multiple times.
- Even though the creators of Tangled initially said it takes place in the late 18th-century, the presence of books such as The Little Mermaid actually do suggest that the movie takes place more in the timeline of Frozen. So maybe that initial 1700's time-period statement has been Retconned?
- Addition to this:
- Gerda and Kai took it upon themselves to look after Elsa and Anna after the King and Queen drowned.
- Actually Kai is visible in the background of a shot just before the King and Queen's deaths. But he could have been hired because he'd met an ice-witch before and so he and his wife Gerda were in the family's confidence about Elsa's condition. He certainly seems to have a broad and flexible brief (though this might just be because there are so few staff).
- Bae (the reindeer who took Gerda to the Snow Queen's palace) is Sven's father.
- The evil troll who made the magic mirror is an outcast from the troll group after using evil magic (probably as a result of a Deal with the Devil, one version of the original tale has the mirror been made by the Devil). Which would explain why they seem to know a lot about Elsa's powers. The grandfather troll could even be the evil troll's brother.
- Related to this, the troll was the one who gave Elsa's power, but unintentionally. The troll originally meant to use a spell on Gerda and Kai, but the Prince and Princess got in the way, and somehow gave Elsa her abilities.
- Gerda and Kai took it upon themselves to look after Elsa and Anna after the King and Queen drowned.
- Kristoff is the son of the Robber Girl. She abandoned/left him with the Trolls as she and her family were on the run from the law and wanted her son to have a better life.
Kai and Gerda live somewhere on the outskirts of the kingdom, or in a neighboring kingdom. One day, the mysterious Snow Queen Elsa comes and takes Kai away. Gerda sees this happening but is too late to stop it, and nobody will tell her why this has happened. She comes to the conclusion that Queen Elsa must be evil and has kidnapped Kai, so she sets out to rescue him. Along the way she encounters the trolls, Olaf, Rapunzel and Flynn, and others who help her on her way. She eventually runs into Kristoff and Sven. Kristoff knows that Elsa isn't really evil, but plays along and brings Gerda to the palace anyway so she can find her friend. When they get there, Kai is there but he's acting cold and stoic instead of like a normal boy. It turns out that he was under some kind of wintery spell - maybe he developed the same powers as Elsa, maybe he got hit by a frost spell, maybe he got a shard of ice stuck in his heart - and Elsa took him away because she wanted to try and help him. Gerda's love and devotion ends up being the key to finally curing him, and they go home together.
- Disturbingly likely. Loneliness can make people do terrible things.
- Alternatively, the King and Queen were the Prince and Princess from the original story. See the theory way above.
- This could tie into the reason the King and Queen feared Elsa's powers; given prior experience with a snow-controlling woman, everyone may assume that Elsa's powers are in some way from the Snow Queen, either through an explicit curse or something more subtle, hence why everyone was so afraid of them (aside from Elsa and Anna) when there was no sign of Elsa being dangerous before Anna's accident.
- He's Ariel and Eric's son, but why wouldn't he mention that he has one sister in addition to twelve brothers, unless it's because he's a sexist Jerkass? And what does it say about Ariel's parenting skills that he turned out to be a bad seed? Or —
- Maybe he did mention his older sister but Anna missed that because of the huge number of brothers, or he never got a chance to before Anna cut him off? It doesn't say anything about Ariel's parenting skills if a few of her kids turns out to be a bit jerky, since including Melody, there's 13 of them. Unlike Anna, he didn't take this in stride because he had several big brother bullies. If Ariel and Eric don't know their sons are tormenting one another, there's nothing they can do, and if Hans doesn't voice his bitterness, it just consumes him.
- He's Eric's youngest brother. He got his red hair from his mother, and Eric was attracted to Ariel because of Like Parent, Like Spouse.
- This is (somewhat) backed up by the fact that Ariel herself comes from a huge family of 7 sisters and comes from a place where huge families are commonplace (fish). She could very well have wanted a huge family herself. The only snare is that Melody would be significantly older than the oldest brother because she doesn't have any during her movie.
- Also that The Little Mermaid takes place about three centuries earlier.
- Whoa. As soon as you look at Hans with the idea that there's a bit more fish in him than the average person... you can't un-see it...
- Also that The Little Mermaid takes place about three centuries earlier.
- Both of these movies (Frozen and The Little Mermaid) are based on stories written by Hans Christian Anderson, after all...
- There's no reason Ariel and Eric can't be part of this universe if Rapunzel and Eugene have cameos, especially since The Little Mermaid is also a HCA story like what Frozen is based on.
- Since The Little Mermaid take place in the 1500's, and Frozen takes place in the 1800's, maybe Elsa could know of them as distant ancestors.
- So Frozone's powers are magic-based?
- Alternatively, Elsa is the first waterbender
- Or the last.
The similarity and fit seems too great to be an accident. Thus, it must be by design. They knew it'd show up eventually, so they made it work well for it.
- Corrupted!Elsa would make for an awesome boss battle.
- Or even just Ice Queen Elsa. She was quite unstable already, and then she went over the edge because of the assassination attempt. Besides, Beast was a boss fight in Kingdom Hearts II because of his Xaldin-induced freak-out.
- Hell, if Elsa mistakenly thinks Sora's going to pull a trick like Hans's gold-digging, she is not going to put up with anyone trying that on her kingdom or her sister. Heck, Anna could be a terrifying boss battle or the sisters as a Dual Boss could also work.
- Bonus points if Anna is weak to the Blizzard element, having been nearly killed by it twice.
- Why go small? Maleficent recruits Hans. Since Hans is a sociopath, he can control the Heartless with ease. And if we want to throw in Tangled as well, have Maleficent revive Gothel and Sora has to deal with both of them.
- More bonus points if, during an Elsa boss fight, she has an attack that, if it hits Sora, doesn't actually do damage, but if Sora doesn't get healed within a few seconds, instant popsicle Game Over!
- A Boss Battle against a Heartless manifested by Elsa's fears would be awesome!
- It's pretty much a shoo-in for Kingdom Hearts III at this point. There's two reasons why a Frozen world would be beneficial for both franchises:
- Pandering to the Japanese fanbase. Frozen is enjoying Titanic-like success in Japan, which is also Kingdom Hearts' country of origin. This almost guarantees it a spot in the game.
- Helping to introduce more male fans to Frozen. Even if it's a Cast Full of Pretty Boys, an RPG video game has a much higher proportion of male fans than a Disney princess movie, so if Arendelle as a world is done awesomely then it'd succeed in winning them over.
- Status: CONFIRMED!!! Storybrooke, Maine is in for one nasty winter come Season 4
- Knowing the series Anna died and Elsa became closer to the Snow Queen of the book as a result.
- Snow White: Extra-ore-dinary. Her connection with dwarves.
- Cinderella: More than one. The Beastmaster, Casting a Shadow (most of wonders happen to her at night and spell ends on midnight) or Light'emUp- because Light Is Good and magic in first film is associated with stars.
- Aurora: Green Thumb and Fertile Feet.
- Ariel: Water because she's a mermaid and her father is a powerful sea king.
- Belle: Control over force-not Star Wars, but as in hit them extra strong.
- Jasmine: Sand because of her movie's desert theme.
- Pocahontas: Wind because of her free spirit and the wind motif throughout her movie.
- Mulan: Metal or Fire to represent her role in the military.
- Tiana: Earth because of her down-to-earth personality.
- Rapunzel: Sun, implied in the film itself with the sun flower.
- Merida: Fire because she's a rebellious Fiery Redhead.
- Anna: Fire/Summer or Plants/Spring because of her warm personality and to contrast her sister's Ice/Winter powers.
- Elsa: Ice/Winter. Obviously.
- Maleficent takes this further, co-opted the basic story idea of telling a famous tale from a villain's perspective and making the villain, who previously was unsympathetic, a misunderstood heroine. So now Disney has leveled a triple whammy against Wicked; unfortunately for them, "Let it Go" increased Idina Menzel's popularity to the point where audiences crave more, and a Wicked film starring her could easily take advantage of that.
- Maybe Disney took its inexplicable vendetta against Wicked so far that it invented a time machine and created a bunch of other adaptions of classic fantasy and fairy tale stories that explored the perspective of a previously villainous or antagonistic character and/or gave them a more heroic personality, which it published years before Wicked or even any version of The Wizard of Oz was released. That way, people seeing not just the film adaption, but the mega-popular stage musical or even reading the 1995 book will feel they've seen it before.
- Detailed here.
- And the first teaser for the sequel was released during the 2019 polar vortex... hmm...
- There's a long tradition in European-derived literature and thought of cold as evil and warm as good (for example, "cold-hearted" vs. "warm-hearted"), of which the villainous Snow Queen in the original story was an example. This makes sense for people who lived on a continent where nothing grew in the winter and the cold could be dangerous, but in the modern world, it can make it kind of strange to talk about warming temperatures and an end to winter as bad things. Frozen is an attempt to show that ice and winter can be beautiful and important if people can only accept them and realize their value. And instead of a villainous Snow Queen, the cold is associated with the sympathetic and positive character of Elsa.
On the other hand, Madeline fell in love and married a foreign commoner, Christopher O'Neill. As a Saami, Kristoff is technically a foreigner to Arendelle, and definitely a commoner; Christopher is born in England holds dual citizenship of US and UK and hence also a foreigner, refused the Swedish nationality and royal title when married the princess. And notice the similarity of their names yet?
- And when Elsa reaches the fiery gates, the time will finally come for Hell to literally freeze over!
- Except that the lowest level of Hell is frozen over.
- The Moon has a connection to the tides, so it gives Sea Power.
- Mars is a desert planet, so it gives Sand Power.
- Mercury is a barren world, so it would give Stone Power.
- Venus is basically uber-Mordor, so it gives Fire Power.
- Neptune might give Rain Power.
- Uranus might give Wind Power. And I just realised what I've done.
- Comets, meteors and mayne dwarf planets might give Metal Power because they're a promising source of metal ores.
- And the stars and constellations themselves probably give some sort of undefined Star Power that's either All Your Powers Combined or a random one of the other Powers turned up to eleven.
Now with the upcoming 3D Blu-ray release, I wouldn't be surprised if they transferred all the extras from the standard release while adding in the commentary, art gallery, and even the ABC documentary "The Story of Frozen".
In addition to the fact that Jane Austen fan fiction, sequels, and parodies are rampant these days, the Frozen story has many parallels to Sense and Sensibility, whether the writers meant that to be true or not. The stories don't have a perfect 1:1 relationship, but consider these similarities:
- Elsa = Elinor Dashwood. They have similar names and similar personalities. Elsa is the least emotion-driven of the two Frozen sisters, and arguably the more intelligent. (A deleted song has Anna describing her as "the scholar, athlete, [and] poet.") Both Elsa and Elinor are accused of being cold and unfeeling even though they feel deeply; they just don't feel safe expressing those emotions. With Elinor, it's because her time period restricts her expression, but with Elsa, it's because she knows becoming emotional unleashes hurtful ice powers. Elinor, like Elsa, also chastises sister Marianne for improper behavior such as becoming quickly romantically attached to a man she barely knows.
- Anna = Marianne Dashwood. Anna, like Marianne, is more emotion-driven, reckless, and sanguine. Like Marianne, she is desperate to be loved and experience all the headiness of romance, but sometimes at the expense of good sense or even her health. Anna doesn't understand why Elsa would shut her out, just as Marianne doesn't understand why Elinor won't reveal anything she's feeling.
- Kristoff = Colonel Brandon. He's quieter and less flashy than Prince Hans, but he's also reliable and steady. His presence helps Anna mature, just as Colonel Brandon's presence helps Marianne mature.
- Prince Hans = Willoughby. Anna believes she loves him, and he is quite romantic and dashing. Yet, he ends up breaking her heart and nearly causing her death.
- Duke of Weaselton (WESSELTON!) = John Dashwood Jr. He is determined to take Arendelle from Elsa and Anna, just as Elinor and Marianne's half-brother John was determined to keep them bankrupt after their father's death.
At least one major plot point matches up as well:
- Marianne's disastrous walk in the garden, which lands her with a serious fever and nearly kills her, matches up with Anna's nearly fatal frozen heart. It also matches up because like Marianne, it is not until Anna is deathly ill that she discovers Hans, her Willoughby, is a real cad. Of course, in Sense and Sensibility, Marianne discovered this earlier, but her illness really helped her get over Willoughby.
- If Hans does make a Heel–Face Turn and stays in Arendelle, he'd be a good Audience Surrogate for learning about the country and it's traditions.
- They could adapt some of the stories from the chapter books.
- Maybe they could even have a crossover special with Tangled: The Series like Aladdin: The Series and Hercules: The Animated Series did!
- Works on SO many levels:
- "The wind is howling like the swirling storm inside..." (TMI?)
- "Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried."
- "Can't hold it back anymore."
- "Turn away and slam the door!" (i.e. "clear the room, people!")
- "I don't care what they're going to say!"
- "Let the storm rage on..."
- "I am one with the wind..."
- "The perfect girl is gone!" (maybe she got blown away?)
- Yes, even Olaf.
- Actually, that does make sense, given he was born from Elsa's desires (the sun, Summer, be close to her sister, et cetera)
- Well, that's just basic literary analysis, isn't it? (Speaking as the guy who posted the Oaken instance of this.)
- Why "even Olaf"? There's no indication that he'd be straight so it's not really a weird suggestion. Anna and Kristoff, on the other hand, seem rather heterosexual (although they could be bi too), so they are the ones who are harder to argue being gay. (Though not impossible! They could be heteroromantic, for example. Or confusing friendship with romance due to social expectations.) The former King and Queen are easier to explain, since theirs could easily have been a marriage of convenience: they seem to be a happy family and to love each other but we can't know if they were in love with each other.
1. Tiana is the first African American princess, the most modern Disney princess, and the first official Disney Princess since 1998. Disney wants to draw in a new target demographic, and expressed regret that they did not draw in a good male audience, leading to an effort to capitalize on branding Flynn in Tangled.
2. The last four princesses have all been animated in CGI rather than Disney's typical style of 2D animation. Disney has played a lot recently with special effects in these movies, and the result is pretty good. The fact that Brave is a Pixar movie, however, may or may not mean that Merida will be left out of this new direction.
3. The princes in The Princess and the Frog, Tangled and Brave all started out as being jerks. This could be some type of theme, or it could not be. Besides the fact that this goes directly against Disney's past standards, Hans is a subversion of this line of thinking, so this isn't my strongest argument. At least until the end of course!
4. Disney has two live action movies slated for the next two years, Maleficent and Cinderella, both of which are reduxes of Princesses they've already covered. These movies will probably retcon in events tying together the older set of Disney Princess movies. Maleficent will be told from the POV of the villain as well, which may prove to be good in terms of theory storytelling. They may also prove to be a good chance to tie in with the movie Enchanted.
5. See the WMG above on the Rapunzel cameo, as well as this link to the site, current home of Pixar Theory discussion. This is why I believe Frozen to be the birth of Princess theory, because it is the first obvious effort to tie multiple princesses to the same universe. The fact that they are so close together in the timeline also hints that they may be part of a certain subset.
6. Pixar Theory itself seems to be waning. Monsters University was a prequel that lent nothing to the greater timeline. Planes was created by John Lassiter, but was handed off to Disney Toon Studios. There is no Pixar movie slated for this year, and the next two, from what we know so far, just don't seem to fit. The Good Dinosaur is explicitly stated to be in an alternate dimension, which actually may hurt Pixar Theory in general. Unless they do work out, I think we can safely assume that Brave was the last of Pixar's great vision (which makes sense, seeing as it was decided to be the first and last movie in the timeline).
- If Elsa does not reshape 'Marshmallow' into her decoy, then he/she/it gets to be The Dragon.
- And yes, all the citizenry will be in on it. There will be some disappointment when Elsa has to remove the ice skating rink in time for Arendelle's population to hold a parade in "honor" of the hero, and keeping straight faces will be a challenge.
- According to a tweet of Jennifer Lee's, it was Hans who had the manacles made.
- Why would they be custom-made manacles? Prisoners come in all different sizes and you can't predict the hand-size of a difficult one- it makes more sense for them to be adjustable when unlocked. Ordinary handcuffs can adjust to fit almost any human wrist.
- If anyone made those manacles for Elsa they weren't very good at the job, seeing as they warped and broke almost immediately under... pretty much exactly the conditions they would have been intended for.
- The "prison cell" was aboard a boat. Most likely Han's boat.
- No it wasn't. Ever seen a boat made out of stone?
- It was probably just a regular cell that she was thrown into, not custom made for her unlike the manacles. Which is probably why she managed to escape so quickly after getting out of said manacles.
- It was a regular cell where political prisoners are most likely held.
- It may not have been built for Elsa, but for someone earlier in her family's lineage who had similar powers.
- Jennifer Lee said "personally, I think Hans had them made, 'just in case.'"
- There's no indication they're custom-made. Prisoners come in all different sizes and you can't predict the hand-size of a difficult one- it makes more sense for them to be adjustable when unlocked. Ordinary handcuffs can adjust to fit almost any human wrist.
- If anyone made those manacles for Elsa they weren't very good at the job, seeing as they warped and broke almost immediately under... pretty much exactly the conditions they would have been intended for.
- It was probably just a regular cell that she was thrown into, not custom made for her unlike the manacles. Which is probably why she managed to escape so quickly after getting out of said manacles.
- It was a regular cell where political prisoners are most likely held.
- It may not have been built for Elsa, but for someone earlier in her family's lineage who had similar powers.
The only problem is that she seems to have a wide range of abilities even after suppressing them for more than a decade. As Augustine tells Delsin during their final battle, right after he copies her concrete powers, it takes years to focus and strengthen a Conduit's powers; Delsin (and Cole, incidently, at least in this timeline) only developed their powers due to their exposure to Ray Field energy (Cole's powers were activated specifically BECAUSE of his exposure, Delsin's manifested naturally but were never seen because he'd never met another Conduit). It's entirely possible that Elsa was exposed to a large amount of Ray Field energy when she was a child (it would have to be, as she already expresses an amazing amount of control over her powers that early) or she could just be a gifted Conduit like the Cole from the original timeline (alias Kessler). It would certainly explain how she got her powers if no one else in her family has any abilities, as the Conduit gene's distribution is seemingly random.
- And not just any Conduit, she's the ancestor of Lucy Kuo.
- Well, it obviously serves as a push towards metahuman openess: Look at all the harm that came from Elsa hiding her powers! She meant well, and her parents just wanted to protect her, but it ultimately put Elsa and everyone around her in even more danger; wouldn't it have been better for everyone to know about Elsa's power from the start? And shouldn't the people around her have the right to know about her abilities? Boy, it sure makes anyone who'd try to keep their special powers secret look like they really have something to hide...
- When the movie came out, Rogue ruined her chair by gripping the armrests too hard. Thor just bawled through the entire movie, then went to find Loki, hug him, and never let go.
- The same logic is applicable to say that they probably intended to tell Anna about Elsa's powers once they thought Anna had come of age.
- It's logical that her adult clothes are more elaborate than her childhood clothes- she's going to have them for longer now that her physical growth has stopped.
1. Anna, Sven, and Kristoff surviving the fall off the cliff, implying that they live in a world without fall damage, much like Sugar Rush.
2. The sudden cold weather seems to have no impact upon the health or well-being of any of the citizens of Arendelle, perhaps because they are NPCs that lack health to lose.
3. Hans is seemingly immune to fire, which is often not too devastating to many video game characters, and is even wielded as a weapon by certain ones.
4. The designs of the characters seem to have a style slightly resembling Nintendo characters, with the big heads and big eyes (so much so that people often mistake Elsa and Rosalina for each other).
5. Elsa undoing all the snow and ice is very similar to the Reset Button at the end of Wreck-It Ralph.
Just too many video game tropes exist in this movie for the possibility not to exist that it is indeed a video game. Not saying it is definite or even probable, but it's not impossible.
- Elsa's magic comes from her being an Incarnate, and the trolls are a subspecies of Sharl. Olaf and Marshmallow are like Prims created by Elsa.