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I noticed that our Misplayed notifier is gone

Is it got removed, or it's a bug?

Sandbox usage question

Can the Sandbox namespace be used for making pages of "fake" TV shows; i.e., they aren't actual shows, are merely just ideas, and aren't in the works to become real shows?

I have a concept I'd love to throw out there, and I'm wondering if I can make it in the Sandbox.

Edit war + Possible ban evasion

Ishan added the following entry to Friends Main Characters:

• Deadpan Snarker: All six are adept at being this, but Chandler lives and breathes the trope.

I deleted it because 1) It is a Zero-Context Example and 2) It has been established in a previous discussion that the trope does not apply to the characters in question. I made sure to leave a link to the Discussion page in my edit reason.

Ishan has restored the example with minimal alterations.

This behaviour is identical to yoyospinner17's, who kept adding said trope to the page and attempted to ban evade at least twice afterwards.

Problem troper

FunDwellerMc09 is a somewhat new Troper whose edits on the wiki have several issues.

I send them a notifier on the 19th about grammar problems, but since then, they've continued to make errors, such as this. Occasionally they'll serial-tweak to fix issues, but they have an ongoing problem with run-on sentences, indentation, and zero-context examples. This is most visible on the pages for Princess Trainer, for which they've made every edit.

They also seem to have minor misuse problems, such as using Word of God to vaguely state "some of the information on the main page was confirmed by the creator," and listing Values Dissonance to state that Drake Bell hasn't been cancelled by his Mexican fanbase.

Reporting Tropers/starborn for edits of dubious quality

I'm not particularly familiar with reporting individual tropers (even after reading up on some of the policies for such a thing) but I'm wondering if what the troper by the name of starborn has been doing with their edit history would count as an offense worthy of action by mods.

To give context, this user has only edited character pages for gacha games, particularly that of Azur Lane. These edits are often poor in grammar and heavily YMMV in nature.

To give some examples:

and edit that adjusted AmazonianBeauty and added BoobsOfSteel to Zenobia

An edit proclaiming that a character from Azur Lane has the most attractive figure in the series

And another edit fixated on the busts of the characters in Azur Lane

I'm not familiar enough with the process of reporting tropers, which is why I felt it necessary to ask for the mods' assistance in this matter.

My point is: is this generally the type of behavior that should be reported? And if so, should action be taken against this user?

Trope scope changes - Role Swap AU

Hi,

Hoping someone can point me in the right direction on this one.

There was a brief discussion on Trope Launch Pad about a new trope proposal for the "alternate universe with the same main characters, but reshuffled roles" thing (e.g. the comics where Peter Parker becomes the Hulk rather than Spider-Man).

This didn't get far because Role Swap AU covers the same ground - but Role Swap AU is specifically positioned as a fanfic trope, so doesn't have any of those comic/series/whatever canon examples (and wasn't linked to the alternate universe tropes page etc.).

So - is it appropriate to expand the scope of the trope to cover all the official examples as well as the fanfic? Is that something that tropers can simply do via edit? Or is it a repair shop query?

Thanks!

Welcome to Demon School: Basebreaking and Arc Fatigue Anime

In Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun the current arc has lasted only 20-something chapters and seems about 2/3rds way through. But already someone has put up an Arc Fatigue YMMV example, and Base-Breaking Character targeting the Fledgling First Years Iruma's class has to protect and one in particular. I don't look at the fandom on any media boards, so I am ignorant if they are that divisive as required by the definition, but isn't there like a waiting period to add Base-Breaking Character?

Here are the examples posted:

• Arc Fatigue: The Heartbreaker Arc to many feels like it should have been a mini arc that has lasted for a good while. While it has fun moments throughout, it also has gone on for over half a year and has largely just been the Misfits getting slowly whittled down by the teachers. It doesn't help that much focus time has been given on the brand new first years, whom many don't particularly care about as much as the main Misfit class.

• Base-Breaking Character: The Misfits' underclassmen in general are this to an extent, but Kerori's younger sister Chima in particular fits. Some find her to be a cute character while others find her obssession with Iruma to be obnoxious. And there is concerns about how much focus time she and the other underclassmen will receive once the Heartbreaker Arc ends; some would like to see their experiences with their first year at Babyls, while others would rather avoid a retread of what they've already seen and focus on the Misfits in their second year.

Personally, I think the length is fine right now. With as many students, 39 total, plus a dozen teachers, the length to show each of them even for a short part makes the length justifiable, and some don't even have that long in appearances. And the purpose of the arc is to show the teacher dominating and devastating the Misfits to break them of their dangerous pride. Each student needs to show some growth before the defeat.

In which part of the Nightmare Fuel for PSAs page does this PSA belong?

For those curious (and in case of any triggers), the PSA is from Sandy Hook Promise. In it, some kids are talking about the stuff they got for back to school, like a backpack, binders, headphones. As the video progresses, it becomes clear that a school shooting is occurring. the kids start using the stuff they got for other purposes, like a girl using her sock to use as a tourniquet because another student has been shot in the leg, or a boy using his new skateboard to break open a window and escape. As the PSA ends, a girl hiding in a bathroom stall is sending a text to her mom saying that she loves her, and talking about how she got a new phone to keep in touch with her mom. Then footsteps are here coming into the bathroom, and the PSA ends.

Where in the page does this go under? The "Safety" subpage? The "Bullying" folder? I feel a bit lost.

Miracle Girls Description Issues

1 problem and 1 question concerning the description for Miracle Girls.

• it's plagiarized from wikipedia by Annette 12 who added it back in 2017. The wikipedia article dates back to at least 2015, if not earlier.
• Back in 2019 Tropers/Pichu-kun changed all of the names in the description to the English (or international) versions, with a note that the original names are different. But since this is a Japanese product shouldn't it be the opposite, with the article defaulting to the original Japanese names?

ETA: saw the thread that the second part is to keep up with a sitewide "English Translation First" policy. I don't necessarily agree with that policy, but if it's sitewide then I get it. Can ignore my second point

How do I add Tearjerker or Heartwarming tabs to a films tropes? Film

I see movies have a page for Laconic, Awesome, Funny, ect. Others have Tearjerker and Heartwarming. How would I add these?

Thank you.

Socks

FairintheFuture has several Oz and Game of thrones edits, while Hellofish has several Oz edits and a few Sopranos edits. Is this just a coincidence? Or is Theon Greyjoy back?

TRS crowner

There is an active crowner for Spiritual Successor at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.

An Ordeal In Osondu Web Original

An Ordeal In Osondu looks like a misplaced Characters/ page and gives the too-long warning with its first edit. What is this? Should it be cut?

Theon Greyjoy Sockpuppet #11?

There's a new Troper called Blackwood who I think is Theon Greyjoy ban evading for the eleventh time. They're editing pages for Coronation Street and Prison Break, and their edits have some grammar issues (misspelling eighties as eigthies, for example).

Edit War

On the Amphibia main characters page, SpongeGuy11 added Five-Man Band, which got deleted for misuse, and then SpongeGuy11 re-added it back.

The One With Spongebob

Some troper has added "The One With [element in said episode]" to each episode description of Spongebob Squarepants for the first three seasons. They range from something integral to the episode (i.e. Club Spongebob being "The one with the Magic Conch Shell", which is an important part of the episode) to something largely irrelevant (i.e My Pretty Seahorse being "The one with the coin slot", which only shows up as a seconds-long gag that has no bearing on the plot and is never mentioned again). Since The One With is now Just For Fun (and not linked to on any of these recap pages), are these additions OK to keep, or should they be removed for lack of relevance?

No Title

So remember how I brought up how someone added Meta to Awesome.Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness and then someone added basically the same ones again and it was decided to leave a commented out note. Well someone, just added basically the same one as the Patrick Stewart entry again.

• Charles Xavier! Yes true believer. Sir Patrick Stewart revives his roles as the one and only Professor Charles Xavier! And if you listen, the first time he roles into view the X-Men theme briefly!

Again this is just Meta stuff and is ignoring the note and edit history. Plus it reeks of gushing. I don't know what to do here.

Weird example in YMMV.TheIronGiant Western Animation

rva98014 changed a Heartwarming in Hindsight example on YMMV.The Iron Giant (about the Giant getting to meet Superman in MultiVersus) into a long rant about MultiVersus supposedly going against the Giant's character with this as the edit reason:

"I admit, I teared up when I saw the trailer and the awesome, cool moment when the Iron Giant flies in and gets to meet his idol. That part is very nicely done, but unfortunately the way the press releases have been handling the poor explanation of why the Giant would be OK with fighting in the first place have shown they don't really care about the Giant and his story, beyond being a recognizable piece of Warner Bros intellectual property with high nostalgia value."

I sent them a PM about complaining and reverted the example on the basis that YMMV can't be Played With, but then they further changed the example to say "Unfortunately, subsequent press releases have made it unclear if the Giant featured in the game is actually the same Giant from the movie", which is likely baseless speculation (MultiVersus hasn't stated anything even remotely implying this is a different character from the one in the movie; in fact, the giant's bio on the official website confirms it to be the same one from the movie) and makes me wonder if the Troper has some kind of Single-Issue Wonk specifically regarding the Giant in MultiVersus.

Would it be okay if I deleted the "Unfortunately, subsequent press releases have made it unclear if the Giant featured in the game is actually the same Giant from the movie" part? I want to get approval as to avoid a possible Edit War.

Questionable entries to NotWorthKilling .

Thought I would bring this here instead of just going in and deleting examples. Want to make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree. The Not Worth Killing page has many entries that are questionable at best, and others that seem to be roughly shoehorned in to make them fit.

Some examples: Under the Real Life section, this is given as the reason Ali signaled the ref to end his fight against Jerry Quarry. Anyone who has seen or knows about the fight knows that is not the case. Quarry put up a valiant effort but by the seventh round was completely out of gas and could barely defend himself. Ali was deriving no satisfaction whatsoever out of pummeling him, because Everyone Has Standards, and even the commentators were openly wondering why the ref hadn't stopped the fight. After the fight Ali personally went to Quarry's corner to make certain he was okay and speak kind words of encouragement to him. Not Worth Killing simply doesn't apply.

Also under Real Life, the BBFC returning the film New York Ripper to Italy has nothing to do with killing anyone (it's a film, not a person). Again, you could probably say the BBFC was just displaying Everyone Has Standards.

Under the Live-Action TV section, take the Daredevil example of Fisk telling Wesley not to kill Karen. It isn't that Fisk thinks she's not worth killing, it's just that everything she knows is already in the papers so done is done, and Fisk does show her respect. If killing her would have kept it out of the papers, she'd be dead because she would have been worth killing.

Under Film - Live Action, the Breaking Dawn example feels incredibly shoehorned in, Cruel Mercy is what really applies.

The Predator example is another. It's not that Dutch thinks the Predator is not worth killing, far from it. He can already see it's mortally wounded, so he drops the rock and asks it a question ("what the hell are you?"). Big mistake on his part, because it gives the predator the opportunity to activate the self-destruct feature in his armor.

Okay, that's all. If I'm wrong, please let me know.