Is this an example?

On Alien under Common Knowledge

• "Lambert is transgender." This theory is based on a piece of fluff text (which may not have been meant as canon in the first place) from her profile in the sequel stating she had a sex change as a baby, but the only context it gives is that there may be "suppressed trauma related to gender alteration", which makes it sound more like a botched circumcision like David Reimer rather than anything close to the modern conception of gender identity. Furthermore, the notion of Lambert being transgender wasn't intended while making the first film since it conflicts with another set of profiles created by Ridley Scott himself that lists all the crew as either "Male [Natural]" or "Female [Natural]", implying transgender people are common in the future but that Lambert isn't one of them.

First,that line says "no indication of suppressed trauma related to gender alteration" and it doesn't say the sex change was at birth, just saying she was Despin Convert at birth. This just seems like an excuse to claim a character isn't trans, can I just cut this?

Reposting from the previous page so it doesn't get lost:

From Recap.Fairy Tail Sun Village Arc:

• Karmic Butt-Monkey: As payback for her vile actions against Lucy, Milliana, and Kagura, Minerva's played as something of a pushover when Erza accidentally rips off her skirt during their rematch, and again when she falls victim to her guildmate's de-aging spell due to Power Incontinence.

Does this example count?

Edited by gjjones on Jan 23rd 2024 at 3:04:41 PM

I didn't get a response to this.

id say rework that entry to Trans Audience Interpritation

delete

It's not an audience interpretation though, the text explicitly says "Male to female" it's more an audience interpretation to say she's not trans

^ If all the information presented is accurate, it sounds like there is conflicting information on whether the character is trans. I think the example is fine, although I'm not familiar with the work so there might be other context I'm missing.

Edited by IronAnimation on Jan 23rd 2024 at 11:46:36 AM

Found this on Characters.Adventure Time Multiverse (Fionna)

• Ms. Fanservice: And how! In her first appearence, Fionna takes off her pants revealing her panties. Later on, she takes off her shirt and spends a good chunk of the 2nd half of the miniseries in just her shorts and sports bra.

Speaking as someone who watched the show, Fionna doesn't seem like one. She does wear revealing outfit but the cartoony style doesn't make her "sexy" and there are no Male Gaze shots of her body. She's just a curvy cartoon character. Would like more thoughts because my mind doesn't register her as sexy.

The "and how" clause is Word Cruft and should be removed. I can't speak to the rest of the example.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 23rd 2024 at 11:15:09 AM

Fanservice tropes at this point have gone through so much trope decay I don't think it's worth trying to fight to limit it to examples where the camera emphasizes the character sexually. I think the example should be toned down, and it mentioned that the camera doesn't really emphasize her body. But I think listing her is fine because the work does think she's beautiful.

Edited by IronAnimation on Jan 23rd 2024 at 8:50:11 AM

That feels defeatist. Ms. Fanservice registers differently to me than just any character who's treated as attractive in the narrative.

Does Fandom Rivalry have to be caused by the work themselves or can it also have offscreen drama listed? For example, Lady Emily has accused Quinton Reviews, and more recently Chuggaaconroy of sexual harassment. One glance on Social Media shows devoted fans of both are keen to call Emily a liar or manipulator (even after Chugga confessed to it in his case) and pledge their support for Quinton and Chugga respectively.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Jan 24th 2024 at 9:52:29 AM

In France, the film poster for Dream Scenario makes it look like a straight comedy.

So this might count as an example of Covers Always Lie, but in the context of a localization. So is this an example?

yup, as long as it specifies which poster its talking about

Agreed. All countries are treated equally for the purposes of examples like that.

Found these on Characters.Yakuza Like A Dragon The Heroes Of Tomorrow

• Jerkass Has a Point: While grabbing Ichiban by the collar and telling him to "shut the fuck up" was a bit much, he was completely in the right to chew him out for giving their fellow homeless false hope and acting like their problems are so easy to fix, and Ichiban sheepishly apologises once Nanba lays out just how dire their situation really is.

In my entire playthrough of LAD, I never thought Nanba was a jackass and this feels more like Brutal Honesty than anything. Would like more opinions.

• "The Reason You Suck" Speech: He gives one to Ichiban after he's had just about enough of the latter's inability to understand what it means to be homeless. However, it's actually inverted overall, as while Nanba calls out Ichiban for his naivety, the speech at its core is him standing up for his fellow homeless, making it more of a "Reason We Don't Suck" speech.
  Nanba: Do you seriously think we're all here because we want to be?!
  Ichiban: Nah, you said everyone has their reasons and I get that, man. But you still gotta try, don't you?! Better than living like this! A little effort can land you a job, even if you have a criminal record!
  Nanba: You don't know what the hell you're talking about!
  Ichiban: Why not?
  Nanba: First of all, only a few of us have criminal records. Most of us didn't do anything wrong.
  Ichiban: Then why...?
  Nanba: For some, all they did was co-sign a bad loan. Others worked hard for their families, who abandoned them when they couldn't pay the bills. Nobody lives this way by choice. This isn't somewhere you choose to be, it's somewhere you end up. Do you know what that's like? To end up that broken?
  Ichiban: ...
  Nanba: And some of us have families who are out there looking for us. Parents and kids hoping we'll come back. And for as much as some of us would love to go back, we can't! Not when we're still so broken! And you think you can fix that with a quick trip to Hello Work? They get back on the grid, then all the problems and enemies from their old lives are gonna pop right back up. Did you ever think of that?! You think we're just too lazy to work? We all want a job and a living, man. But we can't just erase all the things that keep us from having them! So it might not look like much to you, but they're trying!

I'm unsure of this one tbh.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 24th 2024 at 7:52:22 PM

@ 30461: I think it's hard because in those fandoms, the fandom is for the person themself and their content primarily involves their public persona, but examples like that can become quite controversial.

After finishing watch Hilda, I’ve been thinking about adding an Arc Villain trope there

Season 1: Marras

Season 2: Erik Ahlberg and Two-Headed Troll

Movie: Trundle, aka the Mountain King, while Erik serves as The Heavy

Season 3: The Fairy Entity Am I right with this trope?

Edited by NicMasterTrope on Jan 25th 2024 at 11:16:41 PM

We can't tell as these have zero context.

Can you explain how should I drive my point then?

See Zero-Context Example. Describe the characters to someone who has never seen the show. For each character, write 1-3 sentence paragraphs regarding their status in series, so others (and you) can summize from the text given if they are Arc Villain or not.

Thank you

Could I get a reply to this, please?

PS I removed entries from the earlier post.

Other opinions on here?

Id say based on the usual standards of the trope Hulk and maybe Thanos are the only ones who qualify

Can you use Once More, with Clarity to describe a case where something that had previously been basically a Noodle Incident gets a fuller explanation later in the work?