Nightmare Fuel cleanup and maintenance

...sigh...

Aspie_Gamer re-added the Sephiroth trailer to NightmareFuel.Super Smash Bros Ultimate, deleting the comment in the process. Not only did they not come to discuss it here first, the example also has incorrect formatting and grammar, and is, as usual, just a scene summary.

• [[Video Game/ FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] wastes no time making his foreboding presence in Smash Bros known by having him one-shot Galeem cutting through the bright other-worldly abomination like its tissue paper before reigning down hell upon the shocked fighters as the sky darkens to match the despair wrought by the One Winged Angel himself!

I deleted the example, added the comment back, and sent them a PM.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 2nd 2021 at 2:55:22 PM

I thought we were locking the page?

What's not Nightmare Fuel about THE video game villain felling an Eldritch Abomination in one slice and then seemingly gutting Mario (except not really)?

Yet, a pair of pixel eyes peeking out from the darkness in the Steve trailer qualifies to stay on the page?

But why did you just delete the warning comment, when it clearly explained that the example needs to be discussed?

Nightmare Fuel is not for anything unnerving or intense. It's for scenes that stick to you, haunting you even when the trailer is over, perhaps even to the point of causing actual nightmares. A villain being powerful is not automatically scary in that way, especially since he's not even the villain of this specific work.

Also, Sephiroth "impaling" Mario is almost definitely not Nightmare Fuel, since as you say, he's immediately revealed to be completely unharmed, so the horror of the scene doesn't last long enough for it to actually get into your dreams.

If anything, your response is more presenting a case for getting rid of the Steve example (which, to be honest, does kinda feel like an exaggeration).

Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 2nd 2021 at 8:14:08 AM

If you think the scene is genuinely scary, that's a case to keep it. But thus far people keep adding it on the basis of it being tense and shocking, and not because they genuinely feel horror from it.

Probably should take the opportunity to point out that Shocking Moments is a thing. So, perhaps the Sephiroth trailer should be listed under there, if it's not already.

The page image for Cartoon Network is a Vanity Plate that has little to do with the network other than being for the production company of Ed, Edd n Eddy. Is that allowed? Figured I'd ask here before taking it to Image Pickin' so I can get some consensus first.

I agree that it isn't really the most representative image, since it's more about another company. I actually think that it'd be better to have it BUPKIS (since I don't have any replacements to suggest).

Take it to Image Pickin’.

Alright thanks, when I have time I will.

EDIT: Started a thread.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 3rd 2021 at 12:35:34 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/ReadyJetGo

Please tell me how any of the examples on this page are in any way, shape, or form anything above "maybe a little bit creepy".

The page has been brought up before, and lots of even worse examples were deleted. But I agree that most of what's left could probably be deleted too.

Well, here's a look at that disaster:

• "The Plant from Bortron 7"
  • Right after the group gets the gigantic plant back to its normal size, Mindy plants more seeds of said plant. The episode ends with more giant plants stomping around. Just like that, the episode also ends with the kids screaming in terror. Sounds more weird/silly than anything.
• "Mission to Mars"
  • Sean realizes that humans have to overcome a lot of challenges to go to Mars, and definitely not right away. There's also the fact that Sean is a human and if he doesn't have the proper training and equipment, he would not survive on Mars. | Pure Fridge Horror. Hell, I'm not sure if you could even call this Fridge Horror.
• "Kid-Kart Derby"
  • Jet is about to win the titular derby until he sees Cody the dog in his path, and (accidentally) almost runs him over with his kart. Thank God that Jet just narrowly avoided Cody, albeit while losing the derby in the process. Just some slight tension.'''
• "My Fair Jet"
  • During the Open House, the DSA Weather Balloon gets away. Sean and Sydney try to grab it, and Sean ends up clinging to the weather balloon. Of course, Sean is terrified at this and keeps clinging on for dear life. You can tell by the expression on Dr. Rafferty's face that she is traumatized by her son flying away. Even Sydney was distraught. Thank God that Jet saved him. Again, just sounds like minor tension with no real risk.
• "Jet's Time Machine"
  • The kids go back in time so they can see a meteor shower that they missed. However, because they (save for Mindy and Sunspot), keep missing it, they are stuck in an endless loop. They would have done this for eternity if they kept messing up. Thank God that the kids' logic and smarts saved the day and they broke out of the loop. Once again, just minor tension.
• "Back to Bortron 7"
  • Carrot's creepy chuckling, which echoes in Sean's mind at the beginning of the "There's No Planet Like My Planet" song. Probably not that scary.
  Carrot: HAHAHAHA. ABSOLUTELY.
• "Jet Shrinks the Kids"
  • In the episode, Jet, Sean, Sydney, and Sunspot use a shrink ray to become the size of Mindy. However, things go awry and they become the size of mice. At one point, Mindy goes to get something, which leaves them all alone in the garage. Mitchell uses this as an opportunity to sneak into Jet's garage. Unknowingly, almost MURDERS Jet, Sean, Sydney, and Sunspot by stepping on them. I love how "murders" is in Bold Inflation to make this seem far more frightening than it actually is. Probably just some more minor tension.
  • And then there's Cody chasing them, wanting to eat them. (Or so Sean thinks) It gets even worse when the kids try to hide in a takeout box, full of smelly left-overs, and Cody drags it to a nearby sandbox. Again, doesn't sound very scary.
• "Mindy Turns Five":
  • There's just something really off about how the characters casually talk about how they would not survive without their helmets on the moon like it's nothing. I... I.. don't even know what this is. Either way, it absolutely doesn't belong here.
• "My Three Suns",
  • Jet trying to tag Sean and Sydney, and then ending up in a black void where he'll be it "forever", kinda gives off a Nothing Is Scarier vibe. Meh, probably not too frightening.
• "Astronaut Ellen Ochoa":
  • The subplot with the DSA scientists slowly becomes oddly scary. We get to see Bergs slowly descend into madness. At one point, the alarm sounds and the entire room turns blood-red. Bergs freaks out, thinking that it's a blackout. After Skelley clarifies that it was just a power surge, her rocket test disappears, and Sunspot somehow hacks into the computer and spams it with GIFs of himself. What makes it worse is when Bergs implies that this has happened more than once. Yeah, this doesn't sound scary. Especially the part about Sunspot hacking the computer and spamming it with gifs of himself, which just sounds comedic.

Meta:

• At certain PBS events, there will be a meet-and-greet with Jet Propulsion. The problem is, the Jet Propulsion walkaround◊ is VERY off-putting. It's truly a wonder how all those kids weren't scared of the walkaround. This could be moved to Uncanny Valley.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jan 3rd 2021 at 5:02:53 AM

The ONLY one I could even kinda see as "nightmare fuel" is the plant one, but even then, it's probably more Lightmare Fuel than anything else.

At that amount of examples, we'll need a major cleanup for this.

Like for all Ready Jet Go pages? If somebody went bananas editing them with shoehorns, I'd be okay with that. (Maybe we need a general cleanup for kids' show pages trying too hard to sound mature?)

Honestly I've been thinking the same.

The only examples that maybe kinda slightly sounds okay are being stuck in a black void forever, and perhaps the computer getting hacked (depending on how it's presented in the show).

Is anything in NightmareFuel.Among Us worth salvaging? Almost all examples are Fridge Horror crap and not overtly scary.

Didn't we do a full analysis of that page at one point?

Edited by jandn2014 on Jan 3rd 2021 at 10:25:36 AM

x5 Adults and teenagers trying to make kids' shows sound edgy isn't the only problem with pages for those shows — as jandn noted here, the complaining cleanup thread often runs into problems with pages for kids' shows attracting complaining from people outside the target demographic.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 3rd 2021 at 11:17:42 AM

I really hope no one minds me bringing this up, but this is on Chick Tracts:

• Combining Nightmare Fuel with Fridge Horror, the mere fact that Jack Chick actually based the comics on his actual reactionary beliefs.
  • Along with the fact that there are some people who genuinely agree with him or have similar reactionary beliefs.
  • Then the Paranoia Fuel inside of the Nightmare Fuel sets in when you wonder three things:
    • If he's right, basically all of us are doomed.
    • If he's partially right, some of us are doomed, but that's not much better.
    • If he's wrong, then a new form of Paranoia Fuel is added to the Nightmare Fuel and Paranoia Fuel combination in that if this is the case, he made the Chick Tracks all for nothing and he's completely delusional.

Just nuke the entire thing.

I think the plant ending sounds like the kind of thing that could've scared me as a kid. The computer part too, I'd advocate to keep those. Definitely cut .

I just finished a blind playthrough of Persona 3 Portable yesterday, so let's see how bad the NightmareFuel.Persona 3 article is. Keep in mind that this game is rated M for mature, and thus intended for players in their late-teens. I haven't played FES, so I'm going to leave those entries alone.

NightmareFuel.Jenny Nicholson... surprised we have this. Even if any of this is worth keeping, it doesn't need to be a subpage.

• From "Better Disney Theme Park Movies", her 7th suggestion is based on Cars Land, which begins amusingly as she hypothesizes that due to it being a different setting than Radiator Springs from the series, it's possibly its own Alternate Continuity... then it takes a hard turn for the creepy once she actually gets into the proposed story that verges on Surreal Horror, not helped by her abruptly emotionless narration. I'd keep this one, because she poses a story that works as Surreal Horror, and she narrates it in an eerie way. However, it should explain more about the story itself and what makes it creepy.
  "You're a bad car."
• Top 10 reasons why I don't do ASMR. The spiders. Dear good the spiders, just starring into your soul the whole video. They're cute little plush spiders without any creepy features. This is a reach.
• Her review of the second Target Porg in her "Rating. Every. Porg." video. Not sure. This description feels too vague to really be scary, and it's more funny than anything, and the Porg itself is obviously not.
  "It looks almost the same [as the first target Porg], but just different enough to unnerve and confuse you. Like waking up in your house to find everything shifted an inch to the right. Your family at breakfast. But something unfamiliar behind their eyes."
  • The post-credits scene of this particular video is a close up of porg plush starring into the viewer's soul with its huge lifeless eyes. It's a little creepy, and I could see it giving a small child nightmares, but that's not Jenny's viewer demographic.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 4th 2021 at 5:49:42 AM