- If that happens, then they should also cast Lynda Carter as Queen Hippolyta in Amazon. (They are still making that, right?)
- No. In Supergirl, she is... a president.
- Jossed: He's Barry's father, Henry.
- Aaaaand now confirmed, with a vengeance!
- Confirmed, sort of. He's appeared in Arrow, not Flash.
- Confirmed!
- Jossed - At least for Captain Cold and Heatwave since in 'Going Rogue' we see them get their respective guns. Though that might change later on in the series should the writers decide to make them metas.
- Confirmed for Mirror Master and Top.
- Barry has his first encounter with Professor Zoom.
- It looks like a Final Boss Preview to me.
- Zoom has arrived.
- It looks like a Final Boss Preview to me.
- Barry endearing himself to the police, going the opposite direction from Arrow in having Barry be a pal of the department rather than an irritation.
- The police do seem to like the guy
- The rise of The Rogues: As Barry continues to take on a Monster of the Week, slowly but surely, they start banding together to deal with the flash. The end of the season will be about them breaking out of prison, saying that they'll stick together in order to stand a chance against their scarlet speedster enemy.
- Close. In the last few episodes of the season, Captain Cold lets the Metas escape, under the agreement that they owe him one. We've already seen one team-up (Cold/Trickster/Weather Wizard) in season 2, and that will probably lead to the full Rogues
- Probably not a first season plot, but still possible: A "Flash of Two Worlds" story arc with Michael Rosenbaum as Jay Garrick.
- Michael Rosenbaum as Johnny Quick, in reference to his role as the voice of the Flash and as a certain well known bald villain who has a problem with red and blue clad aliens.
- Jay Garrick confirmed, Rosemeister, not so much.
- However, Jesse Quick appears as Harry's daughter, and Harry creates "Velocity-6", so maybe he's Johnny Quick?
- Michael Rosenbaum as Johnny Quick, in reference to his role as the voice of the Flash and as a certain well known bald villain who has a problem with red and blue clad aliens.
- Well, it's one way to get Product Placement on the show.
- [[spoilers: Confirmed... partially. The particle accelerator explosion was originally an accident, but in the original timeline happens 20 years later. Thawne/Zoom traveled back in time, got stuck, and sped up the process so he could try to return home.]]
- Exception being he was never known as Zoom until Earth 2 premiered in Season 2.
- He is immune to most alcohols.
- What exactly would her powers be then?
- Super-agility, some kind of punch-dodging "aversion field"? Hopefully not "ghost" or "owns rocket-skates", anyway.
- When we meet Captain Cold he mentions his sister but we don't meet her and he is the leader of a criminal crew (not the Rogues) and at the end the first person he goes to form the Rogues is Mick Rory (Heatwave), and neither of them are metas.
- Confirmed Captain Cold and his sister Lisa do function as a team in several episodes, staring in "Rogue Time." Cisco is forced to make Cold's sister a gold gun in "Rogue Time," and he gives her her nickname in "Rogue Air." They still aren't Metas though.
- And, in the grand tradition of Superman/Flash crossovers, they'll race around the world for charity!
- The part about the accelerator being the source of the shows enemies is confirmed. Though there's no indication so far that anyone from Static will appear.
- Confirmed.
- Geoff Johns mentioned a possibility of a Multiverse to describe the TV shows and the films so it's likely that by the time the show renewed for a 4th or 5th season, the DCCU Justice League film and The Flash 2018 film will be out. By then, Gustin!Flash and DCCU!Flash will meet and either one of them would say (as quoted from the comicbook), "So you see, I became the super-fast Flash on my Earth much as you became The Flash on yours!" And there's plenty of time before 2024 Crisis. As theory below says, the sky's the limit!
- It's confirmed that they're using the Multiverse for the show, but I doubt they'll include the movies in that
- Jossed. That role belongs to Eobard Thawne, a descendent of Eddie Thawne, but he didn't steal his wife.
- Confirmed. A descendant of Eddie Thawne, Eobard Thawne, traveled back from the future and took over Harrison Wells' body.
- Moreso in Season 2, though whether he's the same person as in Season 1 is in question.
- Eobard killed Barry's mom as revenge for what he did (or what he'll do) to his ancestor and ruining the Thawne family. But all he did is create a Predestination Paradox.
- Part of this is confirmed. Eobard is Reverse-Flash and Eddie is his ancestor. Eobard wasn't trying to kill Nora, though, he was trying to kill little Barry; Flash traveled to the same point and time, though, and wouldn't let him do it, and Nora was just the next best thing.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Killer Frost might be a Superpowered Evil Side she gains after exposure to Captain Cold's powers.
- With Ronnie's disappearance, Cait has ample reason to subconsciously hate Barry.
- Confirmed, Arrow too.
- Well, semi-confirmed. The changes in design were just because they found Wells' newspaper. Which is incredibly lazy if you ask this troper.
- This troper is thinking Crisis Crossover, because it's such a DC staple that it wouldn't be extreme to see them attempt it among all of their on-going live-action properties.
- But they already cast another Deadshot, Halrey Quinn, Captain Boomerang, and Barry Allen for the movies
- Depending on what Wally's age will be, she could be a representative that comes to his high school to hand out pamphlets during an assembly.
- Confirmed.
- Or possibly Jay Garrick, as a reference to the "Flash of Two Worlds" story.
- Nooo, Jay is good.
- Jossed as of Season 2 Jay Garrick's a superhero
- Nooo, Jay is good.
- An Evil Counterpart of Arrow will be mentioned. He'll be called the Archer or something.
- His trip to the Mirror Universe will be caused by Mirror Master.
- He's already met his Wally West, and Earth-2!Jay
- Jossed. She knows now.
- Confirmed. All of Season 2.
- Laurel does join Team Arrow, and Roy gets replaced by Thea. However, it looks like the crossover episodes will have both teams working together.
- Cisco is already developing powers, Eddie's dead... probably some other kind of event (maybe magical) will trigger metahuman anomalies.
- Barry does believe there's some good in him and it's true he's Not Always Evil.
- He's a her oin Legends of Tomorrow.
Moreover, Eddie will actually turn out to be a nice guy, like Tommy, and a friend to Barry and possible ally of the Flash. And in the season finale, he will get killed somehow by the Reverse-Flash's actions, while helping Barry. Iris will be grief-stricken by his death, and this may lead to her and Barry getting closer and possibly starting their own relationship.
Now Thawne's death could potentially cause a paradox if he's Eobard Thawne's ancestor...or it might simply 'untether' Eobard from the time-stream and allow him to continue to exist as a time anomaly, as he eventually did in the comics. Maybe the fact that he's no longer bound by the natural laws of time and space is what leads him to mess around with the past further, creating the Flashpoint reality.
- Confirmed. Eddie kills himself in a last-minute Heroic Sacrifice, (presumably) erasing Eobard Thawne from history. Of course, who knows if this will actually keep him dead. However, in spite of erasing Eobard, his actions of changing the past are still intact.
- Jossed.
- The world of the 1990 series, complete with John Wesley Shipp reprising his role as that show's Flash & an Actor Allusion to his playing Henry Allen in the 2014 series, with 1990!Barry receiving a confused "Dad?!" from 2014!Barry.
- Jossed. It has Earth-2 and Jay Garrick.
- The world of Smallville, with Kyle Gallner reprising his role of Impulse. On top of that, thanks to the shared universe, Justin Hartley will reprise his role of Ollie Queen/Green Arrow to contrast with Amell's Arrow, and Tom Welling would make a brief cameo as either as Superman or Clark Kent.
- Jossed again. See above
- The Canary Cry and the Atom powers are both tech in this universe
- Jossed. Joe West learned the truth but is still alive.
- I heard that the upcoming Supergirl series will crossover with this show and Arrow. But since Superman and Batman are in embargo, it's likely that this Supergirl would be her Earth-2 version, who is a member of the Justice Society. But she's still called Supergirl because, according to the synopsis, she's raised by the Danvers.
- Supergirl will not crossover with the CW shows. They'll exist in the same universe so it's possible the heroes will be mentioned in each others respective shows. But Supergirl will not appear in Flash or Arrow and those two will not pop up in Supergirl, no matter how much they'd like to.
- You've got that the other way around. Supergirl does not exist in the C Wverse, but she and Flash will have a crossover.
- Supergirl will not crossover with the CW shows. They'll exist in the same universe so it's possible the heroes will be mentioned in each others respective shows. But Supergirl will not appear in Flash or Arrow and those two will not pop up in Supergirl, no matter how much they'd like to.
- Technically, Firestorm didn't show up until Barry's second encounter with Reverse Flash, but it was in the same episode as the first so the above still mostly counts as an accurate guess.
- Jossed. Instead, Jay leaves when they get HIS Harrison Wells
- A) If he succeeds in stopping Zoom, it will create a Time Crash similar to Flashpoint or something else.
- B) If he doesn't succeed in stopping Zoom, it might open a dimensional rift and reveal the existence of the Multiverse and the Anti-Matter universe which could explain the 2024 Crisis.
- Confirmed. Barry discovers he can travel through time - with help from Professor Zoom/Thawne - in "Fast Enough," the final episode of season 1. However, neither A or B happens - or at least if they did we don't know about it yet.
- Multiverse confirmed.
- Alternatively, in the Flashpoint timeline, Ivo killed both Oliver and Shado on the island. This prompted Slade and Sara to become Starling City's protectors to honor their memory. Slade still received the Mirakuru however, and the darker tendencies caused by it drove Sara away and leave him an angry, violent, shell of himself by the time Barry arrives in the new timeline.
- Additionally, Atom and Firestorm can fulfill the roles Cyborg and Superman had in the original story, respectively.
- Ooh! Atom becomes CYBORG!
- Confirmed on the crossover, not about the race yet.
- More likely Ghul plays some important roles in the future/Flash didn't kill Ghul. Remember He's trying to maintain the future and Ghul's a major piece to remove from the game.
- The Season Finale seems to be building toward this, as previews indicate that Barry will attempt to go into the past to save his mother. This could easily lead to Season 2 being a Flashpoint adaptation, with Barry attempting to fix the timeline after he messed it up by saving his mom.
- Ideally, those devices will be in the form of a musical pipe, or at least are disguised to look like such, with him making a comment along the lines of 'Why do you think I called myself the Pied Piper!?' when he reveals it.
- Or Hartley had a thing for Cisco. The twist being that Cisco had a thing for him right back but because he was a giant jerkass it put Cisco off.
- Doubt anyone could have a thing for Hartley. And Hartley very obviously only had a thing for Wells.
- Confirmed
- Jossed. Episode had nothing to do with St. Patrick's Day in-universe.
- Confirmed as of "Who Is Harrison Wells?"
- Rogue Time, Rogue Air, Family of Rogues... seems confirmed so far.
- Well, Rogue Air was the sixth episode after Rogue Time, but Family of Rogues in Season 2 is the third episode in.
- Doesn't happen - but primarily because Barry realizes all of this in the season finale. He realizes that saving his mom would change the timeline, and potentially him and everyone around him, significantly. His future self also signals to him not to do it - and so even though he has the opportunity to, he doesn't save his mom, and so far there haven't been significant changes to the timeline.
- And yet, somehow, Eddy killing himself, preventing the existence of Eobard, miraculously doesn't effect the time-traveling exploits and mentorship of Harrison Wells to Barry. Seriously, they shouldn't remember anything that happened up to that point.
Why?
Because these aren't references to their CBS characters. They ARE the CBS characters. At some point after the CBS show ended, Shipps!Flash, Trickster, and McGee were together when something (probably Barry-related) pushed the three into an alternate timeline. It also stripped Barry of his powers, similar to what happened with Harrison Wells. The three went their separate ways, Barry took over Henry's identity (depending on how old Barry is, he may have either married Barry's mom after she had him), Tina McGee went back into science and Trickster used the bombs to either lure the Flash out of hiding or as a way to get back to his timeline. Trickster was captured. Nora died and "Henry" was arrested and Tina just stayed out of it for now.
But history is repeating and they are all aware of it. Tina's coming back in a future episode and it would explain why out of every criminal in the prison... Trickster returns to kidnap Henry Allen.
- Post episode: HOW did Trickster know Henry Allen was Barry's dad? I don't think Barry mentioned his father was in jail. Or where he was. And then when Trickster talked about how it was a really great trick, he was talking to Henry, not Axel. (Check the eyelines)
- Also, there were flashbacks in this episode. Flash usually doesn't use Flashbacks. And these dealt entirely with altering timelines, alternate timelines, and identity theft.
- Adding to this, the second Trickster's mother is this timeline's version of Zoey Clark. Or...
- Recently, Henry left the city after being exonerated of his wife's murder. Seems odd to say the least.
- Barry jumping through to Earth 2 showed 90's flash there, so it exists in some form. But as it showed some tings that happened yet the portal controls both time and space. So 90's existed, but who knows about now.
- Henry said his mother's maiden name was Garrick. 90's Flash had Garricks and Allens related.
- Confirmed. I was indeed correct. :)
- Didn't happen by the end of the season; however, that doesn't preclude Wells from showing up sometime in the future.
- The actor makes a return in Season 2 as Earth 2's Harrison Wells
- In the comics those two are among the few to not be counted among the Rogues so this could be possible
- Jossed. The rogues had nothing to do with Thawne's defeat. Grodd's still out there though.
- Jossed. Season 1 Wells doesn't care at all about metahumans. They're just a side effect of his attempt to get back to his timeline.
- Confirmed, but not by Wells - they're actually released by Captain Cold via Barry, who is trying to save them from being killed by a second particle accelerator explosion.
- [[Everyman WAS released by Wells, however, but he was killed while impersonating him.]]
- "Summer Lovin'" karaoke with Caitlin counts.
- The special musical episode also counts.
- while STAR remained standing, the season did end with another particle accelerator
- Mirror Master (likely a metahuman with power over mirrors, though that doesn't mean he can't still have laser-based weapons) and maybe the Top appearing
- Captain Boomerang, Trickster, and Weather Wizard will join up with them
- Pied Piper will join, becoming their new Gadgeteer Genius (they can't kidnap Cisco every time someone looses their gun, right?)
- The group will start to show their usual Punch-Clock Villain sides
- At one point they'll end up fighting Grodd or Reverse-Flash
- Judging by the titles, "Grodd Lives" will obviously be about Gorilla Grodd and the characters discovering his existence. The previews have shown General Eiling haggard but alive down there, and at least Joe going down there. This troper suspects that Wells/Eobard took Eddie down into these sewers as well in the Stinger at the end of "The Trap", given the lighting and overall atmosphere of the hideout. There will be a confrontation there, maybe with the characters fighting against Grodd. Ultimately, however, this will be a distraction for Wells to sneak back into STAR Labs and free all of the metahumans. The episode will likely end with Grodd beaten, but Wells escaping yet again with a small army of metahuman prisoners... who mostly have grudges against the Flash.
- The penultimate episode will shift the focus towards the Rogues once more. I'm guessing this will focus on the logical aftermath of Snart taking up Barry's challenge to be a non-lethal crew. Maybe someone gets killed by accident? Maybe the other Rogues don't take well to this new restriction on their activities? Regardless, it will show Snart in a position of vulnerability for once, reaching out to Barry for help. And yes, by this episode's end we will see Pied Piper join the ranks, serving as their Gadgeteer Genius. I'm guessing that at the end, Snart will owe Barry one, leading into...
- "Fast Enough". The season finale. I also really like the idea of STAR Labs getting blown up in the final confrontation between Barry and Wells. This is going to be the biggest episode, likely with the army of metahumans coming into play in a big way. Maybe Barry has the Rogues to help him now? Given the preview trailer, it will definitely mark the return of Oliver/Al-Sah Him, the Atom, and Firestorm to help. So yeah, big set pieces and lots of big, comic book fights. Things are going to go really badly. The heroes might not necessarily win (I'm guessing it'll be something closer to a Bolivian Army Ending), as the fight between the Flash and Reverse-Flash will ultimately rip a hole in space-time. At the critical moment, Barry taps into the Speed Force and uses it to kill Wells.
- As to the ending of the season itself: I'm guessing Barry's fight will ultimately land him in an Alternate Timeline. His use of the Speed Force to kill will land him there without his speed, or at least greatly reduced, setting up the Flashpoint arc for Season 2.
- For whatever reason, the real Wells will build the particle accelerator around the same time as in the first altered timeline. This will similarly result in Barry getting his powers, as well as presumably all the other metahumans under similar circumstances, though it'll be an actual accident this time around.
- Certain characters may have different personalities, such as Hartley, due to the lack of Eobard's influence and for-want-of-a-nail logic.
- Grodd will still have gained his powers / intelligence from the particle accelerator incident, but most likely didn't get his hands on General Eiling. Most likely had a similar first meeting with Barry as seen in Grodd Lives, though, since the sewer disappearances would probably reach the ears of Team Flash eventually.
- Speaking of Team Flash, Cisco and Caitlin would probably still be around. Cisco would possibly have some memories of the previous timeline however, perhaps furthering the potential awakening of his Vibe powers.
- Wally West will exist in the new timeline. It's one idea to bring him into the show, at least. Plus it'd be just like Eobard to make sure the Flash's sidekick didn't exist, not only so that Barry would have one less ally, but just to be a jerk.
- confirmed-ish? Barry decides not to save his mother after talking to himself.
And the next crossover could even be called "Crisis on Two Earths." This would allow Supergirl, Team Arrow, and Team Flash to co-exist (along with the Legends of Tomorrow). This may have even been foreshadowed with Kara's line about two Earths becoming one. Also, Rip Hunter mentioned Superman, in one episode.
- Looking likely, Supergirl is moving to the CW for its second season, and its unlikely they'll want to force awkward universe hops every time they crossover. Arrow has all but confirmed Batman exists on this Earth too, so if the WMG on the Supergirl page about a Batgirl spinoff ever stands a chance of happening, its somewhat likely this would help. Hell, could go full-on Crisis on Infinite Worlds and throw Earth 2 in there and several other Earths, allowing all kinds of fun developments. Going to expand on that idea...
- Confirmed, Earth-1 merges with Supergirl's Earth-38 during Crisis on Infinite Earths, partway through season 6.
- Black Canary is alive again, but is a composite between Laurel and another universe's; she's more headstrong, tougher, a Metahuman, goes by the name Dinah, and wears fishnets. IE, a comic-accurate Canary.
- Jay Garrick (who, lets be honest, is almost definitely the Man in the mask) is now on the same Earth along with some other heroes, who form a team of older heroes to train younger ones ala the Smallville comic version of the Titans. This would make room for a spin-off about the Justice Society/Titans composite, featuring Jay, Wildcat, Alan Scott (if they can get him), Liberty Belle, along with younger characters like Wally, Roy and/or Thea, Evelyn, Jesse, and maybe some new ones like Stargirl and Cyclone.
- As a twist, instead of how it happened in the comic, Kara lives through the event but Superman dies in her arms, leaving her as the only Kryptonian hero known. This would put a bigger pressure on her and make room for drama.
- Assuming that they quit it with the embargo (what, with both Flash and Supergirl getting away with it), more Batman and Superman supporting characters will show up, even if the two themselves can't appear. Oracle would make a great Always Someone Better to Felicity to counteract her Creator's Pet nature, Nightwing would be fun to see, while Kon-El and Steel would be neat to see on Supergirl.
- Other developments other people could add.
- My personal belief is they'll wait until Gotham gets to where Bruce is Batman, and have him be the main Batman in the story. If DC wanted to go really big, what they could do instead is adapt it into a two-part film, involve the movie universes (like, even older ones) and then have the films and shows be the same universe, and keep the main ones mostly in film but have it possible for them to appear occasionally in the show in order to have one cohesive live action DCU like Marvel has.
- Confirmed. Well... all except the break dancing part.
- Confirmed... ish. Her Earth-2 counterpart is Killer Frost.
- Caitlin of Earth-1 becomes Killer Frost due to Flashpoint in season 3, and rebrands herself as just Frost in season 6 because she's not a killer. So confirmed.
- If Hal ever appears, Barry and Ollie will compete who gets to be Hal's BFF. Played for Laughs, of course!
- All but Jossed in "Rogue Air". In this continuity, Ferris Air closed down after "a test pilot went missing", which is about as clear a reference to Hal as you can get without dropping his name.
- Possibly confirmed for Earth 2 Barry, as he has Hal's number on speed dial.
- Wally is jossed. Turns out he's from the present.
- Well, Reverse-Flash did (twice)
- Or he exists as a ghost who can't be seen or heard unless he possesses someone. And then he's still only a voice in his host's head.
- Ronnie was fused with Martin Stein. And they figured out how to un-fuse.
- Part of his arc could be meeting and falling in love with Sue.
- This is looking good as of "Power Outage." Ralph Dibny is among the names Wells lists as casualties of the particle accelerator. The fact that he supposedly died isn't even that bad considering Ronnie Raymond "died", but we already have an actor lined up so we know he's coming back.
- Also consider that Harrison Wells could be lying that he died (it wouldn't be at all out of character for him) and that Ralph is alive and well, and his newly developed stretching powers have been a huge help to his struggling detective career.
- Confirmed! Elongated Man is set to be a semi-regular in season 4!
- It'd only be natural to expect some fire puns too. After all, she's one hot chick.
- Jossed she doesn't use that name as her hero alias
- Jossed. Jesse is the daughter of Earth-2!Wells
- Jossed, it was Barry
- He won't use the name "Atom" and will take the codename of another DC size-shifter like Molecule or Micron.
- He was mentioned by Barry's future daughter Nora as the creator of his ring.
- Well, considering Eiling and his scientists isolated the Firestorm Matrix from Stein's cells we may be one step closer to the Captain being made.
- Zeus- Shazam/Captain Marvel, or else Atom, just to shake things up a bit and wink at the fanbase.
- Hera- Supergirl
- Hades- Nightwing
- Hephaestus- GL (or Cyborg, or Firestorm, or Atom, all known for creating stuff for/with their powers)
- Hermes- Duh
- Apollo- Duh
- Poseidon- Aquaman or Aqualad
- Going off of the heroes we have now, I'm guessing: Zeus/The ATOM, Hera/Supergirl, Hades/ Martian Manhunter, assuming there's a Supergirl crossover, Hephaestus/Firestorm, Hermes/Flash, Apollo/Green Arrow, and Poseidon/Aquaman (guessing from all the references to Atlantis on Earth-2)
- "Old Timeline Cisco" is dead. He can't travel to the current timeline.
- However, the part about him becoming Vibe is true.
- Hal Jordan is referenced in the episode "Rogue Air", when Barry mentions a Ferris Air test pilot who went missing.
- So pretty much Gorilla versions of Caesar and Koba?
- That's one way to put it.
- Is it bad that I want this to be the case?
- Not at all.
- Jossed. Unless Hartley upgrades his equipment, he doesn't have the mind control aspects of his comic counterpart. In fact, he more closely resembles Batman Beyond's Shriek, or Spider-Man's Shocker.
- It's also entirely possible Mark got weather powers too and like Barry was in a coma all this time.
- Confirmed. Liam McIntyre has been confirmed to play Weather Wizard in episodes 15 and 16.
- Savitar
- Confirmed
- Black Flash - The Grim Reaper of speedsters. They might put some Nightmare Fuel in it.
- Johnny Quick - From the Crime Syndicate. If he appears, they might do the same thing in Smallville where Clark was transported to Earth-2 while his Evil Counterpart, Ultraman, went to his Earth and terrorizes his friends.
- Maybe instead of Barry he'll be an Evil Counterpart to Well's
- Blue Trinity - A Russian speedster team.
- Semi confirmed with Ronnie and Stein. Ralph was brought back post Flashpoint.
- Confirmed, sort of. He's from Earth-2 in this version.
- He was played by Darren Criss in season 3
- Confirmed, but not for the Flash. Instead, look to Legends Of Tomorrow.
- Semi-Confirmed, apparently on H.W's earth he's a technology user but the one we see is a metahuman.
- Confirmed, kind of. It appears that Deathstorm will be his Earth-2 Doppelganger, and he will be the Clyde to Killer Frost's Bonnie. The whereabouts of Earth-1 Ronnie are still unknown.
- He looks like an older, bigger Cisco, he'd make a really believable Big Brother Bully.
- Jossed
- He could already have superspeed, which cold be how how got into Stagg's office — He ran, and merely pushes the wheelchair around. While it coudl be justified as a Stealth Hi/Bye, the show specifically draws attention to how he got into the building.
- This would explain how the Reverse-Flash knew Joe was looking into him in "The Flash Is Born". Joe had discussed his investigation with Harrison earlier.
- Confirmed. He is Eobard Thawne.
- Jossed. [[Spoiler:Eddie killed himself, and wrote Thwane out of existence in that timeline.]]
- Heck, Barry telling Wells what inspired him to become a hero could help encourage Wells in that direction
- Jossed, but some elements made it into Season 2. Wells making Barry get faster for example, though not for the Crisis...
- Barry's really not the type to murder a guy, even to preserve the timeline.
- Jossed. Wells is actually the Reverse-Flash, Eobard Thwane
Even refers to himself as such in the second episode.
Instead of time-hopping, he comes from another dimension to try and help Barry get ready to defeat the Anti-Monitor before he destroys this world too.
- Jossed.
- Although a few seasons later, the Arrowverse version of Pariah is in fact an alternate Earth Wells, so...semi-confirmed?
- Confirmed, Wells is Professor Zoom (though he's not called like that...yet). As for Eddie, we'll see..
- Eddie's dead
- Jossed, since Arthur Darvil will be playing Rip Hunter in another spinoff.
- Jossed
- Jossed. He's a descendant of Eddie
- Metron has disguised himself as a guy in a wheelchair before.
- Possibly. As of "Public Enemy", the Arrow's been publicly outed as being Oliver Queen. This piece of news could easily be in Wells' database, depending on how extensive it is and Oliver's future activities.
WARNING: Spoilers for "The Man in the Yellow Suit"
- The actual Harrison Wells (or whatever his real name is) is Reverse-Flash, the one who was wearing the Yellow Suit. The Wells we know is a clone of him. His job is to monitor the future and ensure things go the way that Reverse-Flash wants them to (and to keep Barry safe). Since Reverse-Flash needs to play the villain in this plan (seemingly to motivate Barry to become the hero who stops the Red Sky crisis), he sent his duplicate to kick things off by triggering the particle accelerator explosion. The duplicate also keeps the yellow suit in safe place when Reverse-Flash isn't using it. After all, there have to be some occasions where the guy has to do errands at normal speed (if his powers work like Barry's, he has to consume large quantities of food in order to avoid starving and unless he's constantly knocking over fast food joints and grocery stores at super-speed, he probably buys his food like everyone else), so he wouldn't be able to wear the suit all the time without attracting attention. This theory would explain how Reverse-Flash was able to be in a cage while Wells "interrogated" him. Even if you have super-speed, you can't be in two places at the same time, but if there's actually two of you, then you can.
- Jossed. Wells is the only Reverse-Flash and their encounter was a combination of hologram and speed-trick.
- Kill Joe because happiness and superheroes don't mix these days.
- Take Eddie under his wing and start him on his own dark path
- Jossed. Wells is Eobard Thawne, aka Professor Zoom.
- Jossed. He's Eobard Thawne.
- CONFIRMED! (as of "Tricksters")
- Original Troper: Maybe or maybe not, as Eobard Thawne learns about Harrison Wells by meeting the Earth-2 counterpart. Which means the Earth-1 Wells was supposed to die.
- If it's a lightning bolt from a villain, Mark Mardon taking his place as the traditional Weather Wizard is probably the best way to go.
- Confirmed. Wally West will appear in "Running to a Stand Still" in Season 2.
- Jossed he is the post -52 version as well as Joe's biological son, instead of nephew.
- Confirmed although he's brother with an 5-6 years age difference between them.
- Bonus points if 'Kid Flash' is treated more like an Embarrassing Nickname rather than a codename, allowing them to keep the name without forgoing it due to cheesiness.
- Confirmed
- On the contrary, age doesn't necessarily equal appearance. Rudy West could be an estranged family member because he had a disagreement with Joe. Or, grew up under the care of Mrs. West after a divorce while Joe raised Iris. Two birds, one very big stone.
- Joe seems to be roughly in his mid-to-late 40s when the show begins - his actor was 45 when he filmed his first scenes, and his onscreen daughter is implicitly close to Barry Allen in age (though Candice Patton is 26 in her first scenes). Unless he's actually in his 50s - with a son roughly 10 years older than Iris is - the likelihood of his having a teenage grandson is presently low. Not impossible mind you, but we haven't yet got all the necessary information to be sure of this one. Additionally, going on this track...
- Joe might be Wally's maternal grandfather in this continuity - his older daughter Mary West (5+ years older than Iris) had a Teen Pregnancy which led to estrangement from her family (possibly involving a divorce). Raised Wally as a single mother, until something brings him (and possibly her as well) into Joe and Iris' lives.
- Half-Confirmed:In this adaption Wally will not be Joe or Iris' nephew but Joe's son and Iris' younger brother. Their mother Francine left Central City and he was born 8 months afterwards.
- Actually fully Jossed as in this case he is Joe's son and not his nephew.
- Unlikely. The creators outright said Wally will be a West.
- Jossed , he is a West.
- Confirmed, and it looks like Joe is the father.
- He might be the father. But Iris doesn't want to know, because she doesn't want her dad to know he might have a son he never knew or had a part in raising him.
- Confirmed in the second season mid-final, Joe is the father.
- And to add to the sense of tragedy and triumph, Barry will get to talk to his mom. It will turn out that his mother's cries of "Don't let him touch you!" were an order to an adult Flash, meaning that his mom knowingly sacrificed her life to save him.
- This would signify that Barry went back in time to try to stop Zoom, but he elected to save young Barry's life by transporting him away from the house. Which gave Zoom the opportunity to murder Barry's mother.
- As of "The Man In A Yellow Suit", possible. As noted by Cisco when he saw the fight, Barry generates yellow lightning while Zoom generates red lightning. Young Barry was carried away with yellow lightning when the murder occurred. But, it's possible that the speedster who whisked young Barry may not be Barry from the future. As noted by the theory below, he might be Wally or Bart. But still, it could be Barry from the future.
- Cisco and Joe recovered overlooked blood at the scene, Cisco confirmed that one of the speedsters was an adult Barry, but the other one wasn't Wells.
- That's actually true, he wasn't Wells—yet.
- Confirmed, albeit with "Hunter's" name being Harrison.
- Actually jossed. the man we know as "Harrison Wells", 'the Man in the Lightning' and Eobard Thawne are all one and the same.
- Jossed. It's Harrison Wells.
- Apparently confirmed in "The Nuclear Man". The blood Cisco and Joe found at the old crime scene was apparently that of the two speedsters: one was an adult Barry but the other wasn't Wells.
- Jossed, "Tricksters" shows that the other speedster was one Eobard Thawne, who used some form of future technology to transform himself into Wells, after engineering an accident that killed the original Wells's wife.
- Judging by some set photos that have been released, this theory may not be that far off.
- As of "The Man In The Yellow Suit, he did. TWICE.
- Confirmed.
- Secondary to this WMG, Eddie is Reverse Flash, and the cause of his initial feud with the Flash is because of the Flash's attack on him in the crossover episode, and he ends up becoming a Self-Made Orphan when they time travel back in time.
- This is confirmed.
- A time travelling Barry
- Confirmed as Barry's blood was found at the scene.
- Jay Garrick
- Jossed. Wells' real name is Eobard Thawne, and he's Eddie's descendant.
- Half-right. While Wells is the only Reverse-Flash, in "Out of Time", Wells admits his intention was to kill Barry.
- Reverse-Flash: You have the same blood on your hands that's on mine.
Wells: Not the blood of innocents.
Reverse-Flash: "By luck only.
- Considering Wells and the Reverse-Flash are one and the same, this seems unlikely.
- Though in Season 2, the Earth-2 Wells and the "temporal echo" Reverse-Flash come face-to-face with each other.
- Given that in "Grodd Lives" Eobard taunts Eddie by saying that he's the only Thawne that history has forgotten, and otherwise seems to dismiss him as being of little importance, this outcome would be especially ironic.
- CONFIRMED!
- Jossed. The Reverse-Flash who was apparently trapped in the forcefield talking to Harrison Wells was a pre-recorded hologram and Wells was faking having a conversation with him.
- If you're referring to the trailer scene where Eddie shoots the two cops, that's been Jossed. It turns out that it was actually a shapeshifter disguised as Eddie who shot them.
- Confirmed as of "The Trap", in fact it seems he anticipated it.
- Jossed. When Eddie shot himself to wipe Reverse-Flash out of existence, he reverted to Letscher's form before turning to ash, indicating that that was his true form.
- Jossed.
- Since he's always one step ahead, Wells is just that cocky, and it's All According to Plan anyways.
- The room responded to Barry's touch since future Barry was the one who created the Gideon AI controlling the room, which Thawne later stole.
- When Eddie committed Heroic Suicide in Season 1, he erased Eobard's entire family tree from existence, but that also means that the events leading to said Heroic Suicide could never happen, creating an impossible situation. The Speed Force dealt with the paradox by preserving a version of Eobard in the future so that the events of Season 1 could still happen, keeping the current timeline intact.
- I think that's what they intended to imply. Also, remember that in Eobard's original timeline Barry became the Flash long after 2016, so the timeline have definitely took liberties to preserve itself.
- We know from Out of Time that Thawne's original plan was to kill Barry, but how could he do that without creating a gigantic paradox since that would mean there'd be no Flash to inspire him to come back in time? The answer lies in the technology Thawne had that allowed him to kill/replace Harrison Wells. Clearly, Thawne had planned to kill the young Barry, replace him and then grow up to become The Flash.
- This would also be a nice nod to the original Reverse Flash's motivations in the comics, where Eobard Thawne was a Flash fanboy who tried to emulate his hero to the point of having plastic surgery to look like Barry Allen! Thawne went mad after acquiring speed powers, traveling through time to The Flash Museum, and discovering - from the exhibits - that he was destined to be remembered as The Flash's worst enemy!
- Thawne-Wells seems to have started the "new age" of metahuman superheroes and supervillains 7 years early (2013 instead of 2020). Meaning everyone who applies is at least 7 years younger than they would have been.
- The metahumans (and Grodd) in the old timeline had less of a Meta Origin. The 2020 particle accelerator didn't explode, no Mass Empowering Event, but the technology derived from it created metahumans anyway, through lower-key accidents Spider-Man style, and deliberate efforts from people like Gen. Eiling who was no longer working with STAR Labs.
- In 2014-2015, Cisco, Caitlin, Ronnie and Hartley were still working for Wells and Tess Morgan.
- Barry's mom never died so his dad was never jailed and he didn't become Joe's ward. He still becomes a CSI due to his nature.
- The Rogues were metahumans.
- Actual Harrison Wells interacting with Eiling led to Grodd (here "Gorilla Grodd") breaking free and forming a gang of gorillas which terrorized the city. His position as the 'old master villain' was filled by the Trickster in the changed timeline.
- As a result of the theft of the centrifuge, the Arrow was instead helped by a young Starling City CSI named Rex Tyler.
- Additionally, this Future Barry was not the Barry we know in the show, but the version who became the Flash in 2020 when the real Wells' particle accelerator blew up.
- Oliver Queen
- Barry, naturally.
- Firestorm
- Supergirl
- Cisco (as Vibe)
- Caitlin (as an Adaptational Heroism version of Killer Frost)
- Laurel (as Black Canary)
- Ray Palmer (as The Atom)
- Possible Barry Dialogue: The Arrow? He may be dead, and his story might be over. But the 'Green Arrow?' His story's just about to start. Now, you want to just stay and be some retired, bitter vigilante who failed his city, or do you want to be the hero it needs? Get up Ollie, and go be a hero.
- Jossed. Oliver changes the name himself, without Barry's influence or seeing the article.
- Confirmed in "Fast Enough", though he goes one better than even that. As in, he shoots himself.
- Seemingly jossed as of the trailer for Legends of Tomorrow, as it's heavily implied that Vandal Savage actually managed to kill both Superman and Batman.
- Additionally jossed with the revelation of Earth Thirty-Eight, the home universe of Supergirl, where Superman and implicitly Batman exist. This would suggest that the commonalities on Earth-One, i.e. the references to the Waynes, are just elements shared across Earths without implying they share or shared superheroes, same as Central City exists in Supergirl's world without the Flash.
- Earth-0/Prime: 2024 Barry's Earth
- Earth-1: 2014 Barry's Earth
- Earth-2: Jay Garrick's Earth. Golden Age version of the heroes exist here or equivalent there of. (Thomas Wayne Batman, Robert Queen Green Arrow)
- It seems that Earth-2 is the "Evil Universe" with Flash is really Zoom, Killer Frost, Deathstorm, Reverb, and Doctor Light. Earth-3 could possibly be the one with older heroes.
- Earth-3: Obligatory Evil Universe. Also Four Is Death
- Earth-4: Successor Universe. Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Connor Hawke.
- Earth-5: Supergirl's Earth (if not simply combined with Earth-1)
- Earth-6: Reverse gender equivalent-verse. Jesse Quick version of the Flash exist here.
- Earth-7: Beyond verse. Danica Williams Flash.
- Earth 8: The Movie Verse (for the DC Cinematic Universe version of The Flash)
- Fill the rest in yourselves if you have an idea of course.
- Notice a general Like Reality, Unless Noted physics edition that goes on whenever he "runs" what's actually happening is that the exotic matter gave him the mutate ability of an Alcubierre drive.
- He knew the damage it could do and stopped his past self from creating that reality. At some point, Cisco will gain greater control of his "Vibe" powers and be able to see into what happened in that timeline.
- Rather, they continue to exist, but with no more Barry Allen to protect them, making things go from bad to worse. This means that there is an alternate dimension whereby Barry may have successfully generated a tidal wave to stop Mark Mardon's (or maybe not), but he then disappeared, with Cisco now dead by the Reverse-Flash's hands and Joe seriously injured and captured by Mark—so not only is the situation horrifically dire, but they don't even have their hero to protect them anymore. Similarly, this would also apply to Arrow S 4 E 8 Legends Of Yesterday, whereby Vandal Savage managed to successfully kill all the heroes and wipe out Central City in the process...basically, that universe still exists, but with no heroes, and with Vandal Savage conquering the universe.
- The season 3 episode "Untouchable" seems to touch on this idea, when Cisco is able to vibe himself into the Flashpoint timeline, which shouldn't exist anymore
- Time Wraith is a corrupted version of speedster he came after. Let's think about it very hard. Barry went back in time not only in original timeline, but in changed timeline as well (Team waited his return in changed timeline).
- This world's Henry Allen is. This is backed up by the fact that the old show's Barry had an older brother named Jay (the name a double of Henry also had) and that characters from that show have turned up being 24 years older on the new one (Tina McGee, the Trickster, Anthony Bellows). Iris West appeared in the pilot for that show but considering she was white it's safe to assume she's a completely different person who happens to also have that name.
- HR, who is from Earth-19, says that Barry's superpower isn't speed, but hope. In Blackest Night, Barry was given a Blue Lantern ring, which is powered by hope.
- Savitar's existence requires a time loop - his actions in 2017 are meant to lead to his eventual creation. This seems to contradict how time-travel generally works in this show, where going back in time will just create a new independent history...except in the case of the Reverse Flash, whose murder of Nora Allen was similarly set in stone. In fact when Barry tried to stop Reverse Flash, even though Nora Allen's murder was an aberration, attempting to undo it and set history back to how it was meant to be all but shattered the timeline and caused Flashpoint. Savitar's suggested that "the more you (travel through time), the less the rules apply to you"; perhaps that literally means that if a speedster does in fact screw with time enough (as Eobard Thawne is clearly willing to, and how Barry did even before becoming Savitar) they eventually become able to reshape it more effectively as they survive the paradoxes piling up. Of course, given Thawne's instability and belief that he and Flash have some sort of cosmic destiny with one another, and that Savitar went from a hero, however emotionally broken in the wake of Iris' death and his alleged abandonment by Team Flash, to a murderous cult leader literally planning to become a god, perhaps that degree of messing with one's own timeline has a direct impact on mental health...
- Flash (Jay Garrick) - Henry Allen
- Black Canary (Dinah Lance) - Dinah Lance
- Atom (Al Pratt) - David Palmer
- Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane) - Curtis' father
- Sandman - Robert Queen
- Booster Gold - Rip Hunter's father
- Spectre - Quentin Lance
- Jossed, Joe's new partner is Patty Spivot.
- And Hunter Zolomon is the Earth-1 version of Zoom, and already lives in Central City. Plus he's not in Law Enforcement.
- Partially confirmed. Grant Gustin has stated that they're exploring the Multiverse in Season 2.
- Confirmed.
- This is already pretty much confirmed considering that Tom Cavanagh is confirmed to return (as a regular) in Season 2. Though we don't know the details.
- Probably Jossed because the 'older' Flash seen when Barry travels back in time is the version of himself from the timeline where the particle accelerator went on in 2020. Why he tried to stop Barry from jumping in is unclear, maybe his life had it's own tribulations and he's learned not to interfere with his own past (and is thus fully aware that what's going down that night will leave the timeline irrevocably altered, and thus shouldn't be changed further).
- Seemingly Jossed, it seems nothing has changed despite Eobard being erased
- Except this theory overlooks the fact that Eobard was Retgoned by Eddie's death. Now, how would they get around that?
- An alternate reality version of Thawne is always possible. We are going to see the multiverse after all.
- Green Lantern - Hal Jordan has been confirmed to exist over in Arrow so it is quite likely Alan Scott exists as well.
- Hawkman - Same deal as above but in Earth 2 he is the Thanagarian version and Jay confirms extraterrestrial life in his universe.
- Sandman - There will be a metahuman from Earth 2 that can turn into sand. Jay may mention there is a connection between that Meta and a friend of his.
- Doctor Fate or the Spectre - Barry will encounter something based in actual magic rather than metahuman powers and Jay will mention knowing someone related to mysticism on his world. Also Constantine appears in Arrow and he has been seen with Fate's helmet.
- Hourman - Miraclo has appeared in a way on Arrow and there were plans for an Hourman series.
- Atom - Ray Palmer on Earth 1 and Atom Smasher from Earth 2, this set up goes without saying.
- Johnny Thunder - Jay could mention a friend good with lighting as where he learned the trick he is going to teach Barry.
- Doctor Mid-Nite
- Starman - The Shade is sent to Earth 1 and Jay mentions a friend he helped to beat Shade.
- Mr Terrific - There will be a version on Earth 1 and Jay could comment on there being two Mr Terrifics.
- Wildcat - Same deal as Green Lantern and Hawkman
- Red Tornado - has a very storied history with both the Justice League and Justice Society on both Earths.
- Amazing Man - Wells mentioned an Earth 1 version of the character as a casualty of the accelerator explosion so it's possible that there is an Earth 2 version.
- Steel - one of the several iterations that have served with the Society
- Star Girl - She and Jay had a very Father/Daughter Relationship in the comics. Plus Courtney could make an appearance in Supergirl (2015) given her relationship with Kara in the comics.
- The Shade - a Jay Garrick enemy that was sent to Earth 1 and wants revenge on the powerless Jay.
- Doctor Alchemy/Mister Element - Someone who helped Dr Stein with the Firestorm project and got transmuting powers form the accelerator explosion.
- Appearance confirmed, though anything beyond that hasn't been touched on yet.
- Mirror Master - Associate of Cold and Glider that gained mirror powers from the accelerator.
- Appearance confirmed, though anything beyond that hasn't been touched on yet.
- The Top - Same as Mirror Master but has closer ties to Lisa because they used to date.
- Blacksmith & Magenta - These two are generally Wally West villains, but then, so is Girder, so it's not impossible.
- Brother Grimm - would prove a good way to introduce the magic to the Flash series
- Cicada - also a good way to introduce magic while tying it into the Speed Force
- Cobalt Blue - Either a Came Back Wrong Eddie, a relative of Eddie looking for revenge (thinking The Flash killed him), or an Eddie from an Alternate Earth.
- Folded Man
- Plunder - a vigilante that has Fantastic Racism towards metahumans and is going about tracking them down.
- Black Flash -Probably not going to do this yet, but who knows.
- Johnny Quick of Earth 3 - the breaches could connect to more than two worlds.
- In that same vein, Atomica, Deathstorm, and original counterparts of Green Arrow, Black Canary, and Vibe.
- Ragdoll he appears in season 5.
- Is this even a WMG? I think it was all but stated out loud in the premiere. And with the next episode, it WILL be stated out loud, presumably when Jay explains the Multiverse.
- The Rival was effectively the Ur-Example of the Evil Counterpart to a Flash, and his feud with Jay wound up leaving the Rival a Speed Force Ghost. Since Zoom is described as a "Speed Demon," perhaps he's similar. It would also explain his history with Jay Garrick; they're already enemies.
- Al Rothstein existed on both worlds, thus it's possible that Wells, Barry, Jay, Joe, and the rest do as well. If so, someone like Barry could be the evil Flash of this world. It may even explain Jay being a bit standoffish with Barry; its conceivable that he knows one evil Barry and is trying to accept a good one. alternatively, perhaps its an older Wally West from Jay's world, mixing the Dark Flash with the Rival.
- Semi-Confirmed. On Earth-2 the mural in the police department that shows the Greek Gods, representing the Justice League, instead shows soldiers and policemen with the words under it being "For a Free and Just Society"
- "The Darkness and The Light" lends some credence to this, since Earth-2's Doctor Light is also Earth-2's Linda Park. Since they think Zoom may be taunting Barry by bringing somebody from his life over to harm him, he could easily go further and bring over somebody who's doppleganger is part of the Flash's inner circle.
- Also supporting this is that Earth-2!Wells scanned her with a metahuman detector and it gave her a negative reading, meaning that the Particle Accelertor did not turn her into a metahuman like it did Cisco. Unless something else happens to give her superpowers, Killer Frost would have to be her Earth-2 (or from other Earths) counterpart.
- Confirmed Promos show that the Earth-2 counterpart is Killer Frost
- Confirmed and jossed. Earth-2 Harrison wells isn't evil, but he is a Jerkass.
- Jossed. Also, she didn't know the Flash personally, but she did Joe.
- Zoom wants to be the best. He needs to know he is the best. Rival mentality—if Barry is truly worthy, he can handle the metas being thrown at him. That would be Zoom's cue to come in for the kill, because the satisfaction won't be as great if Barry gets himself killed long before then.
- Confirmed that there is one, although it's not the one mentioned above. Zoom's ultimate goal isn't to defeat Barry (which he can do whenever he wants) but to steal his speed. He'd prefer that Barry get faster before he does so, since that would mean more speed for him to steal. His sending of Earth-2 villains to fight Barry is just his way of forcing Barry to get faster.
- Jossed he knew her from being Zoom and thus knew she wasn't a natural born killer
- Semi-jossed. Zoom's reason for sending mooks to kill Barry is actually to force him to get faster. That way, there will be more speed for him to steal from Barry. Zoom's actual identity remains to be seen.
- Jossed, Earth-2 Joe was killed by Killer Frost
- Why then did she bother mentioning the Mardon brothers in relation to her "father"'s death?
- Also, wouldn't several members of the CCPD, including Joe, as well as Iris and Barry, have attended Eddie's funeral and thus met Eddie's closest relatives? We also know that Iris met Eddie's parents whilst he was still alive, and I'm sure that at that meeting, any siblings Eddie had would've been mentioned.
- Confirmed
Or, at the very least, he'll stop Weather Wizard and The Trickster because ''he'' wants to be the one to take down The Flash himself, and merely used the other two villains to escape from jail and perhaps further other plans.
- Jossed. He doesn't pull a full Heel–Face Turn. Whilst he does refuse to help the Trickster and Mardon fight the Flash and warns Barry about them, he also refuses to help Barry, breaks into the West house, and threatens both Barry and Iris with his cold gun. It's still uncertain whether or not this is Captain Cold's last The Flash episode before Legends.
So far, the vast majority of metahumans seen in the Arrowverse have been malicious, with only a handful of exceptions, including The Flash, Plastique, Firestorm, and Vibe. We already have Patty belonging to an "Anti-Metahuman Task Force", and it is treated in the show's universe as a universally good thing...but what if that notion were ultimately subverted? We've already seen from Wade Eiling the dangers of anti-metahuman sentiment, and it would be interesting to explore these themes in greater detail, even if it's practically a cliché by now, particularly given its prevalence in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Of course, something like this would probably need a whole season to really breathe, so it probably won't come into play until season 3 at the earliest.
- Trajectory came to frame Flash, which could begin some of this.
- Jossed. Eobard is a timeline remnant.
- Alternately, "The Reverse-Flash Returns" may show the first meeting between Jay Garrick and Eobard Thawne, rather than simply explaining their connection.
- Jossed. They don't meet in this episode.
- Close. She figures out that he's the Flash shortly after they break up, and the reason they don't get back together is because Barry refuses to admit it.
- Jossed (maybe) as of "Escape From Earth 2"
- Unjossed by "King Shark" and the revelation that Jay is Zoom. This actually seems even more likely given the episode "Trajectory" and the revelation that V-9 can create another personality.
- Kinda jossed by "Versus Zoom", although there is the bit where Jay's eyes go black...
- Word of God says they'd never make Jay Garrick a villain. So, E2 Hunter may have stolen The Real Jay's identity as both a civilian and the Flash, and Real Jay may not even look like Teddy Sears.
- Possibly Jossed; some Pics from the Earth-2 episode has both Earth-2 Iris and Earth-2 Barry watching Earth-2 Joe finishing his jazz set. There is another pic showing her with a vest and gun. It is possible in this Earth Joe is a lounge singer and Iris became a cop.
- Actually confirmed. In Earth-2, Iris became a cop and married Barry, though that Joe doesn't like that Barry because he feels like Barry spurred Iris to put herself in harm's way with her job. (The feelings are mutual, surprisingly.) The Earth-1 Iris also survives what was a fairly minor injury to begin with, so no parallel Earth switcheroos here for Iris.
- Still Jossed , Iris parents was never killed and she was never adopted by the Allens. Also her name in Earth-2 is Detective West , and not Detective West-Allen.
- If you think about it, there's no logical reason why Eobard never traveling back to Barry's time should result in Cisco's death. While Season 1 Eobard did mention that he saved Cisco from some terrible fate, it's never specified that this meant death. However, Eobard was the one who gave Cisco the job at STAR Labs; without him, Cisco wouldn't have been there during the particle accelerator explosion, which means he would have no reason to be there in the present day. This is why he disappears.
Bruce: Maybe Bruce is Batman on Earth-2. He teamed up with Detective Iris West-Allen on a case at some point (either when he visited Central City or she visited Gotham) and they became close, trusted allies... close enough that Iris knows his true identity and has him on her speed-dial.
- Alternatively, Bruce Wayne once visited Central City in his capacity as a billionaire industrialist/philanthropist and Iris saved his life when an attempt was made on him (or helped him out, in her official capacity) in some other way, which led to them becoming friends.
Hal: He's a close friend of Barry's, possibly his best friend. Either a test pilot or, in a Earth-2 twist, is still in the military or some kind of law enforcement (maybe ARGUS). If the latter, then it might explain how he and Barry met.
Diana: If Atlantis exists on Earth 2, it isn't that much of a stretch to assume that Themyscera might exist as well. Diana could have visited Central City once as Ambassador to Man's World...or alternatively, she might be active as Wonder Woman and come there on a mission. While there she befriended Barry and/or Iris.
- Alternatively, maybe the Diana that Barry and Iris know is the 'original' Diana Prince... the real woman who's identity Princess Diana assumed, in the classic Golden/Silver Age comics.
- It's... {{Timey-Wimey Ball complicated...}}
- Confirmed, in a... complicated way. The person Team Flash knew as "Jay" was Hunter Zolomon, Zoom, the whole time. The person they saw die was a Time Remnant of Zoom's, whom he convinced to provide an alibi for himself after Barry decided to go to Earth 2. Word of God also says that "they'd never make Jay Garrick a villain", so there may be another, Real Jay, who had his identity stolen by Zoom long ago.
- Zoom and Jay Garrick were in the two distinctly different places when Zoom put a vibrating hand through Jay's chest. We know speedsters can create speed mirages, but by all appearances, these mirages don't actually have physical bodies, which would mean that Zoom could not physically interact with one the way he did with "Jay's" lifeless form. Also, Zoom wouldn't consider the loss of such a mirage a "complication", since he could just make another one. So how is what we saw possible? Doom Zoom and "Jay" happen to just be twins? Maybe, but here's another explanation: "Jay" is Everyman from Earth-2 and Zoom forced him into service the way he did to other metahumans. However, his role was different. Zoom wanted to be able to travel to Earth-1 and spy on the team without them knowing who he was. What better way to gain their trust than to pose as another Flash? He went to Earth-1, called himself Jay Garrick, and told them a made-up story about how he'd lost his speed fighting Zoom. But of course, he couldn't be on Earth-1 all the time or he couldn't control the population of Earth-2, so when Zoom needed to be elsewhere, he had to enlist a body-double to be "Jay." Enter the Everyman of Earth-2, the ultimate stand-in.
- Time remants were used as doppelgängers
Jossed: Zoom confirms that Time Wraiths are agents of The Speed Force, which would also explain why the Time Masters don't seem to have any issues with them.
- Confirmed
- Zoom is Wells' daughter, Jessie "Quick."
- Now officially Jossed.
- Zoom is Earth-2 Barry and the true Evil Counterpart to our Flash. Possibly hinted at in Season 2 Episode 2 where they mention that Barry on an alternate Earth could be doing something completely different. From a more meta perspective, the season so far seems to resolve around evil counterparts of various people being brought to central city to kill the Flash, so it might make sense for the Big Bad to be the Evil Counterpart of the main protagonist.
- Another point in the favor of this theory is that in one of the promos for Season 2, Barry is seen with BLUE lightning instead of the usual yellow. The fact that he uses (or will be able to use) the same color of lightning as Zoom has to be important.
- Also worth noting is that, in The Flash Annual #3, "Slip," there is a Barry Allen, wearing a dark suit and emitting blue lightning, who comes from twenty years in the future, having failed to prevent the death of Wally and a spine injury suffered by Iris in a car accident. Guilt-ridden, he decides to use his speed to go back in time and kill his past self so that none of this will come to pass. Season 2 could very well be an adaptation of this story.
- Also noteworthy is that in the previews for "The Darkness and the Light," Wells-2 says that he created Zoom, much like Eobard created The Flash in Season 1.
- Furthermore, as demonstrated by Atom Smasher and Doctor Light, the Earth-2 metahumans brought to Earth-1 are driven to kill their counterparts. Zoom's overarching goal is to kill Barry, so...
- After beating Barry near to death in their fight in "Enter Zoom", he refers to himself as "The Fastest Man Alive."
- Though that could be nothing more than Zoom boasting that Barry will never live up to his self-proclaimed title so long as he's around.
- After defeating Barry, Zoom drags him all over town to publicly humiliate him, but only removes his mask when he gets to STAR Labs... in front of people who already know who Barry is. Maybe it's nothing, or maybe Zoom doesn't want Barry Allen's face associated with a speedster. If he really is Earth-2 Barry, he could be protecting his own identity, rather than caring about our Barry.
- It should also be noted that he didn't fall for the bait (Linda as Doctor Light) that Barry laid for him, specifically because it's something he would do.
- Jossed. We get to see Earth-2 Barry in "Welcome to Earth-2" and he's not a metahuman at all, much less Zoom.
- The Barry of Season 2 is Zoom himself and the Barry Allen of Season 1 is stuck in the Speed Force. The giving of the handkerchief, Barry's attitude towards Jay, his killing, pushing away of others, and how he feels off all seem to point to something might be different for our Barry.
- Jossed
- Zoom is Cisco from Earth-2. When Cisco touched the sand in "Flash of Two Worlds," he saw into the villain's lair, a place it's likely that only Zoom could be. Also, Zoom is shown to be able to travel between dimensions, something no normal speedster has been able to do yet. This could be a side effect of vibrating powers, as could super speed. Plus, having Cisco and Caitlin be the two villains would be a power pairing.
- Later episodes establish that when Cisco vibes he can additionally scope out places he physically has not been to, and Zoom is simply using the breaches to cross dimensions like the other Earth-2 metahumans. Also, the Cisco of Earth-2, Reverb, was killed by Zoom in "Welcome to Earth-2" (in the exact same manner as the Reverse-Flash killed Cisco, no less) for trying to usurp him and, more importantly, not following the order to keep Barry unharmed, so unless it was another speed mirage trick like the one the Reverse-Flash used, this one is all but Jossed.
- Definitely Jossed as of "King Shark."
- Zoom is Patty Spivot. She first showed up with remarkably convenient timing in regards to the villains from Earth-2, said that she's been on the force seven months, which would be around the same time frame as the initial wormhole, and she's obsessed with getting onto the metahuman task force (i.e. closer to the Flash). Not to mention that when Sand Demon captured her, she almost seemed to be egging him on, getting him even more eager to take on the Flash. The Zoom costume could easily mask her size and voice, especially since it's been explicitly described as "demonic" by the producers.
- Jossed, she was seen in the same room as Zoom.
- So was Harrison Wells with the Reverse-Flash back in Season 1; speedsters are good at that little "being in two places at once" trick.
- But they were in the same room the whole time. Patty was in the room before Zoom showed up and remained there after he let.
- It could simply mean she's that fast.
- The same happened with Wells and the Reverse-Flash — Wells was in his wheelchair, after the Reverse-Flash hologram was triggered he turned up as the Reverse-Flash, knocked some people down (including, apparently, Wells) and then left again.
- Jossed
- Jossed, she was seen in the same room as Zoom.
- Edward Clariss
- Jossed
- Eddie Thawne
- Possible proof: In "Enter Zoom," Zoom laughs off Barry's taunt that Zoom wants to be a hero by saying "heroes die." Who'd know that better than a guy who already pulled a Heroic Sacrifice?
- The fact that Eobard Thawne is returning leads credence to this theory also. Although it's possible Eobard's from Earth-2 now because Eddie has crossed worlds.
- Eobard is still from Earth-1 as far as one can tell. "The Reverse-Flash Returns" is simply a Stable Time Loop that sets up the events of Barry's backstory and the entirety of S1, despite the timeline Eobard that hails from having been erased and the time-space continuum somehow allowing Eobard to continue to exist and play out his role so that said timeline can end up being erased in the first place. If your brain hurts reading that, it's ok; you're not alone.
- Sure, Hunter Zolomon exists in this universe, but who's been fulfilling his traditional role as the young cop who befriended the Flash's alter ego? Basically, this Troper believes that Eddie has always been the show's answer to Hunter Zolomon since the beginning, his eventual transformation into Zoom included; meanwhile, the Zolomon that is Jay's doppelganger is no more than a red herring. And how does he transform into Zoom, you ask? Well, Eddie's body being sucked into the singularity in the Season 1 finale can't be highlighted for no reason at all...
- Jossed
- Additionally, the man in the iron mask that Zoom holds captive in his lair might be Earth-2's Eddie. We get to see that he has blond hair, and Zoom must have a good reason for going to such extreme to keep the man's identity unknown.
- Johnny Quick of Earth-3
- Jossed unless Earth-3 Jay Garrick goes by Johnny Quick.
- Black Flash
- The dark-colored suit and desire to become the only speedster could be re-imaginings of the Black Flash's costume and its role as an aspect of death for those connected to the Speed Force, but considering there was a storyline shortly after Barry's return in the comics where Zoom created a Negative Speed Force and killed the Black Flash, forcing Barry to take up its mantle in the process for a time, Zoom's probably not meant to be the Black Flash unless this somehow ties into the above "Zoom is Earth-2 Barry" theory (which would make Zoom a fairly convoluted three-way Composite Character between Barry, Hunter Zolomon, and the Black Flash).
- The Season 2 finale heavily implies that Zoom will indeed become the Black Flash. Confirmed as of S2 of Legends of Tomorrow, where it turns out Zoom is now the Black Flash and is tasked with chasing down the time remnant of Eobard Thawne.
- The dark-colored suit and desire to become the only speedster could be re-imaginings of the Black Flash's costume and its role as an aspect of death for those connected to the Speed Force, but considering there was a storyline shortly after Barry's return in the comics where Zoom created a Negative Speed Force and killed the Black Flash, forcing Barry to take up its mantle in the process for a time, Zoom's probably not meant to be the Black Flash unless this somehow ties into the above "Zoom is Earth-2 Barry" theory (which would make Zoom a fairly convoluted three-way Composite Character between Barry, Hunter Zolomon, and the Black Flash).
- Future Barry
- Jossed unless Future Barry looks like Teddy Sears
- A puppet telepathically controlled by Grodd
- The New 52 Reverse-Flash
- Given the revelation that Iris' mother had a son, who might turn out to be Daniel West, this seems very likely.
- Not exactly. Francine's son is Wally himself, who will eventually end up as Kid Flash sometime down the road. This makes Wally a Composite Character of himself and Daniel, but the chances of Wally ending up as as a villain are slim unless it's supposed to be his Earth-2 counterpart, and even then, that's not all too likely either. (There is a compelling argument that Zoom may be some incarnation of Wally, however.)
- Jossed
- Given the revelation that Iris' mother had a son, who might turn out to be Daniel West, this seems very likely.
- Cobalt Blue
- Jossed
- Bart Allen
- Jossed
- Henry Allen of Earth-2
- Case in point, Zoom's eyes and head shape◊ looks familiar...◊ Anyway, if he's not Henry Allen's Evil Twin, he'll likely be the adaptation of the Future!Barry Allen from the New 52 (I think the one already mentioned above) who went mad after failing to save Wally. Having the actor of a character's father also portray him in his elder years is not unheard of. Plus, it'll be awesome to see John Wesley Shipp in a (different, but still) Flash costume again and dish it out with his successor.
- That would explain why they had Henry move away from Central City: so, come the reveal, the audience won't be confused by two different characters (Henry and Future!Barry) played by the same actor.
- Alternatively, Henry Allen lost his wife and son in Earth-2. Explains why Zoom did not kill Barry. Would explain the awkwardness and emotional detachment when he returned.
- In "Welcome to Earth-2", it turns out that Nora is still alive and is currently on vacation in Atlantis with Henry, which rules this particular train of thought regarding Henry = Zoom. (Unless we're going with speed mirages again, or Henry is zooming back and forth between Central City and Atlantis. Both are unlikely, but not impossible.)
- Jossed
- Case in point, Zoom's eyes and head shape◊ looks familiar...◊ Anyway, if he's not Henry Allen's Evil Twin, he'll likely be the adaptation of the Future!Barry Allen from the New 52 (I think the one already mentioned above) who went mad after failing to save Wally. Having the actor of a character's father also portray him in his elder years is not unheard of. Plus, it'll be awesome to see John Wesley Shipp in a (different, but still) Flash costume again and dish it out with his successor.
- Eddie Thawne of Earth-2
- Hunter Zolomon, as in the comics. A man who somehow was transformed into Zoom by the Harrison Wells of Earth-2.
- Confirmed, details aside
- Earth-2's version of Farooq Gibran. In his debut episode, a big deal was made out of his ability to drain Barry's speed, with Eobard even drawing his blood in hopes of figuring out how he did it, but nothing came of it in Season 1. This could have been a subtle foreshadow for the reveal that Earth-2's version of Farooq is actually Zoom. The particle accelerator still gave him his Blackout abilities, but he managed to not only drain the Speed Force from speedsters, but access it himself and use their Super-Speed. This is why he's really going after speedsters: He doesn't just want to be the only speedster, he's doing this to make himself faster.
- Or keep himself alive.
- Jossed
- Or keep himself alive.
- Earth-1 Barry Allen... The one that traveled back in time to prevent the Reverse-Flash from killing his younger self. By telling "our" Flash not to interfere with the event without knowing why "our" Flash went here in the first place, he managed to destroy his timeline and somehow ended in Earth-2. It would explain why he's so much stronger than Season 2 Barry: He has way more experience.
- Jay Garrick. See WMG above about how Jay still has his speed.
- He also disappeared right before the fight with Zoom. Where did he go?
- Additionally, he and Zoom are never seen together in Season 2, except when Jay explains how he emerged in Earth-1. If he were Zoom, and therefore was lying, then he probably killed the real Jay Garrick of Earth-2.
- Following the reveal that the "Jay Garrick" of Earth-1 is named "Hunter Zolomon" (Zoom in the comics), it may well be that Jay-2's real name is Hunter Zolomon, since no other character has had different names on the different Earths.
- Another possible hint is how Jay mentions to Caitlin in "Welcome to Earth-2" that he wasn't satisfied with being the Fastest Man Alive and looked into ways to increase his speed, much like how Zoom wants the Speed Force all to himself. Of course, Jay then reveals that taking Velocity-6 was what actually stole his speed, so it's up to the viewer to decide if that's the truth or a matter of misdirection.
- Jossed unless time travel is involved. Jay and Zoom were in different universes at the same time while the Speed Cannon was damaged.
- Word of God is that the Jay who was interacting with the team all season (except for the one who was killed by Zoom) was indeed Zoom, and he was therefore traveling between Earth-1 and Earth-2 before the Speed Cannon was even built.
- Confirmed AND Jossed. The man the team knew as "Jay Garrick" was indeed Zoom the whole time, manipulating them, and a "Jay" that he killed was a Time Remnant of Zoom, much like Eobard's Time Remnant. However, Word of God from Berlanti says that they would never really make Jay Garrick a villain, so we have to "keep watching". The Real Jay Garrick may have been a completely differently-looking person that "Our Jay" stole his identity from.
- A future version of Jay Garrick
- The present version of Jay is as heroic as he says he is. However, before the portal to Earth-1 was opened, he always considered himself to be the fastest man alive. Realizing there other speedsters much faster than he is will make him become more and more jealous, and in the future he will take more and more of the Velocity drug to become as fast as Barry, Wally, Jesse, etc. However, the usage of the drug will have a corrupting effect on both his personality and physique, and he will become Zoom. At this point he is fast enough to travel back in time, so he travels back to a point where the portals are about to open but Barry hasn't yet reached his full potential, and other speedsters (Wally, Jesse) haven't even manifested their powers yet. This makes defeating them and stealing their speed much easier than it would be in time period Zoom comes from, where they are much more powerful.
- If Zoom is future Jay, they can both still appear at the same time, as they did in "Escape from Earth-2".
- This also explains why the man in the iron mask uses the tapping code to spell the word "Jay" to Barry in that same episode. He was trying to tell Barry who Zoom really is.
- After The Reveal in the latest episode, we now know he's most likely some version of Jay. But Zoom's comment seems to support the theory he's a future Jay. He says "this is a complication", because he obviously didn't meant to hurt the past version of him, he just couldn't see who he was attacking through the breach. Either Jay isn't fully dead yet, or Zoom killing his own past self hasn't for some reason created a similar paradox effect as Eddie killing himself did.
- Or the Jay interacting with Team Flash could a Jay from the future,trying to atone for the terrible things he had done as Zoom and stop himself from taking Barry's speed. This could explain why when Zoom kills him, he isn't erased from existence.
- Confirmed, but the time traveling shenanigans are relevant only for one thing: Zoom traveled in time to meet his Time Remnant, whom he convinced to help him provide an alibi for being on both Earths at once after Barry decided to go to Earth-2. E2 Hunter Zolomon donned the identity of both "Jay Garrick the Flash" and "Zoom" to "give people hope, so he could take it away from them". However, Word of God from Berlanti implies that they'd never make Jay Garrick a villain, so we may not have seen how the Real Jay looks like, yet.
- Hunter Zolomon of Earth-2, another, stronger personality within Jay Garrick's head.
- Jossed... maybe?
- It's E2 Hunter Zolomon, but "Jay Garrick" is but an alias he either created, or an identity he stole from somebody.
- Jossed... maybe?
- Wally West. Zoom is shown to have a drug-like addiction to the Speed Force, which is somewhat similar to Wally's deep seated attraction to fast vehicles and racing. The lack of backstory for Zoom would also make sense if they were the same character; Wally's plot would serve as that backstory. Also, Wally's actor could pass for a younger version of Tony Todd, if they chose to use Zoom's voice actor as his actual actor (though apparently the producers have said that Todd is only being used for Zoom's voice).
- Wally being Zoom might provide an additional motive for Zoom killing Deathstorm in "Welcome to Earth-2", since Deathstorm killed his father
- Jossed... maybe?
- Hunter Zolomon is a Red Herring.
- Zoom is Jay's speed. As a side effect of Velocity-6, Jay's speed spit off into a separate entity, along with Jay's desire to be faster. So when Jay said Zoom stole his speed, he was right, he just doesn't know it.
- Following the latest reveal, he's Hunter Zolomon...of Earth 1...and the future.
- Zoom in the comics works via messing with time itself, with time travel as one of many abilities. Likely, at some point in the future, Barry and Team Flash will work with E1's Hunter (maybe he's a cop and becomes Jay's new partner, maybe Caitlin seeks him out as a means to deal with Jay's death, whatevs), and after a while becomes close enough to be trusted by the team with Barry's ID, but during it he gets injured somehow (maybe, in a twist of irony, by Zoom himself), and, when they refuse to use any means to help him recover, he goes behind their backs and does something that grants him powers (maybe he triggers the Particle Accelerator, causing another Mass Empowering Event that also grants Wally and Caitlin metahuman powers) and also re-opens the breaches, turning him into Zoom. Realizing the irony, he battles the Flash and during the fight they end up hurtling back through time-and-space, ending up in Earth 2's original Particle Accelerator event. During the fight Barry gets tossed back to the prsent, but Hunter goes on to become Zoom.
- Adding to this, Zoom wears a modified version of the E1 Flash suit, despite the fact Jay wears a different suit and has no reason why it should look like that.
- Jossed. He's not Jay's speed, he's Hunter Zolomon from Earth 2, who pretended to be Jay Garrick the whole time.
- Zoom in the comics works via messing with time itself, with time travel as one of many abilities. Likely, at some point in the future, Barry and Team Flash will work with E1's Hunter (maybe he's a cop and becomes Jay's new partner, maybe Caitlin seeks him out as a means to deal with Jay's death, whatevs), and after a while becomes close enough to be trusted by the team with Barry's ID, but during it he gets injured somehow (maybe, in a twist of irony, by Zoom himself), and, when they refuse to use any means to help him recover, he goes behind their backs and does something that grants him powers (maybe he triggers the Particle Accelerator, causing another Mass Empowering Event that also grants Wally and Caitlin metahuman powers) and also re-opens the breaches, turning him into Zoom. Realizing the irony, he battles the Flash and during the fight they end up hurtling back through time-and-space, ending up in Earth 2's original Particle Accelerator event. During the fight Barry gets tossed back to the prsent, but Hunter goes on to become Zoom.
- Alternative theory: He's Hunter Zolomon of Earth 2, instead.
- Contrary to Jay's claim, Hunter of Earth 1 isn't his counterpart, but that of his brother, who was given up at birth and raised by the Zolomons. At some point, Jay and him found each other and reconnected (though Hunter retained resentment towards him for not being abandoned), and when Jay became the Flash, Hunter was instead left in a coma an didn't awake for some time (which fuelled Jay's resentment of Wells), and when he did, he had powers similar to Jay's. His resentment for his brother lead to him becoming his Reverse-Flash, Zoom. He's since tried to ruin everything Jay stood for, hunting him as much as he could and terrorizing the city.
- And, adding to this, the man in the iron mask is Jay's father (note, the man appears quite old, if you look at his hands thy appear aged), Jay Garrick Sr, who Zoom kidnapped and punished as a means of gaining revenge for being abandoned. When freed, he'll explain all the details about this and, in order to fight Zoom, he'll take Velocity 9 like his son did, and take up his mantle of The Flash to get justice for his son, becoming a more typical version of Jay Garrick classic (being an older man).
- The Twin Theory is Jossed, but the person Team Flash knew as "Jay" was Hunter Zolomon, Zoom, the whole time.
- Contrary to Jay's claim, Hunter of Earth 1 isn't his counterpart, but that of his brother, who was given up at birth and raised by the Zolomons. At some point, Jay and him found each other and reconnected (though Hunter retained resentment towards him for not being abandoned), and when Jay became the Flash, Hunter was instead left in a coma an didn't awake for some time (which fuelled Jay's resentment of Wells), and when he did, he had powers similar to Jay's. His resentment for his brother lead to him becoming his Reverse-Flash, Zoom. He's since tried to ruin everything Jay stood for, hunting him as much as he could and terrorizing the city.
- Another alternative theory: Zoom is Jay Garrick's Split Personality.
- We've seen that when Eliza Harmon took Velocity-9, she developed an alternate, evil personality called Trajectory who is addicted to super-speed. In the same way, Jay took Velocity-9 and developed his own alternate personality: the evil speedster Zoom. The difference is that while Eliza is aware of Trajectory, Jay doesn't know what's going on.
- Jossed. E2 Hunter Zolomon, the person Team Flash knew as "Jay" knew exactly what was going on, and even convinced one of his time-traveling remnants to help him provide an alibi for being on both Earths.
- It's... complicated. "Jay" was Zoom all along. When Barry decided to go to Earth Two, Zoom understood that he won't be able to appear on both Earths at the same time. He still tried, but, when it was time to finally confront Barry and the gang, while "Jay" was supposed to be sleeping, Zoom did a time travel trick, contacted a time remnant of his own, and convinced him to die before the eyes of Team Flash, giving Barry motivation to avenge "Jay" and increase his speed. "The complication" referred to the breach being closed, as without a Vibe/Reverb of his own Zoom could not reopen it to Earth One. Man in the Iron Mask is the real Jay Garrick, but he's a separate person altogether and doesn't even look the same.
- To add to this, the final battle between Barry and Zoom!Jay could take them to Earth-3, where Barry will get arrested as Johnny Quick by Officers Snart and Rory. On his way home, he will take a detour through National City.
- The detour bit is jossed, the National City tour takes place in Episode 18.
- Jossed. He's Hunter Zolomon from Earth-2, who took on the identity of both Zoom and Flash "to give people hope, so he could take it away from them".
- However, Jay Garrick, the real speedster that Zoom stole his name from, is indeed from Earth Three.
- Jossed.
- He's a rather different man. His parents were killed by a mugger when he was young, and he's always had this weird connection to bats...
- Tempting, but rather unlikely given where the rights to the character are currently.
- Oliver died on the island in Earth-2. Alternative identities of the Arrow:
- Robert Queen
- Confirmed as of S2E6 "Enter Zoom", although Robert apparently never moved past The Hood. This effectively josses everything else in this folder.
- Slade
- Tommy
- Sara
- Shado
- Thea
- Robert Queen
- Oliver fully embraced the Al Sah-Him identity and is the leader of the League of Assassins.
- Oliver is more of an adventurer, The Cape right from the very beginning, who fights crime because it's more thrilling and purposeful than being Idle Rich or running his company. Pretty much what Green Arrow was like in the comics during the Golden Age and Silver Age.
- Connor Hawke
- Rick Flag Jr.
- While it was already revealed that Robert Queen assumed the identity of the Arrow, keep in mind a lot of what happens on Earth-2 is a parallel to what happens on Earth-1. On Earth-1, the identity of the Arrow was revealed to be Roy to the public (which Roy did to protect Oliver). Keeping in mind it mentioned Robert as being "The Arrow", there might still be someone on Earth-2 who took up the moniker of "Green Arrow" after Robert was arrested, similar to what Oliver does on Earth-1.
- Perhaps Oliver is actually still alive, and hasn't returned yet. When he does, he'll find out about his fathet's crusade and set out to continue it, becoming the E2 Green Arrow.
- They specified that their Atlantis never sank, which means they're probably still a Magitek society.
- Adding to the above, "Jay Garrick" who crossed over to Earth-1 is actually The Rival, Golden Age version of Reverse-Flash. He is obsessed with Flash to the point that he performed cosmetic surgery to look like him with the eventual intention of replacing him altogether. He doesn't have a connection to the Speed Force, instead relying on Velocity drug to give himself temporary powers — that's why he is of no interest to Zoom, which brings us to the conclusion — he is working with Zoom to make Barry faster, and in exchange Zoom gets rid of the real Jay Garrick for Rival to take his place.
- The masked man also seemed to react violently to Barry's mention of Jay. Maybe he wanted to shout something like "He's not Jay Garrick! I am!" if he could actually speak.
- It would make sense. But I don't think it's Hunter, but rather an evil clone (from Earth-2) who wants to get faster than the original, Jay Garrick, and I think he and Zoom are somewhat working together. This is definitely something for the Rival.
- Word of God confirms that the Jay who's been interacting with the team all season (or at least the guy calling himself Jay) is indeed Zoom.
- Still doesn't reveal who the man is.
- That doesn't follow though, Zoom carried Jay's body back to his Zoom Cave before unmasking himself, there'd be no need to do that if Jay wasn't a separate person. Team Flash now certainly believe Jay to be Zoom, but there's clearly more to it than that.
- Not really. Per 2x19, the man that the team knew as "Jay" was indeed Zoom, and the dead person is a Time Remnant version of his that he pulled up to help him maintain an identity on both Earths when Barry decided to go to Earth 2. However, Masked Man may still be The Real Jay Garrick that Zoom stole an identity from, however The Real Jay may not even look like Teddy Sears.
- In Zoom's lair, Jesse's cell has bars, while both the masked man and Barry's cells have the special glass which he couldn't phase through, hinting that the masked man is also a speedster.
- Now, as of Rupture, we know that 'Garrick' is Henry Allen's mother's maiden name. Most likely, due to differences between the world, Earth 2!Henry Allen took his mother's maiden name and goes by 'Jay' (maybe short for a middle name, or his parents named him that instead, or he's Henry's brother/Barry's uncle), and he's the real Earth 2 Flash (who was taken out and replaced early by Zoom). It'd be a great way to have John Wesley Shipp as the Flash again and get a Jay Garrick who's actually visible Older and Wiser, not to mention probably the only way Barry will be able to trust anyone claiming to be Jay Garrick.
- Confirmed, though not exactly right. He is the original, heroic Jay Garrick, as well as Henry Allen's doppelganger, but he's actually from Earth-3.
- Confirmed, albeit not exactly as described: the man in the mask is Jay Garrick of Earth-3, who was captured by Zoom and held captive while Zoom ran around using Jay's identity. He is not, however, a doppelganger of Zoom/Hunter Zolomon, but rather of Henry Allen.
- Everyone and everything shown in the portal on the way to Earth-2 has already appeared (Connor Hawke, Supergirl, Jonah Hex, The Legion Ring and Grood) so far except for him.
- He is imprisoned in the same type of prison Barry was locked into, suggesting that he is also a speedster.
- In relation to the above, Zoom is after speedsters.
- Zoom replied "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" when Barry asked about the masked man's identity.
- Combining this with the Jay Garrick WMG listed above - the Flash from the 90's TV show is actually the Henry Allen of that earth (who happened to be named 'Barry; maybe its a name that runs in the Allen family). Decades after the events of the TV show, Flash ends up stuck on Earth 2 after inadvertantly travelling there. He adopts the cover identity of 'Jay Garrick' - Jay after his deceased brother, and Garrick being his mother's maiden name as E1 Henry recently revealed. At some point, he comes into contact with Zoom, who eventually imprisons him and steals his identity.
- Maybe the Henry of that universe is actually named Barry, and so is his son
- What if the man in the iron mask is an older version of barry of earth 2
- Jossed. The Man in the Iron Mask is not the 1990s series Flash. But they are both played by the same actor.
- Jossed, but he is played by the actor who played Barry Allen in the 1990s Flash series.
- Supergirl will be integrated into the DCW.
- Dead characters may return, such as...
- Ronnie Raymond
- Eddie Thawne
- The Reverse-Flash
- Henry Allen
- Harrison Wells (the original Earth-1 version)
- Nora Allen (obviously)
- Tess Morgan
- Good characters may become evil, or vice versa.
- Captain Cold may become Citizen Cold, a la the Flashpoint comic.
- Likewise, the rest of the "Rogues" (Heatwave, Golden Glider) will be Cold's partners fighting against crime in Central City.
- An Earth-1 Killer Frost.
- Caitlin becomes the one locked in the Particle Accelerator instead of Ronnie, becoming Killer Frost.
- Robert Queen is the Hood akin to Thomas Wayne as Batman; he will use Dual Wield handguns rather than a bow and arrows.
- Or he'll use more lethal arrows.
- Francine West will not leave Joe West and Iris West: Wally West will be born into the family. Furthermore, Francine won't be diagnosed with cancer.
- Or Joe ends up being the one who leaves the family/dies, leaving Iris to be raised by Francine, and because she's an addict, Iris and/or Wally end up addicts or even criminals.
- Amanda Waller is President of the USA, and a little nicer. Just like in Justice League: Gods and Monsters.
- Or Slade Wilson (despite being Australian in the Arrowverse), similar to his role in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
- Wilson would become president is if things gotten so bad that they'll even allow worthy candidates who aren't natural-born Americans.
- Captain Cold may become Citizen Cold, a la the Flashpoint comic.
- Gang wars between super-criminals and metahumans.
- World War III takes place, instigating it is the Secret War between the League of Assassins and HIVE.
- OMAC will launch the nuclear missiles. The fallout will be known as the "Great Disaster".
- Because Green Arrow is the closest the Arrowverse has got to Batman and it could be similar to what happened in Flashpoint.
- Does that mean we'll get to see Moira Queen as the Dark Archer, a la how Martha Wayne became The Joker in Flashpoint? I sure hope so.
- Why not? That sounds awesome, and an interesting look at Moira's character.
- Does that mean we'll get to see Moira Queen as the Dark Archer, a la how Martha Wayne became The Joker in Flashpoint? I sure hope so.
- Except it's not the destruction of Earth-2, it's the destruction of The Multiverse, ala Crisis on Infinite Earths. When the season is said and done, there will only be one Earth. The history will be mostly the same, but it will now be home to all the characters we've seen from the Multiverse so far (Jay Garrick, Harrison Wells of Earth-2, Jesse Quick, Alternate!Connor Hawke, Alternate!Jonah Hex, and Supergirl), plus anyone else the writers want to add. Krypton will have existed and been destroyed on Earth-1 and the entire history of Supergirl (2015) will become part of the shared history of the Arrowverse.
From a narrative standpoint, this will make it easier on the writers when they want to do crossovers and bring in recurring characters who are currently living on other Earths, since they won't have to make up an excuse for a character to jump dimensions every time they want to do that.
- Actually, at the moment, a multiverse is the writers' best excuse for not having regular crossovers. People are already irritated enough by the fact of limited crossover events for Flash and Arrow? I get that Flash was busy with Zoom and that's all well and good. But seriously, did his group not get the heads up that the world was going to be devastated by a nuclear strike. Could they not have at least mentioned it? This is also a reason Flashpoint can't possibly take on an entire season. If the Flash goes through an entire season in Flashpoint, it would require Arrow to do the same.
- I don't think they're going to have Flashpoint have the fallout of Crisis. The destruction of Earth-2 will happen due to whatever the plot of Season 3 is, although there is some clear universe damage going on in the vibe. Word of God has confirmed that the next season villain will not be a speedster. It's my personal theory that Crisis will not get adapted before Gotham's Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, because you'd have to be out of your flipping mind to create an Earth-1 in which Barry Allen's Flash and Green Arrow, as well as others like The Atom and Hawkgirl, started appearing long before Batman. It makes more sense for this world to lack a Batman. If they merged the Earths now, we'd have a child Bruce Wayne at the same time Green Arrow has been at this for ages. That would completely ruin that universe's mythos, because just imagine a universe in which Barry Allen, Green Arrow and many more have a decade or more of experience when Batman appears on the scene. Even the New 52 didn't screw up that badly. That said, we know Wayne Enterprises exists in the Arrowverse thanks to Thawne's newspaper. More importantly, we know it's merging with Queen Inc, which means that for some reason either Bruce Wayne bought out Queen Inc, which implies things are seriously bad on Team Arrow, or that Queen Inc bought out Wayne Enterprises, and Bruce Wayne as we know him would never allow anyone to buy Wayne Enterprises for numerous reasons. A Bruce Wayne that knows Ollie wouldn't buy Queen Inc unless he was asked, and vice versa, especially if Bruce were basically a novice in comparison to Ollie. If the text weren't just some other random article copied in there we'd know, but the CG artists and writers were both lazy and stupid since they forgot we could read it thanks to HD and there's no way people won't try to read any snippet of information on Batman in the Arrowverse. Plus it wrecks our Willing Suspension of Disbelief. But, that headline regardless is odd, and implies that either something goes REALLY bad for Ollie by 2024 in the original timeline, or something is seriously wrong with the Arrowverse Bruce Wayne. Either way, I think the plan is for Gotham's Bruce to become Batman, and then adapt Crisis to get them all in one universe. I think the Wayne family of the Arrowverse is intact. The fact that the League is a part of the Arrow mythos here further implies that Batman's not around, along with all the stuff that's happened to it. Basically, if they tried to bring Batman in without Crisis, they'd wreck Batman's character and mythos, because he's supposed to have the role given to Arrow in this one.
In that particular comic we find out the original Wally West was stuck in the Speed Force following Flashpoint and had been trying hard—and failing—to get back. His explanation for being there was largely due to his running to the edge of the timeline to find out what caused the Flashpoint to occur. It's made unclear when this occurred, since doing so trapped him and slowly erased him from history. However, it could be possible that the remnant of the unaltered timeline lingered long enough for Wally to run into the Speed Force to look for Barry, only to get trapped when the Cosmic Retcon occurred. Also note, it was revealed in the same comic that pre-Flashpoint and post-Flashpoint are the same Earth, with post-Flashpoint being a severely altered timeline of New Earth/Earth Prime due to history being written over if not completely wiped (a.k.a. "stolen time").
Something similar can happen to the show. Barry goes missing and Cisco begins Vibing all sorts of abnormalities in the fabric of the universe and starts noticing signs of their existence being threatened. It'll take maybe half a season for him to figure out the source, or less, and the rest can go into trying to get Barry out of the Flashpoint. While Barry experiences life within the Flashpoint, he'll eventually learn that what he did was wrong (due to severely altered events like Robert Queen being a Mafia-leading Green Arrow, or maybe a doppleganger of Kara appearing in the same imprisoned and drained state as Flashpoint!Kal-El—all of which teaches Barry that it's unfair to overwrite his own tragedies when others can't do so for themselves), it takes Team Flash finding a way to kickstart Wally's dormant abilities so that he can follow Barry through the Speed Force so that he can find Barry and take him home. This, of course, is not even considering who the Big Bad in season 3 will be—if any. May or may not be a part of/the source of the four-part crossover regarding all for of the CW's DC shows.
After finding out that things in the new timeline are too different for him to get used to, Barry will travel back in time again (Assuming he still has his speed), and stop his past self from saving his mother. Then he'll also stop his past self from "Fast Enough," which will result in a Stable Time Loop (Sort of).
In the season finale, Zoom admits to a captive Joe that he couldn't steal the real Jay's speed, despite having no trouble taking Barry's. This could be because, like his comic book counterpart, Jay Garrick has no connection to the Speed Force. In addition, Zoom-as-Jay's phony explanation for getting his powers resemble the real Jay's heavy water lab accident, suggesting that he took Jay's origin story as well as his name. This in contrast to Barry and Hunter, considering: both being struck by lightning during a particle accelerator explosion, Barry actually meeting the Speed Force, and Hunter showing no indication of his comic time-based powers but relying purely on speed.
- There is a simpler explanation: Zoom hasn't showed the ability to steal speed on his own, at all. He needed Harry for that. Yes, "Jay" indicated that Zoom just stole his speed himself, but that was a lie, since "Jay" was "Zoom". Without Harry's tech (that he developed only after killing the Turtle), Hunter just couldn't do much but imprison his foe.
In the comic, the Flashpoint story took place Just Before the End, with a war between the Amazons and Atlanteans about to destroy the world. For obvious reasons (most notably budget and not having rights to the characters) this won't happen in the show and the season will be more likely to focus on how the individual characters are different. Furthermore, Thawne dropped some hints throughout Season 1 about the original timeline where Barry's mother lived.
- We know that Barry still eventually became the Flash, but not until 2020. And he also mentions that there were other speedsters.
- He also claimed that the members of Team Flash (specifically Cisco, Caitlin, and Joe) are better off than they would've been without him.
- Additionally, he hints that Wells' wife was still alive during the time of the particle accelerator accident in the original timeline, which could hint that Jesse had an Earth-1 counterpart.
- The United States are in disarray due to two separate forces that are at war with one another. The first being the League of Assassins lead by Nyssa Al Ghul and Shadowspire, lead by a still living Baron Reiter.
- The president of the US is Damien Darhk, who is as evil as ever and has a rebellion against him. The rebellion is spearheaded by Cisco, here a fully realized Vibe and his allies include Blackout (Farooq) and Vixen among others.
- Star City is still called Starling City and is protected by Mister Terrific, a brutal, but technologically brilliant vigilante who fights against the heartless crime boss Quentin Lance with assistance from Winslow Schott, a brilliant hacker and a survivor of...
- National City, which was destroyed by a rocket of alien origin crashed and reduced the city to rubble. It carried Kara Zor-El, who was captured and locked in a lab run by the Danvers and Professor Ivo.
- Hawkman has been brainwashed by President Dahrk to become the leader of a metahuman strike force that includes Sand Demon and Double Down among others.
- Central City has Joe West as the mayor, Iris is dead, Caitlin and Ronnie are assistants to the resistance, Professor Stein runs STAR Labs and tends to a comatose Jefferson Jackson who was struck by lightning, Deathstroke is a merc working for Darhk based in Central, and Hartley and Singh are both lovers and crooks.
- Nora is alive, but is in a wheelchair and Henry was murdered by Deathstroke.
- Oliver Queen is a senator and Diggle is his bodyguard. They live at Monument Point and often work with a business magnate version of Vandal Savage.
- Consider this: Since Nora didn't die in this timeline, Eobard never had any reason to target Harrison Wells, so he and Tess Morgan are still alive. If we assume that Earth-2 Jesse was the product of their relationship in that dimension, then it stands to reason that she would be here too, which would place her in Central City around the time of the particle accelerator explosion, meaning this version could be a metahuman.
- This isssssssssssssssss... Jossed.
- Unlikely. Joe and Wally allude to Henry's recent death. And promos for the next episode show Barry interacting with Felicity who clearly knows him. This suggests that its a timeline very similar to the 'normal' timeline of the show, barring a few subtle changes like the Joe-Iris rift and whatever seems to have happened to put Cisco and Caitlin in a bad place (as per next week's promos).
- Well to be fair, Henry could have died for any reason (Killed by an inmate because he was still in prison for example) and Felicity knew Barry before he became the Flash, so ... maybe, maybe not, the rest of the season will tell as always.
- Jossed. The timeline is the same as the Season 1/Season 2 timeline except for a few changes (Iris not forgiving Joe for hiding the fact that her mother was alive, Dante having been killed by a drunk driver, Barry having worked for a year with Julian Albert etc.).
- Well to be fair, Henry could have died for any reason (Killed by an inmate because he was still in prison for example) and Felicity knew Barry before he became the Flash, so ... maybe, maybe not, the rest of the season will tell as always.
- Jossed. The history of the West family is exactly the same as it was...the only difference is that in this timeline, for some reason, Iris did not forgive Joe for keeping the secret that her mother was alive, which led to them not being on speaking terms.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. We don't know who is Savitar but Ed is dead
- I was actually thinking the exact same thing!
- Lampshaded: In episode "Killer Frost", Iris points out to Barry that Dante might've died in a car crash regardless of what Barry did or undid.
- Confirmed, sort of. While Alchemy's stone was what did it, Wally made the choice to use it.
So now Doctor Alchemy (possibly a splintered consciousness that even Cisco isn't aware of) is utilizing Cisco's cross-dimensional awareness and dimensional-rift-travel powers to empower and/or transport alternate powered versions of Earth-1 individuals here to screw with Barry and the rest of Team Flash. After all, let's face it, this show has a long history of bringing in a sort of trusted ally and turning him into the Big Bad for the season — and Julian Albert is waaaaay too obvious as an antagonist, both literally and meta-wise (they cast freaking Draco Malfoy as Albert, for crying out loud; could the writers be trying any harder to say "Look, magical villain who does villain-y things because, you know, VILLAIN!"), to be the true Big Bad.
Not that this won't stop Barry for trying to put the blame/suspicion on Julian, mind you, because Barry's not that genre savvy. The only way Barry will be able to resolve this — and it could well be that Doctor Alchemy's plan is to end up destroying the Multiverse, just like in Cisco's original apocalyptic vision — will be to go back in time and save Dante.
- Jossed.
He did that in an older version of his origin story and in Young Justice, and Joe did encourage him to not worry and just focus on his studies. He might recreate the experiment with unpredictable results since he's just one ME student.
- Could lead to some interesting development if he ends up either faster or slower than Barry and how he takes to hero work.
- Jossed.
People in Vancouver have stumbled upon the shoot for an unspecified upcoming episode of The Flash, which clearly shows Mark Hamill, but he doesn't quite resemble The Trickster as he appeared back in season 1 and 2—in fact, he now resembles The Joker!
Could Flashpoint have altered the timeline so that this criminal instead takes on The Joker moniker rather than The Trickster? ...Unlikely, I'd say. But hey, it's a possibility!
- That's the Trickster of Earth-3, aka Jay Garrick's native Earth, who just so happens to look like the Joker (sort of an Actor Allusion, ain't it). The whole premise of Earth-3 is almost as if the 90's John Wesley Shipp show continued on to the present day, with all the campiness (and John Wesley Shipp, of course).
- Can't be. In "World's Finest" (the Supergirl crossover episode), Barry's research reveals that there's no Harrison Wells on Kara's earth. Also, HR Wells comes from an earth with a Flash, and in which a war between metahuman armies was waged...none of this applies to Kara's earth either, as far as we know.
- Officially Jossed in the "Invasion!" crossover when Cisco specifically refers to Kara's Earth as Earth-38.
H.R. Wells mentions a partner on Earth-19 who was the real scientific genius behind STAR Labs. Possibilities for his identity-
- Henry Allen. Why not? Maybe on Earth-19, Henry became a scientist instead of a doctor (alternatively, STAR Labs may be more heavily involved in pharmaceutical work). Would give JWS another role to play at some point, which is a bonus...
- Julian Albert.
- Ira West. Maybe on Earth-19, Joe was named "Ira" instead, and became a renowned scientist. This would be a nice Mythology Gag, as in the comics Iris' dad was scientist Ira West.
- Ronnie Raymond. Would lead to yet more drama for Caitlin, if he makes a trip to Earth 1.
- His sister, Helena G. Wells. She also does philanthropic work for a company based in South Dakota.
- All Jossed. HR identifies his partner as a man named Randolph Morgan. We also see the image of his face, confirming him as not being a differently doppelgänger of Henry, Julian, Joe, or Ronnie.
- Jossed.
Because obviously the change in Savitar's design so that his identity is unknown (If he even has one, that is) means he will turn out to be someone significant. The previous season showed Barry becoming more and more obsessed with getting faster just so he could defeat Zoom, and it's possible he may feel the same way about this new villain who seems even faster and more dangerous than Zoom. What if in another timeline or even the future, he became so obsessed with speed that it would cause him to become the powerful villain.
- Whoever it is, upon revealing himself to Killer Frost she immediately trusted him just seeing his face. The number of men that Caitlin would know enough about to immediately trust when he's claiming to want to help Killer Frost eliminate her Caitlin person would probably be numbered on one hand, and an Evil Barry is probably one of them.
- [[Confirmed with a vengeance
IGN's review of "Magenta" posited the theory that instead of Dr. Alchemy turning Wally into Kid Flash like he was in the Flashpoint timeline, he actually turns Wally into the villainous Savitar. To quote Jesse Schedeen's review:
That said, Wally’s speed envy could bear some interesting fruit in the near future. Given what we know about Alchemy’s motives, it seems only a matter of time until the villain approaches Wally with a Faustian bargain. We know that Savitar is this season’s other major villain. What if Savitar turns out to be Wally? That would be an intriguing turn of events.
- Jossed. Alchemy is working for Savitar.
- Wally could still become Savitar in the future, as Episode 9 reveals Savitar is from the future and was trapped in the speed force by Barry. Savitar, speaking through Julian, revealed that one of Team Flash would betray Barry- which if Wally becomes Savitar, would be true.
- Episode 15 has Wally, driven paranoid by visions of Savitar, open up a portal to the Speed Force to throw away the last piece of the Philosopher's Stone, only to end up being trapped in the Speed Force in Savitar's place as part of Savitar's Batman Gambit. This may or may not lend more credence to the idea.
- Not to mention how Savitar mentions that Barry both helped create him (through the particle accelerator explosion) and he created himself (Savitar created Wally by giving him speed). And then there's the fact that Savitar chooses Wally, not Barry or Jesse, to torment in episode 15. Perhaps Wally will blame Barry for letting him get stuck in the Speed Force, and that resentment combined with the Nightmare Fuel from being stuck in the Speed Force will trigger a Face-Heel Turn. Why is he said to be the first human ever given speed? Well, we already know speedsters can time-travel...
- Jossed, although the last bit is more-or-less confirmed.
The "main" group would be:
- Barry
- Jay
- Jesse
- Wally
- Tanaka Rei: the Japanese Flash who appeared on "Earth-D".
- Danica Williams: the Flash from the Beyond universe.
Seeing as Caitlin should be able to slow every speedster down with her powers (and she did manage to save Barry from Savitar in Killer Frost), she could play an important role in the final fight, after she learns to control her powers better. Vibe in the comics can cut off speedsters from the Speed Force for a brief moment, so it's possible that he will learn how to do this in this season.
Both Caitlin and Cisco in theory have the powers to defeat speedsters and that could be the key in defeating Savitar.
Eobard Thawne is now alive and causing chaos, so unless it's not time remnant shenanigans or they didn't change the rules, Eddie could be alive now. Whatever happened to him after he was sucked in by the singularity, he came back as Savitar and needs Alchemy to fully return.
- Jossed.
- Interesting idea, but Jossed.
Alternatively, Barry will somehow take Cisco back in time to when Dante was still alive so that he can tell his brother that he loves him and have one last goodbye.
Keep in mind that the episode is called "The Present". This is likely a Double-Meaning Title, a play on words meaning both "a gift" as well as "the current place in time" (as opposed to the future, or the past). For the first meaning, that may involve bringing Dante back.
- It also doesn't say either are bad; there's no dialogue, just a brief shot of the two fighting using their powers which could, theoretically, be an Oliver-style full-contact training session. Or they could be fighting Savitar.
- Either way, at the end of "Abra Kadabra", Caitlin has become Killer Frost again.
However, the second option is still a possibility as well—he may be heavily injured, but far more so than Barry was at the end of "Enter Zoom", to the point where he's either in a coma or paralyzed across his entire body.
- Jossed
- The one who will betray: Caitlin seems too obvious a choice because she is Killer Frost. They've implied Cisco's betrayal as well and he certainly has reasons, even if he's ostensibly forgiven Barry. HR Wells is again too obvious. Betrayal might come from a far more unexpected quarter - Joe West. What would cause Joe to betray Barry? Well, what if Iris was in danger and Joe felt Barry was responsible? Given that Barry's now aware that Iris might die in the next five months, what if Joe finds out that Barry knows, turns against him as a result and hopes to take down the Flash to save his daughter's life?
- Seemingly Jossed as of "The Wrath of Savitar" (3x15). Caitlin is the one who betrayed the team, simply by keeping a piece of the Philosopher's Stone for herself, so that she could someday use it to rid herself of her powers.
- The one who will die: This obviously seems to be Iris...as of this episode. Then again, as Jay said, the future isn't written. It could end up being a case of Equivalent Exchange where someone else dies to save Iris, or as a result of the effort to save Iris. Joe again seems a possibility, but given Barry's lost one father already, it isn't that new a direction (and a Joe who has turned against Barry makes for more drama). Could it be that the one who dies is HR Wells? Maybe he proves his worth to the team finally by making a Heroic Sacrifice? Also, in case someone is complaining that this is a re-tread - we've never actually had a Wells who was a major character die. In Season 1, it was actually Thawne who "died" and it was more a case of Ret-Gone than death. The Wells he killed to replace was just part of backstory. And Season 2 Harry Wells is alive and well (pun intended!) So killing an actual Wells who's a heroic character would technically be a new move.
- Jossed by Savitar himself in "The Wrath of Savitar," as he expresses scorn over the fact that a "coward" like HR survives his wrath in the future. Then again, this doesn't preclude the possibility of HR still dying in the effort to save Iris, or sacrificing himself, thus subverting Savitar's prophecy and his denunciation of HR as a coward.
- The one who will suffer a fate worse than death: Caitlin's the obvious choice here if she's forced to use her powers in the battle against Savitar to the extent that she loses herself completely to the Killer Frost persona and becomes a full-blown villain - which would be a Fate Worse than Death indeed for her.
- For all three choices, Wally can be a candidate as well.
- Now that it's known Iris is in danger at the end of the season and Barry is very not-forthcoming regarding training Wally ( there is a sneak peek of episode 10 out, where Wally stops Jared Marillo, the guy Barry saw on the news in his future vision, and Barry is pissed at Wally), it's possible Wally will eventually turn against Barry and join Savitar, maybe for the life of his sister. Why else would Savitar/Alchemy even try to unlock Wally's power, if not to make him an asset of his?
- It would be weird to kill off the future Flash, especially after they just gave Wally his powers, but it's possible. Perhaps Wally pulls off a Heroic Sacrifice to save Iris. Or to save Barry, but he already tried that a few times.
- Wally might be used as a vessel to bring Savitar back permanently. As mentioned above, there must be a reason they wanted Wally to become a speedster like he was in Flashpoint. Savitar could be looking for a speedster with enough power to take over and Wally is better than Barry was when he started.
- This is confirmed in 3x15. Savitar was "inspired" by Flashpoint to turn Wally into a speedster for precisely this reason. Cisco now believes that Wally is the one who "suffers a fate worse than death."
- In "The Once and Future Flash" it's revealed that Wally was so enraged by Iris's death that he took on Savitar alone, had his spine broken—thus lost the use of his legs—and was rendered catatonic by whatever happened. That would qualify as "worse than death". It could also refer to "Into the Speed Force" where Wally was forced to relive the worst moment of his life forever, until Barry got him out and Jay took Wally's place.
- The series could also be Foreshadowing the specific people referenced in the prophecy by who is in the shot when Savitar mentions each part. If that's the case, then Wally will be the one who betrays the team, Cisco will be the one who "falls" (note that Savitar says falls instead of dies, although Cisco does die in the comics before the New 52 reboot), and either Caitlin, Iris, or HR Wells will be the one who suffers a fate worse than death).
- Future Barry: Possibly some version of the original timeline Barry from 2024 who fought Thawne and saved younger Barry in 2000. Its unknown what happened to him after that. Perhaps, after discovering that his original timeline was erased and replaced by 'our' Barry's timeline, this Barry grew bitter and resentful, even delusional, over time. He became more and more powerful, eventually becoming a God. He came to believe that the new timeline Barry 'stole' his life and so started to terrorize him across his timeline, eventually getting trapped in the box. Fun fact - doesn't Savitar at one point say "I'm the future, Flash"? Perhaps he meant to say "I'm the future Flash"! (Or, more realistically, referring to how he's Barry's future, in a sense). Also, its possible that this isn't what originally happened to 2024 Barry, but Thawne somehow did something to this Barry in 2000 (when he and "our" Barry returned there at the end of Flashpoint) that led him to become Savitar.
- For what it's worth, Savitar says the "I'm the future Flash" line twice over the season and neither time do the subtitles include a comma.
- Flashpoint Barry: The Barry who's native to the Flashpoint Barry who "our" Barry replaced/merged with when he created that timeline. Perhaps, somehow, Flashpoint Barry became a separate entity and survived the erasure of that timeline, and now blames Barry for stealing his life and then destroying his world. There's no reason why Flashpoint Barry would not have got powers eventually had the timeline not been erased.
- Pre-Flashpoint Barry: The Barry who was seemingly erased when Flashpoint Reverse-Flash showed up.
- A future version of current Barry: Maybe, much like the comic, Barry goes crazy after Savitar kills Iris and blames himself. He becomes a Knight Templar, and eventually Team Flash is forced to dump him in the Speed Force. After a Time Abyss, Barry eventually masters the Speed Force (becoming its "god") and sheds his human identity. Then he uses the Philosopher's Stone as a conduit to interact with the physical world, which leads to him getting control of Julian and the events of the Season. This neatly explains how he knows so much about Team Flash and their destiny, and also why he hates Future Barry — because he hates himself and knows what he's destined to become, and blames his past self for Iris' death and his eventual fate. The prophecy? The one who dies is Iris and the one who suffers a fate worse than death is Barry himself, or as he eventually comes to be known, Savitar. When Barry asked him who he was, Savitar didn't say "I am the future, Flash"; what he really said was "I am the future Flash."
- "The Wrath of Savitar" (Episode 3x15) provides further evidence in favor of Savitar being a version of Barry. He claims that Barry was responsible for making him the way he is, while in virtually the same breathe claiming that he "created himself" — which taken together implies that he's Barry.
- Though other characters like Wally and H.R. remain popular "candidates," the idea of Savitar being some incarnation of Barry appears the one that generally has the most support at the moment. This Reddit post even suggests that, given all the times Barry is specifically told he is not a god, a recurring theme of various characters have multiple sides to them, and Barry undoing Flashpoint because of Wally's death at the hands of The Rival, Savitar is meant to be a Composite Character of his comic book self and the previously-mentioned Future Flash from The Flash Annual #3.
- And confirmed. Although when this Barry is from is still unknown.
- Jesse Schedeen (IGN's reviewer for The Flash) has this theory as well, so you both might be on to something...
- Jossed
Alternatively, "fall" may actually be in the literal sense of the word—a character will fall a great height and could be seriously injured, for instance, but non-lethally (and if it's a speedster like Barry or Wally, then their Healing Factor will take care of it anyway). Bonus points if that person is H.R. and thus much like the impostor of his Earth-1 counterpart, he needs to use a wheelchair.
- Joe. When he finds out Iris will die, he will go to any length to protect her. Especially if Wally becomes Savitar, Joe would be willing to give his life for Iris's in a second.
- Joe even asked about the prophecy and seems to be wondering if he can change it.
- Caitlin. The goals right now are to save Iris and stop Caitlin from becoming Killer Frost. What if this was actually one solution? If Caitlin dies in Iris's place, she doesn't turn into Killer Frost and performs a heroic sacrifice.
- Confirmed HR took her place
- Joe seems to be considering Savitar's prophecy now that he knows Iris will die. He may be looking for a way to change it to him.
- Confirmed
- Confirmed.
- Savitar does indeed manifest as Francine to Wally in "The Wrath of Savitar." However, the promos for the following episode show that Eddie and Ronnie (and Leonard Snart, for that matter) will in fact be apparitions inside the Speed Force, similar to in "The Runaway Dinosaur."
- Check out the Headscratchers page for this — it's quite possible that they just don't feel that he can help.
- Barry gets to see his parents again, which is always an emotional experience. But more interestingly, he might observe, or even run into, the Barry of this timeline - someone who's fully integrated into Flashpoint and doesn't at all remember being the Flash. This Barry may or may not successfully be pursuing a relationship with Iris, who most likely remembers who he really is and what he's lost by choosing to stay in this timeline.
- The team gets to see a Kid Flash who's more confidant and experienced. Might be interesting for Wally, if he comes along, to meet his doppelganger. If Wally comes along on this trip, then Flashpoint Wally possibly wears another suit (perhaps something resembling comic-book Wally's current 'Rebirth' suit).
- Cisco learns about how he's rich on this earth, and may run into Billionaire!Cisco. Much hilarity ensures! On a more serious note, Dante is most likely alive on this earth, which will lead to another emotional moment.
- The team runs into Flashpoint Leonard Snart AKA 'Citizen Cold', who's one of Central City's heroes on this earth, and has a friendly rivalry with Kid Flash (Wentforth Miller does have that multi-series contract after all...)
- We finally get to see Flashpoint Harrison Wells (giving Cavanaugh a chance to reinvent Wells yet another time!).
- Maybe we finally get to know how metahumans were created in Flashpoint.
- Cisco only vibes to find out why someone was killed.
- While it is true that Iris West-Allen's death and Barry's subsequent journey to the 30th century to rescue his wife, is one of the most earthshattering events in the Flash Mythos, given that the writers have stated the love story between Barry and Iris as one of their favorite plots, as well as the pairing between the two has gained both critical acclaim and love from the fandom chances are she pretty safe to see the morning after. So during the showdown with Savitar, something will detain Wally, (more on that later), from getting to Iris, leading to Joe making a Heroic Sacrifice to save his daughter. In doing so this will no doubt create a rift between Barry, Iris and Wally, setting up a plot thread for Season 4, and that Barry and Iris will no doubt find their way back to one another.
- Julian and Caitlin's relationship will go from mutual attraction to straight out love, and given the writers tract record on making Caitlin's life a living hell, when Savitar returns he will reawaken Julian as Alchemy, who in turn will complete Caitlin's transformation into Killer Frost, and the two will become acolytes in Savitar's cult, pulling those two out of the equation during the showdown with Savitar.
- Also the shots of Vibe and Killer Frost battle from "Shade," will come true that same night, taking Cisco out of helping with the rescue attempt of Iris as well.
- Savitar will prevent from Wally's attempt at saving Iris by throwing him into the Speed Force, and not the recreated Central City version like Barry went too, but the void that Savitar was imprisoned in by the Team, leading to a plot thread of Saving Wally for Season 4, which after coming back and learning about Joe's death he will also break ties with Barry like Iris.
- I was thinking something like this as well. Like, maybe Cisco vibes Killer Frost and ultimately there's a Battle in the Center of the Mind whereby Caitlin faces off against her evil self and wins, ultimately restoring the old Caitlin Snow personality and now letting her use her powers willy-nilly with no more fear of becoming evil.
- The season 3 finale suggests that she no longer wishes to go by either "Caitlin" or "Killer Frost", suggesting this may be a possibility.
- Jossed she doesn't go by Ice and she didn't do an name change from Caitlin to Crystal. Also she kind learned how to accept Killer Frost.
- If Savitar is a future version of Iris, then wouldn't killing her past self cause a time paradox? On the other hand, this show and Legends of Tomorrow never really seems to give a shit about causality or logic when it comes to time travel, so the writers could theoretically pull anything out of their asses. And maybe the Speed Force protects against these paradoxes or something?
- Jossed
- Semi confirmed since it's been implied that someone else before Barry's ill-fated time remant was Saivtar and canonically in the comics another guy was him.
- The possibility of Savitar being a time remnant (whatever the origin) is likely because during the "Eureka!" Moment montage the "time remnants" dialogue is specifically replayed. The full quote itself has an interesting set of Exact Words, which given the way the season has already used such a device ("I am the future, Flash") isn't likely to be an accident.You're even going to create time-remnants of yourself, but he's going to kill them all, mostly.
- A possible scenario is that during the fight with Savitar, one of the time-remnants is disfigured but lives and becomes bitter that no only wasn't Iris saved but that he was created to make a heroic sacrifice that turned out to be meaningless, perhaps by being thrown into a time/space portal where he eventually goes nuts and becomes Savitar during a long period of time-travel through multiple universes (as Jay indicated Savitar had a long history there). Barry becomes the disillusioned 2024!Barry who never finds out that it was a time-remnant he created that eventually became Savitar before he managed to trap him.
- And confirmed (at least Savitar being the time remnant that survived).
- Confirmed, although sadly no Frankenstein quote.
- Now that we know that Savitar is a future version of Barry gone off the deep end, consider a couple of things from earlier in the season. In reaction to the news of her death in the future, Iris said that she wanted to do something good with her life outside of being The Flash's girlfriend (paraphrased; I can't remember the whole line). With that in mind, it wouldn't be at all a surprise if she would sacrifice herself to save someone else. That timeline's Savitar became filled with grief and self-loathing because of his failure to save her, leading him to become obsessed with becoming faster and casting off his attachments to humanity. Remember, in "Into The Speed Force", the Speed Force showed Barry three people who had previously performed Heroic Sacrifices (Eddie, Ronnie, Snart) and tried to drill it into his head that their deaths were not his fault, since they had made their own choices. What better reason for the Speed Force to do that than to try and stop Barry from sinking into self-loathing and becoming Savitar?
- Jossed.
- At the end of the penultimate episode of the season, Savitar appears to successfully kill Iris despite Team Flash's best efforts to stop him. But of course, this is from Barry's perspective and we know he's not in on the full plan. In truth, at some point someone else switched places with Iris using HR's Earth-19 tech. In fact there's a good chance that HR himself was the one who decided to switch places with Iris since he felt it was his fault Savitar found her in the first place. This is also guaranteed to change the future since we know HR is supposed to survive Savitar's wrath.
- This seems to be a common theory, but there's a problem with it: Yes, H.R. felt guilty about accidentally leading Savitar to Iris. But once Savitar got his hands on Iris in Earth-2—presumably the real Iris—then Savitar was with her the whole time until he killed her. How could anyone switch places with her? Unless Harry, Joe, or Wally had already switched places with her on Earth-2 before Savitar arrived...in that case my money is on Harry.
- We see a wide shot of Barry firing the canon and Savitar zooming around, and this is where they could have swapped places just off the screen. That wasn't there in the original timeline. Other changes like Joe taking HR's original spot, so that it's been setup so that HR can conveniently flip places. It also makes sense for HR's arc, after HR being self-conscious about his use for the team throughout, that he'd give up and make the sacrifice. HR has just started a relationship with Tracy Brand, so the audience is meant to feel for them if he dies and she can be his successor. He's looks at a piece of Savitar's armour because Jessie used that to stab Savaiar earlier, and that's when he gets the idea that he can take the stab instead. And Iris doesn't say I love you this time, implying it may not be her. And it's possible that Joe is more subdued with his expression because he saw HR swap places.
- We could see H.R.'s reaction to Iris' death in the extendet promo to the next episode, but it could be just edited to look that way. H.R. looked more concerned than shocked/terrified, so maybe it was the moment when he decided to switch places with Iris
- Major spoiler alert: leaked photos from the set showed us someones' funeral and it isn't Iris', 'cause Candice Patton can be seen on photos. Tom Cavanagh can be seen on photos as well, but that dosen't mean that he played H.R. in those scenes, he could play Harry. He even wears sunglasses, just like Harry did on Henry's funeral.
- That someone other than Iris sacrifices themselves would play into the theme from "Into the Speed Force" when Barry had it knocked into his skull that he had to stop blaming himself when others stepped up and did a Heroic Sacrifice, first by the three dead people the Speed Force manifested as and then by Jay taking Wally's place. Iris being killed by Savitar wouldn't qualify for that because she's a victim in this instance. Someone stepping up and saving her by sacrificing their own life would, and suggests that the Speed Force was preparing Barry not go down a Start of Darkness due to angst over that sacrifice but to respect and honor the choice of the person who did it.
- And confirmed. HR and Iris switched places when HR went to rescue Iris from Savitar and Killer Frost. Iris-disguised-as-HR looked stricken because she'd been knocked out in the rescue attempt, and only got there in time to see HR get stabbed.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed like her doppelgänger she goes by Killer Frost.
- Jossed he managed to keep them
- Seems to be Jossed with the reveal that the new metas were created three weeks ago when Barry returned from the Speed Force
- There were twelve heat signatures present on the bus when Barry came out of the speed force. It stands to reason that one of them was the driver, who was revealed to be dead in Episode 4. Now, they haven't actually given us any information on the driver, and they haven't added him to the board. That means that unless they work him in posthumously, they'll only get eleven metas. If they don't work him in posthumously, then maybe his meta power brings him back to life. Either that, or the real bus driver had his death faked. Or it's all a giant case of Writers Cannot Do Math.
- Jossed
- "Finally, when it comes to Barry’s time in the Speed Force that started this season, Gustin assured us that it matters moving forward. 'That was all very important, everything he said at the beginning of the year.'
- We know that Clifford is slowly dying as his body is giving out while trying to supply enough energy to his brain. Perhaps his endgame is to transfer his consciousness into The Flash, so he finally has a body that can supply enough energy to keep up with his vast intellect...or something stupid like that. Grant Gustin already said that things will take a dark turn in the middle of the year. Body snatching is obviously a very dark theme in fiction. And while the theory I'm proposing here seems to be a very common theory among fans following the episode "Therefore I Am", this may actually end up happening a lot sooner than we might think. Maybe the midseason finale will even end with DeVoe having successfully seized Barry's body, with no one else the wiser (yet). Thus, the back half of season 4 will be exploring this, complete with a new and much creepier Opening Narration. I'm probably getting too far ahead here, but he may even create a time remnant to be the "regular" Barry while he continues his plans as The Thinker in his home with Marlize. As I said earlier, I thought of this theory myself, but others have come up with it as well.
- Partially jossed. He did intend to steal a new body to survive, but it wasn't Barry's. His chosen host was Dominic Lanse for his telepathic abilities.
- The plasticity of Ralph's body is emphasized constantly, and DeVoe's body is failing due to his brain stealing power — specifically, bioelectricity — from the rest of his body. While Flash's body has plenty of electricity to spare, Ralph's body presumably no longer needs it in the first place. With both these options in mind, Flash is obviously the better choice due to powers, but Ralph's is suitable in a stretch.
- Jossed. See above.
- Confirmed Dominic's body wasn't suitable as a forever host.
- Jossed. See above.
- She hasn't betrayed him (yet), but she does begin having second thoughts which DeVoe has sense. So DeVoe (in Becky's body) spiked her drink with the Weeper's tears to keep her in place. Then while they dance, DeVoe dropped his smile as if it was a facade, showing that he's losing his emotional attachment to her.
- In "Null and Annoyed", she realized not only has DeVoe's been spiking her, but he's given the Weeper his powers solely to keep her under his control. She's made recording to warn herself MANY times. But DeVoe caught on and made sure she forgets it again. Then in "Fury Rogue", DeVoe begins to care less of his romantic feelings for his wife, as well as thinking less of her, breaking her heart; making her betrayal likely, though DeVoe sense her distress.
- Strongly confirmed by the finale
- The easy resolution? That despite the Orgy of Evidence, nothing we saw in the midseason finale seriously implicates Barry. Among other things:
- Barry's fingerprints are on the knife, but not on the blood.
- Barry himself supposedly triggered and turned off his apartment alarm within minutes of the police's arrival. This doesn't give DeVoe much time to die, much less for his body to cool.
- DeVoe's body was already dead when stabbed, and the "killing" wound leaves little blood in the apartment, on the victim, or on the presumed killer. An autopsy should presumably confirm.
- DeVoe's body is in Barry's apartment, but no sign of his wheelchair.
- Ultimately, this parade of obvious red herrings suggests the writers wanted DeVoe to slow Barry down or risk exposing the Flash's secret identity, not seriously arrest him. While Barry's history with DeVoe is more than enough to publicly force the police and district attorney into pressing charges, any defense lawyer could pretty easily rip this to shreds with just the information we've already seen on-camera.
- Nope! Unlike both Flashpoint and Barry being trapped in the Speed Force, it looks like the writers for once are willing to let a story arc continue for longer than one episode, at least.
- He and Marlize call it "The Enlightenent". What could it mean, and how have his actions up until now been leading to it? I'm going to take a stab and say it may be something of an Assimilation Plot; much like Apocalypse in X-Men: Apocalypse, his plan involves bodyjacking a telepath and then mentally connecting himself to the entire world, in order to control them. He can't stand the fact that no one else in the world is as smart as him, so he decides to be the author of every one of their lives. This also brings to mind the grand plan of Apocalypse expy Hive from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
- Confirmed.
- It won't be Iris or anyone else sparing him having to take a life this time. In the season finale, it will come down to the wire, and Barry will have no way to stop DeVoe other than outright executing him. DeVoe knows that Barry does not kill and firmly believes he will not break this rule, and it is ultimately this one mistake that ends up defeating him. It will be portrayed in a similar fashion to the finale of Man of Steel, and this decision will weigh on him in season 5. (Also, much like Superman's decision in Man of Steel, this will be very controversial among viewers and reviewers).
- This was discussed in "Lose Yourself", where Ralph is the one who believes that killing DeVoe is the best solution. However, Barry talked him out of it since it'll just make them no different than the villains. When Ralph was given the opportunity, he decided not to. Sadly, DeVoe has taken over his body.
- Barry and Ralph leaving Ralph's mind makes DeVoe have no body, while Marlize unplugs him at the end
- This is a popular theory that's going around—that by the end of the season, the only way we're going to once again see Clifford enact his endgame in his old body is by taking Ralph's powers (and possibly his body as well!), allowing him to shapeshift into his old body. I doubt Ralph will die off this season, as the producers have already stated they want to eventually explore his romance with Sue. But I do think DeVoe will gain Ralph's powers too, at some point. Of course, he won't just shapeshift into his old body, but will also use this power for effective subterfuge and deception against Team Flash.
- Confirmed in "Lose Yourself".
- Jossed no brother is mentioned and her name is Nora plus she came back for a different reason. She is revealed to be Dawn in some capcaity.
- In the Musical Episode last season, the song "I'm Your Super Friend" has Barry tell Kara "I'm not impressed by your more famous cousin", followed by a brief impression of a stuffy and pompous Superman. It's not clear from this when he learned Kara even has a cousin, much less grasp Clark's fame and form a perception of him as uptight. Then in "The Elongated Knight Rises", Cisco is taken aback that Ralph, who has never dimension-hopped and isn't the type to study Team Flash's past cases, doesn't understand a reference to Kryptonite. Conclusion: As seen in the original "Flash of Two Worlds" comic book, and later elaborated in The Multiversity, superhero comics on Earth-1 reflect other Earths. Barry is familiar with Superman as a pop-culture icon, which is also why Pop-Cultured Badass Cisco assumes everyone knows what Kryptonite is.
- Elongated Man (Confirmed)
- Crimson Fox
- B'wana Beast
- Black Orchid
- Detective Chimp
- Captain Atom
- Green Lantern- Hal Jordan obviously if going by prior teases. He could arrive on Earth after having finished his Lantern training and would have to readjust to his life after his disappearance. The story could focus more on the cosmic side of the DC mythos and the overarching plot would be about him investigating non-green power rings that have been going to random people. Plus who wouldn't want to see one of DC's iconic friendships formed.
- Power Girl- Wells notes in Crisis on Earth-X that there's a Kara for every Earth in the multiverse. Her ship gets discovered by the Star Labs crew and Barry mentors her in how to use her powers because Superman hasn't appeared on Earth-1 yet. At one point there will be a discussion about simply sending her to Earth-38 to learn her abilities before she resolves to fight for her Earth.
- Captain Atom- Way back in Season 1 Cameron Scott was mentioned as a contact for Plastique so the trail is there for a full jump. Also it would be a good way of revisiting the General Eiling story and possibly kickstarting a plot about the government going on the hunt for metahumans.
- Aquaman- Atlantis exists on Earth-2 and a deleted scene mentioned Barry looking into a guy that could talk to fish. Aquaman could be looking into how to prevent a war between his kingdom and the surface or he might attack ARGUS to retrive Atlantean artifacts. It would be a good way to bring magic into the show.
- Wonder Woman- Diana was a contact for the Earth-2 Barry, Cheetah was being held by ARGUS, and Themyscira was shown on Legends of Tomorrow. She may show up because of interest in superpowered beings and would also bring magic into the show.
- Zatanna- Would represent magic and is the only Justice League Detroit member to not even be hinted at yet in The 'Verse.
- Red Tornado- Cybernetic based characters haven't really been used fully in The 'Verse and it would be another League member being added to the roster. His story would be about the Morrow of Earth-1 creating the Red series androids and Team Flash having to stop them. It might even incorporate the Tornado Champion angle and thus bring in Adam Strange.
- A version of him appeared in Crisis on Earth-X
- Static- A popular character who represents street level heroes and comes about as a result of an unexplainable metahuman boom.
- A magic season- Magic using villains start arriving in Central City and Team Flash will be taken completely by surprise because this is very out of their wheelhouse. The Big Bad will be Cobalt Blue who has his comic backstory and wants to get revenge on Barry for "stealing" the life he believes should be his.
- Heroes that could appear- Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Wonder Woman, Aquaman. John Constantine could appear here to lend on and off help.
- Villains that could appear- Cheetah, Black Manta, Enchantress, El Diablo, Jinx, Double Down who has gotten a mystical upgrade, Brother Grimm.
- A cosmic season- More cosmic characters appear and warn of an encroaching threat from the stars.
- A Green Lantern focused season where Hal Jordan appears on Earth in search of the Emotional Entities of the Spectrum that empower ring wielders. Or power rings of various colors have arrived on Earth for unknown reasons and Hal has to track them down.
- Heroes that could appear- Guy Gardner, Kilowog, The Guardians of the Universe, Saint Walker, Carol Ferris who becomes a Star Sapphire.
- Villains that could appear- Sinestro, Krona, Atrocitus, Larfleeze, The Sinestro Corps.
- A New Gods focused season that has Mister Miracle and Big Barda appear to warn about Darkseid approaching Earth.
- A Green Lantern focused season where Hal Jordan appears on Earth in search of the Emotional Entities of the Spectrum that empower ring wielders. Or power rings of various colors have arrived on Earth for unknown reasons and Hal has to track them down.
- An espionage focused season- This will follow up on General Eiling's work from Season One in capturing metahumans. The team will have to track down metas to save them from Eiling while fighting a team that he has already put together.
- Heroes that could appear- Captain Atom, a new Firestorm made up of Jason Rusch and Gehenna, Plastique who was resurrected by Barry's time travelling, Rick Flag who is working with the team under orders from Lyta.
- Villains that could appear- Negative Woman
- I second this idea. The promos for the season are heavily building up Cicada to be the Big Bad. One of the main criticisms that both IGN and AV Club mentioned with season 4 during their overall reviews was the fact that, in general, it's extremely difficult for a single antagonist to be consistently compelling if they stick around for a 23-episode story arc; thus, both recommend breaking seasons up into different arcs that each have their own antagonist, just like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. learned to do starting in its second season. At this point I no longer have much confidence in the writers on The Flash to actually learn from their mistakes and write genuinely compelling material, but if I'm wrong about this—which I hope I am—then Cicada will only be the Disc-One Final Boss for the first part of the season, possibly everything up until the mid-season finale. After that, Dr. Thomas Snow may take over as the Big Bad. I know the whole Archnemesis Dad trope has been done to death in fiction (particularly since the 20th century Trope Codifier, Star Wars), but that's because it works. While Eobard Thawne and Hunter Zolomon both became friends and mentors of the heroes before revealing themselves to be evil, thus establishing a clear emotional connection between the heroes and the villain, there's no better a connection than blood relations. Thawne, Zoom, Savitar, DeVoe, Cicada...these are all men who the protagonists had never even met before their story arcs began. But with Dr. Snow, being Caitlin's father, that connection is right there in the backstory, thus potentially providing some real raw emotional material to work with in the hero/villain relationship. I just hope the writers are able to properly take advantage of this, and again, given their track record, I sadly don't have much confidence...but here's hoping anyway! As an added bonus, he could be the first Big Bad to essentially be a Canon Foreigner (assuming no other DC iterations of Killer Frost had her father be an important character in the mythology), as well as potentially the first Big Bad to not be a metahuman.
- We don't know much about Thomas Snow at all, so it's awfully premature to not only assume he's villainous, but that he'd be a better antagonist than Cicada, who we also know very little about yet. Maybe you shouldn't bemoan how terrible a character is compared to one we haven't seen on screen. I mean, what if Thomas is a good guy? Or one of Cicada's victims? What if he's a goofball or a wimp used for comic relief?
- What if he's secretly played by Tom Cavanagh?
- Kyle Secor has been announced for the role well before the season started airing, wise guy.
- I second this idea. The promos for the season are heavily building up Cicada to be the Big Bad. One of the main criticisms that both IGN and AV Club mentioned with season 4 during their overall reviews was the fact that, in general, it's extremely difficult for a single antagonist to be consistently compelling if they stick around for a 23-episode story arc; thus, both recommend breaking seasons up into different arcs that each have their own antagonist, just like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. learned to do starting in its second season. At this point I no longer have much confidence in the writers on The Flash to actually learn from their mistakes and write genuinely compelling material, but if I'm wrong about this—which I hope I am—then Cicada will only be the Disc-One Final Boss for the first part of the season, possibly everything up until the mid-season finale. After that, Dr. Thomas Snow may take over as the Big Bad. I know the whole Archnemesis Dad trope has been done to death in fiction (particularly since the 20th century Trope Codifier, Star Wars), but that's because it works. While Eobard Thawne and Hunter Zolomon both became friends and mentors of the heroes before revealing themselves to be evil, thus establishing a clear emotional connection between the heroes and the villain, there's no better a connection than blood relations. Thawne, Zoom, Savitar, DeVoe, Cicada...these are all men who the protagonists had never even met before their story arcs began. But with Dr. Snow, being Caitlin's father, that connection is right there in the backstory, thus potentially providing some real raw emotional material to work with in the hero/villain relationship. I just hope the writers are able to properly take advantage of this, and again, given their track record, I sadly don't have much confidence...but here's hoping anyway! As an added bonus, he could be the first Big Bad to essentially be a Canon Foreigner (assuming no other DC iterations of Killer Frost had her father be an important character in the mythology), as well as potentially the first Big Bad to not be a metahuman.
- I think that in light of The Icicle Cometh it's fair to say I called it!
- Jessica Parker Kennedy was promoted to a regular in season 5, so this seems likely.
- Possibly Jossed. The SDCC trailer reveals that she is the Arrowverse's version of XS. Also, personality-wise, she seems to be a lot more like Season 1 Barry, than any version of Bart Allen.
Cicada is still obsessed with the Flash in this continuity, and he'll eventually find a way to try to take over Barry's life.
- Cicada will be revealed to be someone originally unimportant from an earlier season (whether they were seen, or mentioned once by name).
- This season's focus on the child of the hero (Nora Allen) will somehow be used against the hero by the antagonist.
- There will be a case of mistaken identity, like how Laurel from Earth-2 pretended to be her Earth-1 doppleganger. Only here, it will be Cicada pretending to be Barry by trying to steal his life while imprisoning his soul somewhere.
- An earlier antagonist who is still alive (Eobard Thawn) will finally be written off the show for good.
- The season finale's cliffhanger will leave the fates of the main characters undetermined.
- While Reddit threats are hardly a reliable news source, it should be mentioned that the upcoming Elseworlds has cast Jeremy Davies as a character referred to in press material as John Deegan, which is awfully close to John Dee, Destiny's real name in the comics. My guess here is that the thread wasn't mistaken about Doctor Destiny appearing but was incorrect in where he'd serve as the villain, with the character appearing as a villain in Elseworlds, not in The Flash. If this is the case, and Deegan is Destiny, than it's unlikely that Thomas Snow would take the name. Plus, we don't know much about Thomas Snow at all. We can't confirm he'll be a bad guy.
- No son has been alluded to so far.** Jossed.
- Confirmed.
- There seems to be a lot more factors than The Flash being missing from the future which makes it more miserable
- Canonically in the comics Ralph has ADHD which isn't close to Asperger!
- Pretty much confirmed by the end of the 100 episode!
- Jossed
- Sadly jossed; it would have made an interesting fight, but the two never meet.
- The other Cicada killed him
- Jossed.
- Confirmed. Sadly it didn't work out for her.
- It's what he does. He gets people to trust him and the whole time he's got his own plan that they are unaware of, until he betrays them and gloats about how he used them to get what he wanted and they didn't have a clue. In this case, he's tricked Nora into thinking he just wants to help her prevent her father's disappearance but he's actually manipulating her into altering the past to avoid his own imminent death, signified by the countdown with about 51 minutes remaining, and get him out of that cell, maybe even make it so he was never in the cell to begin with.
- Confirmed.
- It ends up revealing to be connected to Cicada. It could reveal each kill makes him stronger because he absorbs the dark matter in a person. So when Cisco uses the antidote, he's inadvertently making Cicada stronger because it was made with the shards of his dagger.
- Someone who acts as a sort of cleanup crew for the timeline changes Nora causes will effectively use a device to undo the cure, stating there never was one in history and warns Cisco with death not to even attempt to remake it.
- Jossed; the cure works just as intended. Though a prototype of it almost ended up being weaponized by Cicada II.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- His verbal intervention stops Grace from delivering the Finishing Blow to Barry. However, she kills him instead, and then much like Orlin always did, just leaves.
- Jossed, he's still a villain and only out to help himself.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Godspeed is from Nora's time and the Starter Villain from her hero's journey; the episode titled "Godspeed" is an Origins Episode for XS. He is just a random guy named August Heart, as it is with his identity in the comics.
- Jossed, he escapes and is still at large.
- Jossed; young Grace takes the metahuman cure, and thus future Grace is erased from existance.
The following season could see the team with a whole new host of metas along with knowledge that there are ways to make them, something that has yet to explored on show.
- Not to mention, what Nora said in episode 20 may cause Barry to experience Heroic BSoD
- Bloodwork will be the Big Bad for the first part of season 6, leading into Crisis.
- His monologue suggests that he wants to eliminate death itself.
- He is said to be the most personal villain The Flash has ever faced, despite not having appeared or even been referenced six seasons in.
- Seemingly Jossed as of "There Will Be Blood" when he jumps off the slippery slope.
- Actually, at least partially confirmed as of "The Last Temptation Of Barry Allen, Part 1".
Except its the Nora from another Earth, something that Barry and Iris won't find out until halfway though the episode. It's bittersweet- she isn't the Nora we know, but she's happy and alive
Word of God has already confirmed that this season will have two separate story arcs, with the Crisis happening between them. Red Death was mentioned last season during Nora's backstory, and typically when a villain is mentioned in passing it's the writers foreshadowing the next Season's Big Bad. With Bloodwork already confirmed as the villain for the first arc, it would make sense that Red Death is being saved for the second half of the season.
- The seeds for this storyline seem to be sown in the second hour of Crisis, where Kara and Kate visit Earth-99 and find an older, jaded, morally compromised version of Batman. At the end he seemingly is accidentally electrocuted to death, but still, anything can happen...and even if he is really dead, it still could be thematic foreshadowing.
Since watching the premiere, this troper got the idea that the arc of Killer Frost starting a life of her own will eventually lead Caitlin and Frost to become one being that shares attributes of both (a la Professor Hulk). Maybe temporarily or maybe permanently.
- I get where you're coming from, but I actually thought the opposite of this—that in order for both Caitlin and Killer Frost to distinctly experience their own unique lives, Team Flash would actively seek out a way to make them a Literal Split Personality, and would ultimately succeed in doing so, thus no more having two separate characters share a single body.
- Jossed, he will return in "Death Of The Speed Force", still a speedster.
- HOT FUCKING HELL, I CALLED IT!
When Thawne is traped, he wastes no time to threaten Barry and the others in a cartoony and over the top way (although that is not really uncaractheristic of him), all while casually referencing that he gains his powers from an artificial Speed Force. Or, in other words, he puts the fear in them to make them act, and also puts the carrot in the stick in front of them with the Negative Speed Force. Especially considering his perfect timing for all of this, it´s more than possible that he wants Team Flash to create another Speed Force, for reasons yet to be revealed.
- Perhaps this actually is the Negative Speed Force he gets his powers from, as part of a Stable Time Loop?
I'm not sure how or in what context, but I feel like this is something that is bound to happen at some point. On Arrow, look how many appearances Anatoly had across several years before he finally got the moniker "KGBeast"? Even in Thawne's case, we've seen him gradually become more and more like his comic-book counterpart in terms of personality as the years go by, so it makes sense he'll finally get the codename too. That being said, I can't see it being likely he would be commonly referred to as this, since all the characters simply know him as Eobard Thawne, but it might be a one-off gag or reference similar to KGBeast above.
She was shown in Season 6 to get the same symptoms of being in the Mirrorverse as Eva. If she leaves, she could go the way of Savitar and become a corrupted version of herself that one-ups Eva and has to be talked down by Team Flash.
- Perhaps Iris'll retain whatever mirror-based powers she gains even after that, and become a Redeeming Replacement to the villainous Sam Scudder and Eva McCulloch. Now that would give the character a lot more to do!
- Jossed she losses those powers when Eva goes back in the Mirrorverse.
- Jossed there's no sign nor mention of Lisa so far in this season. Plus Rosa had an different story for her Season 7 return.
- Beth came from a different earth. Her history wasn't rewritten unlike Non Paragons Characters throughout the franchise.
- Jossed: Eric Wallace revealed in an interview that Ralph would appear in at least one episode (Mother) portrayed by a new actor, in order to wrap up Sue's story.
- Jossed, sorry
- Why would Iris' "dream" include Frost having to go to jail, Chester getting to bond with his father, and Cisco and Kamilla wanting to leave Central City to live in peace?
- Cisco and Kamilla represent Iris' desire to live in peace with Barry and any future kids, knowing they could only do so if Barry gave up heroing and they left the perpetually-imperiled Central City; she'd never suggest it, but she knows it's the only chance they'd have for a safe life together. Frost is related to this surpressed desire for normalcy, as she's the most blatantly meta part of their team, and the anti-meta crusade is the result of Iris' guilt: She has meta friends and family that she loves, so this hidden feeling of "If there weren't any metas, we'd be safer/happier" feels like betraying them. You could say that other aspects of the season are this as well, ex. Actual Welles having amazing time powers but only using them to go home to his wife and live happily with her. Chester bonding with his father could be another, representing her relationship with future-Nora or the way she wants their future children to be able to bond with Barry: Chester thought his father didn't care about him but his father actually loved him deeply, was working for his benefit and died before Chester could learn otherwise, which parallels future-Nora's relationship with her Disappeared Dad and the resulting fractious relationship with future-Iris.
There has to be some reason for the audiences to really care about the subplot between Joe and Kristen Kramer, and I feel like the only way is if it turns out to be tied in to the main conflict with Godspeed; otherwise, it feels like a case of Trapped by Mountain Lions.
- Jossed, sorry. It really is a case of Trapped by Mountain Lions.
- Confirmed.
- The most common theories are that it's Cobalt Blue (Malcolm Thawne, Eobard's ancestor in the comics, which would correspond with Eddie Thawne here) or Deathstorm (not Robbie Raymond's Earth-2 counterpart but rather an undead version of him). I think the latter theory holds more weight as it's tied to Blackest Night, so my other theory of who this mysterious Emotion Eater Eldritch Abomination is would be the Big Bad of that story...Nekron.
- "Resurrection" reveals that the Black Flame is indeed Deathstorm, though Allegra mentions "Blackest Night" by name, still leaving open the possibility for Nekron to be the real Big Bad responsible for the existence of Deathstorm in the first place.
- Nekron is never directly mentioned, but it's still entirely possible that he's behind Deathstorm.
- Her situation, with time bending around her, is why she was able to remember another timeline with a little prompting.
- At least partially jossed. Season 9 will be the last. Whether Barry will vanish and go back in time, we'll have to see.
- Jossed as a whole. Barry does go back in time to the night his mom died, but in the first episode of the final arc, and was forced there as part the Negative Speed Force's plot against the Flash Family.
- As a nice capstone/bookends thingy.
- Jossed, though the last words are a bookend to the first episode of the Flash—"believe in the impossible."