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YMMV: Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire

YMMVs in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire

  • Anticlimax Boss:
    • One of the more noted weakness of this set of games is that both the rival (Brendan/May, who doesn't fully evolve his/her starter and is the only one who can't be battled infinitely) and the Aqua/Magma Leaders (who only use a mere three Pokémon, all of them being ones that every one of their grunts use) are really pathetic compared to the rivals and Leaders in the rest of the series.
    • Wallace as the Champion in Emerald is thought of as being this due to falling to Poor, Predictable Rock unlike Steven, who uses a diverse typing of Pokémon. Steven does appear as a much harder Bonus Boss later, though.
  • Awesome Music: Those trumpets. Those French horns! That timpani!
  • Breather Boss:
    • Tate and Liza are fairly easy in Ruby and Sapphire. They only having two fairly weak Pokémon between them that are easily taken down by Surf, which is required to get to their Gym in the first place.
    • Wallace as a Gym Leader in Ruby and Sapphire and his replacement in Emerald, Juan. Their Pokémon are very unimpressive (they both lead with a Luvdisc and the rest of their team bar Milotic/Kingdra are pretty mediocre Mons) and the TM attack all of their Pokémon know is relatively weak with only 60 base power. By the time they are fought the player will more than likely have a dedicated Water-killer due to the amount of Surfing you need to do in the late-game and constantly dealing with Team Aqua up to that point in Sapphire and Emerald. Alternatively, the player can use a Pokémon with Calm Mind (like Gardevoir or Kadabra/Alakazam) to set-up Status Buffs in front of Luvdisc without being threatened and just sweep the rest of their teams with boosted STAB attacks.
  • Casual-Competitive Conflict: Smogon launching in 2004 didn't help matters in this area.
  • Critical Dissonance: Believe it or not, the original Ruby and Sapphire received very positive reviews just upon release. The fandom was much more polarized for many reasons, and still is to a great extent.
  • Demonic Spiders:
    • Although not hard to run away from, Whismur can do a lot of damage with Uproar. If you're not careful, it can result in a couple Pokémon dy-fainting.
    • Trapinch usually have Arena Trap, which means you can't switch out or run unless your active Pokémon's a Flying-type or has Levitate. The Pokémon you open with is the Pokémon that lives or faints. If you're just trying to pass through the desert, and you weren't really thinking about your lead Pokemon, and you come across a Trapinch...
  • Disappointing Last Level: The last quarter of the game requires an immense amount of Surfing. Hope you like Tentacool and Wingull.
    • Best Level Ever: The last quarter of the game does also includes diving sections and Scenery Porn laden cities like Sootopolis and Mossdeep, which remain fan favorites. They just happen to be broken up by monotonous surfing.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Sure, Archie and Maxie were some of the least openly-evil villain bosses to begin with, but some fans go even further and remove any traces of responsibility for their crimes from them. And then there's their underlings, who get this treatment as well despite being Psycho Supporters or Jerkasses.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
  • Evil Is Sexy: Archie, Maxie, and their Dragons.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: Skitty and Wailord.
  • Fashion-Victim Villain: The Team Magma Grunts with their horned hoods.
  • Foe Yay:
    • Shelly seems to flirt with you no matter what your gender.
    • Maxie with Archie, as well as the player in Emerald.
    • Seviper and Zangoose can breed, despite being enemies.
  • Game Breaker: In Emerald (unlike later third version games), Rayquaza needs only be encountered, not fought, to progress the storyline. If the player goes back to Sky Pillar however, the mascot is still there... and he's still rocking Level 70. To repeat: a level 70 Dragon-type Legendary Pokémon, before the Hall of Fame, when the Elite Four is packing Pokémon below level 60, and Steel-type professional Steven Stone is no longer Champion. Sayonara!
  • Goddamned Bats:
    • All of the enemies in the desert in Route 111 can be this, especially when combined with the perpetual sandstorm in that area and the fact that all of them have accuracy-reducing moves.
      • Sandshrew have high Defense and an evasion boost in the sandstorm, they can increase both advantages, and they can poison your Pokémon. If you aren't fielding a Pokémon immune to the sandstorm damage, they can go from this trope to outright Demonic Spiders after a Sand Attack or two.
      • Baltoy frequently Selfdestruct as the first move in combat, and if that fails, they may attempt to confuse your Pokémon.
      • Cacnea have the same evasion boost as Sandshrew in a sandstorm (as well as Sand Attack) and can pile Leech Seed on that.
      • Trapinch are the least offensive, but they can become this with their Arena Trap Ability if you're trying to flee the area and limp back to a place to heal.
    • And of course, Zubat/Golbat and Tentacool/Tentacruel return to fulfill their role as Goddamn Bats for caves and for surfing. Wingull and Pelipper make their debut as the worst of both worlds — speedy confusion-spammers on the sea — in a game that involves a lot of surfing.
  • Growing the Beard:
    • One feature that Ruby and Sapphire introduced that all the other main games following it has to the point of being indispensable is the menu-sprite based box system. In previous games, the box system was very clunky: when your box was full, you couldn't catch any new Pokémon until you physically changed the box yourself. Ruby and Sapphire completely overhauled the way boxed Pokémon were represented. You can now see all the Pokémon in a given box, arrange them however you want to, and even change the wallpaper to however you want it to look. At least three different Pokémon "games" (more like applications) are based solely on storing Pokémon in this manner (Pokémon Box: Ruby and Sapphire, My Pokémon Ranch and Pokémon Bank).
    • The introduction of Abilities (and, to a lesser extent, Natures) added a new layer of depth to battling and let many Pokémon differentiate themselves from those that previously overshadowed them and/or take a level in badass.
  • Hell Is That Noise: The "Drought" and "Heavy Rain" songs are pretty creepy.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • One trainer in the Trick House tells you about how much she likes hacking and slashing away. After you defeat her, she asks "Why are you so serious?"
    • The Berserk Gene item from Generation II was often considered bottom tier due to its side effect of causing confusion along with the Attack boost it gives. It would appear it would have some use in Pokémon with the ability Own Tempo, but one, no Pokémon that had the ability had a Attack stat that could benefit from the boost until Lickilicky and Purugly the next Generation and two, Berserk Gene is no longer an existing item this game onwards.
    • The "Hoenn Confirmed!" meme becomes one after the announcement of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
  • Idiot Plot: Maxie and Archie stealing the wrong-colored orbs can be considered this for the sake of the player getting the mascot legendary.
  • It's the Same, so It Sucks: Nothing has changed for Dark and Steel-types in this generation; Dark-type moves are assigned to Special Attack but most of them are physically inclined while any Steel-types that don't have claws, tail or wings are screwed in the attack department. It wasn't until the next generation that those two types finally show their true strength with the Physical/Special split and more reliable STAB moves for them.
  • Junk Rare:
    • Chimecho, found only in one area (Mt. Pyre) with a measly 2% encounter rate. Close to completely useless in battle.
    • Skitty as well, thanks to it also having a low encounter rate and a mediocre learned movelist.
    • Nosepass, despite its humorous appearance. You just have to get lucky in finding one by smashing rocks in Dewford Cave, and it has rather poor Attack, more than likely making you think, "THIS is the Pokemon I had difficulty with in Rustboro?" Luckily, Gen IV was kinder to it by giving it an evolution in Probopass.
    • Suverted with Luvdisc note . It's by far the worst Water Pokemon of the game, with terrible stats except speed. If this doesn't convince you, Smogon will. However, even if it's not any good for use in battle, it does have another use - Hunting them down and using either Thief or Covet on them is an excellent method of obtaining Heart Scales when you need them!
  • Love It or Hate It:
    • The Hoenn games rapidly went from near-universally hated to something closer to this. To sum it up, it's mainly players who can't stand the removal of several beloved elements from Gen II, versus those who think the many innovations of this Gen more-than make up for it.
    • The music. Some players feel these games still have some of the most epic tracks in the entire series, while others are annoyed by the overabundance of trumpets, since the GBA had better sound capabilities that just "trumpet sounds". And there are others who think that both are true.
  • Memetic Badass:
    • Aggron, due to this poster. (Warning: Contains Cluster F Bombs)
      • Ironically, the poster sings Aggron's praises for having moves it doesn't get until Generation IV.
      • Now there's an updated version that also includes its Generation V capabilities.
    • Steven Stone, as the Final Boss, naturally fell into this; when Emerald came out and he was replaced by Wallace, Steven was generally found to be the more difficult of the two—thanks mainly to having a more diverse team—and this was compounded.
  • Memetic Molester:
    • Maxie, in certain fandom circles.
    • "Hohoho! I like kid TRAINERS! Let's have a good one!" note 
    • The Trick Master. Each time you enter the Trick House (assuming a new challenge is available), you're told that you're being watched, and have to find his hiding place. The large number of trainers apparently lost and trapped in the puzzles doesn't help.
  • Memetic Mutation:
  • Memetic Sex God:
    • Flannery is an extremely popular target for the fandom's sexual desires. On top of having a pretty alluring outfit, she also has an adorably awkward personality that has endeared her to many a player.
    • The Furry Fandom, meanwhile, gets Gardevoir (and to a lesser extent, Kirlia); they're extremely feminine humanoids and the Pokédex describes them as very loyal to their trainers. The result is that, not only do the furries latch onto them for their anthropomorphism, but they're also granted enough appeal to give them even admirers from outside the furry fandom.
  • Misblamed: The one thing fans seem to remember to blame GameFreak for rather than Nintendo in the Pokémon games is the inability to transfer Pokémon from the first two generations' games to Ruby and Sapphire onward. However, this is — coincidentally enough — the one complaint that the company had no control over — the Game Boy Advance wouldn't allow interaction with the Game Boy and Game Boy Color games at all, even if they wanted to make it possible (which it probably would have been considering every other generation at least allows transfers from the old games to the new ones).
  • Older Than They Think: Species aside, Milotic is the first Shout-Out to The Ugly Duckling, long before Ducklett/Swanna.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Wallace as the Champion. Not only is he an Anti-Climax Boss, he's the Water-type Champion in the Generation infamous for the amount of Water the lategame contains and comes after an evil team based around them and a Water-type Gym Leader.
  • The Scrappy:
    • Wingull joins Tentacool and Zubat in the ranks of Pokémon Scrappies due to being Goddamn Bats.
    • Luvdisc and Spinda.
    • Scott from Emerald, due to his tendencies to appear or contact you at odd times.
    • Masquerain, for evolving from the uniquely-typed Surskit and then turning into yet another Bug/Flying type.
    • Aqua and Magma were considered poor replacements for Team Rocket and are still seen as lackluster compared to the other villain teams. While the consequences for both team's plans were certainly more dangerous than Team Rocket's, the plans themselves were rather stupid. They also had the least variety in their Pokemon teams, using only the Zubat, Poochyena, and Numel (Magma)/Carvanha (Aqua) lines.
  • Scrappy Mechanic:
    • The fishing mechanic as a whole was much more needlessly complicated than in the other generations:
      • Previously and after, you would cast your line and wait a few seconds and either get a bite or don't. In this generation, there's a needlessly long series of button pushes that literally amounts to "Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite!"
      • The Old Rod makes you go through this timing check only once per attempt. The Good Rod increases this to a max of three checks, and the Super Rod takes it all the way to a max of six checks. Have fun fishing with the Super Rod for that 15% chance of a Horsea!
      • There are several routes where using the Super Rod reduces the types of Pokémon you can catch compared to the Good Rod.
    • Berry farming could be aggravating, since it lacked any means of finding where you planted your berries. Certain Berries (mostly the rare ones) also required that you must water the Berry plant during each stage of growth (not multiple watering during one specific growth stage); otherwise, your Berry yield when you harvest the plant will be exactly what you started with: one Berry.
    • Puzzles involving steering the difficult-to-control Mach Bike.
    • The Bicycle concept in itself. Switching Bikes requires the player to travel to Rydel's Cycles in Mauville City each time the player wishes to switch, as he/she is only allowed to take one kind of Bike (Mach Bike or Acro Bike) out at a time. Several puzzles also require a specific kind of Bike — the Mach Bike is used to navigate across muddy slopes and cracked tiles, while the Acro Bike is needed to traverse distinctive white rails and rocky platforms. Hoenn's Safari Zone is probably one of the best examples — one area requires the Mach Bike, while another requires the Acro Bike, meaning that the player can only visit one of them during a Safari Zone session. For the next games, they essentially combined the two bikes into one by having two speed settings.
  • That One Attack: Flannery's Torkoal knows Attract, which will cause the target to not do anything 50% of the time if they are of the opposite gender. Since Torkoal is naturally bulky it'll almost always be able to get one off and proceed to elongate the battle while you try to hit it unless you brought a female or genderless Rock-/Ground-/Water-type. Good luck if you wanted to use Mudkip since they have a gender ratio of 7 males to 1 female!
  • That One Boss: Depending on the version you play some significant NPCs that can be challenged can gain and lose this status.
    • Steven as the Bonus Boss in Emerald. Like Red before him, his Pokémon are in their seventies. While he is not hated for this, some players who are turned off by the nightmarish level curvenote  do not even bother challenging him.
    • In Ruby/Sapphire, Tate and Liza only fight with Solrock and Lunatone, and they can get decimated by Surf easily (the very HM that is needed to access their gym in the first place). Emerald gives them Xatu and Claydol in addition to their signature Pokémon. The latter is especially difficult to break through due to its Stone Wall nature and the entire team can buff their Sp. Attack & Def. with Calm Mind, making this fight a frustration to most players.
    • Norman in Ruby/Sapphire has two Slakings, who despite the hindering ability is tough to take down due to only having one weakness (Fighting) which doesn't really help due to their high Defense stat. Emerald tones down Norman's team by giving him only one Slaking, but he is still a tough opponent nonetheless.
      • Subverted if you caught a Wingull and evolved it into Pelipper, which naturally learns Protect and lets it exploit the Slakings' Truant ability.
  • That One Sidequest:
    • Finding Feebas and evolving it into Milotic. You can read the full summary here, but in short, it involves hours and hours of systematic searching, endless fishing, finding/breeding a Feebas with the right nature once you've found a Feebas tile, and lots of Berry farming and Pokéblock making. At least it's easier than in Generation IV where the Feebas tiles get scrambled every day rather than by something reasonably under your control.
    • Obtaining a Lucky Egg in this generation. It's a hold item that boosts EXP gained by 50%, making leveling much easier. However, it's only held by wild Chansey. While you could use Thief to steal the item in other generations, In this generation Chansey only appears in the FR/LG Safari Zone, meaning that you have to actually catch the Chansey. They're rare, hard to catch, quick to flee, and only have a 5% chance of actually holding the Lucky Egg, making it nothing but a Luck-Based Mission. Most players didn't even bother.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: When originally released, there was no hint of a Generation I remake, meaning that around 184 Pokémon were completely absent from the games. The only hint that they would return was their isolated data, which usually indicates event Pokémon (a very beloved game mechanic). That, combined with a number of expies for the missing Pokémon, replacements for Team Rocket, no way to return to Kanto or Johto, minimal time-based events, and an overall similar structure to Generation I led many a fan to think the release of Ruby/Sapphire was a franchise reboot, and said fans were not happy.
  • Tough Act to Follow: Ruby and Sapphire had the dubious honor of following up on Gold and Silver. Gold and Silver were highly regarded as an Even Better Sequel, giving players more Pokémon, a longer game, and introducing a number of new mechanics to the series like friendly evolution, day-night cycles, and breeding. Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire in comparison got rid of the (visible aspects of the) day-night cycle, was a shorter game, and introduced a slew of Scrappy Mechanics.
  • Unconventional Learning Experience: Obtaining the Regis requires the player to learn some Braille.
  • Unfortunate Character Design: Castform's very unfortunate "cloud".
  • Viewer Gender Confusion:
    • Wally's Gardevoir is male and always is a male. It's in the data.
      • Subverted in the remake, as he shown in promo art with a Mega-Gallade, a male exclusive evolution for Ralts
    • Maxie. His English Gender-Blender Name doesn't help matters.
    • Tabitha is actually male. That's even more confusing than Maxie. The remakes give him a more unambiguously male design, though.
    • Mossdeep Gym Leader Tate has been mistaken for being a girl by many fans. It doesn't help that he looks almost exactly like his sister, Liza.
  • Vindicated by History: Most fans these days appreciate the games and Game Freak for understandably changing the often slapdash code of the previous generations into something more manageable, while introducing new mechanics that improved battles. Thankfully, many fans rejoiced when the news came that remakes are in the process of being made, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

YMMVs in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

  • Base Breaker:
    • Mega Sableye. People can't decide on whether or not its design is good and if giving it a Mega was a good idea due to it losing Prankster (the only reason to use a Sableye in the first place) upon Mega Evolving.
    • Mega Salamence. On one hand, people love how its wings have combined into a dual-function glider/blade and are happy the dragon can come back after the Fairy-type nerfed it (complete with Aerilate giving it usable Flying-type STAB moves). Others dislike the fact another pseudo-legendary got a Mega Evolution and feel it will be overpowered in addition to its bizarre, frisbee-like design. For a short time, its apparent loss or atrophying of its front limbs was also a matter of debate, although a trailer now clearly shows that its forelegs are still full-size and it tucks them inside its armor.
    • Mega Slowbro. Some think it has an unbelievably stupid design, while others think the dopey appearance is perfectly fitting for Slowbro.
  • Broken Base:
    • Nearly all of the redesigns have caused debates on whether they're better, worse, or as good as the original. For example:
      • Team Aqua: Are their newly found skin-tone and their new outfits/designs awesome looking and befitting of their Pirate-like nature, or are they too garish, outlandish, and silly? Similarly, what of Archie's design? Does he look better now or before?
      • Team Magma: Are their more subdued outfits a good way to contrast Team Aqua's looks? Or are they too subdued to the point that they come off as boring? Are the Admin's designs interesting and refreshing, or do they take you out of it, especially Tabitha's? Similarly, what of Maxie's design? Does he look better now or before?
      • The Magma Grunts themselves don't help matters when in the original, they look laid back but decently menacing, while in the remakes they look like they're trying too hard to be menacing and instead look like they came from the Satsuki Kiryuuin School of Perpetual Frowning.
      • Brendan and May: Do their new, more athletic clothes come off as more region appropriate? Or do they just look all wrong? Does May look too young/too much like Serena/Shauna? Is Brendan's shirt too tight? Hair too visible and brown? Skin too tanned? Nose too invisible?
    • The games' release date in Europe (one week behind the rest of the world), and lack of explanation as to why have been a source of large amounts of controversy amongst the fanbase, especially given how much they promoted the simultaneous worldwide release of X and Y.
  • Fountain of Memes:
    • Mega Swampert's super buff appearance has been subject to all kinds of memes, such as parodies of online "get buff quick" ads. It also gets paired up with Ike and Knuckles.
    • Mega Slowbro almost immediately spawned tons of jokes concerning its appearance. Some of the more popular ones compare it to a spinning top (or a Beyblade) or poking fun at how it shouldn't be able to keep itself upright.
  • Friendly Fandoms: With Sonic Boom and Fire Emblem in that the latest installments feature their characters getting Testosterone Poisoning.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Some people have noticed how much the new female Team Magma grunt looks like Dawn.
    • Steven Stone is an avid collector of stones and rocks. Doesn't seem that interesting of a fact in the original, but in the remakes we finally get to know more stones he's researching- Mega Stones.
  • Memetic Badass: Mega Swampert may have skipped leg day, but he is already everybody's "bruh".
  • Memetic Mutation:
  • Unfortunate Character Design:

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