Needs Help: Getting Crap Past The Radar

Getting Crap Past the Radar has been one of those difficult tropes we can't decide upon given this long-running thread I started and a current cleanup thread also in Long Term/Perpetual started through Ask The Tropers.

Generally, the whole trope is a mess with people not quite knowing what qualifies (confusing a lot of related tropes with this one), where the radar is if there's one at all, issues of it attracting examples where tropers are generally reading into a subtext which wasn't there, especially with visual examples and just being incredibly WMG all around to be honest especially with a pretty decent amount of creepiness littered throughout. Probably needs a redefining, a huge cleanup is underway (though stalled) but I don't think a cleanup will fix what is wrong.

edited 8th Nov '13 8:19:52 AM by treelo

I frequently see it confused for Parent Service, even if the reference is benign and wouldn't be censored anyway. But that's just straight up misuse, I think we can agree.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.

My opinion remains. Chop the trope and redirect the readers to various innuendo tropes.

Too many inbounds to chop, I still think maybe it could work as an exampleless supertrope and just index what innuendo tropes we have.

I don't mean entirely. Like Fetish Fuel.

Cut it to the nub, linkify some of it and lock it? I guess, I'd like to see this whole trope reduced to very little but it won't happen.

This page has 21000+ inbounds, which means that any kind of drastical change is likely not going to happen. The concept is interesting, but troping it ... is a hassle.

Plus, the cleanup thread is still in infancy.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Inbounds mean nothing when they lead to the last of TV Tropes' greatest embarassments. A quick search finds users on another forum reading a Radar page and pointing out a far fetched example. This kind of thing is happening too much: tropers adding every little thing they can make out to be dirty. It's a whole namespace of Troper Tales Heh Heh, You Said "X".

And since there is no way to know what the writers or censors were thinking with that scene, I see no way to save this "trope."

edited 8th Nov '13 12:46:13 PM by mikurufan

Well, yes, there is a way to know: Word of God (or the censor equivalent).

I'll also note that all the problems pointed out are about the examples.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Isn't this a pre-existing term? I don't think we should be cutting it.

Not asking for a cut but merely making this less of a weird pervy example magnet like Fetish Fuel.

edited 10th Nov '13 11:48:48 AM by treelo

Yes, trying to sneak stuff past censors is too broad for a single trope.

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I might be able to get behind turning it into an index. Anyone have a list of all the tropes we'd be putting on it?

I found Innuendo Tropes. It needs some fixing. First it's not even in alphabetical order. Also, the description seems to be written for the writer, not the reader.

It's an idiomatic usage of "Radar" but not a pre-existing name for the trope.

Subtrope index is good, but I don't have a problem leaving an example list. It should get shorter once we can sort examples to their proper subtropes.

edited 10th Nov '13 6:45:48 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I don't think we should have any examples for this trope, it's too ill-defined and baseless (anyone can claim Word of God with nothing to back it up, doesn't mean it's anything but Fanwank by another name). Though I want to keep all our bad examples in one basket, leaving this open to examples just resets the clock once we've cleaned it up, it doesn't make for a solution that'll stick. I'm looking at Fetish Fuel levels of clipping here, seems the most effective means to prevent example drift as it attracts very similar levels of pervy weirdness and severely off examples.

edited 11th Nov '13 2:10:11 AM by treelo

I am against any amount of cleanup because, as long as this trope exists under this title, troopers will continue to misuse the trope greatly because the purpose has become so twisted around.

Cleanup as in example sorting and weeding and maybe salting the earth.

I don't see why it makes sense to make it an index for innuendo tropes; if anything, Getting Crap Past the Radar is a subtrope of "innuendo", not the other way around. You can have plenty of innuendo without Getting Crap Past the Radar, for example innuendo in a medium where there's no radar, such as webcomics, or innuendo in a medium where there is a radar, but whatever's being implied is perfectly appropriate for the timeslot.

Why not just limit it to confirmed Word of God examples?

edited 11th Nov '13 2:39:00 PM by MonaNaito

If so, the examples should cite a source.

I'd be in favor of that. There are plenty of interviews out there where creators say things like "I can't believe they let us keep that in", etc.

The problem remains: tropers will continue to use this trope incorrectly as long as the name remains the same. Unfortunate Implications requires a source on its page, but on example lists a source is almost never provided.

I think we already have a clean-up thread for this, IMO it would be better to go there and help the clean-up process than to start a second discussion on what to do with it. I also stand-by that it's a massive section of the wiki and sweeping the problem under the rug by just getting rid of examples is absurd.

And limiting to Word of God only would kill to many valid examples.

edited 11th Nov '13 6:04:49 PM by shoboni

I oppose cutting. I oppose renaming. I oppose making it an index. And I oppose making it exampleless.

Not sure how to solve the problem, but this is pretty clearly a trope, this is it's preexisting name, it is not simply a case of different innuendos but is a specific trope about evading moral guardians (usually but not necessarily by using innuendo). There are clearly examples of this, so I can't support cutting them.

edited 13th Nov '13 6:40:15 AM by Sackett

But the trope has been misused for "anythng I think is dirty" so much that cleaning it up could be more work than cutting the page.