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do you think superjail deserves examples or Getting Crap Past the Radar page? because this show despite the TV-MA-V rating, it deserves one.
As long as you can explain why it shouldn't have been present in the show in the first place.
Right now, Radar.Magic The Gathering is not indexed. Radar.Card Games currently has nothing but Yu-Gi-Oh! examples on it. To fix this, two ideas came to mind: 1) the info on the former page could be moved to Radar.Card Games, or 2) the Tabletop Games folder on the main page could be moved to its own subpage, Radar.Card Games could be renamed to Radar.YuGiOh, and then it and the MTG page could be indexed on the new Tabletop Games subpage. Thoughts?
Just a general question, is it really getting something past the radar if the work was never for children or teens anyway? Because there are a lot of mature works that end up here.
I can think so. Many works catering at adults have standards set.
Yes. Any reference that would outrage the general populance, and would be taken out if the execs realised what it was. Imagine a disgruntled writer managing to hide a reference that Jesus was a paedophile.
This may be kind of random, but um...
It makes me sad that this seemingly negative trope is actually fairly common, like people don't even care what kind of content their putting in the shows that are targeted at young audiences. o.O
Do people with fame and fortune even have standards anymore? :O
... is this a troll post?
..... no....? o.O
Larkmarn, it's not nice to assume someone is a troll simply for having a different opinion. -.-
Nothing about the tone of the post screams troll to me.
Angelthread,as to my opinion on the issue, I can get where you are coming from. Sometimes pointless and potentially offensive jokes are put in to shows which are marginally meant for children, and it can sometimes be off putting.
I've honestly never been that bothered by it personally. My parents where very liberal when it came to things like sex and such. Did not exactly want me playing say, Leisure Suit Larry , but a hidden dirty joke in a cartoon was not gonna kill me. That said, sometimes I disliked that other kids where kept from watching an otherwise decent show by their parents and it felt like the peripheral jokes where just robbing children of stricter parents of their enjoyment.
When I was a kid, there many different opinions about what kids could take.
You had people who would be entirely against violence in kids shows, you had people who where against any form of religious or philosophical themes in kids shows, and you had people who where even against coherent plot in kids shows. There was an overarching desire to dumb down anything labeled 'for kids' and the only way one could make something more complicated than a generic, episodic series was to gently push for something extra.
So, most of my favorite shows as a kid where guilty of pushing the radar a bit, as it was the only way to introduce new concepts to kids shows.
The only issue I've really personally had with any media was with Anime. (Not dissing anime. Huge anime fan here.) In particular how some of the more 'ecchi' shows would sexualize young girls.
I am mostly against censorship, even in kids shows, but to say certain things don't get to me is a lie.
In conclusion: I can't entirely agree with you because I come from a generation where adults thought kids couldn't understand anything with mature themes. If it were not for people pushing certain aspects of the radar at the time, the shows of my childhood would have been far more boring. That said, I can understand where you are coming from as I have my own issues with certain media.
Wow, this was only 3 months ago? o.O Feels longer... but I haven't been a troper for very long after all.
Thank you Nirri. :)
I guess it depends then, huh?
Well, all of the sexual innuendos seem kind of wrong anyway. :p
I've been having a headache lately so I'm not really sure where to start, but I guess some darker kid's stuff was surprisingly some of my favorite and I think I could handle it pretty well, like from Disney there's The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame. ^^; Along with Beauty and the Beast, it was a good way of showing don't judge a book by it's cover. :p
I'm not sure how much a work of fiction can be blamed for having a negative affect on people, but it definitely can't be good to be completely apathetic about it either...
Anyways, on the opposite scale of playing something I'm too young for, possibly (it wasn't as adult as some of the stuff in FFVII anyway like the wall market. XD), things like Breath of Fire III and Wild Arms taught me to not judge people for having different beliefs from your own, even though I was born in a Christian family.
What's even more funny is that I think Native Americans were tied to this, like the baskars in Wild Arms which has a western theme to it, and I even am from Texas and learned about it a lot in grade school. XD
I think someone even said something like it's not possible for babies or animals to go to Heaven because they can't believe in God... and I was only 10 at the time and thought that was really wrong... I became an Atheist just from that...
But then there was also this priest I think that said he met a nice good hearted guy but he wasn't a Christian and he would always tell him he's just not ready to be converted and then he died before converting and I think he didn't believe he was saved... :( He also said though that the more you put something off and say you're not ready, the more unready you'll be. That part might actually be a good message though. ^^;
Also, that one shocking episode of Gargoyles where one of the gargoyles accidentally shot that one human girl really got to me. :( It taught me that guns were bad though. XD
So um... I guess my point is that as long as it's relatively childish or not too mature, having darker stuff teach you good morals can actually be good. :p
This kind of stuff that subtly throws in adult jokes to go over kid's heads is a whole different story though. ^^;
I don't want to make it look like I'm overreacting and being a Moral Guardian or anything though. :( But if I had kids, I think I'd be worried about what I'd show them... call me strict, but I'd want to raise my kids the best I can until their old enough for some things. :p If their precocious enough, maybe I'd show them some things a little bit before their supposed to. ^^; It's funny though, imagining all the recent stuff out now if I wanted to show them it, some of the more mature stuff would take at least a decade to show, and then some of those things are already a decade or older, like from the 90's... Well, people should respect their elders and their tastes in antiquity! XD
Also, thanks for defending me Nirri. :) I remembered I simply said I had mixed feelings for the Sonic series and haven't really gotten into the new games on youtube a long time ago, like on a track for Green Hill Zone probably (my name was Akuma Uchitoru at the time) and this one guy got really pissed off and very offensive and thought I was being a troll... -_-
But yeah, whatever. :p
what is the page image?
Something hidden between the leaves...
It's well hidden then, cause I can't see it, no matter what the angle I'm looking from. Can you just say what it is?
It's a rear view of a naked woman lying down.
Thanks Peteman. Now I see it.
Why does smoking have to be "past the radar" now? I mean Disney got away with it particularly with their villains but seriously...?
It probably shouldn't be, and if you see an example where it's only smoking, please pull it unless there's a really good reason for it to stay. This trope gets stretched and misused lots.
Getting Crap Past the Radar is one of the most misused tropes I keep bumping into. I think it would reduce misuse and ease cleaning up if we altered the article's description of the trope.
The text does give three criteria for Getting Crap Past the Radar:
The problem is that these three criteria are scattered and hidden across that block of text instead of being presented in a straightforward manner. The addendums at the bottom attempt to alleviate this, but I think it would be better if we actually featured that stuff in the lead itself to make sure even TL;DR-people get the message.
Bring it up in Trope Repair Shop. You can get feedback there.
Thank you... but it appears I can't create new threads right now. Isn't reorganizing an article's text something that could go without TRS?
Hmmm, it's the thread cap.
If it's only text, you can reorganise it, if you're sure that's the only problem with the article.
Because this is badly misused, you can ask for help in Special Efforts. Long term projects and large scale cleanup efforts take place there. Who knows, someone might help!
^ Actually Getting Crap Past the Radar has it's own Special Efforts thread and its own crowner here.
^^ That's the problem with this page, in my opinion. The problem beyond this page is that Radar has its own subpages. That makes it easier for misused examples to pile up, but given the mountainloads of genuine examples some works gather, I think it's for the best to keep them on their own pages.
I have made a solution proposal to the thread ^^. Please check it out.
I agree that GC Pt R is probably the most misused trope here. Anything that alludes to sex is GC Pt R according to some tropers. The point is that it should be stuff the censors would take out if they realised what it was.
I think it would be awesome if we just had something foul (by Moral Guardian standards) modeled after stealth tech as a pic. like profanity written on a ship that has a hull designed to make it look smaller on radar, or WWII style nose-art on a B-2.
Now that you mention it, a Finnish army campaign from a year or two ago did feature pics that might be what you'd be looking for. The campaign was, if I recall correctly, anti-smoking, and the pics were mostly about the fact that smoking causes impotence. As such, they featured military equipment that had floppy wangs on them. Including, IIRC, a stealth fighter. However, there are a few problems with those:
1. They're blatant, which doesn't properly describe the trope
2. They're probably restricted under copyright
3. And the worst one, I can't find any of those pics
South Park does indeed have a radar; take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_controversies for examples.
It's fair to say that while most of the time, South Park exemplifies Refuge in Audacity, sometimes it is — or is at least pretending to be — Getting Crap Past the Radar. And this is largely thanks to its continued success — it wasn't quite as bold in its first few years.
In particular, the owner of City ("Shitty") Wok, and other City ("Shitty") businesses, not to mention his City ("Shitty") Wall are repeatedly used.
And then there's Chocolate Salty Balls.
I mean, it's still a trope, even if it's shameless, right?
Sure, they had an episode with 200 uses of the word "shit" in literal usage, which is obviously not Getting Crap Past the Radar.
The "shitty" is not an example. People swear on South Park all the time.
At the risk of replying to a two year old thread - the point is that the Chinese man is saying the word "City" but because of the accent it sounds like "shitty." I can report that my local over the air sydnicated version of South Park left all references to "Shitty Wok" unbleeped.
That may be due to dubbers not getting the joke there. Shitty Wok is rather obvious and not outside of the show's usual humor. Chocolate Salty Balls was not even remotely hidden from the radar, it even has a song about them, and the double entendre is pretty in-your-face. Chef's last episode even drives it home even more just how obvious they were being with it. Definitely NOT radar.
As for South Park controversies, these are generally about things the show is not even attempting to hide. Trying to show Muhammed is not getting crap past the radar, it is kicking the radar and daring them to do something about it (which they did). Vulgarity and racism? No attempt at hiding any of that. Parodying Scientology and mormonism? Entire episodes revolve around this, very explicitly. Suggesting characters are gay/murderers/rapists/insane/brain dead/what have you, all part of the show, and all very much in the open.
In short, these South Park controversies do not arise because the show is trying to hide them, they arise because the show has no radar to speak of (or pretends not to have one). Remember the disclaimer: this show should not be watched by anyone.
Why was the page image deleted with no image picking thread in it's place?
There was an image pickin' discussion here:
The links for all the newspaper comics outside of Garfield are broken and take me to today's strip.
Deleted the fan fic folder.
Fan fiction usually doesn't have a radar to get crap past, especially fanfiction.net (which is where the fic from the first entry is at and I'm assuming the second). Heck, Lordryu TJ had an explicit (by his standards) Rape as Comedy moment in a "T" rated fic (Total Cartoon Island Reanimated, third and final chapter). Not to mention all the horrible Troll Fics that are rated "K" or "K+" or such.
Nobody's mentioned this so far so I think I will. Weird Al's new children's book has "Master Debator" as one of his possible career choices.
What's with the icon for it on the "Radar" tab for shows? It's weird. I mean, who is that? What's it from? What does it have to do with getting crap past the radar? Sheesh...
It's a satellite dish.
in the halloween special of "Whats New Scooby Doo" Daphs? cousin mentions being 18 and tells Fred "I'm legally old enough to.....vote." and the pause is there. I think this the first major case of "getting crap past the radar" I've seen on a Scooby Doo show
So common...Has anyone noticed how getting crap past the radar is becoming more and more common in KID and TEEN shows? Aren't there any angry parents?
Me, I don't mind, though the high amount of it I've noticed lately IS nearly disturbing and DOES make me wonder a bit.
Mostly becuase there isn't much of a radar for adult entertainment.
And yes there is a difference between slipping in an adult reference and making half the jokes incomprehensable to children.
Is this really true, or are we just more sensitive to it thanks to the internet, where it is easy to come across mentions of radar material?
What's so dirty about the new image?
'Choking the chicken' is a euphemism for wanking.
OH MY GOD!
Shouldn't it be "Getting Crap (In) Under The Radar"? "Past the radar" isn't really English idiom.
Or "Past the Censors"
In the European version of the Playstation 2 game Indigo Propecy there's a graphic sex sence that was cut in the US version.
The European version is rated PEGI 16+ and in Australia its rating is a OFLC MA 15+
Dude, the discussion page isn't for pointing out that things get censored on the way to the US, at least, not the discussion page for this trope. Add those to Bowdlerized
Hes commenting on the EUROPEAN VERSION which got graphic sex in a 16+ game
theclam5678> But it isn't something they (the censors) would have missed.
About the trope picture: Are you sure it's Getting Crap Past the Radar and not something like Accidental Innuendo?
It's Accidental Innuendo for sure. Can we get a better picture, please?
Make a topic on the forums?
Can we get a picture of the Chokey Chicken from Rockos Modern Life or something. Really, the picture isn't NEARLY as bad as some of the examples I've seen.
It's not even Accidental Innuendo, maybe just if you overstretch your imagination. Why amber? If you know that the German word for silver is "Silber", it makes perfect sense.
But then again, Germans have no sense of humour, so maybe I'm just not getting it.
It's not just the pictures. There's a few entries scattered about that are clearly either Accidental Innuendo or some troper trying harder than they really should be to find something "kinky" about what's being said or shown. It's less than it's been in the past, but there's still a few.
The picture is from a German Uncle Scrooge comic (note the lower right corner) and the German word for "silver" is "Silber". So guess what got cut off.
I don't get it—-where's the innuendo in that Scrooge comic cover?
That image of Scrooge showering in gold coins? W Ell, in ceratin circles, "Golden Shower" is supposedly slang for...nasty stuff.
It's slang for being urinated on.
Uh this picture◊? It's obvioulsy a goof on the animators part. I don't think anybody will understand the Scrooge Mc Duck story or the slang part.
The Scrooge example is more about interpreting things in a dirty way than the creators hiding Radar material. The infamous scene with Scrooge and Goldie in the log cabin would be a MUCH better example of Radar material.
In the European version of Mega Man Zero 3 There`s a boss named Hellbat Schlit and it got a PEGI 3+ rating
The US version Hellbat Schlit was bowdlerised in Devilbat Schlit and it got a ESRB rating of E
The European version of Playstation 2 game Project Altered Beast has extreme gore animations and it got a PEGI 12+ rating.
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