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openCan you help me write an example and make it more clever? Film
This relates to [1] as I’m writing what happens in the entire canyon scene in [2]. I’m wondering if it’s good to you, but I also need it to end with a very specific moment. Here’s what I have:
When Buck, Crash, and Eddie ride a pteranodon to recover Sid at lava falls. The possums attract a pack of ten hostile pterosaurs that intercept the rescue and force Buck to detour into a canyon. The canyon chase starts off with a cool shot parodying a televised car race, before Buck helps the possums obtain nearby berries as ammo against their scaly threat. After blasting their first enemy down, the scene focuses on Crash and Eddie trying to take down more with their berries, passing some brachiosaurus and defeating more pterosaurs in the process. With half of the pack left chasing, the possums use the last of their berries to take down another pterosaur but with difficulty as he dodges every shot.
The canyon scene ends with one of the pterosaurs becoming a balloon. And I’m not sure how I can write it with a humorous flair.
resolved Mask of Zorro trope error, delete or comment out Film
So I came across this entry on The Mask of Zorro:
"* Artistic License – Religion: Elena says the broke the Fourth Commandment to honor her father and mother. The Fourth Commandment is to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."
But given that Elena is (probably) Catholic she's probably using the Augustinian division of the 10 Commandments which does put "Honor thy father and thy mother" as the 4th. Whereas Protestants use the Philonic division which makes this the 5th.
Now I would just delete this but I was wondering if it would be better commenting it out with an explanation or putting something else in just to prevent someone putting it back by mistake?
openshould this laconic entry be changed? Film
The laconic entry for The Social Network currently reads as follows:
- Bio-drama film detailing the founding and developing of Facebook, and the hardships and conflicts that it entailed. Alternatively: The movie that proves that Mark Zuckerberg is absolutely a lizardman.
That second part feels in very poor taste to me, since the whole "lizard people" thing is veeeerrrry prevalent in alt-right circles as an antisemitic talking point. To be clear, I don't think whoever added that bit is necessary antisemitic; the origins of the "lizard people" conspiracy theory isn't super well-known, and I often see it passed around as a joke or meme by people who think it's a dumb but harmless idea held by a few crackpots, not realizing the very, very bad roots to the whole thing. But referring to a real Jewish person as a lizardman just feels like a bad look.
Good to axe that bit?
openVerifiable source for character name? Film
The Characters/SonysSpiderManUniverse page gives the name "Corinne Wan" for the Malaysian EMT that the Riot symbiote takes over in Venom, but to my knowledge her name is unrevealed in the film itself (she has a name-tag but I personally can't make it out) and Michelle Lee is only credited as "Malaysia EMT/Riot Host".
I checked the edit history for the page and the editor who added it cites the SSU wiki as their source, which doesn't provide any sources for that being her name... so is there an official reliable source for the EMT's name being Corinne Wan?
EDIT: Her nametag does say Corinne Wan, but it's hard to make out since her full name is only briefly visible at the beginning of the movie.
Edited by Arawn999openWeird character folder quote change Film
On 26th Oct, sapphyblue change the folder quote in Mark Hoffman's character folder on Characters.Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices from a quote said by Hoffman himself:
To one said by another character to him (incidentally, the one Hoffman told the aforementioned line to):
I find this change rather weird because I've never seen any character folder or character-specific page use quotes said by other characters to describe the one whom the folder/page addresses (even if they give an idea of who the character is). I'm not really sure how I should deal with this, though. Is it best if I send sapphyblue a notifier? Should I bring this issue on a forum thread? Or should I do something else? Perhaps it's better to leave it as it is?
Edited by Inky100openPossible Edit War Film
A few days ago, the Values Dissonance entry on YMMV.The Black Stork was brought up in the Wall of Text cleanup thread. I agreed that it should be cut down, and ~Yindee later did so. A little while later, the cut text was added back, albeit broken up into bullet points now, by ~Fireblood who had originally added the entry.
Yindee PMed me for my opinion on whether I thought it counted as an edit war, and I think that it does since the entry is still very long even with bullet points, and I don't think that all of that information is truly necessary to illustrate the values dissonance. Thoughts?
Edited by ZarinaopenA Troper adding huge WallOfText entries on Stupid Evil Film
nebuladragon has been adding constant Wall of Text entries on the Stupid Evil pages regarding the animated villains including an uneccesary summary of their actions as well as uneeded bullet points that feels more like natter than legitimate criticism. I mean I can see the point of the examples but surely they can be severely trimmed down just to focus on the flaws of their plans?
Edited by Loekman3openIs this a trope? Film
So, I was just discussing an apparent trope with some friends and after listing a few instances of it occurring, we went to check for a listing on TV Tropes.
However, we weren't able to find it. This may be a search failure, or perhaps the example is a variant of a larger trope, or perhaps doesn't meet the qualifications for a trope.
So, I figured we'd just ask. First, let me give three examples of this trope:
1.) In the film Battleship (2012), modern sailors commandeer the decommissioned World War II battleship USS Missouri with the aid of retired Navy veterans serving as tour guides.
2.) In the tv show Battlestar Galactica (2004), the Battlestar Galactica, a hybrid battleship/aircraft carrier in space that fought in the earlier war, is in the final stages of being decommissioned and converted to a museum when the inciting attack occurs, and a largely ceremonial force scrambles to reactivate a partially mothballed ship. The ship had been due to become a museum commemorating the first Cylon War and an educational center, with much of its outer armor and a number of weapons having been stripped. Due to its age and operating conditions, the ship is unofficially known as "The Bucket" by the crews of both Pegasus and Galactica. In fact the Galactica's starboard launch pod was outfitted as a Cylon war museum, which remained intact until the final mission against the Cylon colony.
3.) In the tv show Star Trek Picard, in the second to last episode of season 3, the titular character and his immediate allies are in need of a ship. They seek help from Geordi La Forge, Picard's former chief engineer, who is now a commodore in charge of the Starfleet Museum. Geordi reveals that he has restored the Enterprise-D from piecing together bits of sister ships intending it as a museum piece, but which is now the only functioning Starfleet ship not controlled by the Borg. They take the museum ship to battle.
If you can't tell by now, the trope involves a museum ship or a ship being actively decommissioned being rushed back into battle, as a glorious last ride sort of thing.
Did we miss the entry for this, or is this something not documented yet on TV Tropes?
Thank you, Pinkunz
Edited by pinkunzresolved The Wiz - Which Trope to Use? (Resolved) Film
I placed a trivia fact about the Wiz being an Acclaimed Flop on its trivia page, but did not realize I used the wrong trope, and made several edits.
hello86 removed it wholly, citing that it was missue, wasn't that trope and was instead Vindicated by History.
Since I don't want to merely put it back and cause an edit war on my part, I'm asking here: would it make sense I put it back as the corrected listing? I've also sent a DM to ask hello86 to talk things out.
ETA: I have seen that the new fact applies under the YMMV page instead and was moved there, so it looks like everything is done properly. Nothing else needs to be discussed and it doesn't need to be put it back at all since it wasn't deleted.
Edited by Nethiliaopen Horror movie scene plagues my mind I need help Film
No I'm not really sure if it's a movie or a TV series but I remember distinctly some years back I was browsing You Tube when I came into this scene of a man finding out the corpse of an old man in front of him was a mechanical contraption designed to mimic human life and he just have all these creepy flashbacks and I was wondering if this was a movie or a show and if it was what was its name thanks you very much
resolved Edit War Film
Tropers/rjung is edit warring in Miracle Mile. Course of action:
Other than that, the troper in question is saturating the page with complaining edits, in the process misusing Idiot Ball, Idiot Hero and "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot (along with cross-wicking the movie under CHATP).
Edited by TropiarzopenScreenplays as a work type Film
To elaborate: If cinema, as a medium, had fan fiction for it, they would be called unproduced screenplays.
This a request to add screenplays as an additional work type to the list of possibilities. Because there is a wealth of screenplays and "up for grabs" ones at that too — it begs the question, shouldn't we cover them?
It can cover produced ones of course, theater as well as teleplay, and tropes that deal with adaptation differences or other things.
What does the community say?
(I tried looking in the forums but haven't found a related discussion... yet)
openQuint- why "Great White Hunter" and not "Nails on a Chalkboard"? Film
For TV Tropes Video Examples, the clip from Jaws showing Quint's introduction is listed as having Great White Hunter for the primary trope and Nails on a Chalkboard as a secondary trope; furthermore, this clip is visible on the Video Examples page for "Great White Hunter" but not on the Video Examples page for "Nails On A Chalkboard", despite the latter trope being what makes the scene one of the film's most iconic (not to mention Quint's Establishing Character Moment), and the former being a secondary (at best) part of the scene (Quint's Great White Hunter tendencies are better shown in the scenes on the Orca).
In my honest opinion, the clip showing Quint's introduction scene should have "Nails on a Chalkboard" as the primary trope, and "Great White Hunter", "Father Neptune", and "Establishing Character Moment" as secondary tropes.
openUnnecessary folders? Film
on the Awesome page for The Avengers (2012), all of the examples are put into folders based on the film's chronology. I assumed this was due to the page being excessively long, but they don't appear as such on a desktop (can't say the same for mobile). Additionally, the foldering being by chronological events in the film and not by how the content was released (trailers, film, meta, etc) makes me question whether this page needs folders. any input?
Edited by cocohelloopenUnrelated reason for deleting a Moment of Awesome example? Film
On August 25th of this year, TylerFG96 deleted the following Saw III entry from Awesome.Saw, with the edit reason: "Tell me you missed the point of Eric Matthews' arc without telling me you missed the point of Eric Matthews' arc."
- The reveal that Eric Matthews actually escaped the bathroom after the second film by breaking his own foot, and then managed to catch up to Amanda and deliver a brutal Extreme Mêlée Revenge. Even after she gets away, he taunts her by shouting that she's not the real Jigsaw, effectively hitting her Berserk Button.
Even as someone who knows a lot about the Saw series, I'm not really sure how this is supposed to "miss the point of an arc" like Tyler is saying. Sure enough, things go worse for Eric after that moment, but the Awesome pages for the series feature plenty of similar examples citing moments of determination from characters who end failing one way or another, and I can agree this is still a good Awesome example either way, being Eric's Defiant to the End attempt against Amanda (and to a lesser extent, John).
Does anyone else have opinions about this removed example?
Edited by Inky100openFlowers for Algernon Film
I'm hoping someone will add one of the earliest examples of this trope.
A CHUMP AT OXFORD (1940) reveals Stan Laurel's backstory: he was Lord Paddington, Oxford's greatest scholar and athlete. Then a falling window sash hit him on the head. He lost his memory and wandered off. Much later, the brainless amnesiac Stan and his pal Oliver Hardy are awarded tuition at Oxford, where the same window again falls on Stan's head, restoring his genius intellect and fighting skills. He then beats up a mob of bullies, becomes Albert Einstein's adviser, and acquires Hardy as a valet whom he condescendingly calls "Fatty." The very same window hits him a third time, restoring his Stan Laurel persona. For once this trope has a happy ending (at least from Ollie's perspective.)
Edited by DougMolitoropenSector 7 (Korean Movie) Film
Can this film Sector 7 be added on on?
This monster film contains a feral monster who is quite possibly very tragic since it was driven by experimentations and harvesting of many butterfly like creatures being used for fuel under Lee Jeong Man, whom brought up an experiment upon. The monster which i can describe this man eating predator as a miserable creature being subjected to tremendous cruelty.
openWhich fits better? Film
A while back, I added "My Animal" to the Bittersweet Ending page, primarily with:
- My Animal: Heather and Jonny don't get back together and Heather's family has deteriorated further, with Hardy blaming her sexuality for their father's death and Cooper fighting him in her defense. That being said, Heather transforms and kills Jonny's abusive boyfriend Rick, and with Heather being asked to leave her home as a result, things may very well get better for her from there.
However, when the movie got its own page, instead there was:
- Downer Ending: Heather gives in to her wolf side, murdering Richard. Afterward, her mother orders her to leave town for her protection, which Heather does, going toward an uncertain future leaving both her family and Jonny behind.
Maybe I'm just way too optimistic primarily considering the monologue at the very end of the movie, I dunno which is right, and if it's the latter, would it be good to add a "Ray of Hope" Ending entry?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherry
The YMMV page for Die Hard had this entry under Misaimed Fandom:
This was deleted by Miracle@St Olaf with the edit reason merely stating "There's plenty someone can say to argue this, which means it probably doesn't need to be here," but it doesn't make any such argument itself. Should the entry be restored?
Edited by Javertshark13