If you spot an article that has more natter than one person can handle without losing their lunch, report it here.
Fix as much as you can bear to, then call on us for help. 
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Feb 25th 2024 at 10:26:27 AM
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If you simply don't know enough about the work to make a call, the best should be to just hide the example so someone can add more context when they see it.
F1 the robot
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So, I just found this huge example in Real Life
- Gambling for money can be perceived as this because it is possible to win a lot of money, but hardly practical considering all commercial gambling is designed with something else in mind.
- Card counters, rounders, folks who teach games, and professional poker players all beg to differ. Note that most such things are perfectly legal. MIT's famous team, the inspiration for the fictional film 21 and a few more accurate books and documentaries, documented earnings near $170 USD per hour. Adjusted from 1982 dollars to 2012, that is nearly $380 USD per hour. Of course, a simple look at the ratio of successful card counters to folks driven to the poor house by their gambling should give any thinking individual pause. Also, casino security is often trained to look for card counters and rounders and will boot out anyone trying to do so. Just because a practice won't get you in legal trouble does not mean that a private business is powerless to stop you from doing it on their property.
- Playing against the house is always this trope. Even the most successful playing teams required massive investments of capital (to weather long losing streaks) and incredible investments of time. The aforementioned $170/hr earnings are RAW revenue, which doesn't take into account the time for training or the ROI for capital. The actual numbers point to the investors making about a 50% profit over 2 years, and the actual players making something on the order of $10/hr accounting for all the time spent. In other words, the MIT players would have been better off working at Dunkin Donuts. Playing against others, on the other hand, can certainly be profitable, because of a large number of mediocre players. Just be certain you aren't playing against people who can't take losing.
- Texas Hold 'Em for profit is also possible, as a low enough dropnote combined with low blinds can allow a patient player to have a slight edge provided they can properly calculate the odds of a win vs. the reward contained within the pot relative to their own bet, but it's a long game with a very slight edge of usually no more than a few percentage points, meaning that mathematically, you'll end up with more money than you started if you play long enough and don't make too many mistakes, but even that doesn't prevent you from having runs of poor luck where you end up in the hole temporarily.
- The lottery. You don't need to go to a casino (just go to your local convenience store), the gains are massive if you have the winning numbers... if. Given the astronomically low odds of winning, every ticket you purchase could be spent on a 100% chance of getting basic necessities like food and paying the bills.
- Card counters, rounders, folks who teach games, and professional poker players all beg to differ. Note that most such things are perfectly legal. MIT's famous team, the inspiration for the fictional film 21 and a few more accurate books and documentaries, documented earnings near $170 USD per hour. Adjusted from 1982 dollars to 2012, that is nearly $380 USD per hour. Of course, a simple look at the ratio of successful card counters to folks driven to the poor house by their gambling should give any thinking individual pause. Also, casino security is often trained to look for card counters and rounders and will boot out anyone trying to do so. Just because a practice won't get you in legal trouble does not mean that a private business is powerless to stop you from doing it on their property.
Cut all the bullets in-between the first and last ones and try to condense whatever information is salvageable from them into the first bullet.
Edited by DongwaChan on Sep 26th 2022 at 3:54:00 PM
I found this on Trans Nature:
- In The Little Mermaid (1989), Princess Ariel of the Mer-people has a fixation with humans, eventually falling in love with a human and becoming one herself. In this version of the story, humans and merpeople are portrayed as equal, so Ariel's transformation isn't about becoming better or worse. The original Hans Christian Andersen version is not so nice. In this version, it turns out that God loves only mankind, so the Mermaid is doomed from the beginning simply for being born as a "lesser" species. Since her quest in this version was limited to trying to reach out to her Love Interest, it's not an example of this trope. Oh, and it fails miserably, too.
This was in the Animated Films folder and it completely goes off into the original story, with the example talking about the book more than the film. It also states that the original book is not an example. Should the part about the original story be cut?
Cut the part about the original story.
She / Her
I recommend cutting everything after "better or worse".
Bringing this up from Wrestling Doesn't Pay:
- Also parodied on a skit of The Man Show, where Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel tried their hand at pro wrestling. At one point, Adam appears as a character called "The Calligrapher," complete with a Renaissance-themed costume. I can only assume that one of the Calligrapher's signature moves involves poking opponents in the eye with his quill pen. Other gimmicks demonstrated included "The Rabbi", "The Alcoholic Step-Father", and "The Pope". That last one, by the way, is Hilarious in Hindsight now that Elijah Burke had a gimmick in TNA where he was billed "Pope D'Angelo Dinero." (It's a Nonindicative Name, however, as he wasn't Catholic at all but a Protestant street preacher from Harlem.)
She / Her
I feel it's safe to cut "Other gimmicks demonstrated" and everything after that.
Geek
In Trivia.Blinky Bill, under No Export for You, the Finland example goes on to say that Blinky Bill is really popular in Finland. Would that be considered Natter, even if it's minor, and should be removed?
Edited by RAMChYLD on Oct 2nd 2022 at 7:25:51 AM
Re-write it to sound less natter-ish.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
AndTheFandomRejoiced.Video Games has a lot of borderline First-Person Writing. Is that allowed?
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KIRBY CAR
I don't think so. I had previously made an ATT query about it, and GastonRabbit said it wasn't allowed, and it wouldn't be hard to change it to third person. Feel free to remove it.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAM on Oct 3rd 2022 at 10:44:02 AM
he/him
She / Her
Yeah, to my knowledge it isn't allowed unless you're quoting off of someone.
We could create a cleanup thread for it.
the Retromancer
I meant a clean-up thread for And the Fandom Rejoiced.
the Retromancer
Ah. Never seen one.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
If you want one, just create one.
Bringing this up from Escapist Character:
- Owen from Let Me In is a woobie and loner who is neglected by his parents and bullied and beaten up by his classmates. But then new neighbors move in, and the girl next door, Abby, is a beautiful and strange outsider. She encourages him, she shows him real affection and care for him, and she protects him. Eventually Owen leaves the town with his vampire lover Abby.
- Possibly undermined. During the plot, Owen also has some very traumatic experiences, including an attempted murder by his bullies. Also, the end of the film is ambiguous about whether Abby really loves him and turned him into a vampire, or whether she just wants him as a new caretaker.
Musician/Composer
Bringing this one up from Recap.Fairy Tail Tenrou Island Arc:
- Remember the New Guy?: Mest who never appeared in the story or with the guild up to this point.
- The Mole: That because he isn't a Fairy Tail member. He's a spy for the Magic Council. His real name is Doranbolt and he used a spell to make all the members think he was a long time guild member.
Thoughts?
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Bringing these up from Escapist Character. Does writing from the point of view of a character (the third example) count for this?
- Owen from Let Me In is a woobie and loner who is neglected by his parents and bullied and beaten up by his classmates. But then new neighbors move in, and the girl next door, Abby, is a beautiful and strange outsider. She encourages him, she shows him real affection and care for him, and she protects him. Eventually Owen leaves the town with his vampire lover Abby.
- Possibly undermined. During the plot, Owen also has some very traumatic experiences, including an attempted murder by his bullies. Also, the end of the film is ambiguous about whether Abby really loves him and turned him into a vampire, or whether she just wants him as a new caretaker.
- Superman. He's The Cape, the Ideal Hero, and The Paragon whom everyone looks up to, as well as an immensely powerful Flying Brick who put most of the Justice League to shame. And the name of his city, "Metropolis", comes from the Greek and Latin roots for "city," so Clark Kent is basically Everyman, Everywhere.
- More specifically, he was the 'Man of Tomorrow ', i.e. he was supposed to be what ordinary people might dream of someday becoming.
- Admit it, you nerds wish you were as cool as me, dontcha? I put the "success" and "insanity" in Success Through Insanity, I got an assload of guns, swords, and other such killin' tools, the Fourth Wall is my bitch, and I pull off the Rob Liefeld look better than Rob Liefeld ever could!
- The human(or once human) Animorphs are this. They're 5 ordinary teens who are suddenly given the potentially limitless superpower of being able to become any animal they can touch, who then go out and save the world from brain infesting parasites.
- But, like many other instances on this page, this wears off as the series goes on. By then, the main characters feel totally isolated from others, are dealing with intense PTSD and grappling with incredibly huge questions of morality. They've discovered that War Is Hell, and both they, and the reader, just want it to end.
We have, IIRC, a project specifically for cleaning up the obnoxious "all Deadpool references must be self-demonstrating" thing.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
It's here, but it appears to be done. I can't remember if I hollered to have it closed or not, but I don't believe it was ever closed.
