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Potential shipping agenda on edit Anime

Editor Luisdalas made an edit to an existing entry of Broken Base for YMMV.The Last Naruto The Movie, in their edit they claim that the most of the fandom believed that the romance of the movie was "an absurd retcon" which is not true as it is one of the most positively rated films of the franchise, and removed the part that explained that the rival pairing's scenes of the series could also be interpreted non-romantically.

I've sent them a PM about the changes but this IMHO looks like a clear case of a shipping agenda. Can it be reverted?

Edited by matruz

Edit war and consent for Fridge entry correction Film

The very first entry created for Fridge.Saw X was added by TT Fan, and it initially looked like this:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the traps in Saw II. As explained in that film:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?
  Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

I then changed the "As explained" to The Stinger because the dialogue mentioned Hoffman (who didn't appear in Saw II at all, so I assumed it must have been from this film's Stinger scene):

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the traps in Saw II. As explained in The Stinger:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?

Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

Then TTFan changed it back to how they left it before (albeit with some minor changes), starting an Edit War:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the events in the Nerve Gas House. As explained in that film:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?

Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

Thing is, I'd like to get some permission to change the entry again and avoid to continue the Edit War, since I realized that the dialogue was actually from a scene in Saw V. My change would look like this:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the events in the Nerve Gas House. As explained in the house's pre-game flashback from Saw V:
  Hoffman: You're assuming this is going to play out the way you want it to.

Kramer: I assume nothing. I anticipate the possibilities and... I let the game play out. Hoffman: Then why do you need Amanda in the game? Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed. She won't make decisions for anyone. She will just... offer choices.

Just to note, I've also sent a PM to TTFan so they can give their own word about this, since considering the circumstances, I doubt how mods will deal with this (i.e., if they'll suspend TTFan or not).

Edited by Inky100

Video Secondary Tropes

Whenever I've tried adding secondary tropes to some of my videos recently, it tends to not let me do so. For example, if I try to search up Sword Beam as a secondary trope, I get nothing to select/add and when I try to search Half the Man He Used to Be, I only get media subsections (i.e. TV, anime, etc.), but not the main page itself. Has this been an issue for anyone else, or is there a website rule about this that I'm not aware of?

AAE applies to fanworks?

The YMMV page for Webcomic.Bleach Happy To Serve You has this.

• Audience-Alienating Ending: The All Just a Dream Gainax Ending is rather disliked overall, due to not properly concluding any of the existing plotlines like the Love Dodecahedron, and beforehand everything seeming to go out of it's way to try and make the plot align with canon even when it has previously gone Off the Rails, like the Sternritter girls showing up and kidnapping Harribel, or Yamamoto dragging Senna off due to her being a Canon Foreigner.

This is the first time I've seen AAE applied to fanworks, so I have questions if it can/should apply to them. Audience-Alienating Premise disallows fanwork because the objective criteria for AAP don't apply, and while AAE had its objective rule relaxed I wonder it (should) also apply to fanworks given most are obscure/niche enough it may be difficult to judge overall fan reaction to the ending (it it hits the criteria for AAE as opposed just some dislike).

Also, it was originally added under the old name Ending Aversion, so whom added it might not be aware of its rules/it's more than just complaints about the ending.

Making a TV Tropes page

How do make a TV Tropes page?

Sensei Shrines

Would the Sensei Shrine cutscenes count as Establishing Character Moment or something else?

UU misuse added back/quote issue.

This misuse of Unintentionally Unsympathetic was added back.

• History of Power Rangers: While also providing the page quote, Linkara also has an inverse view of mutantkind and Time Force compared with some of the fandom he was given. He thought that despite Ransik's sympathetic origin, his consistant evil and ingratitude justifies everyone's fears about him. And conversely, there isn't enough provided material in the show to fully have sympathetic mutants, as only 1 mutant ever had more sympathetic reasons for being in the cryo-prison, and there were even 2 examples of mutants who were given more privileges, and they betrayed society's trust.

This is critiquing the fandom treatment of the character (violating UU being No Real Life, better fitting Misaimed Fandom), not how the narrative treats them (Ransik's called out that his sympathetic past didn't excuse his evildoing, which he himself ultimately realized and allowed himself to be arrested to answer to his wrongs, so he's not unintentional). This entry also argues against UU applying to mutantkind saying this isn't the widespread opinion by fans.

When I first removed this, I asked about changing the page quote ("There's a difference between having a sympathetic backstory and actually being sympathetic.") as it's misuse, but they said to keep as it still conveyed the concept. Not it appears it's continuing to attract misuse, so what to do?

Muppets Tonight Recap Live Action TV

Can we recreate Muppets Tonight Recap page?

Videos

Did anyone check the videos recently, I’m asking for a friend.

Black Rock Shooter character page

I was wondering if we could re-sort the character pages for Black Rock Shooter into character groups instead of the mediums (2010s anime, The Game, Innocent Soul and Dawn Fall) they appeared in, similar to Neptunia when its character sub-pages were split into the games they've appeared in, leading to several character tropes being repeated. That way it would avoid using the same tropes for the title character over and over again.

Small question

Just to confirm, a work which is fully part of a sub-franchise of a larger franchise doesn't need to be listed on the index in the larger franchise, right? For example, if Franchise.Superman already indexes Superman II, I wouldn't need to list Superman II on The DCU if I were rewriting it's work list (which I am), with Franchise.Superman already being listed there, for example?

Edited by JDMA12

What namespace would a conlang go under?

I'm thinking about starting a work page for the Conlang Unker Non-Linear Writing System, or UNLWS for short. However, I'm not sure what namespace it would fall under.

Edited by Someone404

Drinking Game

Could Drinking Game apply if the general idea is present, but with a different substance than alcohol? I'm making a page for Highcraft, and a significant portion of the series is functionally a drinking game but with weed - players take bong rips when they complete a challenge in the Minecraft challenge map being played or if they die and need to teleport back.

The page isn't helping me at the moment, I'm just more confused now.

Trope about "Holographic Universe".

I simply wanted to ask if someone could make a trope describing a holographic universe. I simply don't have the knowledge to post a complete description equipped with trope redirects and specific work examples. Maybe it's the wrong place to ask this. If it is, please direct me to the right page.

Edited by luigirovatti

Questions about quote-based entries on Moments pages

Didn't know if this is the right place to ask this. Anyway, I'm wondering how specific the criteria is for ZCEs on Moments pages; in this case I'm going to go with Funny Moments. I'm aware that most examples that are just quotes would be considered zero-context. However, if a quote is funny on its own, would it still have to be expanded to make it clear? For example, a quote that may be funny on its own would go like:

For me, the proper choice would be to expand it, such as adding "[character] says" before the quote, writing the entry as "[character] claiming that pool aliens stole their Oreos", or adding the character's name in front of the quote to convey that they're saying it. Would the entry still be acceptable as a quote if it was funny out of context, though? I'm guessing no, but feel free to give me an answer.

I also have another question related to this. There are some "quotes" entries that are narration. Take for instance this example from the Funny page for the first Harry Potter book:

The thing with this entry is that it's narration. No one in particular is saying it, and it describes what's happening. Would it be acceptable on its own, or does it need to have context added in any way?

Just curious

What happened to Landale. I PM'd them hours ago yet I got no response. No joke, I'm genuinely concerned for them considering their last edit was 7 days ago. And yes I know that there's a thread for absent people, but I've decided to post here for the time being.

Edited by ToonAbby

Problematic Broken Base article

I believe there are severe problems with the Broken Base page for Family Guy.

• The page contains Seasonal Rot examples, which is an entirely different trope.
• Examples about characters, which, again, is a different trope.
• Checking the article's edit history, we can verify that the page was created by a ban evader, who has also written the majority of the examples.

I intend to restore the Broken Base and BBC eexamples that were recently removed from the YMMV page, then send the Broken Base page to the cutlist. Would that be an appropriate course of action?

Videos

For Conkers bad fur day videos, think we can add ones from the reloaded version?

What to do with WebAnimation/HazbinHotel?

As the actual show will be released on Amazon Prime and will eventually have its own page titled and in the namespace WesternAnimation.Hazbin Hotel 2024.

How much of the WebAnimation.Hazbin Hotel (and its subpages) need to be rewritten once the actual show comes out and/or we get enough promo material for it?

Because as it stands, WebAnimation.Hazbin Hotel is basically just a non-canon, test run pilot.

So should the very description be rewritten?