Jerkass Has A Point / Fan Works

Jerkass Has a Point in Fan Works.

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Crossovers

• All For Luz: While she was a bit rude about it, Julia concedes Luz is right that the Antagonistic Governor that kidnapped them and their fellow superhuman teens wants them all dead out of Fantastic Racism, so why would he provide them a doctor for them if they got sick?
• Balance: While working on Bucky's new arm, Harley deliberately gives him an electrical shock. While neither Bucky nor Rhodey are happy with him, Hope Van Dyne explains that it's to make sure the new arm is connecting to his nerves properly.
• Child of the Storm has Doctor Strange's eventual explanation of his actions across the story in chapter 80, why he didn't intervene earlier and use his vast knowledge to end the crisis before it got out of hand. As he points out, the Avengers were getting complacent, and if the threat had been neutralised early, HYDRA, Malfoy, and Gravemoss would all likely have scuttled off into the shadows to foment trouble, the HYDRA within SHIELD would have gone undiscovered, MI13 wouldn't have been transformed into the sleek and efficient machine it now is, the superhuman community would have remained disparate instead of being the Fire-Forged Friends they needed to be, and Harry wouldn't have been tested in battle the way he was. Moreover, it was required as a hardening experience for Earth as a whole because Thanos is coming. Despite their anger at his tactics, the Avengers don't exactly deny any of these points.
• Children of an Elder God: Gendo is a Bad Boss, a bastard, and an asshole, and at least a modicum of his anger stemmed from annoyance at having been ignored, but he had a point when he told Asuka that charging the enemy blindly and not following orders will get her and everyone killed.
• A Clash Of Neets: Stannis Baratheon is a Naytheist who despises the Seven Goddesses, mostly over a miscommunication (his daughter is one of]] the Chosen Ones, but he's confused why that means she was born with [[LittleBitBeastly a racoon tail) which leads to him starting a Civil War to stop their chosen candidate, Kazuma Baratheon, from being the next king. The thing is, he's not wrong on a few points: the present crisis is largely Aqua's fault (though she's accepted the blame and is trying to fix it); the Targaryen line was original chosen by the Goddesses, and they wound up becoming a line of Caligulas, and they're chosen replacement, Robert, was neglectful and lazy. Under other circumstances, he might have been in a better position to make the kinds of changes he wanted, but when not one but two Gods Of Evil are threatening the planet, mass social changes that spark civil wars are the last thing they need. Word of God is that had he been born at another, more peaceful point in Westeros' history, he might've been able to make the kinds of improvements to Westerosi civilization that he wanted (and spent his whole reign putting down uprisings to do it, but been successful in the end).
• Code Geass: Paladins of Voltron: While Lelouch deciding to leave the team is incredibly selfish, he's not wrong about how Britannia being ruled as-is will only make fighting off the Galra more difficult for humanity. Especially since, in canon, his parents were working on an Assimilation Plot while his brother tried to subjugate the world using a nuke-equipped flying fortress.
• Code Prime:
  • While Thundercracker supports Starscream, who is certainly a thorn in both the Britannian's and the Decepticon's sides, he's not wrong when, in the aftermath of Narita, he notes that Suzaku may not be mentally prepared for the combat he is getting in. Suzaku is indeed mentally off-balance since he remembered how he killed his own father in that battle.
  • Starscream is probably the most disliked among his own side due to his scheming and backstabbing nature, but there are several times he raises valid points.
    • While forcing Suzaku to try and kill Rai during Geass Ex Machina is an extreme Kick the Dog moment (and also likely a war crime), he's not wrong that Suzaku will eventually need to kill enemies because he is a soldier.
    • He raises similar points at Yokosuka.
    • During the aftermath of Narita, he's willing to advocate the total annihilation of all humans in Area 11 in order to destroy Zero's forces. While this is Disproportionate Retribution at its finest, he is correct that there are many Britannians siding with the Black Knights because of Shinjuku and the Hotel Jacking, and that they will continue to support the Black Knights so long as they lack faith in Cornelia to protect them.
    • He also immediately calls out Cornelia when she balks at this suggestion, pointing out that she was willing to slaughter innocents at Narita and would have nothing to save the hostages at the Hotel Jacking if Euphie hadn't been among them.
• The Demon's Contract: Ranma gets fed up with everyone bending over backwards to accommodate Akane just because her mother died. Nabiki and Kasumi can't find it in themselves to refute his arguments after he points out that 1) Akane's had ten years to deal with it and move on. 2) The real world doesn't care about her problems so she has to learn she won't always get her way. 3) Akane's not the only one to lose her mother and, to his knowledge, his own has been dead just as long but he doesn't even know where she's buried or what she looks like to properly mourn.
• The Devil Fruit Hero: Bakugo, who is still quite hotheaded even after having Kirby as a stabilizing influence, points out to Momo that if she wants to rise to the top as a superhero, she must be able to surpass the basic requirements rather than blindly stick to them.
• A Dovahkiin Spreads His Wings:
  • The only resident from Winterfell aware that Jon is happier living in Skyrim is his Wicked Stepmother Catelyn, who supports the move as it makes the bastard less likely to steal her children's inheritance. She's outright aghast when her husband tries to force Jon to stay in Westeros and rips into him for this, which shocks Ned into re-examining his viewpoint.
  • Tywin Lannister bluntly calls his daughter a dumbass to her face for horrendously managing the realm and the Lannister interests while failing to reign Joffrey's Stupid Evil tendencies. Cersei's refusal to listen further proves Tywin's disparaging of her smarts.
• Equestria Girls: A Fairly Odd Friendship:
  • While defending Timmy's choice to destroy Gary and Betty's truck, Gilda points out to Rarity, Fluttershy, and Applejack that THEY didn't object to her beating Crocker within an inch of his life and would've done the same thing if it was their siblings in Timmy's position. They acknowledge that while they would've gotten physical...but not to the point of causing collateral damage.
  • Moondancer might be acting out of vengeance, but none of the Rainbooms can really argue with her when she chews them out for basically ditching her.
• Fate of the Clans: In chapter 16 when Cú Chulainn Alter is basically verbally ripping into humans in general Tamamo says he's right about humans having a measure of evil in them.
  • She also has to admit he has a point with calling her a demon because she qualifies as a Beast when she has all nine tails.
• Friendly Foreign Exchange Student Spider-Man!:
  • Endeavor warns his son that he can't simply go into the Sports Festival with what he currently has and expect to win and that he needs to better prepare for what lies ahead. Shoto ends up completely disregarding his father out of spite, and acknowledging that he was right after seeing Peter dominate the Obstacle Race portion of the Sports Festival is an insanely bitter pill for him to swallow.
  • While Mirko's Brutal Honesty borders on indifferently cruel, she makes a good point that Peter's complete lack of personal ambition and tendency to "react" instead of "act" could have massive consequences in the long run.
    Moxie: That...is actually pretty accurate.
• Harry Potter: Alien Chronicles: Mundungus may have only said it because he was tired of constantly trying to search for Harry Potter (and maybe because he wanted to be a dick to Sirius), but Sirius admits he has a point in that they've been searching for a very long time, meaning that the reason Harry is still missing is that he's either dead or doesn't want to be found.
  Sirius: Fuck my life...of all the things to happen. Dung has to actually say something that's actually right for once.
• The Heroic Chronicles of a Young Man: Tenya Deguchiya is both blunt and caustic when calling out Todoroki for not using his flames, but he accurately points out that the world doesn't care about his personal issues.
  Tenya: All that matters, as a hero, is "how many people have you saved" and "how much do you inspire the people's hope". Nothing. Else. Every single mission, sponsorship, interview, villain takedown, and investigation all boil down to those two points. Can your pettiness save people? Can your spite inspire hope? I'm sure you have a hero name in mind, but I can't think of anything more fitting than this. Introducing the Half-assed Hero, Ice Prince!
• Infinity Train: Seeker of Crocus:
  • Gloria decides to point out how Chloe was essentially ignored by, well, everyone who cared for her by stating the analogy that she's an abuse victim because not a single adult cared to help her and kept making promise after promise that things would "Get better" but did nothing to help her out, breaking her trust. This was not the right thing to say in front of her father, but Goh later admits that Gloria made a good point in that no one, even himself, noticed she was on the point of suicide.
    Goh: Her analogy wasn't dumb. Insulting, but not dumb.
  • George Gore is rough about Specter's problems but he's not wrong because Specter has done plenty of wrong in VRAINS, ranging from wanting to unleash the Tower of Hanoi — powered up by the digitized minds of everyone in VRAINS — to destroy it in order to eradicate six AI (and back then, Specter didn't even care about his own, Earth), he was fine with breaking Blue Angel's philosophy apart and didn't feel sympathetic when he also turned her brother into data either. Specter internally notes that George (he himself Took a Level in Jerkass and is the reason Earth got killed off) is not wrong about these accusations.
• Kage and its Recursive Fanfiction Shadows over Meridian have a few examples:
  • The Queen gives a good argument that Jade is a murderer, based on Jade blasting Shendu's statue form to bits with the Dragon Talisman (even if he did come back later, they had technically killed him) after Jade expresses conflict over the thought of killing Vathek and Tynar. Try as she might, Jade has trouble finding a hole in the Queen's logic.
  • While Luba is very harsh about how she words it, she's not wrong to be mad about how Elyon and the Guardians' actions created an enemy out of Jade/Kage who may now threaten Kandrakar itself, and the fact that it may be too late to undo the damage.
  • While Erec is very gruff and aggressive about it, he's not wrong to be skeptical of Elyon's declaration that she'll work to be a better Queen, pointing out that she knows nothing about her kingdom. This motivates her to actually do her homework about her birth world so that she can live up to her promises.
  • While Vathek admits that Caleb was very rude in how he presented his argument, he's also probably right that Elyon's plan to make amends with Kage is probably too late to do any good.
  • Amelia is condescending to Albel and unmoved by Vera's desire to avenge her grandfather, but when she remarks that Vera's too overly obsessed with revenge to be a levelheaded leader and acting like she's the only one who's lost a loved one to Phobos' tyranny, Albel cannot argue back.
  • Sult, angered by the noble kids of Castwell's Peak going rogue, comments in Chapter 23 that many noble houses Phobos rooted out exploited the commoners during the reigns of the prince's mother and grandmother, and Phobos at least didn't curry favor with them. Oskar admits the times before Phobos' tyranny weren't as perfect as people make them out to be, though he still states Phobos took things too far by wiping out all the noble houses around the capital.
• A Knight's Tale as Inquisitor: During a discussion between Cassandra and Vivienne during their mission to secure the Fallow Mire, with the latter asking about Arturia's background prior to joining the Inquisition. When Cassandra admits she and the advisors couldn't find any background information on Arturia's past, Vivienne, lacking tact in this regard, rightly questions the wisdom in making someone whose origins are completely unknown The Face of the organization, especially the Sole Survivor of a horrific event that killed countless people. Even though she defends the decision with good reasoning, Cassandra admits to her being correct about that.
• A Loud Among Demons: Blitzo may be a Jerkass Bad Boss, but he does show some insight when saying it would be a bad idea for I.M.P. to receive recognition for acting as bodyguards for Stolas and Octavia during their trip to Loo Loo Land. As Blitzo states, the purpose of I.M.P. is assassination, and if people found out they acted as one-time bodyguards, then they'll most likely hire them for jobs that don't involve offing people. It says a lot that Moxie, the one who is most annoyed by Blitzo's antics, agrees with him.
• A Man of Iron: Ned Stark has a rather cold relationship with his cousin Tony, whom he considers a wasteful twit, but he's forced to concede that Tony was right to stand up to Catelyn when she tried to hurt Jon only because he was a bastard, something that Ned himself should have done if he cared for Jon.
• Metagaming?: Despite being friendly with the night elves, Harry has some rather low opinions of their society. He gives outright misogynistic advice that they need to stop letting women make up the majority of their army and instead start breeding them as much as possible. But, his reasoning is perfectly sound that a society can lose half their men and recover quickly because the remainder can breed all the women, losing half their women would take generations to recover from. Combined with the fact the night elves consider a thousand children born in one century to be a population boom, they're a single major disaster from being beyond recovery. Furthermore, night elves are (currently) the only biologically immortal humanoids on Azeroth and their slow approach to things simply won't work.
• The Many Dates of Danny Fenton:
  • Lisa Silver, Tucker's blind date during "Interlude", while she was really mean and rude about it, had a right to be displeased with Tucker, since his profile was misleading as she was expecting a different person and even when she decided to give him a chance, he ruined it with his lame come-on lines.
  • Danny, as hard as he was on Katie Kaboom, has a point about how much damage she causes whenever she morphs and that being a teenager is not an excuse.
  • Clover was as mean as possible to Tucker in TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates, making it clear that he disgusts her and she thought he was pathetic in trying to impress her. But she's right that he was pretending to be something he's not and that she has zero interest in him.
  • Sam's parents were as rude as possible in Danny Chooses Alex, making it clear they don't understand what Sam sees in Danny, let alone what any other girl can see in him, but they are right that if she likes him, what's to stop another girl from liking him?
  • As Sam points out in Danny and Phantasma, even if the Fenton Anti-Creep Stick is "just a bat with the word 'Fenton' on it", she still can hurt people with it.
• I'm a Marvel... And I'm a DC: In Marvel and DC: Season 2 of After Hours, as the Green Goblin rightfully points out to The Joker concerning the plan to make every hero as dark as Batman, even though he's a villain himself. Not only will comics get boring since all the heroes are the same without Lighter and Softer heroes for contrast, the audience will get so bored to death that they might as well kill themselves.
• Mass Effect: Clash of Civilizations: Saren, repeatedly. He's still an arrogant, racist bastard, but he takes his assignment as head of security seriously, makes valid points of observation, was correct in that Tali was sending illegal messages and even manages to prevent a potentially lethal situation from escalating by drawing his gun on Captain Miles, giving the ODST a reason not to fire. Couple that with a willingness to sacrifice himself for the team makes it clear that this is not the same Saren confronted in Mass Effect, whether or not he will grow into the same form remains to be seen...
• Metal Gear: Green:
  • When the Brothers are on the backfoot and Diego decides to cut his losses and retreat, his brother refuses to accept it. However, Diego is right when he tells him that winning wars is pointless if the supply depots are hit with suicide drones, preventing his forces from being armed.
  • During the first battle trial, Bakugou yells at Iida for effectively playing keep-away when he should've tackled Ochako. However, Bakugou is right in that most villains would just blitz at their enemy than do what Iida did, something Iida is forced to concede to.
  • Ocelot was already fed up with Aizawa's stubbornness, Lazy Bum tendencies and his Apathetic Teacher tendencies, but he is right in calling Aizawa's teaching methods to question, since he, an HPSC rep, gives more advice to a class in a week than Aizawa's done in years. Combined with Aizawa's Trigger-Happy expulsion tendencies, his refusal to do the bare minimum in teaching and refusal to even help students who need help results in Fudaki dying at the USJ, because he believed he could take on the villains all by himself.
• The Mountain and the Wolf:
  • The Wolf is prone to making insulting but true statements to just about anyone he talks to. However, he also makes insulting but false or even blatantly false statements (e.g. I Banged Your Mom to people whose mothers are long since dead) since his goal is to start fights. It's repeatedly wondered, as he does this among allies, if he's even aware of what he's saying and how it affects the person he's speaking to.
  • When Arya sneaks aboard a ship directly towards Euron's fleet, Jon wants the Wolf to sail out after her. The Wolf points out a number of issues that it turns out were already raised by Davos. Jon is forced to agree.
• A New World in my View: Emma Frost rips Xander/Karen Starr a new one after the latter destroys several city blocks fighting a villain. When Karen tries to defend herself that it was an accident, she's forced to concede Emma's rebuttal that it being an accident is what makes it so bad; she clearly lacks control of her powers and isn't safe to be in public if she destroys several blocks on accident.
• Two examples in the Ward/Skyrim crossover Point Me at the Skyrim:
  • Claudya is overly antagonistic and uncaring of strangers, much like in canon, but considering the shady alibi Invictus makes to explain who Antares is and the fact that Ulfric escaped, one can't exactly blame her for being overly aggressive.
  • Irileth threatens Antares with violence as well, but Antares dropped a wagon full of injured soldiers from a faction Whiterun refuses to support in the middle of the city, leaving a potential political shit-storm at her doorstep.
• Pro Hero Metal Bat: A lot of what Bakugou says is mere bullying and telling Izuku to give up, but he does make a point that Bakugou has been training to enter UA since he was four years old, while Izuku only really started training himself in the last ten months. Even Izuku has to give his bully that much.
• Reaping the Whirlwind: George deliberately sets Dawn up for failure so she'll learn that Reapers can't interfere with the living, hopefully without a body count like George herself did.
• Star Trek: Phoenix: In "Confessions of an FTL Pony", Admiral Nechayev is aggressive, confrontational, and excessively abrasive in criticizing Sunset's testimony, but, as Admiral Nakamura points out, her basic points are sound and the story that Sunset is telling them (which involves both a string of unlikely coincidences and some fully magical situations) does sound very hard to believe.
• Stardust: Vahlen might come across to those with outside knowledge as being unnecessarily nasty. The thing is, Twilight is, despite her cute exterior, essentially an Eldritch Abomination to XCOM, with powers that are blatantly physics-breaking and would be very hard to beat if turned against mankind. Some paranoia and suspicion is genuinely justified.
• A Triangle in the Stars: Occurs quite a bit, mostly from Bill since he's one of the main characters.
  • In Chapter Three, while Bill did take a mildly extreme route to punish Lars, Lars had insulted him one time too many beforehand. He may have deserved it, but not like that. Steven, naturally for him, calls the demon out, but Lars actually thinks about it.
  • While it made Sadie cry and Steven fed up for a while, Bill's outburst about humans being ungrateful jerks towards Sadie in Chapter Five was right in that Sadie was indeed ungrateful for the things her mom did for her. Even if it was a bit hypocritical, which Steven again points out. Sadie, in Chapter Seven, muses that Bill was absolutely right, even if the outburst was mean.
• What the Frell Did You Do This Time Erpman?: There's a scene where John Chricton meets with Gaius Baltar, and they can all see the various personalities in each other's head. John, while not a jerkass per se, immediately starts ranting at how unfair it is that despite all his good deeds, all the times he's saved the day, all the sacrifices he's made... and he gets Harvey◊ in his head, while a traitorous, weasel of a man like Gaius gets the super-hot Six◊ living in his head. Harvey starts to protest that a) this is not why they set this conference up, and b) that's not fair to Harvey... but then he takes one long look at Six and admits that, yes, John has a point.
• In When Harry met Wednesday, Griselda Marchbanks explains to Professor Tofty that they'll be auditing every position in Hogwarts to ensure the quality of the professors. When Tofty notes that it sounds an awful lot like what Fudge and Umbridge wanted to do the previous year, Marchbanks responds that even terrible people have good ideas sometimes.

Avatar: The Last Airbender

• Avatar: Legend of the Guardian: Arrogant Kung-Fu Girl she may be, but in "The Princess and the Guardian," Toph makes a very valid point when she points out to the rest of Team Avatar that just because Min/Xia is Fire Nation royalty doesn't automatically make her evil. She makes them think through all of the times Xia helped them and others out, and points out she most likely hid her true identity from them for so long because she feared they'd distrust and reject her, which is exactly what happened when they did find out. Aang, Katara, and Sokka even acknowledge she's right and kick themselves over it.
• How I Became Yours: Mai's supposed Moral Event Horizon is causing Katara to have a Convenient Miscarriage, but she makes a pretty good case◊ for why she did it, even if it's not a nice one, but since she plays the Designated Villain we're supposed to take Zuko's side. This would arguably be a case of Strawman Has a Point, but Toph also pointed out a similar reason for Katara not telling Zuko about the baby◊.
• Morality Chain: When discussing the Fire Nation colonies, Azula is the one who points out that the Earth Kingdom never cared about them, the Fire Nation built them up, and most of the locals have lived there for generations now. You can't just hand the colonies back to the Earth Kingdom and call it fair. Of course, she's entirely focused on the economic impact losing valuable manufacturing hubs would have on the Fire Nation, rather than on the fact that the locals don't actually want to be part of the Earth Kingdom.

• In Opheliac: Azula gives a scathing, harsh rant to Aang, but she has every reason to be angry, considering that he let him live instead of ending his life, and Ozai is now putting the Fire Nation and its people in peril in order to reclaim his throne. Sokka even agrees with her.

Bleach

• In Bleach: Fan Works, many of the people who flame the fanfic writers have points about the many problems with their fics. Unfortunately, the reviews are so scathing that the writers aren't likely to accept those points, even if they could take criticism.
• The Defeated: After Ichigo and Orihime join forces with Aizen, several of the captains of Soul Society are outraged, but Kenpachi points out that it's their own fault. They killed Ichigo's friends, refused to admit their fault, then tortured and raped him before stripping him of his powers.
  Unohana: Don't you get it? He wants to kill us all now.
  Kenpachi: Then maybe you shouldn't have raped him.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer

• A Long Walk: Willow's insistence that she's gay causes Cordelia to say that either Willow is bisexual or she's a manipulative psychopath who deliberately sabotaged Cordelia's relationship with Xander for the hell of it.
• Xendra:
  • After hearing why Cordelia blows off school work (she already knows everything she needs to for the life she's planned), Willow has to admit that Cordelia is right that school is useless for her. Willow's not happy about it, but she does agree.
  • After Angel comes back from hell, Xander tries to stake him only for Buffy to stop him and punch Xander in the face. Angel, however, agrees that Xander is right for wanting to stake him after what Angelus nearly did to Xendra (Xander's name when turned into Xena) and makes Buffy apologize.

Code Geass

• Code Geass: Colorless Memories: In Chapter Two, while Lelouch may still be treating Rai with aloofness and cynical paranoia over someone with Amnesia. He brings up a valid point considering that Rai could be an Unwitting Pawn for those who would harm his sister. This is more potent when you consider E.E and the shadow figure that chased Rai in Chapter 11 with their currently Hidden Agenda in regards to the plot and characters. E.E especially due to hints that her view of Britannians sinks into Fantastic Racism along with her words of making C.C pay for something.
  Lelouch "Hmph... I'm being a little too paranoid huh? And you think someone as mysterious as him suddenly appearing to me after everything that has happened that last few weeks isn't a coincidence at all? Hah, I believe I have every right to be suspicious of him. For all I know, he could be a spy or agent sent from the Britannian Military or even possibly the Imperial Family...maybe even possibly from one of the other two superpower countries."
• Code Geass: The Prepared Rebellion: A member of the Japanese Liberation Front is an asshole to the Britannian hostages but still correct when he remarks on how idiotic it is for Nina's parents to bring their xenophobic daughter to a country filled with non-Britannians.
• My Mirror, Sword and Shield:
  • While Suzaku’s first doctor is racist and was a Resistance plant hoping to get the Emperor’s best knight dismissed, he was right about the severity of Suzaku’s injuries would put him out of commission, leave Suzaku in pain for the rest of his life and it would have been better for Suzaku to be retired. A year after Suzaku’s injuries heal, he’s still dealing with pain.
  • While the Knights of Round despise Suzaku out of ingrained racism, they do have a point that Suzaku's rise to power is really suspicious and they only have Suzaku and Lelouch's word as to what happened to Euphemia and Sir Raleigh.

Danganronpa

• In Where Talent Goes to Die, Sora Hoshino is a brutally honest jerkass with no sense of tact, but he has a number of good points about how no one can be trusted fully in the killing game, including Reiko Mitamura, the group's initial leader, and how the killers were responsible for their actions. Even once he goes the extra mile and murders Akasaka and Yuuki to graduate, he correctly points out that the group has made virtually no progress in finding a way out. Even Sugiura, who can't stand Hoshino, admits he has a point from time to time, and Miura comes to respect his honesty and value his input.

Danny Phantom

• Resurrected Memories
  • Danny's dislike for fame is understandable, given how exhausting his overzealous fans can be, especially when one tried to steal his underwear from his room.
  • Danny's refusal to join the A-Listers is understandable, given their history of bullying him and his friends. He especially doesn't want anything to do with Paulina because she continues to mistreat his loved ones, and her Entitled to Have You attitude towards him doesn't help since it makes her completely unbearable to be around due to her stubborn refusal to accept that he utterly loathes her now.
  • Valerie justifiably doesn't want anything to do with the A-Listers because she still holds a grudge against them for kicking her out when her family went broke and doesn't waste any time rejecting their membership offer back into their group.
  • Ember is correct that Paulina's pathetic for obsessing over Danny since he clearly hates her and rejects her every chance he gets, but she's too delusional to accept it.
  • Even Ember finds Paulina's Stalker Shrine to Danny Phantom seriously creepy and a sign that she needs professional help.
  • Ember and Sam point out that Paulina's treatment of Danny is little more than harassment.
  • While Paulina can't prove it and doesn't really know how it happened, she is correct that Amberline (Ember) is responsible for putting clown makeup on her.
  • Valerie points out to Star that she's better off without Paulina because she's not a good friend since she and the A-Listers kicked Valerie out because her family broke.
  • Kitty is correct that Ember can't keep her new half-ghost status a secret from Danny forever, especially if she plans to spend her life with him and have children with him.

DC

• Beast Boy and Raven Join PETA: As condescending as he is, Don Gooseson makes some good points about how the meat industry has helped animals, and he turns out to be right about PETA's shelters.
• The Redemption of Harley Quinn: Lyle Bolton is every bit the cruel sadist as he was in Batman: The Animated Series, but his dressing-down of Poison Ivy as an unrepentant self-centered lunatic is spot on.
• Superman of 2499: The Great Confrontation: In the first chapter, Adam and Alan Kent stop a terrorist cell but they're too late to save everyone. When Alan gets upset about the casualties, Adam points out that they still saved the whole city and they can't be everywhere or save everyone. Adam could certainly show a little more grief and compassion and make his point in a gentler fashion, but he isn't wrong about it.
• A Very Kara Christmas: Kara feels her cousin is a rather overbearing, harsh mentor/father figure. Even so, she has to admit that he is right to say she needs a lot of training until mastering her powers perfectly, what with being a teenage girl who can accidentally nuke a city into oblivion by sneezing hard.
  He was acting just like a parent, or the kind of big brother you really don't want around at the time.
  The worst part was, he was right and she knew it.

Death Note

• In We All Need A Hero: A AU Where Sayu Yagami is Kira. While Light certainly isn’t helping his case by lying to Kazue about the evidence of against Sayu and making her cry, his defensiveness of Sayu makes a lot of sense, especially for those who may have a younger sibling and wouldn’t take a accusation like that lightly in most cases. Also factoring in while Kazue’s perception skills are good, the overall proof she has against Sayu is sketchy and minimal at best as if it was used in a court of law, the case would likely be dismissed by the court due to a lack of evidence.

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu No Yaiba

• The ambiguity of good and evil: Muzan Kibutsuji is a cold-blooded demon lord who does not hesitate to kill his subordinates when they fail him, but he, as Tanjiro mentally observes, is absolutely right when he says that people do not value life and that sometimes they are no better than demons.

Disney Animated Canon

• In Frozen Hearts (Sakume), as the brothers of Prince Hans debate whether to ask the king for a pardon for him, they debate the various ramifications of the issue and hold a poll amongst themselves. The group that votes "no" is composed of the Jerkass brothers, who treated Hans poorly even before he became a political liability as a result of what he did in the movie. However, even the brothers that vote "yes", concede the opposing side has a point that the kingdom's livelihood has suffered, or at least don't contest the point.

DuckTales (2017)

• Shadow of Her Own: Lena was apathetic to learn about Poe De Spell, her abusive aunt's brother, and his fate of being permanently turned into a non-sapient crow and lost. When Scrooge tries to apologize to Lena, she told him that she did not know the guy and that if he was anything like her aunt Magica De Spell, he did her a solid. While Lena does sound callous, she's right that she does not know him, and since Poe was no better than his sister, being willing to use his magic to enslave villages to exploit them for treasure, there is no guarantee he would have treated her better then Magica did.

Dragon Ball

• Dragonball Divergence: Piccolo doesn't exactly sugarcoat his words when he tells Chi-Chi that her refusal to let Gohan train seriously contributed to Goku's death, but she nevertheless admits to herself that he's right.

Ever After High

• Poisoning Apple: Rotbart does have a point when he observes that Apple is acting pretty ungrateful about his willingness to replace Raven as the villain for Snow White. After all, Raven never wanted to be the next Evil Queen, and she's supposedly one of Apple's best friends; why would she want Raven to be forced into villainy? Especially if it's not necessary, and she'd got somebody who wants to do it? He also points out that Apple isn't used to the prospect of having to actually work for her happy ending like everyone else since Raven is so non-threatening and benign.

The Fairly OddParents

• Never Had a Friend Like Me: Norm's new master is a young girl named Amanda, who learns from Norm about other magical creatures. When she inquires about fairies, Norm rants about how fairies think of themselves as better than genies, even though they are just as capable of causing pain as genies. Norm is a proud jerk genie, but he's right: fairies always end their relationships with godchildren not to mention their memories of them, and if they were found out through no fault of their own, they could still lose their fairies and be left miserable. Amanda, an extremely selfless girl, is pretty horrified by that idea, and it's what motivates her to wish for her to be an exception to that rule. As it turns out, Jorgen has a reason for doing this: Fairy Godparents outlive their godchildren, and separating them at an early age prevents the grief that would ensue if fairies saw their godchildren grow up and die.

Fate/Stay Night

• Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited BladeWorks Abridged: The Abridged version of Rin consistently refers to the Holy Grail War as the "Murder-Death-Kill", much to the exasperation of everyone who treats the War as Serious Business, like Archer and Kirei. However, when Kirei calls her on it, her explanation makes a surprising amount of sense:
  Rin: Let's break it down: "Holy Grail War." "Holy" doesn't work because the artifact is magical in nature. "Holy Grail" is BS. And you know it's BS.
  Kirei: It is BS.
  Rin: And "War" isn't true because it's seven people and their afterlife tag-a-longs. Point is, I'll start calling it "Holy Grail War" when the name isn't just a cool stand-in. In the meantime, "Murder-Death-Kill" is a way more on point name, with "Ghost-Death-A-Thon" as close second.
  Kirei: I disagree on principle.

Girls Und Panzer

• In Of Blood and Steel, Jackie Lambert, the Student Council President and Riko "Erwin" Matsumoto's rival for leadership of the tankery team, comes off as a rather arrogant girl, albeit a bit of a Designated Villain at times. During the meeting to decide on a team commander, Jackie makes note of Erwin's contributions to the battles against Saunders, Pravda, and Kuromorimine^note The Anzio OVA hadn't been released yet, hence why it wasn't included. It's also implied Jackie may not have seen the exhibition match with St. Gloriana, and notes that Erwin generally contributed very little to her team. Erwin contests Jackie's points about Saunders and Pravda, but admits that her decision to take the Maus head-on was "stupid and foolish," then later concedes that she doesn't have the people skills necessary for leading a team. As a result, they reach a compromise- Erwin leads the team with Jackie as her XO, but Jackie will take over if Riko ends up costing them a victory.
• Steel Carnage: Asuka gives Momo a tongue-lashing for her poor aiming skills, and says keeping her around in spite of that and not helping her improve reflects badly on the rest of the team. Her teammates come to her defense, but Asuka asks if Momo was on the gun in the tournament finals (when Anzu had taken over, with much better results), leaving them unable to answer, and Asuka threatens to get a transfer unless they make improvements. Miho ultimately concludes they didn't do enough to help Momo and apologizes to Momo for that, and they end up working on their performance and convincing Asuka that they have improved.

Godzilla

• Abraxas (Hrodvitnon):
  • In Chapter 3, Alan Jonah, when recruiting an ex-Monarch operative who agreed with Emma Russell about releasing the Titans, snarkily asks Mariko if she's proud of getting her friends killed, and she dodges the question. Mariko's later conversation with Vivienne on the matter makes it clear that she hasn't really processed or morally considered what she did to the numerous colleagues who she sacrificed, proving Jonah's point.
  • Discussed in Chapter 11 on an internet forum. One of the commenters is an Internet Jerk who makes complaints that Monarch won't kill the mysterious newly-emerged Titan on sight, and though the other commenters either shout said user down or ignore them, one of the other users thinks the Internet Jerk does have a point: the new Titan, Monster X, has an uncanny resemblance to Ghidorah, so maybe some caution and wariness is wise with how little they, the public, know at this point about Monster X's true nature.

Gravity Falls

• Christmas with a Corduroy: Lynda Pines spends much of the story treating Wendy, a house guest, like a deviant. She may have been overtly hostile, but the stunts Wendy and the twins were pulling, one which nearly dislocated Dipper's shoulder, were something any sane parent would be frightened by. They also had no problem lying to her either.

Harry Potter

• Discussed in Black Mask when James confronts Orion on his blackmailing of Sirius behind Lily's back, and Orion responds by advising him not to get into the habit of lying to his wife. James did not appreciate getting moral advice from the man he considers to be the bad guy, but Orion does have a point in that lies and secret keeping would not make a good and trusting marital relation.
  Orion: Discounting sound advice because you dislike its source is also unwise.
• The Darkness Series: Harry is a jerk when Ron comes crying to him when he's banned from Quidditch but Harry does have a point — it's not like Ron was there for him when Harry thought he was going to die in the Tri-Wizard Tournament.
• Eternal Fantasy: Draco Malfoy always milks Dumbledore and the rest of Hogwarts for every cent he can get whenever he returns with wares to sell. Given that they treat him like shit despite Draco being literally the only reason their little bubble of earth magic hasn't collapsed in the new world and that Dumbledore frequently tries to pay Draco with worthless magical currency, he's clearly not wrong to do so. In the following chapter, Draco calls out his father for declaring him a disappointment.
  Draco: I still remember what you and Mother taught me. A Malfoy does not bow to others' whims. A Malfoy does not turn his nose up at power. A Malfoy does whatever is necessary to advance his family. Yet here I am, rich and strong, only for you to brush me off as though I am some kind of disgrace and at the same time hold your hand out for the scraps I deign to bring back to you. In all those lessons, you never once said that the power and influence "A proper Malfoy" should seek could only be that which you approve of and understand.
• In Faery Heroes Luna, having stolen the contents of Filch's "Confiscated and Extremely Dangerous" drawer, states that they include several anti-Apparation jinxes, what she thinks may be an untraceable poison and a rubber chicken charmed to bludgeon people with its metal beak.
  Hermione: Dear Merlin, I never believed I would agree with that miserable curmudgeon, but he might have had the right idea after all.
• For Love of Magic:
  • Snape's dislike of Hermione stems from the fact that "any idiot can regurgitate facts from a book" and her turning in essays twice as long as required makes more work for him.
  • In the sequel A Discordant Note, Harry warns his sons about letting women fight in the army. His son Grond tries anyway, only for flirting to slow down training, fights to break out between men interested in the same woman, and women using sex to make men do their work for them. By the time the actual fighting start a few months later, over two-thirds of the women had to leave the army due to pregnancy. Grond has the remaining women use crossbows in a not-entirely-successful attempt to keep the male soldiers from sacrificing themselves to protect them.
• In The Guile of the Traveller Harry is required to work under a gag order for a particular Gringotts cursebreaking project.
  Dolohov: I say there is no use crying over spilt milk. Pev ... Evans has been gagged by goblin law. None of us are stupid enough to pick a fight with the Goblin Nation so I say, drop the matter and let Evans get on with her job.
  Ygraine: As much as I loathe to say it, I agree with Dolohov.
• Harry Potter and the Lack of Lamb Sauce: Gordon Ramsay can't stand Dumbledore, something that initially causes Harry to dislike the man. It's later explained that Gordon dislikes the man for recruiting students right out of school (or sometimes still in school) to fight against Voldemort. So far as he's concerned, children should be allowed to be children, not fight and die in wars adults have caused. Even Harry, who hates being treated as a child, doesn't refute Gordon's argument.
• In Harry Potter: Junior Inquisitor Remus learns that bringing up Dumbledore's willingness to allow him to enroll at Hogwarts is a bad idea after several feral werewolves point out that there hasn't been a single werewolf enrolled there before or since.
• The Odds Were Never In My Favour:
  • Despite being a fraud and a spy, several of Lockhart's scathing critiques of Magical Britain are ultimately proven to be accurate.
  • Both Peter Pettigrew and Lily Potter are disgusted by how James and Dumbledore use the prophecy about the Boy Who Lived to justify their behavior, pointing out that many people have died or will be sacrificed in the name of an incredibly vague prophecy.
  • Bellatrix views Voldemort's attitude toward British Wizards this way. He considers them to be little more than sheep desperately desiring a shepherd; harsh, but given the incredible amount of corruption and Head-in-the-Sand Management going on, she finds it hard to disagree.
• Princess of the Blacks:
  • Snape's reasoning for making Draco and Pansy prefects is because all the other candidates are idiots, even more bigoted, dead, or would end up hospitalized by their housemates.
  • Umbridge regularly manages this. When Hagrid's brother breaks free and tries to attack Hogwarts, Dumbledore admits to himself that technically she did the right thing by calling the Aurors.
  • Vector's lecture to Hermione and Jen, that they'll have to work with people they don't like all the time as adults, rings of this.
  • After Dumbledore is sacked, the acting Headmistress (Who dislikes Umbridge personally) goes through her notes on the remaining Hogwarts staff and admits that most of her criticisms about them are quite accurate.
    • The following year she even wanted to keep Umbridge as the History professor as she actually was a fairly competent teacher.
  • When Ginny tries to use Lily Potter to disprove Draco's insistence that even the Potters tend to marry for political reasons, Draco asks if she really thinks it's a coincidence that the first muggleborn married into the family in generations is also the brightest and most powerful witch of her generation. While she won't say it aloud, Ginny admits to herself that he has a point.
  • Jen notes that Snape's attitude regarding potions, while scarring to young minds, is quite correct as brewing is more of an art than a science.
• In Sapphire Eleanor Rose Suzette De Mont Vs Canon, Missy, the Anonymous, Jenny, and Tara freaking Gilesbie all bring up a few good points in the Kangaroo Court they set up for the MSEA and Harry Potter characters. This visibly shakes our heroes, leading to a Bittersweet Ending.
• In Six years to life Harry gets fed up with his relatives' treatment and leaves, after paying his uncle to pretend he's still there. When Order members show up to ask where he is, Dudley questions their motivations.
  Dudley: You know, why are you looking for him if he clearly doesn't want you to find him?
  He obviously doesn't trust you people. Oh, I know, we've been pretty rotten to him. We never pretended that we were any good, though. But when he went off to that school years ago...I don't know, he seemed so happy. Like his life had become a fairy tale. But over the years, he became sad and depressed. Like he'd aged 50 years instead of five.
  Truthfully, I never expected him to return here, I thought that once you all knew how we treated him, you'd never allow him back. But not only did you do that, you also locked him in the house so he couldn't even go out and stay out of our way like he used to when we were little. If I were you, I'd send him a message with one of those owls you're so fond of to tell him you're sorry and that you won't bother him if he doesn't want to be bothered. If it were me, I'd be pretty pissed off at the whole lot of you.
• Snips and Scars:
  Things looked up temporarily when they were led to Hagrid's hut to be left in Hagrid's care, tanked quickly when Hagrid revealed they were going into the Forbidden Forest.
  
  "We can't go in there!" Malfoy protested. "I've heard stories about that place! There's—there's werewolves in there!"
  
  It was a dark day indeed when Harry agreed with Malfoy.
• What Am I Signing?: Said nearly verbatim when Harry notes that Zacharias Smith might be a douchebag but he has a point about not signing something without knowing exactly what it is.

Invader Zim

• The New Adventures of Invader Zim has multiple examples:
  • Dib's superiors in the Swollen Eyeball Network are mostly dicks to him, but they're right that he has a very poor track record with them. This is further followed up on in Season 2, when they point out that Team Save Earth (Dib and his new friends Steve and Viera) still have no credible evidence of Zim or the other Irkens being aliens, despite there now being three of them working the case and months of effort.
  • The Tallest are still as petty and dismissive towards Zim as ever, but they're still entirely in the right about not wanting someone as unstable as him to have Project Domination.
  • Gaz pointing out rather bluntly that Dib is wasting his time trying to talk about the paranormal to most people, who have no interest in it, is just another example of her being cruel to him, but that's not to say she's wrong about what she's saying.
  • Following his rebellion Zim tells Tak that she's wasting her time trying to please leaders who don't care about her. And while this comes up as part of one of their insult exchanges during a fight, he's still right that the Tallest don't care about her any more than they do anyone else.
  • The Tallest repeatedly chew out Tak and Tenn for their failures over the course of the first season's Story Arc, but given the circumstances, their anger is understandable.
  • The Swollen Eyeball members are rather condescending about it, but they're still correct that Team Save Earth have zero credible evidence of the Irkens being aliens, despite months of fighting them.
  • Played With. Bill has a right to be suspicious of Dib after their last meeting. However, Dib points out that most of what happened was either a coincidence or his own fault.
  • As abrasive as Mrs. Albertson is to her workers, she is right they are acting lazy, and she even points out that while her punishments are extreme, they were in her contracts so they knew what they were getting into.
  • While at Fantasy Con, Skoodge suggests studying a famous writer to see how he gains such a loyal following. Zim dismisses the idea, and turns out to be right, as the author's fans turn out to obsessive and toxic.

Jackie Chan Adventures

• Queen of All Oni:
  • Part of the reason for Jade's hatred for her family after her (magically induced by Daolon Wong) Face–Heel Turn is the resentment she feels for Jackie not giving her the respect she feels she deserves after saving both his life and the world from dark forces on multiple occasions (Uncle taking Tohru, a near stranger and former enemy, over her, his own flesh and blood, as his apprentice is also a factor).
  • When Valmont's coup attempt fails, Jade calls him out for betraying her even after she gave him a second chance at glory, he points out that she really shouldn't have expected kindness or gratitude from a master criminal.
• The Ultimate Evil: When Shendu is taken by the Shadowkhan to Jade who has become the Queen of the Shadowkhan and he refuses to take his prisoner Valerie Payne with him, she demands the Enforcers to take her to Jade. They refuse and lock her up, unsympathetic to her worry over Jade and unwilling to risk Shendu's wrath if they take her away from their hideout. However, Finn rightly points out that they don't even know where the Shadowkhan have taken Shendu, and considering that they had to witness the Cold-Blooded Torture Shendu inflicted on Hak Foo for nearly killing Valerie, they can't be blamed for not wanting to earn Shendu's ire through disobedience. Besides, Valerie is still recovering from the wounds inflicted by Hak Foo, so Shendu and the Enforcers are right not to take her to the confrontation in Section 13.

Kantai Collection

• The Greatest Generation: The way Admiral Shimada delivered his assertion left much to be desired, but the fact was that he had already sortied his full, optimal condition fleet the first time around and was beaten down to five effectives to little effect! No reasonable person can deny that sending five already fatigued and damaged kanmusu against six Abyssal carrier strike groups is the definition of Suicide Mission and Too Dumb to Live, a Senseless Sacrifice that would barely inconvenience the attacker, much less distract them from the refugees. After all, the general track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about how they sunk. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go.
  There's also the fact that compared to US Navy ships, IJN ships had ineffective and inferior antiaircraft guns, mounts, and outfits; for example, Enterprise in her final configuration carried more effective AA guns than all of Fubuki, Akatsuki and Shiratsuyu-class destroyers. Combined. ^note While the Japanese Type-3 127mm gun was theoretically a dual-purpose gun, in practice it was ineffective in the AA role due to a host of issues. The American 5" DP gun was significantly more successful as a weapon. And that's not even getting into just how bad the Type 96 25mm gun is compared to the 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikon. American ships could regularly fight off and weather air attacks that would have overwhelmed British and Japanese ships, and Yvonne's not realising the difference may have coloured her expectations and perceptions.
  Shimada: I have five ships! I will not send my girls to fight a battle they cannot win! They are tired, they are outnumbered and they cannot fight like this!

Katawa Shoujo

• Mean Time to Breakdown: Iwanako's teacher Mutou can tell that she's bottling things up rather than dealing with her issues, and calls her out on this. Unfortunately, his timing sucks. Probably not a good idea to give one of your students a "The Reason You Suck" Speech when she's currently hospitalized due to somebody else crashing into her.

Kill La Kill

• "Batteries": Nonon is the only one (out of the other characters) who's openly hostile and slut shames Ryuuko but she is right with how much the latter's absence really hurt Satsuki, so much so, that her health suffered and she was, once, hospitalized. Likewise, she has a point in suggesting that Ryuuko was in no position to care for another baby, as the one she already had she couldn't keep.
  Nonon: "Yeah, well, if something happens to you, it will kill her! So, if you fucked around and we had to give her bad news, she'd probably die right on the fucking spot."

Kung Fu Panda

• The Vow: Lady Lianne's father Lord Chang is a hard-ass noble and an emotionally distant father who pressures his only child into marriage for the sake of heirs and shows disdain towards her friend Lord Shen the moment he first sees him. However, his justification for his obsession to build a dynasty has a merit of truth to it when one considers the setting of ancient China and real life. Later Shen loses his own status due to his own crimes.
  Lord Chang: I have seen good men build themselves up from nothing, create for themselves a name and a place in the world. And I have seen how many noble families have been born to thrones yet die in the dirt. I knew that I never wanted that to happen to my family, I don't want us to be cast away, to lose everything we have and to end up cold and alone and miserable in squalor.
  Lianne: But that won't happen to us —
  Lord Chang: You never did understand politics. One can never be too careful. Emperors are fickle things, one moment wise, another benevolent, or cruel, or simply trying to escape the tediousness of their lives. It is all too easy to fall from grace.

Marvel Universe

• Enough Rope: Despite her Never My Fault tendencies, Wanda Maximoff is right when calls out Steve for talking about clearing their names while wanting to use her powers to commit more crimes, especially since said crimes aren't even For the Greater Good but to help Steve steal back his shield then brainwash T'Challa into allowing them to keep it despite vibranium being sacred to Wakandans.
• In Realistically Speaking: Tony refuses to help the others try to undo The Snap, citing that people have moved on after five years of grieving. Scott is initially upset that Tony won't help, until he pauses and considers that Maggie and Jim are both gone, meaning he's the only one who can take care of Cassie.

Mass Effect

• The Engineer: Shepherd is a racist, paranoid son of a bitch, but even those he's prejudiced against like Garrus note he usually has a point when criticizing someone, such as getting angry at Tali for an inability to follow orders, a valid concern in a combat situation.

The Matrix

• What If?: In The Return of What If, this is acknowledged to a minor degree; recalling Cypher's rants about how Morpheus 'tricked' them into taking the red pill, when making her own 'pitch' to potential recruits, Trinity ensures that they understand at least some of the potential problems they’ll face if they take the red pill while still promising them the truth.

Miraculous Ladybug

• Back To Us: When Alya uses the Fox Miraculous to make the AVA members think that she's Lila, they wonder if she's actually a Miraculous holder or is really akumatized. When she asks why it's so hard to believe, Chloé points out that Lila lied about it before; Alya begrudgingly concedes the point.
• Feralnette AU:
  • When Lila finally crosses a line that Alya can't rationalize away, Alya promptly knocks the Bitch in Sheep's Clothing flat on her backside. Lila immediately starts wailing about how pushy and overbearing Alya is, accusing her of never listening to her friends in favor of leaping to her own conclusions and reacting impulsively. While she's just Playing the Victim Card like usual, she still accurately pinpoints many of Alya's Fatal Flaws.
  • Bunnyx tells Marinette that she can't keep pushing her friends away and needs to learn how to trust others again. This is true; she does need a support network to help her deal with Hawkmoth and the other challenges in her life. The problem is that Bunnyx is a Time-Traveling Jerkass who's downright sanctimonious as she condescendingly lectures Marinette about how she should be acting and what she should feel, ignoring how her friends lost her trust in the first place and as though it's entirely upon Marinette to repair their relationships.
• Hero Chat: Chloé brings up the Rogercop incident, where she got her friend's father fired from his job as a police officer. While she admits that was probably a step too far, the fact remains that she told him someone had stolen from her, he dismissed her as lying without even bothering to check if the item was missing, and after the whole akuma mess, he got praised for finding the stolen item on the ground by sheer dumb luck.
  Nino: I know better than to say "hey I wonder if you're not actually a jerk and this was all a bunch of misunderstandings", but I do wonder if there were a handful of misunderstandings where people assume you were being a jerk when you're not.
  Chloé: Oh, no. Don't get me wrong, I have been a total asshole. But there have been a handful of times like that, yes. Even then I can admit that I might've been a jerk in those situations too. Like, I was legitimately upset and in the right but I was bitchy about it or whatever.
• The Karma of Lies:
  • While Lila is a Manipulative Bitch through and through, she rightly recognizes that Adrien and the bulk of her classmates are Secretly Selfish, taking Marinette's efforts to help them completely for granted. She incorporates this into her scams by presenting herself as an even better version of Marinette with connections that are Too Good to Be True. Over time, Marinette herself comes to realize how shallow their 'friendship' was and that they were All Take and No Give.
  • Alya, Alix and most of the class remain entitled to the end, refusing to admit they did anything wrong. Yet their anger towards Adrien upon learning that he knew about Lila's true nature the whole time and never bothered to warn them is entirely justified. Adrien makes matters worse with his own Lack of Empathy, expecting to be Easily Forgiven despite how his inaction cost each of them dearly, enabling Lila to effectively sabotage their futures through the long-term cost of her cons. Something they had been discussing in great detail before The Reveal, only for Adrien to insist they need to focus on helping him out right now.
• Leave for Mendeleiev: After learning that his son used to be Chat Noir, and listening to him complain about Ladybug refusing to trust him with a temporary Miraculous, Gabriel bluntly points out that he wasn't a very good hero. He constantly treated everything like a game, proving himself to be less than reliable as he cared far more about "having the time of [his] life". Given her experiences with him, Gabriel concludes that she had every right not to trust him, seeking out more dependable allies instead.
• Scarlet Lady:
  • An unintentional version happens in the comic's version of "The Gamer". After Max is de-akumatized, Scarlet Lady thanks him for exclusively going after Marinette and ignoring Adrien while he was a supervillain. While she's doing this because she's happy he broke up their "date", Max realizes that she actually has a point about how he lost to both Marinette and Adrien but made Marinette the only target of his ire, causing him to have a Jerkass Realization about how he treated her in general.
    Author's note: Time to rethink your entire life because somewhere under all the insults, Scarlet Lady had a point.
  • The titular Nominal Hero (Chloé with the Ladybug Miraculous) excuses her public humiliation of Lila by saying that Hawk Moth could target Lila in order to reach Scarlet Lady if he thought they were friends. While Scarlet Lady was actually getting Disproportionate Retribution for Lila trying to cozy up to Adrien, the argument she uses is a good one and it is accepted as such by the other people at the scene.
  • Gabriel Agreste is still an overprotective dad to the extreme here, but his interactions with stalkers like Scarlet Lady and Vincent Aza prove (in his own mind, at least) that he's at least somewhat justified in worrying about exposing his celebrity model son to the outside world.
  • In "Prime Queen", Scarlet Lady gets incredibly upset when Nadia shows more interest in harassing Chat Noir and Marigold over a potential romantic connection than interviewing her. However, the other heroes are more than happy to join her in walking out, as Nadia clearly doesn't care about the comfort of her guests, too focused on trying to force out a Love Confession.
    Chat Noir: Sorry, but for once I agree with Scarlet Lady. This has been incredibly unpleasant and uncomfortable.
    Nadia: Wait! The show isn't over! The fans will be disappointed if—
    Scarlet Lady: NO MEANS NO, LADY!
  • Chloé's mother Audrey is an entitled, Rich Bitch of the highest order who can't even be bothered to recall her daughters' names most of the time. When Chloé insists she's just as exceptional as Marinette, Audrey scoffs, bluntly pointing out that not only has she failed to achieve anything noteworthy on her own merit, but she's managed to get herself banned from any contests sponsored by Gabriel after being caught copying another's work, lost her class presidency, and was kicked off the judging panel for World's Greatest Chef for sabotaging a contestant.
• Telling Lies? No, Mama: Chloé leads the charge in exposing Lila, poking holes in all her stories and accusations towards Marinette. When questioned about her motives in helping Marinette, since the mayor's daughter has bullied her since they were little, Chloé reminds the class that even though she has not been the kindest to her in the past, she has never tried to turn everyone against her.
• In Tidal waves, Chloé convinces her classmates that they need to switch out the lead actress in Nino's horror film by pointing out how deeply uncomfortable Mylène is in the role. She's rewarded for this by getting to replace her... and by the class turning the movie into a horror-comedy, so that she doesn't get to enjoy being the star.
• Truth and Consequences: The day after Chat Noir attacks the mayor's mansion, Chloé milks it for all it's worth, acting like she was terribly traumatized so that others will be nicer to her at school. When Alya and Nino confront her, declaring that she's not helping them gain Chat Noir's trust so that they figure out what's really going on, Chloé fires back that Alya has no room to talk, given how she wrote an article on the Ladyblog accusing him of being a terrorist.
• Two Letters: Marinette is shown as bitter and resentful towards all of Paris, fully embracing Cartesian Karma and having No Sympathy for how the new Ladybug is a Sketchy Successor who has been causing all manner of problems for the various citizens of the city. She's also shown to have pretty valid reasons for how she feels. However, this ends up falling into "too much Jerkass, not enough of a point", as her Lack of Empathy extends so far that she actually arranged for Paris to suffer after her retirement, having convinced herself that they deliberately betrayed her and deserved to be hurt back via Disproportionate Retribution.
  • While she has no empathy for anyone who's been akumatized, even otherwise good people who are only guilty of having a Moment of Weakness, and doesn't really account for how More than Mind Control is at work, Marinette does have a good point that it seems like no one is even trying to resist or avoid being akumatized or even taking any measures to prevent being in a position where it could happen to begin with. She's also right about how petty and trivial some of the reasons for being akumatized really are. And that's not even getting into repeat offenders like Xavier Ramier.
  • A major source of Marinette's bitterness came from how the people of Paris were acting ungrateful and entitled about Ladybug's work, judging her harshly for her few failings in spite of her numerous victories all while still expecting her to protect the city as they condemned her. Marinette's meetings with Mayor Bourgeois, Nadja and Alya show this to be true, as all three insist that Ladybug will have to help them regardless of how they treated her simply because "she's a hero".
  • She also considers Alya's decision to tell Nino that she was Rena Furtive to be an unforgivable betrayal, as she risked compromising Marinette's Secret Identity, noting that if Hawkmoth learned who she was, he wouldn't even have to send an akuma after her — he could simply send regular criminals after her and her family, and rip the Earrings right off her before she could transform.
    • Furthermore, she berates Alya for insisting that she doesn't even know why Marinette's so upset with her, declaring that her inability to grasp the source of her anger is just evidence of how little attention or care she paid to her 'bestie'. When Marinette does explain why she's so upset, Alya continues to downplay its severity and insist that "Everyone makes mistakes!", only irritating her further.
• What Goes Around Comes Around:
  • After his father's arrest, Adrien protests his aunt Amelie's plans to take him back to London with her and her son. Felix proves less than sympathetic to his cousin's plight, but accurately points out that his main counterargument doesn't work: he's claiming that he wants to stay in Paris with his friends, but has managed to alienate himself from everyone after they learned about his Betrayal by Inaction... to the point where they may not even consider him to be their friend anymore.
  • Adrien not only feels entitled to Marinette after learning that she's Ladybug, having convinced himself that they're "soulmates", he also firmly believes that means Marinette should be solely devoted to making him happy and do whatever he asks of her. Like give up the Earrings at his request so he can hand them over to his parents, despite knowing that both are supervillains. Emilie hits him with a Breaking Speech, calling out just how naive and self-centered he is and that his "ideal relationship" is entirely one-sided, being All Take and No Give.

My Hero Academia

• Izuku himself in chapter 21 of A What If hands out detentions at least once in almost all of his classes, but does so to make clear he is an authority figure and will not tolerate disrespect. He also argues for Bakugo's expulsion, giving him a month's detention with Hound Dog when Aizawa refuses, citing that the boy attacked a faculty member with his Quirk, something that could have seriously injured Izuku.
• Moe Bakugou in Ara Ara is quite crass and abrasive when berating All-Might for how he treated Izuku, but even the man himself admits she was right that he basically ignored Izuku after giving him One For All despite the teen destroying his arms when he used it.
• Downplayed in Disciplinary Action. While reviewing the footage of the Heroes vs. Villains exercise, Nedzu pauses after Katsuki yells at Izuku for standing up to him while scared out of his mind, noting that somebody who's easily frightened would make a poor hero... but so would the "uniquely human sort of predator" who enjoys inspiring fear, as Katsuki clearly does.
• Enji Todoroki's Guide to Handling Children: Endeavor is a Stern Teacher who's more abrasive than Aizawa, but his criticisms of his students are all valid. Whether he's chewing out Bakugo for using excessive force, criticizing the students' costumes for being form over function, or lecturing Izuku for his recklessness, he's always right. For Izuku in particular, rather than praise the boy's selflessness, he criticizes his lack of self-preservation, declaring that if Izuku really wants to save as many people as possible, he needs to reign himself in lest he retire before even graduating due to obliterating his limbs.
  • He later calls out the teachers for wanting to pair Izuku and Bakugo together during exams, citing that their animosity is entirely one way and Bakugo is liable to maim Izuku when the other boy refuses to let him go off on his own. Endeavor instead convinces them to pair Bakugo with Shoto as their animosity is mutual so there won't be any imbalance between them.
• Level Up:
  • Sir Night Eye knew that Izuku wouldn't be able to inherit One For All since the moment All-Might started training the boy. He didn't say anything because 1) Even without One For All, Izuku still needed physical conditioning to be a hero, and 2) One For All boosts Quirks as well as physical abilities and Izuku's Quirk is a sentient borderline malicious entity that warps reality with ease.
    • Chapter 23 reveals that Izuku's Quirk didn't want him to have One For All because it would consume her and the prospect terrified her. The others admit it makes sense from a Quirk's point of view.
  • When Izuku finally has a chance to speak to his Quirk directly, he asks why it's always so mean to him and called him a weakling all the time. His Quirk replies that Izuku was a weakling and he never applied himself, only complained about his Quirk rather than actually attempting to better himself.
• For Love, doubt and super cute babies!, this is Deconstructed a lot in terms of how Aizawa functions as a teacher, with an emphasis on his interactions with Momo. Particularly when he finds out Momo is training to use her new gauntlets for the final exam, right before said exam.
  • On one side, he has entirely rational reasons for her to not use them, since changing your entire fighting style right before an event that will have a major impact upon your life is generally a bad idea. Plus, he has seen too many villains fall prey to being too dependent upon their support gear/weaponry.
  • However, the way he chooses to express this makes him come off as abrasive, condescending, and insulting to Momo, Izuku, and Mei - and Izuku's reaction to Aizawa (who traumatized him with his brutal rejection of Izuku's attempt to join the Hero Course) only makes Momo more willing to dig her heels in. And the fact that he underestimates both Momo's skills and the quality of the gear only makes it worse.
• Mean Rabbit:
  • In the first chapter, Miruko very bluntly states Izuku can't be a hero, not because he's Quirkless, but because he's "lazy". The boy doesn't exercise or train in any way and hasn't even learned how to throw a punch. In her words, sketches and dreams don't make up for laziness.
  • While most of Izuku's classmates see him as selfish for defending his place at U.A. — especially the ones who were nearly expelled as a result — Hagakure acknowledges that he did outperform her and several others at the physical tasks, and that it wasn't fair for Aizawa to claim otherwise and try booting him out just because he was Quirkless. She also asks his advice on creating a training regimen for herself.
  • Izuku is disgusted to learn about Denki's piss-poor control of his Quirk, questioning why U.A. would let somebody like that in. When Jiro snaps that he sounds like Aizawa, he retorts that "the man's a bastard but he's not an idiot."
• Tenya does this multiple times in My Iron Giant, where he makes multiple smart observations about Izuku despite his jealousy. Such as questioning how Izuku will give the speech at the Sports Festival if he cannot speak full sentences, which Manga admits is valid.
• Think Before You Speak:
  • Chitose is part of the MLA's Propaganda Machine and is no stranger to twisting the truth to her own ends. But she still declares that Tensei's Big Brother Instinct doesn't give him the right to thrust a student into the public eye by ranting to the media about a training accident at U.A., naming names and potentially ruining their future in the process.
  • The Hero Commission eagerly exploits the scandal as a way to dig into U.A.'s records with the intent of meddling more with how Nedzu runs things. However, they aren't entirely wrong to call their methods into question, particularly when it comes to Aizawa. In fact, the problems were caused in large part because Aizawa was used to minimal oversight, getting annoyed when Nedzu informed him that he wouldn't be allowed to freely expel anyone this year, and attempting to circumvent the Principal's authority.
  • Endeavor has not gone through any of his Character Development yet, but still condemns Tensei for his lack of professionality. He also points out to Aizawa that kicking Midoriya out of Pro Heroics will not address his Martyr Without a Cause tendencies; it just cuts him off from resources and training that could potentially help him deal with those issues and get them under control.

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

• Getting Back on Your Hooves: In the opening of Twilight Sparkle's "The Reason You Suck" Speech against Prince Blueblood, she admits he is right to blame the Gala's destruction on Pinkie Pie, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy. Though that still doesn't excuse the rest of his Jerkass behavior.
• Loved and Lost:
  • After Twilight Sparkle stops the Changeling invasion, Prince Jewelius takes over Equestria's throne and turns the princesses as well as Twilight's brother and friends into hated pariahs by exposing their canon mistakes that contributed to the invasion taking place. He and his sadistic minion Commander Hildread repeatedly remind the disgraced heroes that they could have prevented the invasion if they had listened to Twilight's suspicions regarding the false Cadance instead of being overly focused on the wedding or had simply postponed the wedding to get the looming threat of (at the time) unknown attackers out of the way first. Though they're rather smug about this and it turns out that Jewelius at first worked with the Changelings to take over Equestria before double-crossing them, the ashamed heroes fully own up to their blunders as they try to clear their names and make amends.
  • After Jewelius manipulates Twilight into turning against her friends, brother and mentor for their treatment of her at the wedding rehearsal, she coldly disowns her brother when she mistakenly believes he and the others caused Cadance to become injured and adamantly refuses to listen to them when they try to warn her about Jewelius' true nature. When Applejack tries to use her Element of Honesty as a surety in this regard, Twilight brings up the fact that during the wedding preparations, her former friends didn't live up to the promise they made about not dismissing a friend's concerns lightly, which gets them to realize how justified Twilight is in her refusal to trust them anymore. When Rainbow Dash points out in their defense that Twilight was throwing around her accusations in a way that made her look jealous, the unicorn counters by reminding them all that her brother had told her that it seemed the wedding wasn't important to her, before asking if her friends, Shining Armor or Celestia ever considered that they weren't the only ones for whom the wedding was important. They cannot offer any defensive answer for that, remembering all of Canterlot's ponies who suffered because of the nearly successful invasion that took place in the midst of the wedding (including the loyalist members of the Royal Guard whom Jewelius ordered disposed of, the public easily believing their deaths to be casualties of the invasion). Fortunately, Twilight eventually reconciles with the others after a Jerkass Realization on her part, and when she tries to blame herself alone for Jewelius' coup, the others acknowledge that her earlier points against them were correct and own up to their own mistakes while reassuring her that neither she nor anypony else was entirely at fault.
  • Overlapping with Villain Has a Point, Queen Chrysalis of all characters is the first one who manages to make Twilight doubt Jewelius' trustworthiness by telling her mockingly yet truthfully that Jewelius is trying to get rid of anypony who would threaten his rule and will cast Twilight aside once he has gotten all he wants out of her, just like he did to Chrysalis herself by double-crossing her. This being Chrysalis, of course, Twilight refuses to believe her, so it isn't until much later that she finds out the hard way how right Chrysalis was.
• MLDC Firestorm Crisis: Rainbow has this sort of reaction when the others make assumptions about why Sunset Shimmer is an Alpha Bitch.
  Rainbow Dash: 'Poor Sunset', really?" The others looked to Rainbow Dash. "So what if she did come from a crappy home, is an orphan, or was abused. There other people who have gone through that and aren’t total assholes. Taking out your problems on other people is a coward's way of dealing with them, instead of facing them!
• The Nuptialverse: In Families, aside from the Fantastic Racism fueling their vendetta against Spike, Olive Branch's anti-Celestia movement actually has some good points, such as the fact that she really does always rely on others to fight the more dangerous threats to Equestria, and the fact that the Royal Guard failed against the changeling invasion despite supposedly being on high alert. Though when it ultimately turns out that Olive Branch was only using the movement as a (poorly thought out) scheme to force Celestia to make him immortal and didn't actually give a damn about her politics, the movement falls apart.

My-HiME

• Perfection Is Overrated: Nao, despite her antipathy toward Natsuki and largely amoral nature, reminds Natsuki that killing is not something to be done lightly, noting that she has not tried to kill any of the perverts she robbed. Natsuki agrees but notes that they have little other choice in dealing with Shizune.

Naruto

• Dead Man Walking: Jiraiya may have been brutally honest in explaining to Naruto why he can never be a ninja, but his reasoning (Naruto is a severely Delicate and Sickly) is entirely sound. Even Kushina admits that he has a point, despite wanting to hurt the man for crushing her son's dream ^note Though that makes her a bit of a Hypocrite considering that she knew full well that her son's condition would prevent him from achieving his dream, and that she was only prolonging the inevitable.
• History's Strongest Shinobi: While out getting information on his target Naruto, Neji goes to a meeting between Ragnarok members. During their conversation, Odin offers him a spot in Ragnarok. Neji responds that he's got better things to do than join a "cute little gang" treating their fights for high school territory like Serious Business. Considering Neji is there to assassinate Naruto, it's made clear this isn't his first assignment and he comes close to killing Naruto, the previous conflict between Naruto and Kenichi fighting Ragnarok seems childish in comparison.
• In The Last Prayer, while blackmailing Sakura, one of the things Ino makes her do is study obsessive love and write reports on it. Even though Ino is doing it almost entirely to give herself a better chance with Sasuke, she's shown to be nonetheless correct that Sakura's infatuation with Sasuke is unhealthy.
• Naru-Hina Chronicles: After Naruto and Hinata adopt a baby fox as a pet and they name him Kosuke, there is a chapter where Naruto thinks that the Kyubi is also Kosuke's father. However, the demon fox points out there's no way he would have had the time to mate with a vixen, who would most likely be only the size of his toe, at any point during the several generations where he had been sealed and re-sealed.
• Naruto Ramen Days:
  • Sasuke rips Tsunade a new one after hearing why she left the village.
    Sasuke: This is the person we went through all this trouble to ask to be our Hokage? Someone who just runs away from all their problems and spends all their time drinking and gambling? Don't think I missed the fact that Jiraiya was looking at casinos and bars when he was trying to find you.
    Tsunade: Now see here, what does a brat like you know about-
    Sasuke: What do I know about loss? Was your entire family killed in a single night? Did you come home to find your parents lying on the floor, covered in blood? Did you find a single relative still alive, only to find out that he was the one who was responsible? ...I didn't think so. This whole time you've been treating us like we weren't worthy of your time, like we should be thankful you bothered to speak with us at all, when really you're just a coward who abandoned her village and her duties as soon as something went wrong. I guess you were right about one thing; if someone like you is going to be our Hokage, the title really is worthless.
  • While expanding the party, Naruto is insistent on adding Sakura, only for the others to point out she'd bring literally nothing to the party that someone else doesn't do better. Sasuke suggests Neji due to his greater skill and utility, though they eventually settle on Hinata when Hanabi points out that Neji doesn't work well with others.
• NBH:
  • Yuugao can be quite harsh, criticizing Kurenai for not doing more to help Hinata's confidence issues or dealing with Naruto's moping (attacking him with a sword until he's too busy trying to survive to mope). However, when Kurenai says she has "no place being around children", Yuugao is absolutely right when she points out that she isn't; she's around soldiers.
    Kurenai: It's not her fault, her family...
    Yuugao: And now you're her teacher. Now, she's your soldier. Now she's your responsibility. She has a problem, it's your job to fix it.
    Kurenai: You can't just magically wave a wand and make someone's problems and insecurities go away.
    Yuugao: And you can't sit there and blame it all on her family when what you try fails.
  • Earlier, Kin's hatred of Ino is shown to stem less from her Faux Action Girl status (though Kin hates that as well), but because Ino possessed Kin with her clan techniques, something Kin finds incredibly violating on a very intimate level.
• Since When is Danzo the Voice of Reason?: The entire premise of the story is Danzo rightfully pointing out that motivations and feelings aside, Sasuke is a traitor to the village and must be treated as such, especially since his recent attack on Killer Bee would otherwise be an act of war by Konoha against Kumo.
• Why a Civilian Council is Inappropriate combines this and a Take That! towards the idea of a civilian council, as both Tobirama AND Madara rebuke Hashirama for thinking about creating one. Tobirama cites that 1) Konoha is a shinobi village and 2) civilians both are ignorant of what shinobi go through and only meant to provide resources and extra revenue while Madara points out the Daimyo typically don't hire common people as advisors.

Neon Genesis Evangelion

• Read The Fine Print: Nerv's staff become ashamed when Asuka reports them for harassing a little boy. After hearing her out, Fuyutsuki is puzzled at her reporting someone else's jerkassery, but he agrees that their behavior was unacceptable.
  The adult officers remained abashedly silent as a thirteen-year-old girl spoke of them laughing at a fourteen-year-old boy who was just trying to offer an explanation for his inability to do something they had asked of him.
• Rise of the Minisukas: Upon hearing the name of Shinji's new sword (the "Magoroku Exterminate Sword"), Asuka demands to know who is naming their weapons. Ritsuko tells her off, but she privately agrees that Asuka is right and those names are dumb. But she does not want to give the obnoxious girl the satisfaction of admitting she is right.
  "The Magoroku Exterminate Sword's form was chosen after careful testing. I'm sorry if that offends your European Sensibilities Pilot Soryu." Ritsuko retorted back, wishing she could strangle the smug German girl in front of her.
  "Magoroku Exterminate Sword? Seriously? Who names these things? I mean Smash Hawk was one thing, but-"
  "Yes yes, I'll be sure to forward your complaints on the naming scheme to the relevant departments. Now if you have anything to say about your own Eva's equipment then say it or zip your lip and get in your entry plug." Asuka glared at her and stomped off toward Unit-02's entry plug. Ritsuko stared at her until she was sure Asuka was out of earshot. "Note to self, do an audit of the naming department if possible." She wouldn't give Asuka the pleasure of admitting that she also thought the names for some of their equipment were questionable at times.

Persona

• Hours 'Verse: When Wakaba explains her interest in using meta-space for helping people change their distorted cognitions, Adachi remarks that marching into someone's head and literally changing their mind sounds really morally dubious, to which Kei interally notes that he does unfortunately have to agree with the murderer on this one.

Power Rangers

• In Crimson Rising, while the more experienced Rangers resent Will (Power Rangers Operation Overdrive) pointing out that the Overdrive Rangers are the only team where none of the Rangers have ever gone evil or ‘failed’ to completely destroy their villains yet, none of them deny his accusation (although this still doesn’t justify Will betraying the Rangers to side with Sector Nine).

Pokémon

• Lets Play Arceus With Milly: Like in canon, Kamado is highly suspicious of Milly (who takes the place of the protagonist) due to her origins. However, her incredibly unhinged and violent behavior does her no favors on this front — to the point that other characters acknowledge that he might have a point when he accuses her of being somehow responsible for the rifts ravaging Hisui.
• Pokémon Reset Bloodlines: Paul is as much of a Jerkass as he is in canon. However, when Erika places a ban on male challengers in her gym, he has legitimate grounds to be annoyed, since this causes problems for many trainers who did nothing to deserve it.

Pretty Cure

• Futari Wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon: Though she's just a member of the Girl Posse, not the actual Alpha Bitch herself (that's Emiru), Mia makes a full Heel–Face Turn by breaking Asa out of her Heroic BSoD. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for causing it.

Real Person Fic

• In The Keys Stand Alone: The Soft World, Spectrem angrily confronts Paul's Actual Pacifism, which he sees as a foolish stance in the middle of a war. He points out that at some point Paul is "gonna hit something... where you have to hit something". Paul recognizes all too well that this is true, though he won't give Spectrem the satisfaction of agreeing with him. Later, during the parade battle on Tipaan, watching the "Senator" and his Animal cohorts injuring and killing people, Paul reluctantly decides he has to intervene. Spectrem's words haunt him at this point. He does manage to take the "Senator" down without hitting him, though.

The Rising of the Shield Hero

• Ambition of the Red Princess:
  • Malty correctly points out that Naofumi wearing raider armor from Siltvelt is not only bad for his image but could get possibly get them in trouble during combat because it might make someone mistake him for a bandit.
  • Lautrec insists Raphtalia has to get over her fear of blood if she's to be any use in the Waves.
  • In the sixth interlude, Malty is quite vicious in calling out Itsuki on his messes, such as wiping out the royal family and the higher ranks of the military of Stormwind to save Rishia, thus all but sentencing a kingdom to be wiped out in the Waves, and accidentally setting an inquisitor after Naofumi, nearly getting Lute destroyed, and causing an international incident with Faubley when he killed the inquisitor to stop him, by talking to the inquisitor without fully knowing the facts. The only reason Itsuki doesn't agree vocally is that he's mentally calling himself out over that and allowing Mald to bully Rishia.
• Iwatani Naofumi - Bitchslayer: The other heroes try to criticize Naofumi for owning a slave, causing him to point out slavery is perfectly legal in Melromarc. When Itsuki insists that it's their duty to uphold the values of their worlds, Naofumi calls him out, stating that they're guests in another world. Acting according to the laws and morals of their worlds is going to result in them needlessly offending others and quite possibly breaking the law.

Rosario + Vampire

• In one story, Moka gets upset with Tsukune for telling off Yukari. Tsukune is quick to counter that even if Yukari is only 11, she's still in high school and is expected to act with more maturity than she has been, which even Moka can't deny.
• Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness:
  • In Act III chapter 7, Dark actually does make a valid point when he expresses his doubts that Tsukune can't hold the ghoul off forever even with the Holy Lock, especially considering that the ghoul had previously influenced Tsukune's actions before without Tsukune knowing it; since he had already trusted Tsukune before to keep the ghoul contained only for Tsukune to fail, why should he trust him to do so again?
  • When Yukari is in denial over her feelings for Ahakon in Act III and insists she belongs to Moka and Tsukune, Kokoa points out to her in a tactless way that no one ever objected to her dream to have a threesome with them because they knew she never stood a chance at doing so. Despite the way she says it, Yukari acknowledges she has a point.
  • In Act IV chapters 2 and 3, while everyone else is spending their time lambasting the Reformed, but Rejected Akua and Kahlua and outright asking why they should forgive them for their crimes under Fairy Tale, Dark is quick to remind them that he was a member of Fairy Tale once as well, and if they can forgive and accept him for his actions back then, then they should at least give Akua and Kahlua a fair chance; when Kurumu points out that Dark never went as far as to try to destroy the world like Kahlua and Akua did, Dark then reminds them that he was forced to kill an innocent child, which is just as bad.
    Inner Moka: I hate it when he makes a point like that.
  • In Act IV, both the original Falla and Hokuto, both of whom are extremely manipulative Jerkasses and, in Hokuto's case, a Straw Nihilist/Omnicidal Maniac, make a valid point when they tell the heroes that Yokai Academy's teachings are more about hiding amongst the humans rather than actually co-existing with them.

RWBY

• The Arc Family Techniques: In the prologue, Jaune's father says he'll allow Jaune to become a Huntsman only if he manages to land a blow on his oldest sister Saphron in a spar and demands Saphron not hold back. At her urging, Jaune lands a blow on her by using one of the family's seduction techniques, only for their father to insist the doing so invalidated the spar and chews Jaune out for using one of those techniques on family. While initially seeming like a case of Moving the Goalposts, their father later has to physically restrain Saphron from sneaking into Jaune's room with amorous intentions, making it clear he was in the right.
• In the Kingdom's Service: Near the end, Glynda insists Ozpin use Coco Adel to become the new Fall Maiden. Ozpin hesitates, citing that he's still not sure she'd be the ideal choice, but Glynda shuts him down because Beacon is currently under attack by those who want to steal the Fall Maiden's powers; there is no time to worry about finding the ideal choice. Ozpin reluctantly agrees with her, even after Glynda says that if she can't get hold of Coco, she'll grab any female student she can find.
• Linked in Life and Love: Kojak, a bear Faunus that has grown up in the rough side of Faunus Fantastic Racism, may be a jerk in how he condemned Blake for mating with a Schnee and tried to out her when they disagreed, especially since he doesn't know her past with the White Fang, but his points about how Blake is insulting their whole race by hiding her Faunus features and how she could've been a symbol instead hit more close to home than she'd like to admit.
• RWBY: Destiny of Remnant: Councilor Benedict, the military representative on the Vale Council, is definitely not a nice man in the slightest, and his accusations against Ozpin are wrong, but he does make a good point about how the security measures taken to protect Amber were flawed to the point that it ended up helping Cinder claim the rest of the Fall Maiden's power. Even Ozpin and Glynda can't argue against that.
• Stress Relief: Despite being the Big Bad and a callous bitch, Cinder's right when she declares that Pyrrha had "defeated herself long before [Cinder] showed up" when it came to winning Jaune's affections. Pyrrha had been his partner for months, training with him in her spare time and sleeping in the same room, yet never made a single move on him. Conversely, Cinder made a move on him and had the boy wrapped around her finger in a single day. She also correctly notes that Jaune training exclusively against Pyrrha has been working against him because the two have become so used to each other's moves that they move to block attacks that haven't been made yet and strike at openings that aren't yet there.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

• In Home, while Coda is primarily motivated by Realpolitik, he has every right to be suspicious of Hordak, considering his conquering campaign with the Etherian Horde and Entrapta essentially giving him Dryl when she joined the Horde.

A Song of Ice and Fire

• Chasing Dragons: Walder Frey is still his usual pleasant self, but he does truthfully point out to Harry Flash that the fragile peace between the various religious factions in Westeros is only being held together by Stannis' iron will. As Walder points out, once he's gone and his son Lyonel (whom an increasingly fanatical Cersei has more influence than Stannis over) has taken the throne, things are bound to explode.
• In The Dawn of Ice and Fire, Viserys Targaryen is very much resentful of his brother Rhaegar for toppling their family from the throne and sent Westeros into war over one woman. Even worse is the fact Lyanna Stark was already promised to Robert Baratheon. So Viserys makes a good point, but he purposely rubs it into his innocent nephew.
• Robb Returns:
  • During his trial for his corruptive practices, embezzling, outright robbery, and his attempt to have Robert Arryn kidnapped, Littlefinger points out the nobles' hypocrisy in relation to the smallfolk, Stannis' inability to get past any slight (imagined or otherwise) even though he controls Dragonstone and is the Master of Ships, and Jon Arryn's inability to control the King's excesses and to discover that Cersei's children are not the King's.
  • Tywin, although unable to accept that magic is returning in spite of all proof, has a good point in being wary about the possibility: given its ties to dragons, he knows someone will attempt to wake dragons from their eggs. Indeed, Viserys Targaryen is planning to do this.
• What If: When Catelyn begs her sister Lysa to not marry her only daughter with Jon Snow in chapter 18, Lysa points out how Jon Snow — as Ned Stark's offspring and a lower-birth suitor — is the perfect consort for Sansa. Moreover, Jon taking the name Arryn would mean his children and grandchildren would never try to steal Winterfell as they are already in line to inherit the Vale. Catelyn realizes her sister is right and gives her blessing to the marriage.

Sponge Bob Square Pants

• Some Things Never Change: Squilliam was a Smug Snake Jerk with a Heart of Jerk Rich Bastard for sure, but during his last encounter with Squidward at the former's birthday party in 2017, where Squidward was forced to cater as part of Mr. Krabs' "Krusty Katering" operation, Squilliam rubbed his success in his long-time rival's nose one last time, while also giving him a passive-aggressive dressing down which nonetheless, made Squidward realize that his obsessive quest to beat Squilliam, despite the latter always having had a massive and unfair advantage that Squidward could do nothing about, had ultimately led to nothing but pain and humiliation and Squidward's refusal to admit defeat and move only needlessly prolonged their rivalry and caused him much more anguish while offering Squilliam continued free entertainment.

Steven Universe

• The Wrath Of Topaz: Topaz, who manages to wreak his vengeance on the Crystal Gems after twelve years, actually has every right to be angry at them for throwing him out after he accidentally killed Rose Quartz and not letting him explain himself, even if he is getting a bit carried away with his methods.

Tokyo Mew Mew

• Girl With a Porpoise is a rewriting of the story, but with Lettuce as the leader character. During a confrontation with Pie, he delivers a speech about his hatred for humans. Even Lettuce ends agreeing that people haven't been good to the planet, but that there are still good people trying to help the environment. After this, he offers her a chance to be saved mentioning that she isn't like the other humans and he solemnly believes it to be due to a genetic anomaly.
  Lettuce: How can you turn something so beautiful as a cherry blossom into something so deadly?
  Pie: You accuse me of defacing something beautiful? It is you humans who know nothing about beauty. I was horrified when I first arrived on this once beautiful planet. The ugly scars left by humans were obvious everywhere I looked: Machines emitting fumes and dripping crude oils; litter everywhere, even in the oceans; entire species of plants and animals destroyed through overhunting and carelessness; the ozone layer weakening; the night skies once dark and full of stars dimmed. Irreparable damage caused by generations of humans. This planet once belonged to my people. And we will make it ours again, after we have destroyed the entire human race and reshaped the world, restoring it to its former glory, to how it was before the plague known as humans came.

Tolkien's Legendarium

• The Heart Trilogy:
  • In Heart of Ashes, the second installment, Andraya is a misandristic witch, abusive towards her timid and normal daughter Freyja, and she arrogantly thinks that she can make Smaug do favors she thinks he owes her. However, when she telepathically argues with the dragon in the 16th chapter, she says that he cannot provide for his love interest Kathryn with a peaceful life as long as he tries to conquer Erebor back or the joys of an ordinary woman. Though Smaug doesn't admit it to Andraya, he's afterwards left thoughtful by her words. In the epilogue, Kathryn is so tired of all the heartache Smaug's wickedness has caused that she agrees to continue her life with him only if he promises to peacefully settle down with her and forget about his evil goals.
  • In Heart of the Inferno, Smaug gripes to Kathryn that her tendency to risk her life for the sake of others will one day land her in a position from which even he can't save her. Following the birth of Kolstros and Vervenia that results in Kathryn being saved from death only by Gandalf's intervention, Kathryn admits that Smaug has a point and promises to think more for herself, especially since she needs to stay alive for the sake of her mate and their newborn children.

Tsubasa -RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE-

• Shatterheart: While Fai has ostracized, ignored, and hated R!Syaoran for most of the first half of the story and is being a massive hypocrite about it, he is right that Kurogane and Syaoran have an extremely codependent relationship and hiding the truth would only hurt them in the long run. He also points out that, regardless of Syaoran initiating the relationship, Kurogane is taking advantage of someone emotionally vulnerable and who is in love with someone else.

Worm

• A Darker Path: Atropos correctly points out that if anyone else had come to Panacea with an unconscious Bonesaw needing to be disarmed and decontaminated, "you'd be all over it like white on rice. You're just hesitating because I kill people and I'm 'not to be trusted'." Panacea grudgingly accepts it.
• Intrepid: Alan Barnes admits he screwed over Taylor and her father in order to protect his daughter, but the PRT would throw her under the bus to protect Sophia (because reputation is everything to them), Danny would likely take them to Civil Court for it out of revenge, which not only affects her but their entire family.
• Wyvern: In general, Armsmaster has fairly sound ideas but a thoroughly undiplomatic attitude that makes it difficult for him to get one people's good sides.
  • He initially plays hardball with Taylor when he finds out that she was the one who blew up her locker. While yes, it wasn't the best thing to do, his internal logic was sound: present the facts of the case, tell her exactly how much damage she could have done, how many could have been hurt or killed, and how dangerous what she did was. This would have led up to a recruitment pitch for the Wards, where they could train her to use her power safely. Unfortunately, his explanation just made her transform, and he was unaware that said explosion was her Trigger Event. Were the previous two points not the case, it might have been an effective speech.
  • His intentions of getting Taylor in for testing at least make sense — Taylor has New Powers as the Plot Demands, some of which have been shown to be incredibly destructive. Her first day, with no training, had her blow up her locker from the inside and melt his halberd to slag, and that's before they learn that she gets bigger as a result of fights, can talk while huge, and much more. Taylor doesn't even know what the full extent of her powers are, which could be potentially dangerous for any civilians if she tries out a new type of fireball and roasts a crowd. While he is glad that she's on a team that can help guide her into being a hero, the testing facilities of New Wave consist of "whatever Vicky can throw together in her backyard", while the Protectorate has far vaster resources that could help her out.

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