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There is a Real Life folder in Manipulative Editing, so those examples aren't breaking any rules on that page.
SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMYThe examples mentioned here aren't even real life ones though, hence my confusion about what the problem is.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallThey're not real life though. Why would it be in the real life section?
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallOk, I'll rephrase my question then:
In the Movies entry folder for Manipulative Editing, I have found examples pertaining to documentary films. The thing is, these entries are about how the films themselves were Manipulative[ly] Edit[ed], not examples of the trope shown in the movie themsevles
Move to Real Life instead?
Farenheit 9/11 isn't the Ray Bradbury story (Farenheit 451). It's a Michael Moore documentary about the politicising of 9/11. That's the "Real Life" part & I think Day Break's asking about whether that example counts as Real Life, ROCEJ, or needs to be scrapped.
Since it's part of a documentary work, I think it belongs on the page as an example (is there footage/proof of the unedited interview?). Do documentaries count as Real Life, or is there a separate category for them? Counting them as fiction isn't right, but given how even the best documentaries can play loose with facts doesn't seem Real Life-ish, either.
(The consensus here might also be considered for shows like The Daily Show, which, while using Manipulative Editing for comedy, often are more Real Life than actual news shows.)
Edit: yikes, you guys are fast typers. By the time I got my response typed, War & Day had added several of their own responses each. 🥴
Edited by FranksGirlOh, yeah, that was the issue. I kept misreading the work's title. And since I've never read Fahrenheit 451, nothing else in the example seemed off to me.
I think we trope documentaries as fiction because they can be edited and written and fictionalized to a degree. But this one...I'm not sure about it.
Edited by WarJay77 Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall(OT: War, you might want to read the Bradbury tale. It shows its age, but it's still a damn good story & cautionary tale).
Documentaries fall into that weird gray area: the editing/writing may be fictionalized, but the footage they use is still nominally Real Life. Maybe it's time to make them their own separate category & do an end-run around that question.
(OT: Yeah, I've been meaning to, just haven't gotten around to it.)
Yeah, especially since this one is about the documentary's editing itself...
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallYou could say that about all entries from documentaries, no matter what trope it is. Documentaries often reveal just as much about the filmmaker than the actual topic they're documenting. Given how inflammatory some docs are, making them their own separate category could help stop potential edit wars.
I realize I'm likely preaching to the choir here.
It might be nice to split the in-universe examples with the examples of works that are themselves edited in a manipulative way.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManipulativeEditing
So, I was looking at films, and I saw examples like this:
"Lampshaded in Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed when Fred calls Heather Jasper-Howe out on doing this... and she then proceeds to do it to the footage of him calling her out on it."
with examples like this:
"One infamous example is from Fahrenheit 9/11 where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a nephew who's currently serving in Iraq."
And I wonder: should tropes pertaining to real life examples really be here?
I mean, the trope page itself has a real life examples folder