Is this an example?

That can be listed as miscellaneous trivia. E.g.

• The author associates the characters with the following songs:
  • yadda yadda

Does Mutually Exclusive Magic have to go both ways? The title would suggest yes, but the description isn't explicit about it. I was looking at this bleach example

• Quincy vs Hollow powers appear to be this. Quincy powers destroy souls and Hollow spirit energy is toxic to Quincies.

Its currently a bit ZCE, but hollow powers are toxic to quincies. However there are examples of hollows using quincy powers without any problems.

Don't think it actually has to be mutual, it only needs to explain that one user using two superpowers would be harmful or impossible, which "is toxic" would also need to elaborate.

From Recap.Two Letters Chapter 7:

• Riches to Rags: Downplayed; the Cesaires weren't one of the wealthiest families in Paris before, and their new apartment, while smaller and less impressive than their previous one, isn't falling apart or anything of the sort. It's just... far removed from where they were before.

So, the Cesaires family were never rich and appears to have some money problems in canon. I don't think that they suddenly need to chance to a worse apartment count for this trope.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Dec 13th 2022 at 7:39:50 AM

I'm inclined to agree, they have to be emphatically rich and emphatically poor, or at least with the narrative underlining the difference, for that trope, not just going down a grade.

There is an entry on Noble Confederate Soldier for Firefly, but that show isn't about the Civil War. Whedon took inspiration from the period, but he never said it was meant to be a direct allegory or anything. (Also I would argue that the show tries not to make them noble, but fails... but that's a different matter.)

x4 I think Quincy v Hollow is an example, but the entry needs elaboration to properly explain why it's a problem, and why the Quincy Arrancar have come into existence despite this issue.

As it stands, I think the Firefly example is probably shoehorning right now. Even though the trope accurately describes certain characters, the trope's description would appear to exclude the work as written. Firefly is deliberately supposed to be a "western in space" and a futuristic Civil War-esque setting. So, while it's not about the Civil War, it's very much lifting the Civil War and transforming it into a futuristic space setting. I think it's definitely worth a discussion about whether the trope applies only to actual Civil War or whether it can apply to settings that are rooted in the Civil War as a setting concept and therefore use tropes that would otherwise be Civil War-specific, if only to confirm that such works are outside its scope.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 13th 2022 at 6:35:13 AM

Maybe try to bring up this problem in Trope talk

My two cents on the Firefly example, is that Noble Confederate Soldier is exactly the trope that Whedon was portraying (minus all the slavery and white supremacy of the real confederacy). Given that tropes are flexible, I would argue it is an example.

• Cartoon Network and Disney Channel are both very successful in Scandinavia, while Nickelodeon is almost dead-last in kids' television. It helps that the Scandinavian version of the Disney Channel is commercial-free like the original American service back in the 1980s and early 1990s. And even with Disney XD's launch, the new channel is performing better than Nick.
  • Both channels are quite popular in Portugal, though Nickelodeon does have a fanbase in there but it's only available on one provider unlike the other two.
  • In ex-Yugoslav countries Nickelodeon is more popular than CN, because it was launched on Serbian and Croatian languages before Cartoon Network did.
  • Latin America and Brazil are MAJOR Territories for the Cartoon Network brand where it has ruled as the Number One Kids Cable Network with an iron fist.

From Germans Love David Hasselhoff, the Networks section. I want to discuss this entry because the Yugoslav section actually doesnt fit the trope because in the United States (Where the channels were created and the actual status quo that should be subverted to fit the trope) Nick IS the Number One network and more popular than Cartoon Network. So it's not actually an example.

I would have removed the section but I added the latin american section 5 minutes ago and didnt want to be seen as removing the bullet because I was jealous or something.

Edited by AegisP on Dec 13th 2022 at 8:42:14 AM

Following an ATT thread about fixing some bad indentation on VideoGame.Goose Goose Duck fit an entry on Exact Time to Failure, the discussion made me realize the entry itself needed some tweaking, so bringing it here on mod suggestion.

The entry currently:

The discussion prompted me to re-write it, and I want to vet it before I post it. I re-did the entries and integrated the examples differently, but I can't make up my mind if the first bullet should be kept as it is or split. My current version:

If it helps anyone unfamiliar with the game, it's basically Among Us with waterfowl and roles like Town of Salem.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 13th 2022 at 9:32:33 AM

Twin Theme Naming: Characters.Costume Quest:

Wren and Reynold both start with an "R" sound, right?

Edit: Theme Naming: Shantae and the Seven Sirens: Half-genies:

Would all of them having Meaningful Name be a theme?

Edited by Malady on Dec 14th 2022 at 5:46:20 AM

Re: kids' channels. I'm not sure any of those count, because all the channels mentioned are quite popular/well-known in the US as well. Rereading the definition of Germans Love David Hasselhoff, it seems to be about a rather disproportionate love of something in another country—like if there was some late-night, low-budget American channel that most Americans hadn't heard of, but it was huge in another country. Currently I think the entries read "popular American thing in also popular in another country."

The wording from the previously-removed Studio Hop entry was re-added to The Other Darrin entry from Trivia.Teasing Master Takagi San:

Rather than get involved in an Edit War, I think we should discuss it here. Given that, I propose rewriting the entry to this:

Thoughts?

Edited by gjjones on Dec 14th 2022 at 11:02:50 AM

Re: The Other Darrin, I think the second version is better, as it gives some specific names of actors who've been swapped.

But I do kind of question whether wholesale cast changes, especially for voice actors as the change might be less obvious, really count for this trivia item. The definition focuses on a single change with the rest of the cast staying the same.

I've created a thread for it here.

Edited by gjjones on Dec 14th 2022 at 11:44:56 AM

Can Chuck Cunningham Syndrome apply if a character is absent from one installment in a series, but returns and goes back to being a recurring character starting with another?

Edited by JankyKong on Dec 14th 2022 at 1:58:35 PM

Is The Super Mario Bros. Movie applicable for Origins Episode if it's not in the same continuity?

The trope page appears to indicate that no

@gadiel: I think the Cartoon Network examples do count since they get much much much higher ratings than they do on the USA, nowadays CN is lucky if they get more than 350K viewers.

Is ratings-type data allowed to be included in examples? I think having real numbers would make the examples substantially stronger.

So Series.The Santa Clauses was renewed for another season, despite being billed as a miniseries. Should I remove it from the Mini Series index?

This was added to Recap.RWBYV 4 E 11 Taking Control, but it seems like trope shoehorning or misuse to me. Tyrian is a Practically Joker Omnicidal Maniac who worships Salem as if she's a goddess. She's very much an I Control My Minions Through... villain and knows she only has to express disappointment in him to punish him. While the entry is accurate in listing the events that happened, I'm questioning whether it's an accurate use of Five Stages of Grief. If it helps, these events already form examples under the tropes Psychopathic Manchild, Villainous Breakdown and Berserker Tears.

• Five Stages of Grief: Following up with Tyrians' return to Salem to inform her of his failure to capture Ruby, he's seen talking to himself that Salem will forgive him (Denial), after hearing the news of his failure, Tyrian tries to point out that though he failed in his initial mission: he had poisoned Qrow and cites that he won't be a nuisance any longer (Bargaining). Salem unmoved by this, calmly notes her disappointment in him which reduces Tyrian to a quivering crying wreck (Depression) which draws the attention of a nearby Beowulf that tries to attack the Scorpion Faunus; only for to lash back and attack while still crying his heart out (Anger), after pummeling at the dying Beowulf he starts to laugh insanely to himself (Acceptance).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 14th 2022 at 5:27:41 AM

Seems like the five stages requires a death to be grieving, wich is absent here

There is no rule against putting the ratings data but I think TV Tropes prefers it if we just state it and have people correct it if its wrong instead of actually putting it in the example...

Literature.The Ugly Empress: Is this overlapping with Body Surf, or is this just one or the other?

• Reincarnated as the Opposite Sex: Teng Yun, a man, is executed and wakes up in the body of Empress Feng, a woman.

Edited by Malady on Dec 14th 2022 at 8:06:36 AM