Not Tropeworthy: The Great Player Versus Player Debate

The Great Player Versus Player Debate is a debate over whether player characters should be able to attack each other at all times, or only when certain conditions are met. It cannot be a trope because it pertains to discussions and opinions that occur outside of the game itself. However, there is a mention of "a PVP system that is somewhere between 'consensual only' and 'completely unrestricted,'" which could be a trope.

In addition to the "Not Tropeworthy" reason, the page is also "Not Thriving." There are no examples on the page. However, a Wick Check reveals 3 examples from work pages and 14 other mentions of the page, including potholes. It may not have been necessary to check all the wicks that aren't examples. However, because they make up the majority of wicks, and there are less than 50 of them, I have checked them all. Here are the results:

• Examples
  • Correct use (1/17, 6%)
  • Partial context (1/17, 6%)
  • No context (1/17, 6%)
• Other Wicks
  • Correct use (4/17, 24%)
  • No context (6/17, 35%)
  • Misuse (1/17, 6%)
  • Miscellaneous (3/17, 18%)

A few things could be done with this page. Perhaps a Crowner could be made with the following options:

• Cut the page
• Do nothing
• Make the page a Definition-Only Page
• Make the page In-Universe Examples Only
• Make the page into Analysis.Player Killing
• Make the page into Analysis.Player Versus Player
• Make the page Trivia
• Make the page a Useful Note (like Console Wars)
• Make the page YMMV (like Broken Base)

I am leaning towards making the page YMMV because it's about differences of opinion.

Absolute Sword Strata:

Tropes associated with Rockwald:

• The Great Player Versus Player Debate: PvP is unrestricted in the game, but Player Killing is frowned upon. Shisou tries his best to alleviate the issue. His dev-guild, the Sleeping Forest is one of the largest guilds in the game, to the point it's assumed its members are everywhere. Its members are required to only engage in PvP in Colosseums, after being attacked, or in agreed-to duels; and if a Sleeping Forest member witnesses griefing behaviour, the guild answers by sending squads of appropriately-named Punishers to return the favor.

Guild Wars:

• The Great Player Versus Player Debate: PvE and PvP are segregated. Some players and guilds only focus on one or the other, and the strategies for each are vastly different.
  • Guild Wars 2 is similar, limiting PvP to specific areas and events. The addition of WvW in Guild Wars 2 blends both, however, allowing large scale PvP battles in large open maps dedicated to the gamemode.

Star Pirates:

• The Great Player Versus Player Debate: happens with some frequency.

• Casual-Competitive Conflict:

Compare The Great Player Versus Player Debate, which is this spread into MMORPG paradigms.

• Player Killing:

One of the major issues of The Great Player Versus Player Debate.

• Player Versus Player:

Some games have both a PvP mode and a PvE mode. In some cases, the two modes occur at the same time, like in most MMORPGs. In World of Warcraft^note Technically WoW allows players to create characters in different realms. Only in PvP realms can ambushes of that sort happen. In Normal realms you can only be attacked if you have recently attacked other players, certain NPCs, or chosen to "flag" yourself. Many other MMORPGs have similar separations., the player character can be busy with a quest vs. computer generated monsters in an outdoor zone, and be ambushed by enemy players nearby. This can be either irritating or exhilarating, depending on your mood and tolerance for fellow players, forming the basis of The Great Player Versus Player Debate.

• Video Game Culture:
  • Player Versus Player: Exactly What It Says on the Tin.
    • The Great Player Versus Player Debate: Whether it's better to allow players to attack each other anywhere, only in certain areas, or not at all.

Video Games:

• There are quite a few fault-lines among video gamers in general, on a wider scale than any one game:
  • PC Vs Console
  • Computer Wars
  • Console Wars
  • The Great Player Versus Player Debate

City Guards:

• On the other side of the coin, some of the guards in earlier Ultima games were just way stronger than your characters, at least at first. In addition, many MMOs use City Guards which are pretty well leveled, largely to keep PVP from getting out of hand.

PVP Balanced: See An Adventurer Is You and The Great Player Versus Player Debate.

• BoxxyQuest: The Gathering Storm:
  • Take That!: Basically every website gets slammed for something.
    • In GameFAQs, the player is sent to collect four orbs, each related to an aspect of video games: plot, puzzles, platforming, and player-versus-player combat. The first three are at the end of a long and complex system of dungeons. The last one is sitting in a random field outside of town being guarded by a literal baby.
• City of Heroes:

Player-vs-Player combat was limited to restricted areas and is not necessary for game or level progress, although certain bonuses could be gathered by risking yourself in these areas.

• Ultima Online:
  • Griefer - This game was legendary for how griefer-friendly it was in the old days, mainly due to the designers being unaware of the G.I.F.T before they loosed the public on it. See also: The Great Player Versus Player Debate.

Dragon Nest:

• Abridged Arena Array:
  • The level 40 patch gives us the Dark Overlord Training Camp which had a Good Bad Bug allowing for Sequence Breaking Speed Runs. This became a popular training spot for Super-Speed classes like Warriors and Archers but it made Mighty Glacier Clerics overpowered as a result. Needless to say, it spawned MASSIVE Flame Wars between Clerics and everyone else in the SEA server.
  • Other dungeons are either Nintendo Hard or It's Easy, So It Sucks!, but don't give much EXP per hour than DOTC can. This is not helped by the associated Repeatable Quest having the highest EXP reward of all the Assault quests despite the dungeon being available at a lower level than others. More runs per hour, more profit.
  • In retaliation, Clerics have united against the players (mostly the aforementioned Super-Speed classes) who kicked them from DOTC parties by kicking them from Manticore and Apocalypse parties. The catch? It's nigh-difficult if not impossible to take down These One Bosses without a Cleric! This gave rise to an intense debate about which classes are the most useful against future bosses such as the Sea Dragon and the Green Dragon.

Pages Needing Wicks:

• The Great Player Versus Player Debate (August 29, 2014)

GIFT Wicks:

VideoGame.Ultima Online

• Griefer - This game was legendary for how griefer-friendly it was in the old days, mainly due to the designers being unaware of the GIFT before they loosed the public on it. See also: The Great Player Versus Player Debate.

Amonimus: ^note Amonimus, if you read this post, I would welcome your feedback

• The Great Player Versus Player Debate: No examples, not a trope.