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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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This question would be a better fit for Trope Talk.
Accumulating Filibuster Counters
Very Punchable Man, which I came across today, seems to be a a probable duplicate trope candidate and just wanted to check it's not come up before. It seems to be at best The Same, but More Specific for Asshole Victim, being a character that The Hero can beat up guilt-free because they suck.
Also, can I just confirm that for duplicate tropes, do both need a wick check?
Edited by Azorius24 on Mar 7th 2024 at 11:51:22 AM
"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".
Officially intimidated
A wick check can determine how many examples make the two tropes overlap.
135 - 169 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300
Accumulating Filibuster Counters
So the number of examples for Very Punchable Man which are examples of Asshole Victim?
Can shapeshift (probably)
Not quite. You'd need to check at least 50 of the wicks at random, then categorize them afterward. See How to Do a Wick Check.
FWIW I've been wary of that trope for a while myself, because when I remember that it's actually a thing, I can never tell whether it's meant to be about characters that are merely thrown around by the heroes as a demo of strength (which feels chairsy) or a trope about hate sinks in superhero-oriented media that are bound to get beat up (which feels like The Same, but More Specific) to Bit Part Bad Guys. The superhero setting restriction seems unnecessary, and nebulous in terms to whether it even is a restriction (since the description is really unclear about it).
Silver and gold, silver and gold
One-Track Mind (he/him)
So I know that ppl sniping threads from those next in the queue is A-OK and all, but F Sharp has been doing just that on occasion for a good while now (most recently this morning with Digging Game) and it's kinda getting on my nerves. I admit this is probably just a pet peeve of mine, and I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it, but still.
This is Idol Tap. (My Troper Wall)
the Retromancer
It's only okay when there's a solid wick check and an argument. We have a queue, but in reality it doesn't matter in which order tropes are handled as long as we work on something. The queue provides more like lookahead in case there's something wrong with OP and lets people post OP a mod can repost for them.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 8th 2024 at 2:46:02 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
The TRS Queue is informal and does not need to be followed strictly for that reason, so there is no problem here.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 6:04:12 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Double posting because the Drop The Hammer dewicking bulletin was taken down since its thread has concluded.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 6:05:32 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Accumulating Filibuster Counters
(x5) Thanks, I’ve set one up now and will commence shortly. Although on closer inspection, I think it might need to fall under "Needs Help" as seems to amalgamate an awful lot of tropes, as you point out with the Bit Part Bad Guys overlap, etc.
Edited by Azorius24 on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:55:19 PM
"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I had to mark the Canon Immigrant thread from ~Mrph1, which ended up at the top of the TRS Queue, as being on hold because the OP listed says the wick check is still a work in progress. I'll hold off on moving it to the section for threads that are on hold since he's still active on the site.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 9th 2024 at 7:50:10 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
he/him
I'll try to get that completed and posted today.
Edit: Not going to happen, so I've moved it back in the queue.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 13th 2024 at 10:46:16 AM
How sweet it is
Finally getting around to writing up OP's for the two tropes that I have in the queue.
Update: Writeups done. After noticing that For Your People, By Your People is indexed as an advertising trope, I decided to do a quick wick check as it had a lower wick count threshold.
Edited by Berrenta on Mar 11th 2024 at 10:17:30 AM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
~randomtroper89 is up next now that Archer Archetype's thread is done.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
the Retromancer
~Coachpill has removed Deliberate Flaw Retcon from Audience Reactions with edit reason "trivia". I see it at Trivia, but I don't see a discussion. Has it been at both?
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 15th 2024 at 9:56:10 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Can shapeshift (probably)
This April 2015 edit indicates it was added unilaterally, and I can't find a discussion either, so I assumed it was safe to remove.
Incidentally though, I was going to bring up this trope, Indecisive Parody and Parody Retcon in Trope Talk, since I think they have issues with how they're defined.
Silver and gold, silver and gold
I think there's a recent decision that genre pages (and by extension subgenre pages) shouldn't have on-page examples. In that case, if there's a need to make a TRS thread on a genre and a subgenre, a wick check doesn't seem to be an option. So what is needed, in this case?
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
the Retromancer
Where was this decision? This thread argues if it's really the case.
I've seen such entries removed from my watchlist citing this.
the Retromancer
I see nothing in that post about "genre pages shouldn't have on-page examples". It says that indexes can't be used as tropes in example lists. If you see an edit citing that it'd be better to discuss it at ATT.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 16th 2024 at 9:35:53 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
To clarify, "on page examples" refers to examples on the trope page, not work page wicks.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
It seems I'm confused with some terminology, but my question is probably still there. However, I will reformulate it here:
I think there's a recent decision that genre pages (and by extension subgenre pages) shouldn't be listed as tropes on work pages. In that case, if there's a need to make a TRS thread on a genre and a subgenre, should I perform a wick check (which would, after the end of cleaning up, citations of the relevant parts of the work descriptions), or in some other ways?
Angry babby
I'm pretty sure you can still link the genre in the description or mention it in an example for another trope, which is specifically laid out in the post you linked. So it would pick up wicks that way.
Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 16th 2024 at 3:36:45 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
the Retromancer
Indexes not allowed to be listed as tropes is not recent, it's been a thing for as long as I remember per Not a Trope. I still don't see what pages require what action.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 16th 2024 at 10:55:18 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I sense some issues with Leave Behind a Pistol's description. The first two paragraphs go over lengthy detailed foreshadowing of the situation but fail to focus reader on the topic due to distracting them with too many potholes.
Also the description doesn't consider the possibility of the downed loser to point the gun at the giver. Which indeed happened in e.g. Deep Rising* or Black Lagoon*
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.