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[[WMG:Elsa's descendant will be [[Franchise/XMen Bobby Drake. AKA Iceman]]]]

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[[WMG:Elsa's descendant will be [[Franchise/XMen [[ComicBook/XMen Bobby Drake. AKA Iceman]]]]
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** When she punches [[spoiler: Hans]] off the boat, he arches backwards.

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** When she punches [[spoiler: Hans]] [[spoiler:Hans]] off the boat, he arches backwards.



[[WMG: Alternatively Anna has had military training.]]

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[[WMG: Alternatively [[WMG:Alternatively Anna has had military training.]]



During the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, policies turned more toward containing what population of trolls remained in the kingdom that became Norway, since the monarch who ordered the policy is long dead, and since the trolls have lost the ability to dispense terrible wisdom. This, of course, competes with an attitude that is still generally destructive, leading to [[spoiler: troll-hunter Hans being forced to wipe out an entire population to assist in the construction of a tunnel]]. Regardless of any policy attempting to keep them alive, however, it seems likely that the trolls will eventually die out due to their stupidity.

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During the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, policies turned more toward containing what population of trolls remained in the kingdom that became Norway, since the monarch who ordered the policy is long dead, and since the trolls have lost the ability to dispense terrible wisdom. This, of course, competes with an attitude that is still generally destructive, leading to [[spoiler: troll-hunter [[spoiler:troll-hunter Hans being forced to wipe out an entire population to assist in the construction of a tunnel]]. Regardless of any policy attempting to keep them alive, however, it seems likely that the trolls will eventually die out due to their stupidity.



In the 2009 re-imagining of the first ''Silent Hill'', the player character (Harry Mason) is revealed to be [[spoiler: a manifestation of the tormented psyche of his daughter, Cheryl, who has been controlling (to some extent) both his actions and the environment as she comes to terms with his death in a car crash]].

Distinct similarities exist between the worlds that Cheryl's father explores and the one created by Elsa in ''Frozen''. While the climate of the region where most of the ''Silent Hill'' games are set (Maine) would obviously allow for winter weather in the middle of the winter, the snow that falls on the town in ''Shattered Memories'' is exceptionally heavy. In addition, it appears to have fallen since Cheryl [[spoiler: arrived for her appointment with Dr. Kauffman]], because there would be no way for a person to travel if it hadn't. In some places, it is piled up over the road to a height of around ten feet. While this could be accepted as [[spoiler: just a psychological manifestation, there is really no indication that the events of the game don't take place in the physical world, and some fairly strong evidence that they might (including some tapes and messages left by individuals who Cheryl would have no way of knowing).]] Cheryl's Snow World and the eternal winter that Elsa brings to Arendelle are facially very similar.

At certain times in the game, when Cheryl is abnormally stressed, the Snow World turns to an icy Otherworld similar in aesthetics to the versions of Elsa's ice castle and Arendelle that are visible when [[spoiler: Elsa learns that she has plunged the city into everlasting winter and when she wakes up after being knocked unconscious by a chandelier, respectively]]. Jutting, sharp outcroppings of ice appear and the general atmosphere changes dramatically.

Finally, the last portions of the game, when Harry Mason is nearing the end of his search for his daughter, occur in an area sometimes called Nowhere, where the environment is twisted enough to play fast and loose with the laws of physics and spatial placement. An analogous environment exists in ''Frozen'' on two occasions, one near the beginning of the film [[spoiler: when Elsa and Anna's parents die]] and one near the end [[spoiler: when Elsa believes that Anna is dead]]. Although in these instances there isn't any spatial distortion, the environment becomes highly distorted, and snowflakes freeze in midair.

Although the creatures in ''Shattered Memories'' appear to be flesh and blood, Harry Mason's [[spoiler: turn to solid ice near the end of the game]] makes it distinctly possible that they are formed from ice and snow, and given "fleshy" features by Cheryl's delusions.

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In the 2009 re-imagining of the first ''Silent Hill'', the player character (Harry Mason) is revealed to be [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a manifestation of the tormented psyche of his daughter, Cheryl, who has been controlling (to some extent) both his actions and the environment as she comes to terms with his death in a car crash]].

Distinct similarities exist between the worlds that Cheryl's father explores and the one created by Elsa in ''Frozen''. While the climate of the region where most of the ''Silent Hill'' games are set (Maine) would obviously allow for winter weather in the middle of the winter, the snow that falls on the town in ''Shattered Memories'' is exceptionally heavy. In addition, it appears to have fallen since Cheryl [[spoiler: arrived [[spoiler:arrived for her appointment with Dr. Kauffman]], because there would be no way for a person to travel if it hadn't. In some places, it is piled up over the road to a height of around ten feet. While this could be accepted as [[spoiler: just [[spoiler:just a psychological manifestation, there is really no indication that the events of the game don't take place in the physical world, and some fairly strong evidence that they might (including some tapes and messages left by individuals who Cheryl would have no way of knowing).]] Cheryl's Snow World and the eternal winter that Elsa brings to Arendelle are facially very similar.

At certain times in the game, when Cheryl is abnormally stressed, the Snow World turns to an icy Otherworld similar in aesthetics to the versions of Elsa's ice castle and Arendelle that are visible when [[spoiler: Elsa [[spoiler:Elsa learns that she has plunged the city into everlasting winter and when she wakes up after being knocked unconscious by a chandelier, respectively]]. Jutting, sharp outcroppings of ice appear and the general atmosphere changes dramatically.

Finally, the last portions of the game, when Harry Mason is nearing the end of his search for his daughter, occur in an area sometimes called Nowhere, where the environment is twisted enough to play fast and loose with the laws of physics and spatial placement. An analogous environment exists in ''Frozen'' on two occasions, one near the beginning of the film [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Elsa and Anna's parents die]] and one near the end [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Elsa believes that Anna is dead]]. Although in these instances there isn't any spatial distortion, the environment becomes highly distorted, and snowflakes freeze in midair.

Although the creatures in ''Shattered Memories'' appear to be flesh and blood, Harry Mason's [[spoiler: turn [[spoiler:turn to solid ice near the end of the game]] makes it distinctly possible that they are formed from ice and snow, and given "fleshy" features by Cheryl's delusions.



A lot of artists represent themselves in their work, and Elsa is no different. Consider that Olaf is a loving being who likes warm hugs. But if he were to be hugged, he would melt. Similarly, Elsa wants love and human companionship, but is afraid people will be physically and emotionally hurt if they get close. It's safer for her to stay cold, even though she would rather indulge her sense of fun. As someone else noted, it's a fight between her Olaf side and her Marshmallow side. But Elsa, like Olaf, eventually learns that some people are worth melting for, such as Anna. Also like Olaf, she is able to "regenerate" with her two sides balanced once [[spoiler: her love melts Anna's frozen heart.]] Granted, she's not experiencing physical death by "melting" the way Olaf would, but the emotional death she fears has just as big an impact.

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A lot of artists represent themselves in their work, and Elsa is no different. Consider that Olaf is a loving being who likes warm hugs. But if he were to be hugged, he would melt. Similarly, Elsa wants love and human companionship, but is afraid people will be physically and emotionally hurt if they get close. It's safer for her to stay cold, even though she would rather indulge her sense of fun. As someone else noted, it's a fight between her Olaf side and her Marshmallow side. But Elsa, like Olaf, eventually learns that some people are worth melting for, such as Anna. Also like Olaf, she is able to "regenerate" with her two sides balanced once [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her love melts Anna's frozen heart.]] Granted, she's not experiencing physical death by "melting" the way Olaf would, but the emotional death she fears has just as big an impact.



[[WMG: Hans heard his mother say the same words he uses on [[spoiler: Anna]] ]]

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[[WMG: Hans heard his mother say the same words he uses on [[spoiler: Anna]] [[spoiler:Anna]] ]]



-->[[spoiler: Hans:]] "Oh [[spoiler: Anna]], if only there was someone out there who loved you."

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-->[[spoiler: Hans:]] -->[[spoiler:Hans:]] "Oh [[spoiler: Anna]], [[spoiler:Anna]], if only there was someone out there who loved you."



[[WMG: Hans is not working on his own agenda.]]

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[[WMG: Hans [[WMG:Hans is not working on his own agenda.]]



When he returns to the Southern Isles, [[spoiler: his family disowns him and he is forced to make his way in the world as a traveling storyteller. Writing The Snow Queen was his way of getting a petty little revenge against the sisters who foiled his master plan.]]

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When he returns to the Southern Isles, [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his family disowns him and he is forced to make his way in the world as a traveling storyteller. Writing The Snow Queen was his way of getting a petty little revenge against the sisters who foiled his master plan.]]



*** Why go small? [[spoiler: Maleficent recruits Hans. Since Hans is a sociopath, he can control the Heartless with ease. And if we want to throw in ''Tangled'' as well, have Maleficent revive Gothel and Sora has to deal with both of them.]]

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*** Why go small? [[spoiler: Maleficent [[spoiler:Maleficent recruits Hans. Since Hans is a sociopath, he can control the Heartless with ease. And if we want to throw in ''Tangled'' as well, have Maleficent revive Gothel and Sora has to deal with both of them.]]



It takes inspiration from the actual princesses of Sweden, Victoria and Madeleine. Crown Princess Victoria, the eldest, had anorexia, and at age 20, the same age as Elsa, she left Sweden to get treatment. She then returned later, and resumed her princess duties. So, both Victoria and Elsa [[spoiler: had emotional problems they needed to resolve, left their kingdoms to recover, and returned later to resume their duties.]]

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It takes inspiration from the actual princesses of Sweden, Victoria and Madeleine. Crown Princess Victoria, the eldest, had anorexia, and at age 20, the same age as Elsa, she left Sweden to get treatment. She then returned later, and resumed her princess duties. So, both Victoria and Elsa [[spoiler: had [[spoiler:had emotional problems they needed to resolve, left their kingdoms to recover, and returned later to resume their duties.]]



With WordOfGod stating that Elsa's powers are due to being born 1,000 years after an alignment of Saturn, maybe each of the planets have a sort of elemental power that activates during certain alignments at certain years? Jupiter, for instance, often represents thunder and lightning, and Io, one of its primary moons, is really hot and has volcanos—maybe an alignment at the right time grants someone lightning/fire/heat powers?

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With WordOfGod stating that Elsa's powers are due to being born 1,000 years after an alignment of Saturn, maybe each of the planets have a sort of elemental power that activates during certain alignments at certain years? Jupiter, for instance, often represents thunder and lightning, and Io, one of its primary moons, is really hot and has volcanos—maybe volcanos—maybe an alignment at the right time grants someone lightning/fire/heat powers?



** Prince Hans = [[spoiler: Willoughby. Anna believes she loves him, and he is quite romantic and dashing. Yet, he ends up breaking her heart and nearly causing her death.]]

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** Prince Hans = [[spoiler: Willoughby.[[spoiler:Willoughby. Anna believes she loves him, and he is quite romantic and dashing. Yet, he ends up breaking her heart and nearly causing her death.]]



** Marianne's disastrous walk in the garden, which lands her with a serious fever and nearly kills her, matches up with [[spoiler: Anna's nearly fatal frozen heart.]] It also matches up because like Marianne, it is not until Anna is deathly ill that she discovers [[spoiler: Hans, her Willoughby, is a real cad.]] Of course, in ''Sense and Sensibility,'' Marianne discovered this earlier, but her illness really helped her get over Willoughby.

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** Marianne's disastrous walk in the garden, which lands her with a serious fever and nearly kills her, matches up with [[spoiler: Anna's [[spoiler:Anna's nearly fatal frozen heart.]] It also matches up because like Marianne, it is not until Anna is deathly ill that she discovers [[spoiler: Hans, [[spoiler:Hans, her Willoughby, is a real cad.]] Of course, in ''Sense and Sensibility,'' Marianne discovered this earlier, but her illness really helped her get over Willoughby.



3. The princes in ''The Princess and the Frog'', ''Tangled'' and ''Brave'' all started out as being jerks. This could be some type of theme, or it could not be. Besides the fact that this goes directly against Disney's past standards, Hans is a subversion of this line of thinking, so this isn't my strongest argument. [[spoiler: At least until the end of course!]]

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3. The princes in ''The Princess and the Frog'', ''Tangled'' and ''Brave'' all started out as being jerks. This could be some type of theme, or it could not be. Besides the fact that this goes directly against Disney's past standards, Hans is a subversion of this line of thinking, so this isn't my strongest argument. [[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At least until the end of course!]]



The only problem is that she seems to have a wide range of abilities even after suppressing them for more than a decade. As [[spoiler:Augustine tells Delsin during their final battle, right after he copies her concrete powers]], it takes years to focus and strengthen a Conduit's powers; Delsin (and Cole, incidently, [[spoiler:at least in this timeline]]) only developed their powers due to their exposure to Ray Field energy (Cole's powers were activated specifically BECAUSE of his exposure, Delsin's manifested naturally but were never seen because he'd never met another Conduit). It's entirely possible that Elsa was exposed to a large amount of Ray Field energy when she was a child (it would have to be, as she already expresses an amazing amount of control over her powers that early) or she could just be a gifted Conduit like [[spoiler: the Cole from the original timeline (alias Kessler)]]. It would certainly explain how she got her powers if no one else in her family has any abilities, as the Conduit gene's distribution is seemingly random.

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The only problem is that she seems to have a wide range of abilities even after suppressing them for more than a decade. As [[spoiler:Augustine tells Delsin during their final battle, right after he copies her concrete powers]], it takes years to focus and strengthen a Conduit's powers; Delsin (and Cole, incidently, [[spoiler:at least in this timeline]]) only developed their powers due to their exposure to Ray Field energy (Cole's powers were activated specifically BECAUSE of his exposure, Delsin's manifested naturally but were never seen because he'd never met another Conduit). It's entirely possible that Elsa was exposed to a large amount of Ray Field energy when she was a child (it would have to be, as she already expresses an amazing amount of control over her powers that early) or she could just be a gifted Conduit like [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Cole from the original timeline (alias Kessler)]]. It would certainly explain how she got her powers if no one else in her family has any abilities, as the Conduit gene's distribution is seemingly random.



3. [[spoiler: Hans]] is seemingly immune to fire, which is often not too devastating to many video game characters, and is even [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros wielded as a weapon]] [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 by certain ones]].

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3. [[spoiler: Hans]] [[spoiler:Hans]] is seemingly immune to fire, which is often not too devastating to many video game characters, and is even [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros wielded as a weapon]] [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 by certain ones]].



[[WMG: Frozen is the [[VideoGame/ArNosurgeOdeToAnUnbornStar distant future]] of [[spoiler: the new Ra Ciela.]] ]]

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[[WMG: Frozen [[WMG:Frozen is the [[VideoGame/ArNosurgeOdeToAnUnbornStar distant future]] of [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the new Ra Ciela.]] ]]]]]]
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[[WMG:Elsa is a mutant and this movie takes place in the MarvelUniverse, in ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}''.]]

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[[WMG:Elsa is a mutant and this movie takes place in the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, in ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}''.]]
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3. [[spoiler: Hans]] is seemingly immune to fire, which is often not too devastating to many video game characters, and is even [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros wielded as a weapon]] [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 by certain ones]].

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3. [[spoiler: Hans]] is seemingly immune to fire, which is often not too devastating to many video game characters, and is even [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros wielded as a weapon]] [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 by certain ones]].
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[[WMG:''Frozen'' and ''Tangled'' occur in the same universe as ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'']]

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[[WMG:''Frozen'' and ''Tangled'' occur in the same universe as ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'']]''Franchise/{{Shrek}}'']]
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** Kai and Gerda may be the parents of [[NamesTheSame Kai and Gerda.]]

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** Kai and Gerda may be the parents of [[NamesTheSame Kai and Gerda.]]
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[[WMG:Hans is at least in part a HeroismAddict]]

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[[WMG:Hans is at least in part a HeroismAddict]][[EngineeredHeroics heroism addict]]]]
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* And the stars and constellations themselves probably give some sort of undefined Star Power that's either AllYourPowersCombined or a random one of the other Powers turned UpToEleven.

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* And the stars and constellations themselves probably give some sort of undefined Star Power that's either AllYourPowersCombined or a random one of the other Powers turned UpToEleven.up to eleven.
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* What if Hans' birthday was marred by a bad incident, such as a drought, famines, or an invasion by a neighboring kingdom? Though not at fault for said incident, he was inextricably linked with that terrible day for the rest of his life. Because of this, he was abhorred by his family, and was treated like a villain [[ThenLetMeBeEvil until he decided to be one.]] Also, being the 13th in line, his father's subjects automatically assumed he was BornUnlucky, as everything went wrong whenever he was around.
** Being that his people believed in superstitions despite changing times, it's possible they assumed Hans' birth was a bad omen, one that would serve as the catalyst for a chain of events leading to the king's eventual downfall.

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* What if Hans' Hans's birthday was marred by a bad incident, such as a drought, famines, a poor harvest, or an invasion by a neighboring kingdom? Though not at fault responsible for said incident, he was inextricably linked tagged with that terrible day it for the rest of his life. Because of this, he was abhorred by As a result, his family, family despised and was treated like a villain ill-treated him [[ThenLetMeBeEvil until he decided to be one.become a villain.]] Also, being the Being 13th in line, his father's subjects automatically assumed thought he was BornUnlucky, as everything went wrong whenever when he was around.
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** You are born with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can also bring some advantages (i. e. height in someone with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome Marfan syndrome]])

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** You are born with it and die with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can also bring some advantages (i. e.(eg. height in someone with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome Marfan syndrome]])
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** If that's the case, then the film provides huge tracts of AdultFear from both Elsa's POV and Anna's: Elsa because she harms her sister and to some extent the people who she was supposed to be protecting, without even being fully aware of what she's done; Anna's when Elsa runs away in a state of distress, the authorities of law and order don't understand her and consider her dangerous when she becomes inconvenient, that she's cruelly manipulated by [[spoiler:someone Anna herself brought into the family, and almost manages SuicideByCop]]. And also for their parents, when Elsa becomes shut-in and her problems start to seriously impose on Anna, especially when Elsa is suddenly left with responsibilities that she's in no state to deal with.

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** If that's the case, then the film provides huge tracts of AdultFear fears from both Elsa's POV and Anna's: Elsa because she harms her sister and to some extent the people who she was supposed to be protecting, without even being fully aware of what she's done; Anna's when Elsa runs away in a state of distress, the authorities of law and order don't understand her and consider her dangerous when she becomes inconvenient, that she's cruelly manipulated by [[spoiler:someone Anna herself brought into the family, and almost manages SuicideByCop]]. And also for their parents, when Elsa becomes shut-in and her problems start to seriously impose on Anna, especially when Elsa is suddenly left with responsibilities that she's in no state to deal with.
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** You are born with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can aůso bring some advantages (i. e. height in someone with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome Marfan syndrome]])

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** You are born with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can aůso also bring some advantages (i. e. height in someone with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome Marfan syndrome]])

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[[WMG:Elsa's powers are an allegory for mental disorders.]]

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[[WMG:Elsa's powers are an allegory for mental or genetic disorders.]]




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* It could also be a genetic disease?
** You are born with it - just like Elsa with her powers. It affects the life of your whole family - just like Elsa´s powers. You must (and can only) mitigate the havoc caused by the disease - just like Elsa has to control her powers. The disease can aůso bring some advantages (i. e. height in someone with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome Marfan syndrome]])
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* WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}}: More than one. BeastMaster, CastingaShadow (most of wonders happen to her at night and spell ends on midnight) or Light'emUp- because LightIsGood and magic in first film is associated with stars.

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* WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}}: More than one. BeastMaster, CastingaShadow TheBeastmaster, CastingAShadow (most of wonders happen to her at night and spell ends on midnight) or Light'emUp- because LightIsGood and magic in first film is associated with stars.

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