History YMMV / PokemonRubyAndSapphire

20th Feb '18 3:15:52 AM OrangenChan
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*** Pike Queen Lucy, of the Battle Pike, is remembered for not only having one of the most...uh...[[DistractedByTheSexy 'unique']] character designs, but was one of the most favorable anime characters to ship with Brock, as she was one of the few who actually fell for Brock in the anime. She somehow 'camoed' (as a NPC you can talk to in the Battle Maison) in the remakes.
*** Pyramid King Brandon, of the Battle Pyramid, is a fan-favorite anime character due to his personality and the fact that he finds (and owns) ancient Legendary Pokemon, and is a friend to them. Like Lucy, Brandon made ''somewhat'' of a cameo in the remakes, but as the main star of an 'ancient discovery' show ([[spoiler:that only can be accessed with the Volcanion event]]).
*** Tower Maiden Anabel, of the Battle Tower, may be hated by some for her jerk-like actions to the player, but she was another anime character that was appreciated by anime fans. On top of that, she returns in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' and [[spoiler:its revealed that ''Emerald'''s version of Anabel is the one who appears in ''Sun'' and ''Moon''.]]

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*** Pike Queen Lucy, of the Battle Pike, is remembered for not only having one of the most...uh...[[DistractedByTheSexy 'unique']] unique]] character designs, but was one of the most favorable anime characters to ship with Brock, as she was one of the few who actually fell for Brock in the anime. She somehow 'camoed' got a very small cameo (as a NPC you can talk to in the Battle Maison) in the remakes.
*** Pyramid King Brandon, of the Battle Pyramid, is a fan-favorite anime character due to his personality and the fact that he finds (and owns) ancient Legendary Pokemon, and is a friend to them. Like Lucy, Brandon made ''somewhat'' of a cameo in the remakes, but as the main star of an 'ancient discovery' "ancient discovery" show ([[spoiler:that only can be accessed with the Volcanion event]]).
*** Tower Maiden Anabel, of the Battle Tower, may be hated by some for her jerk-like actions to the player, but she was another anime character that was appreciated by anime fans. On top of that, she returns in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' and [[spoiler:its [[spoiler:it's revealed that ''Emerald'''s ''Emerald''[='=]s version of Anabel is the one who appears in ''Sun'' and ''Moon''.]]



* {{Fanon}}: Phoebe is originally from the [[VideoGame/PokemonSunandMoon Alola region]].

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* {{Fanon}}: Many fans think that Phoebe is originally from the [[VideoGame/PokemonSunandMoon Alola region]].region]], due to her being AmbiguouslyBrown and wearing an outfit with a somewhat Hawaiian flair to it.
15th Feb '18 11:24:37 AM rjd1922
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* SacredCow: ''Pokémon Emerald'' is this for some fans, to the point that one of the biggest criticisms of ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' is that they follow the original pair, and thus diverge from there instead of building on ''Emerald''.

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* SacredCow: ''Pokémon Emerald'' is this for some fans, to the point that one of the biggest criticisms of ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' is that they follow the original pair, and thus diverge from there instead of building on ''Emerald''. The exception is that most fans prefer Steven as the Champion over Wallace, for the reasons outlined in ReplacementScrappy above.



** Luvdisc and Spinda are [[JokeCharacter completely worthless in battle]] and have uninteresting designs.

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** Luvdisc and Spinda are [[JokeCharacter completely worthless in battle]] and have uninteresting designs.designs outside of Spinda's endless variety of spot patterns.
4th Feb '18 3:57:26 PM Malady
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* ThatOneBoss: While Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are [[SequelDifficultyDrop much easier than the originals]], [[OlympusMons Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre]], on the other hand, are quite easily the nastiest legendary mascots you ever have to fight in the main series of video games. Their old abilities Drought and Drizzle have been replaced with [[PowerNullifier Desolate Land and Primordial Sea]], which are basically the former abilities on steroids. This is especially the case with Primal Groudon, as its ability makes it completely immune to any and all Water-type moves, and Primal Kyogre is no slacker either as Primordial Sea makes its already powerful Origin Pulse absolutely terrifying, and will tear off huge chunks of health from even Pokémon that resist it. And if you thought that catching them would be a piece of cake like with Reshiram and Zekrom as well as Xerneas and Yveltal in [[PokemonBlackAndWhite Black/White]] and [[PokemonXAndY X/Y]]? Nope, because unlike those four, they have the typical ludicrously low Legendary catch rate of 3, which makes them nigh-uncatchable even at one health while afflicted with a status condition while you're using the best Poké Ball for the job. And even lowering their health is a chore in and of itself, as Primal Kyogre packs Aqua Ring to gradually restore its health while Primal Groudon has Rest to not only instantly restore its health completely, but also remove any status conditions as well. Many 3DS's have likely been smashed by furious players that succumb to the wrath of these ancient abominations.

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* ThatOneBoss: While Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are [[SequelDifficultyDrop much easier than the originals]], [[OlympusMons Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre]], on the other hand, are quite easily the nastiest legendary mascots you ever have to fight in the main series of video games. Their old abilities Drought and Drizzle have been replaced with [[PowerNullifier Desolate Land and Primordial Sea]], which are basically the former abilities on steroids. This is especially the case with Primal Groudon, as its ability makes it completely immune to any and all Water-type moves, and Primal Kyogre is no slacker either as Primordial Sea makes its already powerful Origin Pulse absolutely terrifying, and will tear off huge chunks of health from even Pokémon that resist it. And if you thought that catching them would be a piece of cake like with Reshiram and Zekrom as well as Xerneas and Yveltal in [[PokemonBlackAndWhite [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Black/White]] and [[PokemonXAndY [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY X/Y]]? Nope, because unlike those four, they have the typical ludicrously low Legendary catch rate of 3, which makes them nigh-uncatchable even at one health while afflicted with a status condition while you're using the best Poké Ball for the job. And even lowering their health is a chore in and of itself, as Primal Kyogre packs Aqua Ring to gradually restore its health while Primal Groudon has Rest to not only instantly restore its health completely, but also remove any status conditions as well. Many 3DS's have likely been smashed by furious players that succumb to the wrath of these ancient abominations.
31st Jan '18 7:12:32 AM rjd1922
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** Wallace as a Gym Leader in ''Ruby and Sapphire'' and his replacement in ''Emerald'', Juan. Their Pokémon are very unimpressive (they both lead with a '''Luvdisc''' and the rest of their team bar [[MightyGlacier Milotic]]/[[JackOfAllStats Kingdra]] are pretty mediocre Mons) and all their Pokemon learn Water Pulse (which is a TM move), its power is fairly low at this point.
** Wattson can be this if you bring a Ground type, due to two of his Pokemon (specifically, his Magnemite and Magneton) having a quadruple weakness to Ground.

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** Wallace as a Gym Leader in ''Ruby and Sapphire'' and his replacement in ''Emerald'', Juan. Their Pokémon are very unimpressive (they both lead with a '''Luvdisc''' and the rest of their team bar [[MightyGlacier Milotic]]/[[JackOfAllStats Kingdra]] are pretty mediocre Mons) and all their Pokemon Pokémon learn Water Pulse (which is a TM move), its power is fairly low at this point.
** Wattson can be this if you bring a Ground type, due to two of his Pokemon Pokémon (specifically, his Magnemite and Magneton) having a quadruple weakness to Ground.



* {{Misblamed}}: The one thing fans seem to remember to blame [=GameFreak=] for rather than Creator/{{Nintendo}} in the Pokémon games is the inability to transfer Pokémon from the first two generations' games to ''Ruby and Sapphire'' onward. However, this is -- coincidentally enough -- the one complaint that the company had no control over -- the UsefulNotes/GameBoyAdvance wouldn't allow interaction with the UsefulNotes/GameBoy and UsefulNotes/GameBoyColor games ''at all'', even if they wanted to make it possible.

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* {{Misblamed}}: MisBlamed: The one thing fans seem to remember to blame [=GameFreak=] Creator/GameFreak for rather than Creator/{{Nintendo}} in the Pokémon games is the inability to transfer Pokémon from the first two generations' games to ''Ruby and Sapphire'' onward. However, this is -- coincidentally enough -- the one complaint that the company had no control over -- the UsefulNotes/GameBoyAdvance wouldn't allow interaction with the UsefulNotes/GameBoy and UsefulNotes/GameBoyColor games ''at all'', even if they wanted to make it possible.
28th Jan '18 11:51:42 PM Green_lantern40
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*** Previously and after, you would cast your line and wait a few seconds and either get a bite or don't. In this generation, there's a needlessly long series of button pushes that literally amounts to "Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite!" which is made even worse by the RandomNumberGod who chooses a number between 1 and 8 to decide how many seconds you needed to wait between a bite, potentially catching you off guard if you do so much as take your eyes off the screen for even ONE second. In short, [[TruthInTelevision Fishing demanded absolute focus, thick patience, great luck, and plenty of time.]]

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*** Previously and after, you would cast your line and wait a few seconds and either get a bite or don't. In this generation, there's a needlessly long series of button pushes that literally amounts to "Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite! Oh a bite!" which is made even worse by the RandomNumberGod who chooses a number between 1 and 8 to decide how many seconds you needed to wait between a bite, potentially catching you off guard if you do so much as take your eyes off the screen for even ONE second. In short, [[TruthInTelevision Fishing fishing demanded absolute focus, thick patience, great luck, and plenty of time.]]time -- [[TruthInTelevision kinda like how fishing works in real life, shockingly enough]] -- but exactly none of that, especially of that manner and magnitude, would work well in a ''Pokémon game''.
26th Jan '18 5:30:27 AM OrangenChan
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* PopularityPolynomial: These games were received just fine at first, but they fell out of favor rapidly quickly, and Hoenn in general became ignored for many years. When the long-requested remakes were finally made, however, Hoenn, its human characters and its Pok&eacutekmon got a massive resurgence in popularity, probably even more popular than before.

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* PopularityPolynomial: These games were received just fine at first, but they fell out of favor rapidly quickly, and Hoenn in general became ignored for many years. When the long-requested remakes were finally made, however, Hoenn, its human characters and its Pok&eacutekmon Pokémon got a massive resurgence in popularity, probably even more popular than before.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zinnia]] is presented in a more sympathetic light than Archie[=/=]Maxie, but plan to get Rayquaza to stop a giant meteor that threatened the planet involved [[spoiler:becoming a grunt in Team Magma/Aqua to assist awakening Groudon[=/=]Kyogre]] and hoping that the impeding cataclysm would result in Rayquaza’s direct intervention a la 3000 years ago. Had she succeeded, this would have likely resulted in Hoenn being destroyed before Rayquaza arrived. She then ruins the plan to teleport the meteor to another dimension arguing it would endanger its inhabitants despite offering no evidence it was inhabited and there being no other option save her plan, [[spoiler:which would have failed if not for the lucky break of the player character having a MacGuffin on them]]. She caused at least as much harm as Archie[=/=]Maxie, yet doesn't even get their HeelRealization. Granted, she comes off somewhat better after ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' proved her theory about other dimensions [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight completely right.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zinnia]] is presented in a more sympathetic light than Archie[=/=]Maxie, but her plan to get Rayquaza to stop a giant meteor that threatened the planet involved [[spoiler:becoming a grunt in Team Magma/Aqua to assist awakening Groudon[=/=]Kyogre]] and hoping that the impeding cataclysm would result in Rayquaza’s direct intervention a la 3000 years ago. Had she succeeded, this would have likely resulted in Hoenn being destroyed before Rayquaza arrived. She then ruins the plan to teleport the meteor to another dimension arguing it would endanger its inhabitants despite offering no evidence it was inhabited and there being no other option save her plan, [[spoiler:which would have failed if not for the lucky break of the player character having a MacGuffin on them]]. She caused at least as much harm as Archie[=/=]Maxie, yet doesn't even get their HeelRealization. Granted, she comes off somewhat better after ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' proved her theory about other dimensions [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight completely right.]]right]].
19th Jan '18 1:07:06 PM SparkyYoungUpstart
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zinnia]] is presented in a more sympathetic light than Archie[=/=]Maxie, but plan to get Rayquaza to stop a giant meteor that threatened the planet involved [[spoiler:becoming a grunt in Team Magma/Aqua to assist awakening Groudon[=/=]Kyogre]] and hoping that the impeding cataclysm would result in Rayquaza’s direct intervention a la 3000 years ago. Had she succeeded, this would have likely resulted in Hoenn being destroyed before Rayquaza arrived. She then ruins the plan to teleport the meteor to another dimension arguing it would endanger its inhabitance despite offering no evidence it was inhabited and there being no other option save her plan, [[spoiler:which would have failed if not for the lucky break of the player character having a MacGuffin on them]]. She caused at least as much harm as Archie[=/=]Maxie, yet doesn't even get their HeelRealization. Granted, she comes off somewhat better after ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' proved her theory about other dimensions [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight completely right.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Zinnia]] is presented in a more sympathetic light than Archie[=/=]Maxie, but plan to get Rayquaza to stop a giant meteor that threatened the planet involved [[spoiler:becoming a grunt in Team Magma/Aqua to assist awakening Groudon[=/=]Kyogre]] and hoping that the impeding cataclysm would result in Rayquaza’s direct intervention a la 3000 years ago. Had she succeeded, this would have likely resulted in Hoenn being destroyed before Rayquaza arrived. She then ruins the plan to teleport the meteor to another dimension arguing it would endanger its inhabitance inhabitants despite offering no evidence it was inhabited and there being no other option save her plan, [[spoiler:which would have failed if not for the lucky break of the player character having a MacGuffin on them]]. She caused at least as much harm as Archie[=/=]Maxie, yet doesn't even get their HeelRealization. Granted, she comes off somewhat better after ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' proved her theory about other dimensions [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight completely right.]]
15th Jan '18 4:43:48 PM Lunatic0verlord
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** The Fairy Tale Girls from ''X and Y'' are back and just as disturbing as ever. One of them feels the need to warn you about the flammability of fairies, another says that her claims of being able to talk to her Pokémon are causing immense distress for her peers, and the younger member of a pair of Mysterious Sisters downright states she got her Pokémon to cast a spell on a Hex Maniac in her neighbourhood and hypnotise her into believing that they were sisters. Fortunately, in the latter case, the Hex Maniac seems to only be going along with it to humor her neighbor.

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** The Fairy Tale Girls from ''X and Y'' are back and just as disturbing as ever. One of them feels the need to warn you about the flammability of fairies, another says that her claims of being able to talk to her Pokémon are causing immense distress for her peers, and the younger member of a pair of Mysterious Sisters downright states she got her Pokémon to cast a spell on a Hex Maniac in her neighbourhood and hypnotise her into believing that they were sisters. Fortunately, in the latter case, the Hex Maniac seems to only be going along with it to humor her neighbor. Though this is likely to compensate the Hex Maniac on [[IndianBurialGround Mt. Pyre]] who says one thing that will make every X&Y Players shiver:
--> '''Hex Maniac:''' [[NightmareFuel/PokemonXAndY No, you're not the one.]]\\
11th Jan '18 4:23:32 PM Vos
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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: A lot of fans consider Poochyena and Mightyena to be dog or canine-based Pokemon and are frequently thought of as wolves, when in fact, they're possibly based on hyenas, hence why they got half of their name from the word 'hyena', are known as the "Bite Pokemon" and their appearance may have been inspired by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_hyena brown hyenas]].
10th Jan '18 12:56:02 PM Chasem
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* CounterpartComparison: Blaziken has compared to some fire-using FightingGame characters due to its Fire/Fighting typing, such as [[VideoGame/FZero Captain Falcon]] (bird motif and speed-boosting ability) and [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ken Masters]] ({{Shotoclone}} moves and a Ryu-like counterpart in Lucario).

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Blaziken has compared to some fire-using FightingGame characters due to its Fire/Fighting typing, such as [[VideoGame/FZero Captain Falcon]] (bird motif and speed-boosting ability) and [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ken Masters]] ({{Shotoclone}} moves and a Ryu-like counterpart in Lucario).Lucario).
** Within the franchise, both Blaziken and Rayquaza are compared to Charizard as {{Breakout Character}}s that achieved similar success. Some consider them {{Decomposite Character}}s of Charizard along these lines: Blaziken as the fully-evolved Fire starter, and Rayquaza for its draconic aspects.
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