Is this an example?

Yeah, that seems too speculative.

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Seconded as it seems like a stretch to me too.

Brother–Sister Incest appears to indicate a consensual relationship. I suggest changing the example to something like The Peeping Tom.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Nov 15th 2022 at 6:53:04 AM

Valdo

Found this example in Video Games.

• Curiously inverted in Fallout: New Vegas with Veronica Santiago. She's a Brotherhood Scribe who isn't afraid to question the Brotherhood's outdated beliefs, admits to having fallen in love with another woman once, and can floor a deathclaw with her power fist. Her greatest wish is... to wear a dress because she wants to look good and sexy for once. She's genuinely grateful if you get her one, and if you find a good dress, she squeals like a schoolgirl. Then she goes back to pummeling the opposition.

Aside from the "curiously" part, which is Weasel Words, I'm not sure whether this counts as an inversion or not. Thoughts?

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Yeah, no, i don't think it counts. Veronica Santiago is just a Tomboy with a Girly Streak

Valdo

Seconded. Plus, it doesn't involve a girl being feminine and weak, which is part of the trope.

Is this Hidden Depths or Out-of-Character Moment?

• The Great Ace Attorney: When investigating the ship's log, the surprising handwriting of presumably the sailor guarding the area where it's located:
  Susato: The writing is so neat and precise!
  [...]
  Ryunosuke: You wouldn't expect a rough and ready sailor to have such beautiful handwriting.
  Sailor: .........
  Ryunosuke: And...nothing. No reaction at all.
  I thought he might appreciate the compliment.
  Susato: I'm not sure that 'rough-and-ready' is much of a compliment, Naruhado-san. Even to a sailor.

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...Neither?

If it's either, I can't tell. Quotes aren't context.

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From the main page of Absolute Trust:

• Fantastic Racism: As a whole, and understandably, people are slow to trust Fire Nationals and firebenders.
  • Most people give Alec a chance even after finding out he's a firebender, by virtue of him traveling with the Avatar. The only one who doesn't is Jet, whose blind hatred costs him his life.

So, according to this two example, only one person (Jet) display true hatred to Fire Nationals and firebenders, the rest appears to be just cautious.

What do you think?

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Nov 15th 2022 at 10:29:27 AM

Valdo

I think it's Hidden Depths because the entry seems to be trying to say it's surprising that this character has awesome handwriting. Plus, part of Out-of-Character Moment has the character act out-of-character to move the plot along. However, that doesn't seem to be part of this particular situation.

Granted, I feel that entry needs a rewrite; I agree with that quotes are not context.

EDIT: Adding arrows.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Nov 15th 2022 at 8:31:08 AM

I think it's a badly indented mess for one. But the larger point is that if it portrayed in universe that people are distrusting of Firebenders, then it doesn't matter if a few people here and there do trust them, the prejudice exists and is therefore an example of the trope.

Edited by laserviking42 on Nov 15th 2022 at 11:32:23 AM

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I would like to point up that in this fanfic, the fire nation has been in the world with the entire world for 100 years. This means that most people have never spoken to a citizen of the Fire Nation, and most like only seen their military forces. The show also states that deserter from the fire nation are very rare.

Edit: I understand. I will let the example, but fix the indented by just joining the two examples.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Nov 16th 2022 at 12:24:28 PM

Valdo

- Thanks! Added. Had to go with a wordier way of saying "presumed writer is the Sailor".

Edited by Malady on Nov 15th 2022 at 9:00:52 AM

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Okay, but the rarity has little to do with Fantastic Racism. If I write a story in which humans tell stories of how red dragons destroyed the ancient civilizations, it doesn't really matter if red dragons are running or not. Even if no one has seen one in centuries, the prejudice would still be there.

Generally with Fantastic Racism, it's baked in to the world building, so it should be clear that the racism exists in the world, no matter how present the race is.

Edited by laserviking42 on Nov 15th 2022 at 12:12:27 PM

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Found this example in Live-Action Films:

• 22 July: Viljar ends up being shot multiple times at the Utoya summer camp, has to recover from said gunshot wounds, and ends up sharing to the court for his experience at the camp.

The above example has no context on how Viljar is The Cutie. Cut?

Graffiti Wall

Protip, if you use a period instead of a slash in the Wiki Word, you get BreakTheCutie.Live Action Films, which is easier for others to see what trope we're talking about.

Also yes, without context on how the character is The Cutie, the example isn't valid.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip.

Graffiti Wall

(x5) No problem.

(x3) I agree it lacks context for "the Cutie" part and it should be removed.

In Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World after bonding with and falling mutually in love, Michio and his slave Roxanne acquire Sherry, a dwarf girl slave. Throughout their first day together Michio notices subtle instances of Roxanne's discomfort but doesn't understand it is her fear of being usurped as the top slave/wife. He always corrects his behavior before anything is said until he kisses Sherry first before they go to bed, as he had ordered Roxanne to do when they were first together. He notices the palpable change in Roxanne's posture broiling to almost Tranquil Fury. She only calms down when Michio puts together the excuse he is kissing Sherry first because he wants Roxanne's lips to be the last he kisses before sleeping. Roxanne happily accepts this logic and is calmed down.

I am debating whether this is a Fee Fi Faux Pas for his general actions in missing the tells, Innocently Insensitive for not understanding some of the slave-harem politics and Roxanne's concerns, or Cross-Cultural Kerfluffle for again not knowing about slave-harem politics and how his actions would be seen to Roxanne.

Given the description of Tyke-Bomb, can there be heroic Tykebombs? The example I'm thinking of is from Make the Exorcist Fall in Love.

• Tyke-Bomb: Father was raised by the clergy to be the ultimate weapon against Satan, memorizing the verses of the Old Testament by heart to weaponize God's miracles against the demons of Hell. This training included by stripped down to his underwear and whipped into compliance by the priest who referred to him as a "thing" to be used against Satan. While this made Father devoted to the mission of exorcizing Satan, it's also left him with severe psychological issues from this and being forced to face one Eldritch Abomination after another.

Edited by reppuzan on Nov 16th 2022 at 7:46:24 AM

I found this on TragicVillain.Live Action TV in the House of the Dragon tree:

• Queen Rhaenyra herself is still The Hero of the story, but like the source material, she does have a dark side. Unlike the novel, she is shown to have suffered countless losses and tragedies over the couse of the first season (including the loss of her mother, the stillbirth of her only daughter, the death of her beloved father, her brother and his mother (a former friend) usurping the throne) which turned her from a proud and well-intentioned princess into a ruthless warrior queen who will stop at nothing to ensure her throne is secured. Even so, she wanted to rule with peace and respect to honor her father, but the Accidental Murder of her young son Lucerys destroyed any notion of that and she fully resolved to war afterwards.

So the entry flat out mentions that she is not the villain and is infact the hero of the story. So how can she be a Tragic Villain?

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(x3) I feel it's Innocently Insensitive because he offended her yet didn't intend to and that's a Sub-Trope of Fee Fi Faux Pas. It also doesn't sound like Cross-Cultural Kerfluffle because it doesn't involve something being seen as fine in one country, yet offensive in another.

I believe a Tyke Bomb can be heroic (I'm not counting if the character has a Heel–Face Turn), however the example would need to be inverted because the character serving a baddie is a key part of it.

That isn't an example in my opinion because she's a heroine and not a villainess, so I'd cut that.

Okay in that case, I removed it.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 16th 2022 at 11:54:17 AM

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I think being a tykebomb is one of those "usually villainous but some heroic examples exist" tropes as raising a kid to be a weapon is pretty dubious. That seems like a straight example since it's made clear it's still abusive even if in the name of good.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 16th 2022 at 12:27:36 PM

Neutral in Name Only is "an allegedly neutral party is aligned to one side". Can they be own side? I want to add several examples where the seemingly pacifistic third faction is secretly running War for Fun and Profit, and it's the closest trope that fits.

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