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Number 1/Zeboul

edited 23rd Apr '18 6:52:20 PM by ANewMan

@Clown-Face: I'm fine with cutting that line from Yashiro's entry.

I don't really have an issue with the mentions of Dracula, Gruber, and Myers being Trope Codifiers for that type of villain though.

Yes to Number 1.

Now then, looking over the entries for Harper and Deguerin, I seriously think those should be rewritten and combined, as I said when it was first asked if they should get their own entries or separate. Honestly, it seems like a pretty classic case of the Non-Action Big Bad telling The Heavy (Deguerin is not a Dragon-in-Chief) what to do while The Heavy is sadistic enough in his role to also count... they're pretty much partners in crime the whole way through and for the purposes of CM, I don't see why they warrant two entries.

edited 23rd Apr '18 7:02:15 PM by 43110

Number 1

Also, I have another possible recommendation from Welcome to the Game II.

Who is he?

The Big Bad, Adam.

What did he do?

Well, for starters, he is the reason Clint is even in the situation he is in. He's working with Noir and trying to capture Clint as part of a sick form of entertainment for people on the Deep Web. He has Amalea kidnapped to spur Clint onto his investigation while disguising himself as an ally. And from there, he sets a number of threats to Clint's doorstep (quite literally). Among them are killers like the Noir couple, the Breather, and Lucas Kumegia.

When he has Clint at his mercy, he explains that all of this is to entertain people on the Deep Web to show how people survive. His Social Darwinist mindset is what fuels this endeavor to make a show out of Clint's ordeal. Looking around the room reveals that The Nympho is also a part of his group. Soon, Adam presents Clint with a Sadistic Choice. He can either save Amalea by taking her place and getting killed or he can walk away from the whole thing while letting the innocent woman die.

If you choose to save her, Adam will seem impressed by such a choice, but no more remorselessly allows the man to die in the name of entertainment value. If you choose to save yourself, he believes that you've made the right choice in the end. As you walk out, you hear him order the Noir couple to kill Amalea and you hear her screaming. Either way, blood will be shed for the price of entertaining the Deep Web viewers.

Mitigating Factors?

Absolutely none.

Heinous Standard?

The Doll Maker is the only thing that makes Adam's status questionable, but this guy does cause all of the trouble that you'rt in including having an innocent woman as bait for this whole thing. He allows you to get arrested by police and will let you die all for the sake of making a show out of it. And considering he has considerably more resources than the Doll Maker, he can put his villainy on a larger level. (And likely, I'm sure the Doll Maker would be a welcome addition to the "show" if you chose to summon him. Adam would likely think it was perfect.)

Final Verdict?

In my eyes, I think he stands out by being the mastermind behind the whole plot. But I want to know what you all think. Yes or no?

Number 1

As for Adam? Gotta think. He'd be an easy keep on his own, but the Doll Maker is so goddamn horrifying that I don't know.

I'm for a merge and cut of the Eraser ones, 43.

As for Adam... hmm. Give me some time to think on it.

Already showed this to Scraggs but here's my rewrite:

• Eraser: Undersecretary of Defense Daniel Harper and Marshal Robert DeGuerin are a greedy duo planning to sell powerful weapons to a known terrorist. DeGuerin acts as a mole within the Witness Security Protection Program (WITSEC), murdering witnesses to cover their tracks, including one he was charged to protect. When Marshal John Krueger catches on to the duo, DeGuerin drugs his drink, rendering him unconscious and murders a WITSEC deputy with his gun, making Krueger a fugitive; while he and Harper go on to try to line their own pockets, apathetic to the fact they are risking global terrorism in doing so.

Adan. He is as monstruous as the Doll Maker, just in a different way. Turning girls into Sex dolls is awful, but turning murder and torture into entertainment is just as heinous.

Changing the subjetct....

I finally ended up reading Nabari no Ou. I have several things to say about the manga, it was certainly a good read despite the (IMO) big pacing issues. Reading a Shonen manga written for an Asexual X-gender Aromantic author with a Ambiguously Gay MC (he treats another guy as a legit Love Interest all the time) is certainly a interesting experience.

My best summary of it? Nice characters, Good LGTB representation in a genre marketed to male teenagers but with pacing issues that harms the (otherwise good) Jigsaw Puzzle Plot. I enjoyed it.

Anyway, I have a candidate.

The work in question?

Nabari no Ou is a shonen manga, about how Miharu Rokujo is a modern-day Japanese student apathetic to the world around him. One day, Miharu is protected from a ninja by Koichi Aizawa and Tobari Kumohira, who are ninja affiliated with the Banten Village. He learns that his body carries the Shinrabanshou, a scroll that holds the most powerful secret art in the ninja world of Nabari.

Who is him? What he had done?

Fuuma Kotarou presents himself as a morally ambiguous ally of our heroes, The Leader and master of the Fuuma Village and a friendly Chivalrous Pervert totally willing to Shoot the Dog if he gets to protect the Dangerous Forbidden Technique Shinrabanshou, all while joking about how he really wants it to become a God For Science! and having a harem. Yeah, joking…

Of course, it turns out that he is the real Big Bad and that he had being working with the Big Bad Wannabe, Tojuro Hattori, leader of the Kairoushuu.

Fuuma is actually a 114 years old man, who had been planning getting the Shinrabanshou for decades. Ten years before the beginning of the story, there was an event that ended up with all Ninjas getting their memories deleted from that day except one. Obviously, Fuuma was behind that.

Using his Shapeshifting skills, he does become Inasa, the founder of Kasa, an organization that does train teenagers into assasins. While all ninjas are assasins, Kasa does have the dubious honor of training their students to be assasins and nothing more, complete with teaching its members to kill themselves to ensure success and as a self-punishment if they fail them.

It turns out that the previous owner of the Shinrabanshou was Asahi Rokujou, Miharu's mother. She did try to destroy the Shinrabanshou alongside with her husband, a very young The Mentor Tobari and his grandpa, all while having their four-years old son near to them (to avoid him from becoming a target, it was a great idea...).

When they were doing the ritual to destroy it, hiding themselves from other ninjas. A mysterious cloaked figure appear alongside with a small bunch of fighters, Asahi's husband dies fighting killing the invaders while they try to capture/kill Kid!Tobari and a 4-years old Miharu. When Tobari ran away carrying Miharu towards Asahi and his grandpa, they are intercepted for the cloaked figure, who -after killing the old man and realizing that the 4-years old in front of him is the son of the owner of the Shinrabanshou- kills him…by blowing up his face in front of her. What happen after that is expected, Asahi enters into despair and interrupts the erasure ritual to use the Shinrabanshou and revive her son, giving out her own life and accidentally sealing the Shinrabanshou into him, she deletes the memories of everyone trying to protect her son (except Tobari, who does his best to protect him).

Years later, at the climax of the story, Hattori is killed for his trusted secretary at Fuuma' orders while Fuuma himself tries to extract the Shirabanshou from Miharu with the intention of becoming God, he sends members of Kasa to kill all the protagonists and fatally injure Tobari. All while gloating about how he was behind the tragedy of Miharu and his family and how he is gonna reunite with his “beloved Shinra”.

Fuuma is close to do it until Tobari stabs him in the neck, causing his body to be unable to store the Shinrabanshou and dying from it. After his death, his most trusted student just calls him a stupid while his skulls break at the minimum contact.

Reedeming Traits?

No. No Freudian Excuse beyond “I suddenly realized that I don't want die, so I should become God”. He is always manipulating everyone to trust him. He does calls the spirit of the Shinrabanshou with the name of “my beloved Shinra”, but that is just a case of literal lust for godhood.

Meets the heinous standart?

Well, while Fuuma does work with two heroic characters that also want the Shinrabanshou, but they just work with him out of interest and aren’t related with his child murder (in fact, they tried to stop it, they only work with Fuuma because they lost the memories of said day) and while Ninjas are assassins, Kasa is the only one that does train its members in such a dehumanizing way.

Nabari no Ou is pretty low-tier in terms of power, the technique of “Kira”, who gets Cast from Hit Points and can do things as blowing up body parts is pretty much the top in terms of power, this is a series where a guy with a gun is a serious threat. The manga is also pretty lighthearted with its villains, most of them are Anti-Villain except some few.

Fuuma and his child murder, his manipulations and his control over Kasa passes the standard quite easily.

Overall thoughts?

While pretty low-tier compared to other shonen villains, Fuuma does meet all the criteria in his proper series.

A Sociopath who want become God and manipulates everyone to do it, turns children and teenagers into expendable assassins and murder kids in front of their mother, knowing that it can risk the entire world.

I have see even more over the top villains in Seinen to be honest.

Wyald. The Murder rape machine from Berserk comes to mind.

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:04:01 PM by KazuyaProta

Yes to Fuuma. You really gotta love how these shonen villains are like the antithesis of subtlety.

Honestly slightly opposed to the rewrites for Daniel Harper and DeGuerin namely because one is obviously being active with following the orders of the former. Though I guess it's also personal bias because I felt personally proud of the write-ups.

But I guess that's out of my hands.

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:05:20 PM by AustinDR

I'll go for Fuuma, too. Excellent comment, by the way. XD

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:05:14 PM by ClownPrince47

#1 and Fuuma.

Yes to the last two villains.

Austin, the fact one is the doer and the other one the thinker is the exact reason I'm calling for them to be combined. There's really zero reason in splitting them, this is not a Rice and Pierce situation, they literally share crimes in this case, like the Diviner and Loden. The fact they don't always appear on screen together doesn't mean they need to be pointlessly split.

I was just explaining my thinking... stay civil.

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:14:21 PM by 43110

Fuuma. Not sure about Adam.

I don't mind the alteration; like I said, it's a personal opinion. I don't need to be lectured abut it.

Seems most are fine with keeping the trope codifier line. That's fair. Here's a slight rewrite with that other comment removed.

• Complete Monster: Count Dracula himself is the Trope Codifier for the modern vampire. A hideous, blood-sucking monster, Dracula commits a number of crimes over the course of the novel, including keeping Jonathan Harker prisoner and trying to drive him insane; kidnapping a baby to feed to his fellow vampires, before sending wolves to kill the mother when she demands her baby back; driving his own servant, Renfield, to madness; sending a wolf after Lucy and her mother to gain entry to her house before draining her blood and turning her into a vampire (killing Lucy's mother through sheer fear at the wolf's appearance in the process); and turning Mina into a vampire to uncover his enemies' plans against him. Dracula ultimately plans to move to England so that he can feast on the people of London to his heart's content. Overall, the vampire count is an undead abomination devoid of humanity and worthy of no sympathy.

I forgot mentioning a crime of Fuuma in his EP.

When he wanted spy on another Ninja. He did set up a situation where said ninja would become fond of the spy and viceversa.

While he claims that it was a Shoot the Dog moment to protect Miharu and the Shinrabanshou (it was when Fuuma was posing as the Token Evil Teammate) is clear that Fuuma is doing it for the satisfaction of seeing the personal drama of his spy and the spied.

It probably wouldn't go into his Entry, but damn. That was just So Petty.

Here. I did a attempt of entry for Fuuma. Just in case, he is a easy one.

There no Pot Holes in it. I just wanna see how it look and what do you think of it.

• While initially presenting himself as a morally ambiguous ally, Fuuma Kotarou is actually the real mastermind of the tragedy surrounding Miharu' life. A 117 years old ninja with shapeshifter skills. Fuuma manipulates several persons to obtain the Shinrabanshou. Posing as Inasa, he founds Kasa, a organization that trains children and teenagers into becoming expendable assassins ready to die in any moment. Ten years before the story, Fuuma killed a Four-Years old Miharu, blowing up his face in front of his mother with the intention of forcing her into despair and ruin her attempts to destroying the Shinrabanshou. In the climax of the story, after betraying and orchestrating the murder of his biggest ally, Fuuma tries to steal the Shinrabanshou from Miharu and orders his allies to kill all his friends, torturing Tobari, who horrified at his evil, breaks his own code to stop him.

Oh yeah, it does. I did a new entry for it.

I wonder if we can contact with the guy that added it. Fuuma counts but that entry barely tell me "why" beyond being 1) Manipulative and 2) Would Harm a Child.

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:45:02 PM by KazuyaProta

Yea on Fuma but abstain on Adam

@Kazuya Prota By the way.... Do you think that the current CM in Nabari needs an absolute rewrite at least?

Sure to Adam and Fuma.

edited 23rd Apr '18 8:43:38 PM by Beast

Here's my question about Adam: how genuine is his friendship with the protagonist of Welcome to the Game?

Ambiguous. Whilst she is on his side in the sequel, he may have just recruited her because it seemed fun.

That said, to Adam for me. Doll Maker's presence alone renders it debatable, but I'd say his villainy comes too late to really clarify him as a CM. Perhaps with a tad more screentime.

edited 23rd Apr '18 9:10:18 PM by Riley1sCool

to Fuuma and Adam (the latter of which I voted tentatively)

edited 23rd Apr '18 9:28:27 PM by G-Editor

Fuuma, abstaining on Adam.

No. 1(I actually used to read Daniel X, still a better twist than some you see in Pattersons' other famous book Maximum Ride) and Fuuma. Abstain on Adam

edited 23rd Apr '18 9:49:40 PM by miraculous

After mulling over it for a bit... I think I'm inclined to agree with Riley. I'm going to edge "nay" to Adam.