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openNo Title
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManipulativeEditing
So, I was looking at films, and I saw examples like this:
"Lampshaded in Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed when Fred calls Heather Jasper-Howe out on doing this... and she then proceeds to do it to the footage of him calling her out on it."
with examples like this:
"One infamous example is from Fahrenheit 9/11 where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a nephew who's currently serving in Iraq."
And I wonder: should tropes pertaining to real life examples really be here?
I mean, the trope page itself has a real life examples folder
openQuestion about quotes in paragraphs
Hello. I have a general question for the tropers: are all quotes in entry paragraphs like Famous Last Words usually italicized, or is it unneeded?
openGame with 2 Character Sheets Videogame
Both Characters.Persona 5 Scramble The Phantom Strikers and Characters.Persona 5 Strikers exist even though they refer to the same game. Some background for anyone not familiar: Persona 5 Strikers was revealed in Japan under the longer title and a trope page was created for it. However, the Western release uses the shorter title. All of the other subpages for the game have been made into redirects to the Western title, but for some reason they missed the characters page. I would make it a simple redirect, but the Scramble page has tropes that the Strikers page does not.
Edit: I guess what I'm asking is what I should do.
Edited by BobtheBoldoreopenPossible Ban Evader?
Sizzle Flicks is a new troper that is behaving very similarly to Adembergz, who was banned for making bad stub pages. They started up a few days after the latter's only post in the EB thread, and is also editing some of the same pages (like Battle for Luxorious Hotel and those Object Shows pages that previous ban evaders have edited before).
Regardless of that, they made a characters page that just says "Feel free to do it" and then leaving it alone.
EDIT: Looking through the Object Shows index and pages, there is a lot of ZC Es and just generally bad grammar on those pages. Like...a LOT. Not sure how much they can be fixed, since they only seem to be edited by a few people.
Edited by Arctimonopennumber of tropes a page needs?
Hey dudettes/dudes, how many tropes does a page need to not be deleted? Thanks!
openThe Last of These is Not Like the Others
How does The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others work? Can it apply to real characters, or is it an object-exclusive trope?
open Unsure if this work is tropable.
So, a work I've been sucked into hard and think would make a great tropes page. There's one thing that's giving me pause.
It's hosted on a site called adultfanfiction.
Now, it's not a pornographic story per se, there are sex scenes and they are described in detail, but no more so than some other mature-themed literature. And given the story's length (147 chapters currently, not sure if that makes it a Long Runner, Door Stopper, or both) they make up a very small percentage of the overall story, with most of them occurring earlier in the work.
I know we tend not to trope actual porn, but some Porn with Plot works are troped on the site. My main concern is if posting a link to the story itself in the trope page would be against the rules, invite unwanted traffic to TvTropes, etc.
I'm also not sure what to categorize it. It's not a fanfiction, as it's not based on any other work or franchise, it's a completely original tale with the author's own original characters, set in a version of our real world (a throwaway line in a recent chapter states the Play Station 5 is out, but no hint of the COVID-19 Pandemic). But I'm also not sure a work hosted on a fanfiction site, even one that allows original works (especially one with "adult" in the name) qualifies for entry in Literature.
The story is called "She Is The One," and centers around Jack Harrison, the protagonist and narrator, the luckiest unlucky smartest idiot ever. We catch up with him the first day of his sophmore year of high school, when he meets newly-arrived literal Girl Next Door Kayla Hannigan. It isn't quite Love at First Sight, but there is a rapid connection between them, and the first several chapters are devoted to them becoming the story's Official Couple. The core of the story is their relationship, especially how love doesn't conquer all. . . Jack and Kayla really do truly love each other, but both have to work hard to keep their relationship going. Especially in the face of high school drama, exceptionally dramatic even by high school standards, including three different incestuous relationships, a gun in a locker, a bona fide evil scheme, one of the most brutal schoolyard brawls ever, and an intramural prostitution ring, among other things. Eventually, the action moves to college as Jack and Kayla attend Iowa State University, where things are a bit less dramatic (up until The Pipe Bomb Incident, at least). Along the way, we meet a cast of colorful characters who drift in and out of Jack's life, including Rhona, the acerbic GameStop employee with constantly changing hair colors, Joe and Brad, Jack's best friends, Craig, his starting high school nemesis and initial rival for Kayla's affections, Jessica the Alpha Bitch, Jack's exuberant running enthusiast cousin Tara, and Jack's twin siblings Alan and Amanda. The cast expands greatly in college as Jack makes friends in and out of ISU's theater department.
Has a Shared Universe with another author's stories, posted on the same site, "Being More Social" and it's companion tale "Only If You Want." They're both shorter and with more sex than "She Is The One," and the crossover is minimal: only one character, I think, appears in both stories (for less than a chapter in "She Is The One," though he's referenced a few more times); references mainly exist as friendly meta jokes and jabs from one fic to the other.
Anyway. . . is this tropable?
Edited by ErikModiopenEditing tropes
How would one go about trying to edit a trope? It's been pointed out to me recently that both Big Bad Ensemble and Big Bad Wannabe have frequent misuse, yet at the same time they've been so misused their incorrect terms have essentially become their official terms. Just want to see if I can update accordingly. I'm assuming there's a forum thread for it, I remember seeing one but I can't find it.
Also, can anyone edit the "Playing with Tropes" subtabs for each?
openTheyChangedItNowItSucks Web Original
Why was the They Changed It, Now It Sucks! Youtube page cut?
openWorks in an index without a page
What should be done when a work may belong in an index but there is no page for it yet? Of course, the ideal thing would be to create the page, add tropes and index it, but before that... add it to the index as a red link, add it as plain and unlinked text, or leave it out until it is created?
openMovie suggestion Film
Has anyone consider adding the tropes for The Owners, starring Maisie Williams?
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenMoving a page Western Animation
I made a mistake with the page WesternAnimation.Likeaballs when it should be WesternAnimation.The Likeaballs - any way to move it to the correct title and preserve page history?
Edited by Merseyuser1openUser uncommenting out ZCEs, other stuff
Walkerstar has been editing SweetDreamsFuel.Western Animation to move all preschool cartoons on the list under one bullet. Not only does this seem like a violation of Example Indentation in Trope Lists, some of the examples that have been moved under this bullet were ZCEs that have since been uncommented out during the move. Should something be done?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenYMMV thread
Should there be a thread for determining which tropes should have the YMMV banner?
openWouldHurtAChild and WouldntHurtAChild question
I've been wondering about the distinction between hurting and killing and which trope would apply. If there's a character who's absolutely fine with hitting children, but will refuse to actually kill them, would that mean they'd fall under both tropes, or only one of them?
openIcyslicey666 and Potty Emergency
Icyslicey666's only edits consist of going onto this page and changing every instance of the word "pee" with something else (like urinate or wee-wee).
Their two edit reasons attached to said edits were Any words or word combinations that could cause sin to some of the world including me. and Any unneeded shows that can come with secret bad messages, and words that could come as a bad excuse to life for other countries.
Soooo...maybe a troll? I don't know, but the page will need to be cleaned up after them.
openApple and Onion Laconic? Western Animation
Are Laconics approved by other tropers in an overall... consensus sort of thing? I don't feel like Apple & Onion has a good Laconic considering it compares it to something else that I believe has a dissimilar tone in my opinion? It's probably YMMV but I feel like it should rely less on another show in the Laconic.
openQuestionable WMGs
Recently, I have come across a few WMG pages/entries that may go against the rules.
- The Mysterious Mr. Enter. Most of the entries are about his reviews and what he'll review next, which is fine. However, there are a couple that are based on him as a person. The first WMG in particular is downright absurd, considering it's talking about a real life personnote by contrast, the "Mr. Enter will turn into an enter keyboard button" entry seems to be referring to his avatar, not him as a person.
- Perfect Hair Forever only has one entry, and it's about the show being brought back for another season (or at least more episodes). While WMG guesses are supposed to be about what happens in the work itself, this one skirts the line a bit, although the reason given seems to lean more into the "not allowed" territory; it basically says the show may get more episodes just to fill more Adult Swim timeslots. Speaking of which...
- Adult Swim is the one that really stuck out. Entries about Adult Swim execs take the piss out of anime, blaming Adult Swim for both Cartoon Network's downfall and a bomb scare, and guessing Adult Swim's schedule in the years to come (which may go against WMG rules, but is comparatively tame compared to some of the other entries).
Crazy Sunshine had its trope list deleted by Crazy Jkun with "creators request" as the edit reason (which violates The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours I believe). The trope page now has a note saying that as of 2020, all of the tropes are all non-canon (which is something I don't get). The website the webcomic was hosted at is under construction and I haven't able to find it elsewhere (in its entirety; there are bunch of guest comics that were on other webcomic series though) so not sure what to do as it appears the creator took down the webcomic.
Edited by MacronNotes