Awesome Music ZCE Cleanup

As you may now, Awesome Music is a ZCE magnet, and this is the thread to stop it.

Does the following example from The Batman (2021) look like it has enough context?:

• Awesome Music: The teaser's usage of "Something in the Way" combined with Michael Giacchino's new Batman theme really gives off the dark vibes of the Dark Knight's world.

Not technically ZCE, but should examples from fan works really be on a franchise's Awesome Music page?

Edited by ccorb on Aug 26th 2020 at 9:58:59 AM

Nope.

Then time to clean up AwesomeMusic.Sonic The Hedgehog and AwesomeMusic.Touhou.

Just removed the Fan Games and Fan Remixes folders from the Sonic page, commented out ZCEs on the respective fan game YMMV pages.

Edited by ccorb on Aug 26th 2020 at 3:54:56 PM

I've removed ZCE entries from YMMV.Gen Lock, but I'm not sure about these. I think the first two might be just about okay, but my instinct is to pull the third one as well (I haven't yet, I'm looking for a second opinion first):

• Awesome Music:
  • The Season One theme song, "Belgrade" by Battle Tapes, is an upbeat electro-rock ballad that goes hand in hand with the series' high-octane adrenaline mech action.
  • The Vanguard's heroic orchestral leitmotif, which plays prominently during scenes like the Vanguard's entrance in the Battle of New York and the Holons' Big Damn Heroes moment during Operation Coyote.
  • The somber piano piece that plays in Weller's flashback in Episode 6 is hauntingly beautiful.

Do these examples from AwesomeMusic.Blade Runner look like they have enough context?:

• The soundtrack of Blade Runner by Vangelis is nothing short of a milestone in both the Cyberpunk science fiction subgenre and Electronic Music in general. Especially "Main Title", "Love Theme", "Blade Runner Blues", "Tears in the Rain" and "End Titles".
• The contrast between the various "official" versions and the famous "workprint" version of the scene where Rachael watches Deckard try to clean himself up after almost getting beaten to death is a great illustration of how music works in movies:
  • In the workprint, creepy dissonant noise music highlights that Deckard is vulnerable and Rachael could easily kill him at that point if she decided it was her best chance at survival and freedom.
  • In the later "normal" cuts, romantic music implies Rachael feels sorry for Deckard and protective of him. The entire meaning of the scene is completely different, even though nothing changed except the music.
• Then there's the torch song "One More Kiss, Dear", whose lyrics encapsulate the plot.

• A beautiful and tear-jerking reprise of "Tears in the Rain" when K brings Deckard to his daughter and looks like he's about to die from his wounds. It is the only moment where Zimmer and Wallfisch used a Vangelis track.
• In the original score we have the ominous 2049, the sweeping Mesa, and the thunderously climactic Sea Wall.
• On the creepy side of things, there's the oppressive Flight to LAPD and the ghostly theme for Wallace.
• The film was to be scored by Jóhann Jóhannsson, but he left production for undisclosed reasons and his contributions were removed from the picture. As the teaser and trailer showed, he remixed themes of Vangelis to invoke both thematic continuity and nostalgia of the original.

Does this example from Dune 2020 look like it has enough context?:

• Awesome Music: The first trailer concludes with an epic choral cover of "Eclipse" from The Dark Side of the Moon. Made even more awesome (and kind of funny) knowing that Alejandro Jodorowsky wanted Pink Floyd for the soundtrack of his doomed version of Dune in The '70s.

Sort of, but then it starts getting into some unrelated fluff that distracts from the point of the example.

I tried to make my example on Rags well-written; is it enough context? It's hard to describe what makes the song cool without knowing actual music terms or even the genre of the song itself:

• Awesome Music: "Masquerade" by Robosoul, which features some cool opening beats and lyrics about deception and masquerades. It plays during the Masquerade Ball during an already cool dance scene, and makes the scene all the more memorable.

So which bits would be considered the unrelated fluff that can be cut?

Well, for one thing, the song's genre is dubstep.

Anything after the song is described. It just goes on a tangent.

Okay, wasn't sure. That's helpful though.

Bringing up the following examples from Adventures in Babysitting:

• Awesome Music:
  • A gravelly-voiced Albert Collins issues the decree of "Nobody leaves this stage without singin' the Blues." And thus, we demonstrate that Elisabeth Shue has surprisingly good pipes.
  • The Rolling Stones. "Gimme Shelter". What else can you ask for? ^note well, it would've been nice of them to not cut it off so quickly, but hey, it's still "Gimme Shelter".

While both are definitely ZCE, I wonder, should Awesome Music entries include pre-existing music licensed for the work in the first place?

I feel like this situation is why AwesomeMusic.Music and its subpages exist.

I'm rather self-conscious about my troping, so I like to ask for opinions. Are there any on AwesomeMusic.The Jackbox Party Pack that I should expand on?

Bringing up the following examples from Die Another Day:

• Awesome Music:
  • The outrageously fun "Welcome To Cuba".
  • For techno lovers, "Iced, Inc." (aka Duel Of The Cool Cars) is an absolute treat.
  • Broken Base nonwithstanding there's no denying that the titular theme song is catchy as hell and sets up the high tech tone perfectly well!

Is the ZCE-ing on AwesomeMusic so bad that it has it's own anti-ZCE thread?

The main problem is that a lot of people (myself included) think that just dropping a link without saying anything is good enough, which is not true. I realize that a lot of people aren't musically literate and thus able to go into a bunch of detail about a particular song, but even just saying "This song is upbeat and really gets your blood pumping for the boss fight" is a lot more than most entries do. You don't have to write a dissertation about the genius of music from an 80's arcade game, but you do have to at least try to explain why you like something.

Edited by Serac on Dec 15th 2020 at 9:30:03 AM

Sometimes when a ZCE problem is very pervasive we split the thread to make it easier. So yeah, this one is warranted because a majority of the examples are ZCE.

It's hard to explain what makes a song "awesome". In my attempt posted above I did manage to provide decent context but I still feel like it's missing something, and that was me trying.

Something tells me that if something is successfully explained as to why it fits on that Moments page, it loses the intended sensation, a bit like the aftermath of explaining a joke.

Maybe, but we also had to turn Ear Worm into an IEUO trope for the exact same reason, so I'd rather err on the side of too much context than too little.

Need assesment for hololive, Puyo Puyo, and Minecraft.

Also need assesment from Life of Boris:

• Awesome Music:
  • Collaborated with DJ Blyatman and created SLAV KING a great piece of Hard Bass with pretty catchy lyrics.
  • Also collaborated with XS Project to create another awesome Hard Bass piece: RED ROUBLES with a special guest appearance by Anatoli
  • The music that plays in his videos by uamee, Gopnik McBlyat and DJ Blyatman is pretty damn awesome too.

Found from Real-Time Fandub:

• Awesome Music:
  • The parody songs used as the openings or endings of the dubs. Special mention to the Die Young/My Destiny mashup used as the ending of the Sonic 06 dub for combining two very different songs, and even incorporating Pumpkin Hill into the full version.
  • The Dramatic Pumpkin Hill theme that plays when Shadow and Rouge start to plan out their battle royale for the first time.
  • The opening credits for Sonic 06 use a version of the game's own theme, "His World", with the lyrics changed into an ode to improv itself.
    In this dub, no lines to throw
    In this dub, never stop or slow!
    When you quip without a script you'll find
    It's not funny all the time
    But if we never try we'll never know!
  • For the opening credits of the RE2 Remake Fandub, they make use of a remix and mashup between X Gonna Give it to Ya and Aqua Ring.
  • In the Sonic Riders dub in the Zero Gravity portion when Babylon Garden turns into a black hole, we're treated to a dramatic rendition of Alfred's "There Goes Hawaii" tune from the Sonic Adventure 2 fandub.

Bringing up the following example from The Three Musketeers (2011):

• Awesome Music: Whatever else about the film, Paul Haslinger's score is a thing of beauty.