Why is Abraham Lincoln viewed as such a high power in this post-apocalyptic world? Because when geologists unearth statues or sculptures, they assume that they hold some sort of religious significance. Let's say their digging around the remains of Washington, DC...
That and he apparently has godly ultimate cosmic power.
The line in Marceline's song in "Marceline's Closet" about being immortal and "forgetting who you even are"? Makes much more sense after you find out about her past with Simon in "I Remember You".
Why was "Nightmare" an available option on Lady Rainicorn's translator? Because a "mare" is a female horse!
With the possible exception of Susan Strong, the only human in Adventure Time is Finn. So when the show's theme song refers to him as "Finn the human", that's because he's THE human in Ooo.
In the episode "City of Thieves", Finn and Jake end up getting dirtier as the show goes on, showing them slowly losing their "purity".
Adventure Time draws influences not only from other cartoons, movies and shows, but also from video games as well. In the episode "Tree Trunks", the Snake Arm Ruby Brain Beast has a magic gem weak spot, resembling obvious weak spots on enemies and bosses. In "Dungeon", Finn explores a dungeon a la the Legend of Zelda. In the dungeon, he encounters two boss like foes, the Demon Cat and the Bucket Knight, and when he finds a key to open a dungeon door, it's suspended in midair. Actually it's inside a Gelatinous Cube. In "The Other Tarts", Finn and Jake are carrying the Royal Tarts in an anti-gravity tote chamber, which has a red bar to indicate it's full. When tarts are removed from the, the size of the bar lowers like a health bar.
In "The Jiggler" why did Finn keep on kissing the baby Jiggler when it was dying? Well, in "Memories of Boom Boom Mountain", it is shown that Jake's mom kissed him to make baby Finn feel better.
Finn's phobia of the ocean (and only the ocean - he's fine with other bodies of water, like rivers or lakes) seems totally irrational at first - until, in "His Hero", Billy is described as having "slayed an evil ocean". Think on that for a minute...an entire ocean can potentially be evil. It's absolutely massive, fully capable of wreaking terrible destruction on land (think tsunamis) and pretty much impossible to kill (unless you're Billy, in which case you can just punch it to death). With that in mind, Finn's Thalassophobia makes a lot more sense.
You can also notice, in that same episode, that there are the remains of houses deep in the ocean, where humans presumably once lived. Although he hasn't seen any other humans in a long time, it's not impossible for him to know that the rise/shift of the oceans caused the death of a lot of them.
It could also work if you consider Adventure Time to be heavily influenced by video games. Now what's that thing video game characters are famous for again?
In "To Cut A Woman's Hair", we get to see Finn's incredibly long, luscious blonde hair. Why is his hair so long? He's still a child and there's not a single parental figure around to make him cut it. Well, there's Jake and his parents, but being dogs it's doubtful that they'd force him to cut his wild hair.
In the Mortal Folly/Mortal Coil two parter, The Lich possessing a snail is a pretty smart joke considering he was built up upon in a snail's pace.
And it goes with the running gag of the snail hidden in every episode suddenly being front and center.
Not to mention he used the snail to free himself.
In the pilot for the cartoon, which became an internet sensation and spawned the series, Abraham Lincoln says Finn (Named Penn at the time) has traveled "Back in time, and to Mars." While this was obviously just a great non-sequitur joke at the time, it becomes more funny and interesting after the series admitted that the world is a post-apocalyptic one, as you can clearly see a whole, normal, modern-day Earth in the background of the dream sequence.
According to Peppermint Butler in "Too Young", food apparently comes from Mars. The Earl of Lemongrab was eating a plate of mashed carrots, and humans and other beings are known to grow their own crops. What if there are humans on Mars? What if there were survivors from the nuclear attacks? If Finn had survived as a baby, then there must be someone else that survived, too.
Mars was featured in "Sons of Mars", but there wasn't anybody but the martians and Lincoln.
The little people in "The Monster" grew their own crops. It could be them...
Yes, but the pilot cartoon shows a perfectly normal world in the background, and seems to be a place where human beings would reside in
This troper didn't really understand why Finn used words like, "Mathematical" and "Rhombus" for catchphrases when it's obvious that he's horrible at math. Then it came to me: Finn knows Princess Bubblegum is a scientist and super smart: and what better way to impress her than by using super smart math words? Not too bright a plan, but Finn is a thirteen year old boy; hero or not, he probably knows next to nothing about girls.
Or it's a joke based off of the classic 80's kid cry of 'Radical', itself a mathematical term. They've simply taken it to it's algebraic extreme.
My wife has this one: "Finn's the sole surviving human on earth. He's never seen a dentist, and he's never been to school. When he says things like "rhombus!" and "alphanumeric!", he's not using mathematical terms; he's saying the words simply because they sound cool."
Bob Rainicorn was saved by a dog. He later named his daughter Lady.
The name "Finn" is an Anglicised form of the Irish name Fionn, meaning "blonde"; plus, the name comes from a mythological Irishhero, Fionn Mac Cumhaill. Make of that what you will.
This makes the name Fionna even better.
Billy's name means "protector".
"Marceline" means "longevity".
Gunter is an old German name made of the words "Gund" and "Heri". Gund means "fight," "battle," or "war" while Heri means "crowd" or "folk". This is a reference to the fact that all of Ice King's penguins are named a variant of "Gunter" and are therefore a "group" and the fact that the penguins are Ice King's army.
The trinket Billy wears on his head. At first it seems like a normal accessory. But, you realize after "Mortal Folly" That he must wear it to defend from the Lich's mind control.
Remember when Finn attacked a black hole with a sword and actually won? Well, that whole storyline is filled to the brim with fridge brilliance. First of all, why did the 4th dimensional bubble become a black hole anyway? Because that 4th dimension doesn't have any mass and a bubble sustains itself through air pressure, so the bubble basically kept expanding in that 4th dimension while collapsing in the first 3. And why was the 4th dimensional sword able to destroy it? Because even though it's a 4th dimensional bubble, it's still a bubble. And why didn't he get his sword back? Because of the black hole, it's in a completely different dimension now.
Back in "The Real You", Jake cracks a joke about Finn's saliva model of The Candy Kingdom being made for PB out of a desire to "give her your spit." Come "Too Young", he does just that in both the implied way and in a useful, literal way to stick the candy pieces to PB.
Lemongrab is basically a living triple pun. His name is a pun on "sourpuss" (it was originally "Lemonsnatch," but the network wouldn't allow for it, so they added an ADDITIONAL PUN.) Lemongrab's wardrobe consists of nothing but grey clothes (his jumpsuit, and his pajamas.) He's also an earl. Earl Grey. And all of this was intentional.
ß is used in German, where it stands in for an "ss" so Lemongraß would be Lemongrass, but as Princess Bubblegum said, he came out wrong.
From "Fionna and Cake", one of the lyrics for Fionna and Gumball's love song is "your fist has touched my heart." Gumball sings this line. Gumball is actually the Ice Queen in disguise, and if there's anyone who'd have experience with Fionna's fist (or kicks, or sword slashes, etc.) it's her.
Also, the Ice Queen is noticeably more competent then her male counterpart. At first it seems like Positive Discrimination until it's revealed the whole episode is Ice King's fanfic. Ice Queen is a gender-flipped self-insert.
And again, Lord Monochromicorn seems unable to speak. The Ice King can't speak Korean, so he wrote Monochromicorn without any dialogue!
Well, perhaps not "unable to speak". From this viewer's perspective, Monochromicorn seemed to be speaking in Morse Code.
Maybe Simon Petrikov knew how to communicate in Morse Code and this knowledge transferred to the Ice King?
Princess Bubblegum has been shown on several occasions to be quite a Badass Princess, however, her genderbent counterpart, Prince Gumball, is apparently a Non-Action Guy. This was probably intentional on the Ice King's part in order to make Gumball helpless against the Ice Queen's clutches.
It may sound weird that Fionna had a crush with the Ice King by the end of the episode, then again it's not only because it's the Ice King's fanfic, it's the Ice Queen who made Fionna's day by disguising as Prince Gumball. Since she prefers guys, she presumed that there's a male version of the Ice Queen, the Ice King, who would treat her the same way as the Ice Queen.
Going off the Ice King, after the revelation in "Holly Jolly Secrets" that the human Simon Petrikov was driven insane by the crown, leading him to become the Ice King, Fionna's otherwise offhand remark to Cake that the Ice Queen's crown would make her crazy makes a lot more sense. And since it's the Ice King's fanfic, that means after hundreds of years of fully being the Ice King, he still subconsciously knows that the crown has driven him insane.
He also refers to his ex-fiancee as "Princess", possibly providing a source for his obsession with kidnapping princesses.
The Ice King mentions several times that he has "wizard eyes", thanks to which he can see invisible things, such as spirits. While Simon Petrikov is going insane, he mentions "the visions" that the Crown gives him. It's probably the "see invisible" intrinsic granted by the Crown that actually drove him insane.
Also from "Fionna and Cake",the episode's uncharacteristically bland, lame dialogue suddenly makes perfect sense after the last-minute reveal that the Ice King wrote it!
It seems that many fans didn't get Jake's joke from "Power Animal" until they started thinking about it more deeply or until it was explained to them. He said "Did ya hear about the goblin who got his left arm and left leg cut off?" The nymphs respond, "No," to which Jake responds, "That's okay; he's alright now!!"
Similarly, the water nymph's song is almost a joke.
Okay. Why did the merman sea the movie?
That's not it. The line is, "What did the mermaid... sea? A movie?"
In the episode "What Was Missing," the 'Best Friends in the World' song was an excellent opportunity for Finn to bust out his autotuned singing voice, but for some reason, he doesn't. In other words his autotuned voice was missing.
Alternatively, Finn chose to sing the song in his TRUE voice in order to satisfy the conditions for opening the door.
Or he'd just passed the computer by then...
...except Finn uses his autotuned singing voice in "Another Way," which takes place after "What Was Missing."
Why didn't the Door Lord steal Jake's viola or Marceline's bass? Because he wanted them to contribute to the band with their instruments!
The Marceline example is even more brilliant: Her Bass, already established as her most treasured item in "It Came from the Nightosphere" wasn't stolen, giving an early tipoff that she hadn't actually had something taken.
Alternatively, nothing was stolen from her because her most precious item, Hambo, had been sold by Ash.
While the chorus of "You Are My Best Friends in the World" is meant to apply to Jake, Bubblegum and Marceline, it actually applies to Bubblegum most of all the more you think about the lyrics, especially after Too Young.
During the second time the chorus is sung, Marceline joins in, and leaves before the "because I'm younger" part. Given the amount of subtext already in the episode...
Or each thing corresponds to one of the others present. Marceline does sometimes treat Finn like a joke, PB (while arguably as capable as Finn still) treats him as her knight, and Jake is his bro. Finn spends the whole episode trying to make everyone happy, and the song is about him trying to be what everyone needs, and the trouble of trying to do so much, and play so many roles, all at the same time.
In the pilot, Jake claims to be in his 20s, but doesn't act any older than Finn (and arguably acts younger than him at some points in the series). Of course, this is because dogs age faster than humans.
Alternative Interpretation: The reason that Jake doesn't act his age is because he's a dog, not a wolf, meaning that like all other domestic animals (with the possible exception of cats) he retains his juvenile temperament into adulthood.
Another piece of brilliance can be found in "Mortal Folly:" When the Lich is traveling through water, he leaves behind a trail of oil. And what are oilspills linked with?
In "Mystery Train" Finn turns thirteen. This episode originally aired on March 14th (3/14), also known as "Pi day". This sort of means that Finn's birthday is on Pi day. You can't get much more "mathematical" than that!
There are many clues in "Mystery Train" which make sense and tie together if you know what happens at the end of the episode. A list of the clues can be seen here.
Marceline says she just sucks color out of things, not blood, then turns a strawberry white to demonstrate. But when she bites Jake, he shrivels up. He was faking it, sure, but she didn't find it odd. Well... do you know what color strawberries start to turn when they rot? Sure, Finn eats it, but he seems more interested in Marceline than the strawberry.—Red Wren
Actually, if you look back at the scene carefully when Jake is bitten, Marceline did find it odd for a split second, but immediately dismissed it. In her monstrous form, the expression doesn't come off well but you can tell she suspected something was up for a second before tossing Jake. This is especially evident after we discover that she's not entirely evil.
There'll obviously be a lot of this after "Holly Jolly Secrets", but one that stood out was a part in "What Have You Done" where the Ice King's crown cries and says, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry..." after being put on the Shelf of Penitence. In "Holly Jolly Secrets", we find out that a long time ago, the Ice King was a normal human being named Simon Petrikov with a fiancee named Betty. Simon was sold the crown and decided to put it on to give Betty a laugh. The crown showed him visions and caused a flash of insanity, however, and after a Noodle Incident Betty was mortified and left him. The crown causes Simon to go into loneliness and insanity, leading to the Ice King we know and laugh at. So in "What Have You Done", the crown is apologizing for the horrible things it did to Simon.
Even worse, the Crown's apology may be from whatever is left of Simon's shattered psyche, still plagued with regret over what he did.
After the final video diary in "Holly Jolly Secrets", it suddenly makes sense why the Ice King would consider Finn and Jake his friends. They're the only ones who stop him from hurting people and committing horrible acts, which in his final sane entry was his last desperate request to the viewer. In stopping the Ice King, Finn and Jake are fulfilling Simon's final wish and deep down the Ice King realizes this causing him to view Finn and Jake as thankful friends instead of bitter enemies, which otherwise would make more sense. -Moon Leopard
On the topic of NEPTR, here's something to think about: NEPTR (Never-Ending-Pie-Throwing-Robot) was built for the sole purpose of throwing pies at jake forever. This not only mean Finn almost subjected Jake to an enternity of getting nailed in the face by pies, but means that the fact that we see NEPTR in future episodes means he never fufilled his sole purpose for being created, as he didn't throw those pies at Jake forever. Thank god Ice King zapped him and caused his affinity for princesses, otherwise the poor guy might be having an existential crisis.
In "Paper Pete", Jake's refusal to believe Finn about the Paperlings and Moldos seems like Arbitrary Skepticism, given all the ridiculous things they've encountered in the series, unless you consider that Jake is just assuming Finn is bored and fishing for an excuse to get out of the library while Jake is busy reading up on Rainicorn history.
...uh, yeah. He says that's why he's ignoring Finn.
In "Dad's Dungeon", Finn's adoptive canine father refers to him as a crybaby. At first, it seems like this is just part of his attempt to toughen Finn up. However, if the canines of Ooo mature as rapidly as normal dogs, then Finn would have been struggling to walk by the time Jake and Jerome would have been considered adolescents. Joshua thinks Finn is a crybaby because humans mature very slowly compared to dogs.
With her destructive personality, no WONDER Flame Princess was sealed inside that glass chamber!
Why have we never seen Flame Princess before? Two reasons: 1. It wouldn't make much sense for the Ice King to go to the Fire Kingdom. 2. She's Finn's age, so even if Ice King was Suicidal enough to go for her, he wouldn't touch her since she's underage.
A couple more: no one but fire people can enter the fire kingdom (unless they have Flame Shield), and they would probably start a huge fire if too many of them got out. Also, Flame Princess is crazy and destructive, so it's no wonder she's stuck in the kingdom.
In "Earth & Water", it is revealed that, shortly after her birth, Princess Bubblegum saw to it that FP be imprisoned, since she was a massive danger to everyone around her.
At first, it didn't make sense to me why Flame Princess would be given by her father to "Prince" Finn, considering he knew how destructive and dangerous she was. Then we find out that everyone in the fire kingdom is evil, and it just clicks. Flame King probably wanted to keep her locked away not to protect everyone, but to make sure she was exposed to someone who could trigger her unstable matrix, and if the relationship didn't work out she would flip and burn everything. It was an evil win-win for him.
In "Incendium", when the Flame Princess attacks Finn's house, the picture of PB is destroyed. It's probably symbolic of the Flame Princess destroying Finn's crush on PB!
At the start, Princess Bubblegum has created "liquid pyrotechnics" which can be called: Waterworks. Guess what Finn does for the rest of the episode until the next one.
Anyone who's involved in knitting or crochet has heard of the "Boyfriend Sweater Curse", where someone makes a sweater for their boyfriend and break up a short time later. Although PB didn't have anything resembling a romantic relationship with Finn, his crush on her ending would count.
"Videomakers" has Finn and Jake fight over making an action movie and a romantic comedy, respectively. Finn, an energetic 13 year old would love a non-stop action movie while Jake, a 28 year old dog in a relationship would want a romantic comedy to snuggle up and make out with his girlfriend Lady Rainicorn. - Spider Fan 14
Why does Stormo have an eagle head rather than a human head? Because he is a Griffin.
Why is Fionna chubby compare to her male version? Because she isn't Thin.
Have you ever noticed that Tree Trunks's ears resemble oven mitts?
Why did Princess Bubblegum not only make Goliad immortal, but extremely powerful? Because she wanted the ruler to be able to protect the Candy Kingdom.
Jake's girlfriend is Lady Rainicorn, voiced by Niki Yang. BMO is also voiced by Niki Yang, who lives with Finn and Jake. So, in a sort of meta sense, it's almost as if Lady Rainicorn is always by Jake's side.
It makes even more sense when you notice that BMO is inanimate at the beginning of the series! Princess bubblegum most likely tweaked it to have a personality, and probably synthesized Lady's voice to make BMO's! (Korean has all the sounds needed to speak English so that's not even a problem.)
The Bubblegum theory was Jossed with the newest episode "Be More" where it was always meant to have a personality to take care of children.
She phrases it as an opinion, but did anyone else see Princess Bubblegum deciding Jake worked better as a Milkman in "Princess Cookie" as this? The primary reason Jake's ...er, 'negotiation' went so well was because of his supposed occupation, and in any hostage situation (particularly those that have progressed to the 'standoff with the SWAT team' level) the best outcome is a peaceful one.
How did BMO realize that Lorraine the chicken wrote the note in "BMO Noire"? Sure, it was written in lipstick, but it was also written in "chicken scratch".
Princess Bubblegum's speech to Finn about how 'responsibility demands sacrifice' was interpreted by many people to be about her previous relationship with Marceline. However, it could just as easily pertain to Finn, especially after the events of 'Too Young'.
While that certainly could be a possibly, it's doesn't explain her confusion after Finn went ballistic on her, and in the original storyboard, she was even more oblivious until Jake's rant, it even emphasized a sudden realization.
Billy's song ends with the fact that he "fought a bear." Now what gives The Lich the enchiridion?
More than that- Finn has become the new Billy. He fought an evil ocean (or at least his fear of the ocean, which manifested as an evil spirit) in "Ocean of Fear", essentially cast the Lich down in "Mortal Folly" (with the sweater) and "Mortal Recoil" (with Ice King's help), got a candy princess's hair in "To Cut A Woman's Hair" and fought a bear in "In Your Footsteps". All that's left is to rescue damsel fair from an evil fire royal, which may happen if he can shift Flame Princess's alignment (especially considering her father, Flame King, is on to him).
He broke her out of the Fire King's imprisonment, that should count.
"King Worm" has tons of it, especially if you know much about dreams.
Lady Rainicorn's voice was distorted because Finn doesn't know Korean. This also foreshadows that Jake isn't real but a creation of Finn's dream, because if Jake were really connected to the dream, then Lady would be speaking her native language.
Another piece of foreshadowing includes the fact that Jake can't play his violin in the dream. If it were the real Jake, he'd know how to harness his own natural talent, even in dreamscape.
Meeting characters in dreams that are also lucid is something that actually occurs in Real Life to lucid dreamers, and it plays out much like it does here. If you meet another person and believe that they are also dreaming but somehow connected to your dream, your brain will convince itself of that and create a very realistic illusion of it. Jake acts very realistically when Finn believes him to be the actual Jake, but he acts like other characters of the dream only after Finn questions him.
Finn's false awakening is very realistic, which is Truth in Television for actual false awakenings, but even before he notices himself in the mirror, you can see that the ears on his hat are still Off Model, giving away that he's still dreaming.
While in dreams locations and time are constantly extremely distorted, people and faces are most of the time either extremely realistic or only slightly distorted, i.e. somebody with curly hair will appear to have straight hair. The only minor distortions were Finn's ears and Lady's second mouth. The most distorted characters are ones that Finn doesn't really know, but are mostly friendly acquaintances, such as Peppermint Butler and Lady Rainicorn. Jake becomes distorted once Finn realizes that he is not actually Jake and he isn't actually familiar with him.
When Finn begins to become lucid again, Jake tells him not to worry about it and that it's just "dream residue". This is also very realistic, as the brain often comes up with nonsensical logic to explain situations that are off or weird in dreams, which usually make sense to the dreamer because most people are holding the Idiot Ball in their dreams.
When Finn looks in the mirror his image is heavily distorted. This is an actual occurrence in dreams, because what we see in a mirror in dreams is largely determined by what we expect to see, so we can see just about anything. Many people who are lucid dreamers report that looking in mirrors often results in seeing a deformed version of themselves.
Finn reacts to the strangeness of his dreams pretty illogically, which is also the reaction to most distortions in actual dreamers because of dream logic. He can only tell that something is wrong, when it's obvious that he's dreaming due to the sheer absurdity of events. Dreamers' logic senses are often extremely obscured in dreams, and only lucky and extremely trained lucid dreamers will ever pick up on the signs that they are dreaming. So Finn's reactions and confusion are quite realistic.
The only dream character with much dialogue is Jake, because Finn believes him to be real. Once Finn starts to question it, then his dialogue becomes much more limited and cryptic, like everyone else in the dream, and when confronted about it he gets very quiet and smiley. Many lucid dreamers will find that this is exactly how characters in dreams behave, especially when confronted about their reality, probably because the brain does not know what it's like to not be real, so it doesn't explain and goes for the closest it can find to a realistic reaction.
Princess Bubblegum's Nightmare Face is the exact same one that she made when she was possessed by The Lich in "Mortal Recoil". Similarly, the explosion in the background is the same one that was made by The Lich in "Mortal Folly".
The strange mirror image Finn sees after the false awakening in the dream looks almost identical to◊ the apparent parallel universe Finn at the end of "The Lich."
Not to mention Finn's rule of "No worms on the bed!" That's about the last place you want dream-altering worms to be.
Lady Rainicorn's fretfulness at the beginning of "Lady and Peebles" makes all the more sense now that she's pregnant is because she didn't get to tell Jake about the pregnancy beforehand and because the pregnancy would sidetrack her away from PB and Jake for a while.
Makes even more sense when you consider that Lady has no idea what to expect to give birth to, because if there has ever been another union between a dog and rainicorn (who are mortal enemies) information about it would be scarce. No wonder she's so scared when she tells Jake.
Corndogs. She will give birth to Corndogs.
And also, revealing your pregnancy to your boyfriend is an incredibly stressful thing to do. She was probably terrified of how he would react and what effect it would have on their relationship.
Not to mention Ooo seems to be a fairly conservative place, remember Tree-trunks and Mr Pig? They wouldn't live under the same roof until they got married as it would be "indecent" now imagine being unmarried and pregnant in a society where people think like that...
Translated, at the beginning Lady is fretting about her last conversation with Jake, saying how bad his noodles were. It had been 3 weeks since Finn & Jake went missing, she was worried that he was dead and that her last words too him were about his bad noodles, probably on top of being up the duff.
Trailers for "You Made Me!" described the episode as being A Very Special Lemongrab Episode. At a first glance, this might seem like a humorous juxtaposition of Lemongrab's ... uh... Lemongrabbishness and the absurdity of the idea of having him star in an episode with a serious moral to it. However, it's actually a Stealth Pun on Lemongrab's "specialness."
In "Too Young", Princess Bubblegum apparently hated Lemongrab, and just wanted him gone. But in "You Made Me!", she expresses regret at how messed-up she made the Earl, and tries to make amends for his lousy upbringing. Why the change of heart? Because when Princess Bubblegum turned 13, she lost her ability to relate to Lemongrab as her own creation, because he was older than her, and she lost her "maternal" (protective and caring towards her creation) instincts and saw Lemongrab as... well, a screaming lunatic. But when she turned 18 again, she got it back and is more mentally mature, she was able to relate more to Lemongrab, fully understanding that he is her responsibility, as his creator. This is why 13 year old PB was angry at Lemongrab, while 18 year old PB was worried about him.
At the end of the Spanish dub of Too Young, Lemongrab says, "No one loves me. Everyone hates me." In "You Made Me!", Princess Bubblegum asks for three volunteers to move in with Lemongrab, to placate his misery of not having any citizens in his castle. They respond by forming an angry mob. Lemongrab wasn't being a drama queen- everyone really DOES hate him! Also doubles as a Fridge Tear Jerker.
It is made very clear that Lemongrab is the only one capable of following/understanding his "special" way of thinking. Who better to be his friend then, than a second version of himself?
It can best be described by the mathematical concept of "A negative times a negative equals a positive." The negativity cancels out, and the result is positive! Hence why Lemongrab and Other Lemongrab were so damn happy at the end together!
In "You Made Me!", Lemongrab spends almost the whole episode hating himself (for being as damaged as he is) and hating everyone else (for making him that way.) However, after Princess Bubblegum makes Lemongrab a clone of himself, he learns to love himself! Only then was he able to finally act like a friendly, happy person. He had to love himself before he could love anyone else.
Why was Lemongrab- who has a sour lemon heart- suddenly so sweet and friendly at the end? Because even lemons have sugar in them!
In "Holly Jolly Secrets" Ice King somehow knows Marceline's fries song. He stalks and and spies on Finn and Jake all the time, so of course he would be there at least one of the times it played.
More likely, it's because he stalks Marceline and is a huge fan of her music.
"I Remember You," which expands on the backstory presented in "Holly Jolly Secrets," reveals that Simon Petrikov met a very young Marceline in the wreckage after the Mushroom War and tried to protect her as best he could before the crown drove him insane. Though he doesn't remember why, he visits her sometimes and has probably heard her play the song in person. On some level, the lyrics probably remind him of the paternal relationship he used to have with her.
When Princess bubblegum becomes younger, the Ice King pretty much gives up the idea of kidnapping her. The obvious reason is that he is not a pedophile. But what was his reason behind the kidnappings in the first place? he wants to marry a princess. PB was legally underage so he just couldn't marry her even if he tried to.
Well, we now know why the local Vampire Queen prefered to stay outside during the end of Holly Jolly Secrets...
With what we know now, no wonder we haven't seen Marceline and Ice King interacting until now.
Ice King is a magically-enhanced human who's several hundred years old, possibly the oldest being in Ooo. To him, everyone is extremely young. Therefore, it makes sense that he wouldn't split too many hairs over how old a princess is when abducting her.
And yet he gets icked out when he learns that Princess Bubblegum suddenly was 13 instead of 18, and just leaves.
Flame Princess is 14 and LSP is 15. Either puberty is the only recognizable boundary for him, or getting "icked out" was a moment of clarity shining through.
His obssesion with princesses is caused by subconsciously missing Betty, and remembering how he loved her, and maybe the reason he doesn't go after younger girls is because of Marceline. He still subconsiously remembers how he loved this little girl with a different kind of love (paternal love) and so the barrier between Acceptable Targets for kidnapping and princesses young enough for that kind of love not to apply to still exists.
In the episode I Remember You, Marceline shows the Ice King a newspaper clipping the clipping had an image of Simon Petrikov holding the Enchiridion closer inspection of the article shows that Simon had just discovered it during a dig based on the image you can tell this took place before the Mushroom War, the only question is what significance did it hold before the war?
Compounded by the next episode, The Lich, where we find out that the crowns of Ooo activate the Enchiridion. What were you looking for, Simon?
Marceline dating Ash in the past makes more sense now considering he's a wizard and so's Ice King (who was somewhat of a father figure to her).
Why didn't Marceline's Dad suck out the Ice King's soul when he had no compulsions about sucking out everyone else's? Because Simon looked after his daughter when he wasn't able or he really messed up.
Or maybe he somehow knew about the crown and what could happen if the Ice King died.
In the first scene of "The Lich", we see Billy's cave and several characters in it. Finn is at a computer looking at a video of the Cosmic Owl, Billy is kissing The Old Lady from "His Hero", and the bear from "In Your Footsteps" is in the middle of the room. In the background is a tapestry of a unicorn. This tells us several things. One, the scene is revealed to be a nightmare that Finn experiences, and the Cosmic Owl has been used to represent death before in the form of croak dreams. It's possible the scene is Billy's croak dream and inevitable death, which manifests itself into Finn's nightmare, seeing how he had to be present when Billy was killed by the Lich. Secondly, the unicorn tapestry is an actual work titled "The Unicorn is in Captivity, and No Longer Dead", part of the "Hunt of the Unicorn" series. The series shows a unicorn being hunted, attacked, killed, and held captive. While in captivity, it is resurrected. This could be three things. The first is Billy's fight with and imprisonment of The Lich mentioned in "His Hero", the second is The Lich's return, death, and possession of the snail in "Mortal Folly" and "Mortal Recoil", and the third is Billy's death and possession in the croak dream. Essentially, one scene and one piece of artwork tells an entire subplot, which became the main plot, that was ongoing for nearly four seasons.
Combine Hey, It's That Voice! to get what happened in "The Lich". Booko, the hologram in the Enchiridion, explains everything about the Enchiridion's hidden power. Who better to explain the new key factors of Adventure Time than the creator himself, Pendleton Ward. It's also interesting when you bring into count that people compare Adventure Time to a game of Dungeons & Dragons. Ward essentially ended one chapter and went to the next game, explaining what's different and how to succeed with the Enchiridion.
"The Lich" reveals that the Enchiridion is a gateway to the multiverse, and that the key to unlocking it are the jewels of various crowns-this includes the Ice King's crown. This may go to explain why the Ice King can see the Spirit World-as his crowns are needed to access the multiverse for the Enchiridion, it explains why he can see(and subtly influence) Another Dimension.
Also, "I Remember You" revealed that Simon discovered the Enchiridion prior to the madness of the crown. This may go to explain why the Ice King and his crown are so linked-it wants to get closer to someone associated with the Enchiridion!
The Ice King's crown is the only one with multiple gems on it. Combined with the above about why he can see the spirit world, it may explain the insanity the crown causes. It's forcing the wearer to see three different universes at once. It's possible the non sequitur bits of the Ice King's personality are perfectly rational responses to something going on in one of the other worlds.
Fridge Brilliance Part 2
Jake saves the Multiverse by simply being a dog. Think about it. He acts like a typical golden retriever - friendly, simple, no attention span - and he wins over the lonely Prismo to the point where Prismo is willing to bend the rules ever so slightly and suggest a wish.
And the title of that episode? Jake the Dog.
Slight correction: Jake is a bulldog, just throwing that out there.
There's an even subtler ironic twist at the end of the episode. After Jake changes the Lich's wish Prismo says, "You see that, Jake? Monkey's paw." Why would he say this? Because that's the ironic twist to the Lich's initial wish. When he wished for all life to be extinct, he hadn't count on Finn and Jake being exempt, which allowed Jake to alter his initial wish, creating the ironic 'Monkey's Paw' twist for the Lich. That's why Prismo says that.
At first it seems odd that Farmworld!Finn would succumb so quickly to the Crown's power, considering the talent Finn has shown for resisting magical possession in the past. Then you realize that, having grown up with parents in a fairly normal world, he has not had Finn prime's experiences or responsibilities and thus has not had to grow as much as a person.
Not only that, he succumbs as a child. Of course a young mind like Finn's would be easier to sway than the adult Simon's.
It also makes sense if you consider their individual reasons for putting on the Crown. Alt!Finn accepted the Crown, fully knowing what it could do, and put it on anyway so he could use its power to protect his family. Simon, meanwhile, wore the Crown against his will, hated it, and fought it every step of the way. A willing mind is always easier to control than a forcibly-subdued one.
Think about this: Lemongrab is a Candy Person, because he's not made of lemons, but lemon drop candies.
Considering that he'll probably never, ever meet another human, you'd expect Finn to be a lot angstier about it. But not only is Ooo full of sentient creatures, most of his acquaintances also have unique phenotypes.
From "Susan Strong":
Finn: I've never even met any other humans. If I think about it too much, I get all soul-searchy and weeeeiiirrrd...
During the episode "All The Little People", Finn has to shake mini-Finn vigorously in order to communicate with him. Finn had been fanboying over his Crack Pairing schemes with the mini-versions of his friends earlier in the episode (which had caused them to become unhappy). I guess you could say that Finn was fanwanking?
According to the title card of "All the Little People", Magic Man made the little people out of clay. Considering that he's the younger brother of Grob Gob Glob Grod, this could mean that Magic Man is essentially a God who created life and then placed it in Finn's hands for laughs.
Acording to the title card, the little people are made of cley. ¿What was Adam made of acording to The Bible?
More of a bit of brilliance on the part of the writers: "I Remember You" at first seems like an episode created mostly to make people sad, until you realize how brilliantly it sets up Marceline working for the Ice King in "Finn the Human/Jake the Dog".
In "I Remember You", the author of the newspaper article about Simon Petrikov is named Bruce Guese, which was also the name of one of the townspeople in the Farmworld universe. Just a Mythology Gag, right? Well, when you consider that Farmworld was frozen for a very long time and thus was effectively much closer chronologically to the pre-Mushroom War world, you realize that the Bruce Guese we see there could very well be a direct descendent of the other Bruce Guese, and is therefore named after him.
Most people won't recognize it, but the fact that the shows setting was caused by a global war disaster, and that it encourages fun and peace, might as well mean that Adventure Time is one giant anti war slogan.
In "Mystery Dungeon," it turns out that Ice King had abducted the four other captive characters in order to reach an area that he thinks will bring his fan fiction "Fionna & Cake" to life. This fails, but that's beside the point. At first it seems goofy and ridiculous, simply the dream of any given fan-fic creator. But this is significant in a complex, overthought form: Ice King is labeled as either a villain or a kook by the people in his world. Even his adopted daughter Marceline hates to be around him (not because she doesn't like him, she simply cannot stand seeing her beloved Simon in such a broken state). Being a hazard, only one person will be willing to spend time with him: the hero, making sure he doesn't hurt anybody. Who is the hero? Finn. Finn has thus accidentally become the most consistent person in Ice King's life. Ice King enjoys his company (despite being his foe) because he's too lonely otherwise. Thus, he created a character, a female, who would be certain to stay with the Ice King in marriage. He created Fiona, female equivalent to Finn.
Also worth noting: Finn is, for all intents and purposes, his nemesis. Consistent with the swapped-up world he creates, his male nemesis is swapped for a female love interest.
In "Mystery Dungeon," Lemongrab for some reason desperately craves food, as he asks Ice King how he tastes and to make himself into food, and he is forced to be polite (or try) to Tree Trunks to make apple pie. When a rat eats the pie, Lemongrab clocks it in the face and ravenously gobbles up the chewed up pie. In "All Your Fault" it is revealed that Lemongrab is hungry because he and Lemongrab 2 use all their own food to make new candy life. This show has amazing continuity.
Why did Princess Bubblegum say "Their hearts are fine" when Jake called the Lemongrabs selfish? Because they're actually, very slowly, getting better at being nicer and more compassionate people. It's a subtle change, but the awakening of Lemon John's heart is very slowly happening to the Lemongrabs. The very first step was Lemongrab meeting Lemongrab 2. The next step was Lemongrab apologizing to Tree Trunks and actually helping the other people in the Mystery Dungeon. And the biggest change we've seen with the Lemongrabs so far is "All Your Fault," basically the entire episode, when they sacrificed their own needs for the lives of their future children, and visibly caring about the feelings of their children. Lemongrab is slowly going from a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk to a Jerk with a Heart of Gold. Princess Bubblegum doesn't want to tamper with the Lemongrabs's natural course of development and their learning curve.
In "Bad Little Boy", Gumball acts like a complete ineffective idiot and Fionna seems more violent and slightly less good than before....well, it's Marceline who's telling the story, so there's some of her own personality dipping into the characters and story.
Notice how much more violent Fionna is to Marshall when compared to their normal counterparts? Remember that Marceline came to respect and like Finn after being punched really hard in the face? Yep, Marceline seems to wish Finn was more violent to her.
Also, the interaction between Marshall and Fionna seems like a declaration of love for Finn but with the caveat that Marceline thinks of herself as too evil-aligned for him.
Marceline's music about her dad eating her fries seems odd at first, then saddening when you learn what a fucked-up relationship they have. But it's only when you see "Memory of a Memory" you get why that hurt her so much. When her dad ate her fries, she was living in a post-apocalypse world, completely contaminated with radiation. How often did she even get to eat, at all? Less alone something tasty like fries? Her father wasn't taking care of her 24-7, it seems, but he being King of the Nightosphere, he wouldn't have any problem with food. Those fries might've been an once-every-two-months thing for Marcy.
It's also made worse by the fact that he is deathless, i.e. doesn't even need to eat. So not only was her father depriving her of what was probably a rare treat for her, he was doing it despite the fact that it was completely useless to him.
Why were the Lemongrabs making "sex noises" when they were gathering the candy seeds and making Seed-Wad? Because those are the noises that two people make when they make a baby, as in literally.
Another lemon-related pun. A "lemon" is a slang term for a product, such as a car or appliance, that is defective or dysfunctional, which the buyer tries to get rid of or have returned. Lemongrab is a failed experiment and because of this, also happens to be a "lemon" in the completely figurative sense of the word, too!
Here's a possible conversion for Magic Dog Years: If Finn and Jake were born around the same time (probable since the show has shown they were babies around the same time) and Jake got his powers a little later after that and taking into account when the show started in 2010, Finn was 12 and Jake was 28 in Magic Dog Years, then 3 Human Years = 7 Magic Dog Years. Meaning in 2013, whenever Finn turns 15, Jake would turn 35 in Magic Dog Years at some point.
An easy Fridge Brilliance one. After Holly Jolly Secrets, many characters on the show call the Ice King by his real name, Simon. Why is that? Fairly simple. It's explained at the end of the Christmas episode that Finn and Jake re-created the VHS-watching event once per year. Due to the time era of the series, a post-apocalyptic world, it's rather safe to assume those are the only remaining cassettes still functioning (considering the rise of DVD may have happened in their world as well). And it could also be rather safe to assume that they watch all of them at each of those events. As a result, all those who are present learned the Ice King's secret. Sadly, this also raises a few questions of Fridge Logic. Did everyone who called the Ice King by his real name went to one of those events? Why isn't the Ice King angry that more and more people watch his secrets and laugh at his recorded antics? Oh, and why is Marceline present even after a more recent episode have revealed that she was very close to Simon Petrikov, and it actually hurts her to see him as the Ice King?
1. Only Finn and Marceline regularly call him by that name, and both of them would have good reason to know. 2. He was angry, he's just too insane to remember it for long. And it's implied that the Crown represses thoughts of anything relating to his old life, which this most definitely does. 3. She still cares about him, and in a recent episode was even seen hanging out with him. It's actually Fridge Brilliance - of course she would attend but not actually come in, since she cares for him but getting too close is painful.
In the newest episode, Simon and Marcy, you'll probably notice a lot of pink stuff around the area that looks suspiciously like gum. It gets especially hard to miss when Simon climbs up some, and a sentient mass of this stuff-with a FACE-gives Simon a can of chicken soup, after he had been looking for most of the episode. Three guesses as to why Ice King is so much more obsessed with PB than the other princesses.
Word of God, by way of a cut-scene in the second AT video game, Explore the Dungeon Because I DON'T KNOW! (written by Pendleton Ward), confirms that the gum wad is where Peebs came from.
The Ice King, ineffectual is he is, actual wields considerable power if he were to use his abilities creatively rather than just freezing things. Of course, recent episodes have implied that every time he uses his powers, he's acting by the Crown's will, not his own. The Crown, as an ambiguously-sentient inanimate object, probably isn't very intelligent or imaginative.
And in "Party's Over, Isla De Senorita": The reason he became markedly less ineffectual while fighting the Party God? He was doing it to help a friend, which is something he'd do even if he was in his right mind, so he was actually using Simon's intellect for once. It also probably helped that the Island Lady is completely unconnected to his past, so the Crown didn't have to mess with his head to suppress his memories.
Since 'Simon and Marcy' is told by her, from her perspective, she's free to make up details for whatever reason - doesn't want to offend Finn and Jake (or the Ice King), lulz, didn't actually understand what was going on at the time and filled in the blanks. But here's one: she recalls Simon's genuine horror at her fever and getting soup from him, but because he was trying to not alarm her, she didn't catch that they were in a pharmacy or that the 'clambulance' was supposed to be something else. (And the reason he gave her soup at the end? It masked the taste of medicine.) This explains why he got it from a ...pink goo with a face - that's just what he told her - and why his cursing (when she covers her ears) is just "Mother Mother Mother Etc.", since that's what he kept saying after she uncovered them. Also, depending on how it works out in that world, being a half-demon Vampire Queen might mean that she hasn't gotten seriously ill since then, or may not actually realize what getting ill means - there's nothing to say that she does or does not believe that procession of events.
In "Puhoy", after having been trapped in another world for decades, Finn's memories of Jake are extremely distorted. This is quite realistic.
Lemongrab's slightly knee-jerk reaction to attacking Finn, Jake, and Princess Bubblegum is strangely understandable, from his perspective, when we remember that the last time he saw PB and Finn, those two had punched him in the stomach (causing him to cry in pain,) and other various forms of bodily harm. In additon to being crazy-mad, he was probably still fairly pissed off about that. When he saw Finn, he might have thought, "Oh, there's the little shit who beat me up a year ago! I don't know who the dog is, but if he's a friend of Finn then he's an enemy of mine!" And in addition to resenting PB for her unethical scientific ways, Lemongrab might have still been pissed at PB for the same reason. The fans who thought PB and Finn were in the wrong for beating up Lemongrab? Well... looks like the guy got his revenge eventually, after all...
In Simon and Marcy, was Marceline's head getting hotter or was Simon's hand just getting colder?
At the end of Simon and Marcy he calls Marcy "Gunter." Another sign of his descent into madness, sure, but could the reason he dotes on Gunter be that he sees him as a seven year old Marceline?
If Marceline's title of Vampire Queen is official, why is she the only royal in Ooo who doesn't have a crown? Because it was a Crown that stole one of her dearest friends from her.
Upon first watching All Your Fault, the Lemongrabs' accusingly shouting "This is all your fault! We warned you about us!" at Finn and Jake seems completely out of left field and like just more nonsense. However, when some thought has been put to things in the episode, it can be realized that there actually is a logic to this accusation. Not necessarily good logic, but it's not just an arbitrary shift of blame either. In particular, they did warn Finn and Jake. Consider that they had locked themselves in the dungeon. Not just hid away, locked themselves in. They were also upset when Finn and Jake broke down the door. But that can't have been entirely to keep the food they were hoarding from being eaten, because they knew they were out of food. Well, here's the thing. When Finn and Jake shout to them, they respond flatly with "Go away. No food here." At first blush this seems to be saying to go away because they have no food, but that doesn't make much sense, as they were likely expecting food to be delivered. Instead, what they really meant was, "Go away, don't bring any food in here." The Lemongrabs KNOW that they can not stop making children, they outright tell Finn and Jake this. They were keeping themselves locked away from the food they had requested be brought to the castle, so that their children would be fed and they wouldn't be able to get a hold of it and make more children. They were not expecting seeds to be brought. The seeds would likely not have helped their situation, anyway, as food plants take time to grow. Presumably the princess sent the seeds because, as is implied by her response to the letter, she thought they were bullshitting being out of food.
Tl;dr, the Lemongrabs' did in fact warn Finn and Jake about them.
This troper was taken aback at the somewhat contrived character development that the Lemongrabs received in "All Your Fault," going from antisocial child haters to loving, adorable fathers. However, the fact that they are good, if not merely compassionate, parents is not surprising, from a psychological standpoint. It is surprisingly, and heartwarmingly, common in Real Life, for people like Lemongrab- people who had shitty childhoods and/or were abused by their parents- to be the most caring and affectionate parents. Lemongrab had a very shitty childhood- if you can even call his early years his childhood. He was deprived of love and affection for the first massive chunk of his life. People like this are often expected to be bad parents, (because it's common for people who were abused as children to later abuse their own children, due to a lack of affection and role models in their own lives,) but they can often be some of the kindest and most tender parents to their own children. It seems strange that Princess Bubblegum was a rather bad parent to Lemongrab while Lemongrab ended up being a really good parent to his own babies, but this scenario is reallycommon in real life.
Two points of Fridge Brilliance related to Lemongrab's strange attitudes towards children: One) Lemongrab was shut away in his castle for (presumably) years. He likely never encountered a child while he was there. Two) many candy people are very small, child-sized regardless of age (Starchy, for instance), and all of them are generically cute, so there's really no visual cue to engender a "protect the small thing" response from Lemongrab. He doesn't interact with any children in "Too Young" (outside of the storyboard) besides the fairly competent Finn and the aged-down Bubblegum, and the Pup Gang in "You Made Me" are pretty awful to him (for further perception, view their treatment of him less from the perspective of a control freak adult, and more the perspective of an already mentally unbalanced kid). He likely didn't even comprehend what distinguished a child from anything else until he started makinghis own, so he'd have no particular qualms hurting them, either.
It makes sense that the Gumball Guardians know Peppermint Butler is evil, since they can Detect Evil.
Princess Bubblegum didn't leave behind the formula for candy life- she left behind the formula for NEUROATYPICAL candy life! This is why Lemongrab 2 has the same "disorder" as Lemongrab, and why all of the Lemon People seem to be affected, as well. If Princess Bubblegum had left behind the formula for creating "normal" candy people, then the Lemon People wouldn't have all been so "special."
Lemongrab completely flipping his shit in "Too Young" just after he was created makes a hell of a lot more sense when you remember that he was literally a newborn- and newborn babies typically respond to their first moments of life by screaming, flailing, and crying in terror and confusion. Also makes a bit more sense when one thinks of Lemongrab not as insane, but as an adult with the mind of a very young child.
Given how messed-up Marceline's past is, you'd expect her to be a LOT less stable than she is, especially considering that it's unlikely she's ever had access to a therapist. But, then again, she's also had 1,000 years to work out her issues.
Why is Ice King holding a Sanity Ball during his time with the Island Lady? Well, if you believe that the Crown has to push more of its own will on him when he's interacting with things/people from his past, then that makes sense — since Island Lady is completely unconnected to his past, the Crown could let Simon have more control of the mental reins, and he would be more like his old self.
Or maybe it's because she wasn't a princess
The Lemongrabs calling each other brother, before proceeding to beat the ever-loving shit out of each other and then attempt to eat each other makes a lot more sense to anyone who has ever had a sibling. It is extremely common for real-life siblings to get into horrible, violent fights. In their universe, they're just acting like regular brothers!
In Jake Suit, why is Finn able to have half his head dipped in a volcano without giving up the bet with Jake? Well he has been hanging out with Flame Princess for a while now hasn't he.
He himself noted at one point that her flames were hurting less...
Remember when Finn and Jake first met Billy, and they tried to follow his example and be heroes with community activism? Well they failed. But look at what's been happening with Ice King. They are basically keeping an crazy old man out of trouble by spending time with him and keeping him distracted! Community activism!
The end of Fire and Frost. After Finn blows it with Flame Princess, who is he with? Ice King, AKA Simon, a man who once drove away the woman he loved. Only Finn doesn't have a magic crown making him crazy to blame.
It also shows that Finn is really entering puberty-acting without thinking, thinking below the waist, etc.
Come to think of it, Finn's dream seemed to be showing that as well, as he seemed to turn into a bizarre, hideous man-child. In the dream he turned into essentially a baby, but with long, hairy man legs, as if showing he wasn't quite grown up yet. It reflects the feelings of a lot of boys his age: trying to be seen as adult, but still being young; feeling the awkwardness of their transition; struggling with their still-childish mannerisms, etc.
Why is Lemongrab so obese in the new episode? He just ate his brother, who was made out of candy. He's also probably been eating a lot more due to stress and depression. The guy just lost a child, after all, and now has to care for all of his babies by himself.
No, he's so obese since he's eating all the food in the castle, depriving it from his children and his brother, and even consumes his brother again. The episode shows that all that nastiness that Lemongrab has displayed over the course of the series? Its completely genuine, no hidden depths since he kills his own Morality Pet and orders the death of innocent people and tortures his own children-he's now as ugly on the outside as he was on the inside.
Why did Lemongrab 2 make such a drastic personality change from the original? As Princess Bubblegum mentioned in "Too Old", the last time she saw them they were completely identical. Then it hit me. It was precisely because they were so alike that caused Lemongrab 2 to become Lemongrab 1's polar opposite. Lemongrab has repeatedly shown an inability to read social cues, and is unable to understand the effects of his actions towards others. This reached its height in "Another Five More Short Graybles" where Lemongrab 1 tried to swallow Lemongrab 2 in a fit of rage after his Lemon Sweets doll is broken. The trauma of this act causes Lemongrab 2 to finally realize how much an obnoxious jerk he and the Earl are to those in the Candy Kingdom, because he and his brother were the exact same in personality and temperament. To him, it was like gazing into a mirror and witnessing his own flaws. As a result, he becomes much more subdued, not raising his voice nor objecting to his cruel treatment from his brother's hands because he believes he deserves to be punished out of guilt.
Actually, I'm fairly certain that it's just because he got mostly eaten. I think in doing so, he metaphorically became 'less Lemongrab', in other words become kinder and more sane. The lesser of him there is, the nicer he is, basically. This is supported by his (possibly) last words: "It has cost me much but I have learned that Lemon need not squeeze lemon to survive." By costing him much, he's obviously talking about how he lost most of his body. He got kinder, though it cost him a lot to do so. Similarly, Lemongrab 1 became much crueler and crazier because he had eaten so much of his brother. By consuming Lemongrab, he became MORE Lemongrab... if that makes any sense.
This very interesting analysis posits another alternative reason. Tl;dr, the differences between the Lemongrabs is the result of the very different circumstances of their respective creation and lives. Lemongrab lived a life of rejection and loneliness that caused him to desperately crave acceptance from "normal" society and that was the cause of most of his unpleasantness to others and jealous hatred of Lemonhope. Lemongrab 2, by contrast, had always been in a place of acceptance and companionship and harbored none of Lemongrab's resentment or insecurities.
From the Wham Episode page on the relatively new game Adventure Time: Explore the Dungeon Because I DON'T KNOW!: "The game also gives insight into Lemongrab's turn to the dark side. This game revealed that Princess Bubblegum lured both Lemongrabs into an underground lair for the purpose of experimenting on them and torturing them. While Lemongrab 2 doesn't seem to entirely let this affect him, this seemed to be what entirely shattered what was left of Lemongrab's empathy."
In "The New Frontier", it's stated that when the Cosmic Owl appears in a dream, it means that the dream is revealing the circunstances of the one of the people appearing there (likely the dreamer). In "Prisoners of Love", however, the Ice King casually encounters the Cosmic Owl ("you're a sociopath!"). It seems like a contradiction, but there's a possible explanation: since the crown has given Simon an unnaturally long life, it's possible that the Cosmic Owl has appeared several times during occasions where the Ice King (as a human) would've normally died, but didn't due to his powers (sort of like "failed" croak dreams); maybe, the Owl could do this as a reminder to Simon that he lives on borrowed time. To support this, in "Prisoners of Love", the dream appears after the Ice King has fallen unconscious due to Finn kicking him very hard. He even gets cartoony "dead eyes".
Why would Maja consider Princess Bubblegum's shirt that she got from Marceline more sentimental than Hambo even though Marceline clearly had a deep connection with it? Because as we've seen recently, Princess Bubblegum has to forgo her emotions and morals in order to rule her kingdom, as well as to make sure that she can make clear progress with her experiments. Because of this, Bubblegum's repressed emotions and ethics would only have one outlet, the shirt Marceline gave her! This is why Maja wanted the shirt, after she got the energy she needed from Hambo, she got the only thing that Bubblegum ever treasured, giving her emotional energy that was greater than Hambo altogether!
Also remember, Marceline has begun to reconcile with Ice King. She wouldn't need to place as much value on Hambo anymore if she has Simon himself. Bubblegum and Marceline? Not so much.
Also, PB being willing to give the shirt up says something about her when thought about in the context of her obsession with being a logical ruler: the shirt was a source of emotion for her, and she wanted to purge herself of such things. Helping Marceline may have been part of it, but it also may have just been an excuse to do what she's believed needed to be done for a long time.
"A thought: Lemonhope must have existed before "Too Old," because the Princess erased the candy-life formula from the Lemongrabs' heads back in "All Your Fault." Lemonhope must have been created at the same time as all the other lemon children. So why didn't we see him around back in"All Your Fault?" Because he was locked in the bathroom."
Lemongrab once told the princess that she was "too old!" but he didn't mean that metaphorically. He actually meant it, as of "The Vault" We see that PB is a lot older than we think, so she really is "Too Old" For all of this.
Remember in "The Creeps" when Jake said Finn must have been imagining the Ghost Lady? He was right...kind of.
Lemongrab 2 ultimately being a better person than the original isn't that surprising. When Princess Bubblegum made this Lemongrab she actually knew what she was doing. That and he didn't have to live with the baggage of being considered a reject, as mentioned above.
In Play date the Ice King is seen wearing his crown, which should be in Gunter's head as he is rebuilding the Ice Kingdom, by the end of the episode we learn that Gunter has already finished rebuilding, and the Ice King is lying so he can stay longer with Finn and Jake.
"Return to the Nightosphere" and "Daddy's Little Monster" actually contain a bit of a Stealth Pun; the bananas are excrement. In other words, that shit is bananas.
Notice the features of the Ice King: cold skin, long beard, long pointy nose, pointy teeth, pointy ears, and a power over frost and ice. Where did he find the Ice Crown that made him that way? Northern Scandinavia. The Ice Crown didn't just turn him into a ice-powered mutant, it turned him into a Jotun. (remember, original Norse folktales are remarkably ambiguous about the actual size of jotuns. For the Ice King to be human sized rather than what we'd think of as a "giant" isn't at all far fetched)
In "Red Throne", Cinnamon is much more competent and capable than he ever was before. What happened? Perhaps living in the Fire Kingdom is the cause. Back in "The Other Tarts", Princess Bubblegum explains Cinnamon Bun's stupidity as him being "half baked". She wasn't using a euphemism, she actually meant he wasn't fully cooked. Cinnamon Bun's fire protection doesn't completely protect him and his time in the Fire Kingdom has baked him to perfection, increasing his intelligence and maturity as well. This is backed up in the scene where he takes a fireball to the face and it makes his sunken, impacted eyes pop out and permanently become wide and alert.
A combination of this and Tear Jerker. In a tragic example of Truth in Television, it's sadly very common for children with abusive parents, usually physically abusive parents, to grow up and become abusive to their own children. Lemongrab's horrific treatment of his children seems to be the result of his traumatic first years... which were initially presented in a comedic light...
The difference in morality between the two Lemongrabs was actually well foreshadowed. When Lemongrab and Lemongrab 2 were playing with the Lemonsweet doll they had vastly different ideas about how it should be treated. Lemongrab 2 wanted to put it to bed so it could get some rest while Lemongrab 1 wanted it to keep dancing for his own amusement.The differences were already fairly clear.
Princess Bubblegum has been basically confirmed to be Really 700 Years Old. This adds yet another reason for her to avoid romantic relationships, and especially a relationship with Finn — while he likely hasn't realized it yet, she's going to outlive him by a long, long time. Possibly doubles as Fridge Horror.
Fridge Horror Part 1
Betty is dead
Betty obviously died in the mushroom war as the Ice King's logs started way before the bombs began to fall, meaning that he is doomed to wander the Earth, still searching for his 'Princess' forever, because the crown keeps him alive and his madness keeps him from remembering that Betty has been dead of over 1000 years.
Jossed. She jumped into a time portal to Adventure Time's current timeline, created by Simon after a being of Anti-Magic temporarly undid the crown's effects.
That adds a lighter bit of Fridge Horror: because she was transported over a thousand years into the future, all her loved ones will have to deal with the trauma of her apparent death. Granted it's better than them all dying in the Mushroom War, but still kind of sad.
In Mystery Dungeon, IK's book is given life by the life giver who later appears in Little Dude. That means it's evil. That's why it stomps on IK & farts on him. The book can be heard saying "Write in me!" multiple times & when IK is talking to Fionna in the imagination zone & N.E.P.T.R. is talking to IK while pretending to be Fionna the book says "Write it down! Write it down!". What will happen when IK inevitably does write in him? Will he unleash evil versions of most of the cast of Adventure Time With Fionna & Cake who know everything they need to know to manipulate their nice counterparts?
It's often hinted that The Land of Ooo is a post-apocalyptic wasteland, which means that all of its fun, quirky characters are more or less the end result of a nuclear war and the ensuing genetic mutation from radiation. It's more depressing than horrifying, but if it makes viewers feel any better, there's also magic involved.
Spongebob is a show which features a similar back story only it has less magic and a more real history (Bikini Atoll and the Operation Crossroads 'Baker' nuclear test shot).
The rainicorns ate "soy people" a delicious human substitute... the thing is, considering all the sentient candy in Ooo, how much of a stretch is it to believe that there are sentient people made out of soy?
This would actually explain the cause of the Rainicorn-Dog Wars. Since the dogs would be man's best friend.
Finn's Idiot Hero tendencies are a lot less funny when you consider the amount of times he's been hit in the head...
In "The Other Tarts" what would have happened if Finn's plan had worked, and he had delivered his tarts first?
On the subject of that episode, I think I understand what the Royal Tart Toter meant. Now remember, he's blind and deaf and senses people through their movement. After no one appears to be around he muses to himself: "This cosmic dance of bursting decadence and withheld permissions twists all our arms collectively, but if sweetness can win, and it can, then I'll still be here tomorrow to high-five you yesterday, my friend. Peace." The Tart Toter knows there are people in the room and is hopelessly trying to reach out to them. "Bursting decadence" = his entrance. "Withheld permissions" = everyone purposely holding still to hide themselves from his only sense. The rest basically explains his torture and hope to redeem his own insanity in the eyes of his peers through "sweetness" by constantly committing himself to his job despite his ailments. "I'll still be here tomorrow to high-five you yesterday" = he's blind, deaf and insane. Everyday has been the same day for him, but he acknowledges that time moves on for others. In that sense, he'll forever continue to try and reach out in hopes of returning to that feeling he once knew.
Also, thinking about the Tart Toter, notice that the episode cuts to black right after Finn moves? Remember how the Toter can FEEL movement?
Another thing to remember, what's the candy kingdom doing about it? It seems more interested to sweep him under the rug instead of locking him up to help cure whatever happened to him.
On the same note, why isn't LEMONGRAB receiving some kind of mental help for whatever the hell HIS problem is?!
PB, upon looking at Lemongrab's brain (and thoughts), decided he was fine, for a Whatever-He-Is. "They're just like that."
The Royal Tart Toter, along with the other mentally ill candy people, are in the Candy Kingdom Mental Hospital, and they're doing pretty well. Lemongrab, however... we're not really sure. According to the comic, he screams in an empty room during his free time. Wouldn't be a stretch to say he isn't doing too well in the show, either.
In "Ricardio the Heart Guy" Princess Bubblegum tells Ricardio she'll give him some candy. Does she do this to people who are sad? Give them her subjects to eat?
In several episodes, "Susan Strong" being one of them, it's shown that everything in the Candy Kingdom is edible.
Peebs has eaten varying amounts of her subjects onscreen on multiple occasions and noone seems to take too much issue with it
The Lich is shown with the ability to Body Surf if his present body is defeated. How do we know his rotten, decaying body was his original one?
On this subject, at the end of "Mortal Recoil," Princess Bubblegum appears to act younger to go along with her literally becoming younger. Is she still the same person? Has she lost her memory of most if not all of her life after age thirteen, or even earlier?
She probably is the same person, just more...hormone-y. After all, she recognized Finn as a hero...
Pretty much everyone recognizes Finn as a hero.
True, but so far it's really just implied she's become younger physically. It never really gave any indication if she has lost memory or anything like that. Or if what your saying is true, at least it hasn't shown this yet.
Also on the subject of the Lich... He was imprisoned above Princess Bubblegum's castle all this time? Just imagine if the candy people found out... Explosions everywhere.
In "The Pods" it apparently turns out the Baby Pigs from the 1st pod are evil, but here's a thought: What it it was the Fairy Wands that were actually evil? What if they have the ability to corrupt the minds of anyone that uses them and turns them evil as long as they hold onto them, but they need someone with a weak free will, such as little baby piggies. This could mean that Finn and Jake essentially exploded... meaning KILLED... innocent baby piglets...
I had not only that thought, but the thought that the ice cream pod could also be evil, in a fashion. It's shown leaking melted ice cream out of the pod, meaning that the ice cream doesn't just sit there inside until it gets eaten, it oozes out, and then presumably regenerates inside the pod. If no one ate the ice cream (doesn't seem likely in the context it was opened, but what if it opened in a world where everyone was lactose intolerant?), it would drip out infinitely until the entire world drowned in the stuff. Plus, it kills pigs. It seemed to me that none of the things in the pods were inherently good or evil; the pigs are fine until they use the wands unsupervised, the wands are fine if their powers are used responsibly, and the ice cream is fine unless no one eats it (or kills it at the source by chopping the plant down).
It is very likely the pod with the wands was the evil one. Why? Because the pig pod and the ice cream pod look like healthy, green bean sprouts. The bean sprout containing the wands is a sickly yellow color and covered in barbs.
It's often overlooked in Mortal Folly (probably overshadowed by all of the other horror in the episode) that on the other side of the ocean there's the post-apocalyptic remains of civilization, which brings up the question of why the lich's lair was there and might bring up some more ideas to explain Finn's fear of the ocean...
It wasn't the ocean, it was Iceberg Lake, which is why Finn's ocean phobia never came up.
One intended one in "Morituri te Salutamus". When Finn defeats the Fight King, he notices that all of the freed gladiator ghosts are walking off in pairs. Finn guesses that they are friends, much like him and Jake. Keep in mind that the Fight King hypnotized Finn with raw power to kill his best friend. Not to mention that, during their fights, the ghosts kept asking for forgiveness, presumably from the friends that they killed.
If one pays attention to the wounds on the gladiator ghosts and the weapons that they wield, one can quickly determine the gladiator pairs that killed each other with.
The horror gets worse when you realize they were all more than friends - they were lovers who were forced to kill each other.
That's a stretch. Nowhere is that implied to be the case- rather, the gladiators were implied to have been friends (much like Finn and Jake themselves) who were forced to fight one another to the death.
It's hardly a stretch when you consider 1. Word of God has already confirmed that all the gladiators were lovers to their respective partners, 2. They were also confirmed to all be same-sex pairs, and 3. In the episode proper, one of them shouts out "Hyperion! My love!" 4. Of course they couldn't be overt about the implication, but the implications are still there.
Not really a Horror as such but it doesn't really fit in Headscratchers either. In one episode, The Ice King wonders if he just needs to have a good night's sleep to be happy. He's about 600 according to Pen Ward. So has the Ice King just never slept, or at least not properly? That's... horrible.
Here's the horror for you: if this is the case, it's the crown that disturbs his sleep. It's a semi-sentient magical artifact that caused Simon's madness. Also a possibility that his lack of rest may have contributed to his madness.
In the Nightosphere episode, Gunther is described as absolute evil. What does this mean for his baby?
I always thought that Gunther is a different penguin each time or the Ice King loves the name Gunther.
This was proven in Holly Jolly Secrets when Ice King refers to two penguins as Gunter in the same video. So you can have the evil Gunter, the pregnant Gunter, and the bottle breaking Gunter. But then this brings up issues in Reign of the Gunters, since the single one shows traits of all three: being evil enough to conquer Ooo, having a relationship with the cat, and then being attracted to breaking bottles.
The Reveal in "Adventure Time with Fionna and Cake" causes so many Fridge Horror thoughts that it's not even funny.
One thing I noticed is that when it is revealed that the episode is a fanfic the Ice King wrote, even though he has the characters heap praises and adoration on him, he still had his gender flipped insert character lose. He wrote Ice Queen to be more competent and evil than him, but she still fails to get Prince Gumball. Does anyone else think that this is a sad reflection on how Ice King views himself?
The bag of catnip given to Cake by Prince Gumball, who turned out to be the Ice Queen... what was really in it? Could the Ice Queen have tried to poison Cake? And since Cake didn't necessarily ever find out that it was really the Ice Queen that gave it to her, she may have even used it!
Finn trying to leave to Jake in "No One Can Hear You", considering Jake's mental state at the time. The most important thing in the world to Jake was his surprise birthday fantasy, which he believed to have been waiting six months for. It must have been heartbreaking for Jake when even his best friend didn't believe him, and then lied and tried to escape twice. That was probably what caused him to completely lose it in the sewer.
How about Finn's legs in that episode? forgetting for a moment if 6 months was enough time to recover from such an injure or not the fact is that her forced himself to run, not walk, after having his legs in a plaster during that time, without doing the proper recovery.
In the two-year span of the series, Finn has fought any number of terrifying, potentially world-destroying monsters; almost lost his loved ones; almost been killed himself too many times to count; been possessed (twice!); and is basically responsible for the whole frickin' world. He is twelve at the start of the series, and is already quite battle-hardened - like, years-of-combat-experience battle-hardened. This would imply that he has been dealing with all the above, in addition to normal childhood problems, since he was less than ten years old.
And his parents are dead, so he wouldn't even have mature guidance through all of this.
Adventure Time has a really huge one. The series is implies that Finn and Jake are running around in post-apocalyptic Earth. Multiple times throughout the series, they reference a great war that took place many years ago. Finn is apparently the only human left in this multicolored world riddled with artifacts of human life, like broken down cars, computer stuff, and the occasional human skull. Now if you look at the opening sequence to every Adventure Time episode, there are three nukes, embedded into the hillside. The entire world of Adventure Time is full of sentient candy, giant monsters, evil creatures, and humanoid animal crosses. What kind of horrible radiation storm took place to make all of that?
In the first episode, the character Cinnamon Bun is seen attempting to do a backflip after. He fails. Episodes after that, Cinnamon Bun speaks like and acts like a person with serious brain damage. We just watched a character get brain damage and laughed at it.
In Adventure Time, the episode "The Pods" has a group of baby pigs, wands and a large supply of ice cream come out of three separate pods, one of which is evil. But add in Alternate Character Interpretation, and it would make it look like the wands were truly evil and possessing the baby piggies, which would explain why one of them put ice cream as an allergy. It means that it would kill them and it was being honest.
Think about The Lich for a moment. Ageless, endless creature who is also known for trying to end the world as we all know it? Who's to say he didn't succeed the first time. Perhaps HE is the cause of the Apocalypse.
In "Guardians of Sunshine", Finn and Jake get inside Beemo. One can't help but wonder if Beemo felt violated afterwards, especially after they literally tear a hole breaking out of him.
Another question would be how those monsters in the game got in there? Does this mean when people play videogames they're playing with prisoners of a video game prison?
In "Holly Jolly Secrets" Ice King AKA Simon just put on the crown once and it made him do terrible things. What was in that crown? Was it the previous owner that gave Simon the wizard eyes? Add in the fact that Simon seemed obsessed with the crown more and more each couple of times he had it on. Was that part of the crown too?
Why he obsesses over girls with "Princess" in their name? That's the only remnant of his memory of his fiancé, Betty. He called her his princess...
Here comes the kicker. Early production of Adventure Time had Princess Bubblegum's first name as Betty. If indeed we're dealing with the same person, every time Finn defeats the Ice King and saves PB, he is keeping the fiancees apart. This makes Finn the evil one.
Not quite, unless you think keeping women who no longer want to be with their fiance safe from them is evil; she clearly does not want to be his bride, even if she once did.
There's also line from "Fiona and Cake" were Fiona tells Cake not to wear Ice Queen's crown or her crazy might rub off on her. Since it was all a fanfic by Ice King...
Wouldn't this mean that deep down, waaay deep down, the Ice King knows he's crazy and he's asking his help? It's like he's imprisoned inside his own mind...
One has to wonder what other horrifying events caused things in Ooo to be the way they are. Besides the whole nuclear holocaust thing, anything weird and quirky could be a horrifying Deconstruction in disguise.
The episode "When Wedding Bells Thaw" has a helpless princess trapped by an ice based object with the real person screaming for help in her mind. Harsher in Hindsight does not begin to describe it.
In the final video diary, Simon is almost at full Ice King appearance and he is tearfully telling whomever finds the tapes to watch over him to make sure he doesn't hurt anyone. Did he realize how far gone he was at that point or did he hurt someone very badly, even killed them?
This has even more horrifying implications when you find out that Marceline was traveling around with the Ice King while he was being driven crazy. Imagine Marceline being changed to a vampire because it was the only way to save her from a frozen death when Simon had an episode and attacked her.
Considering Jake has already put the Ice King's crown on his head, on multiple occasions, could he eventually become like the Ice King as well?
It's implied in "Holly Jolly Secrets" and somewhat in "Finn the Human/Jake the Dog" that the crown works out of an impulse to protect its wearer. Seeing as Simon is still alive, the crown might not get too attached to Jake.
The crown Ice King's using still turning Ice King more and more insane as the series goes on. Look at him in the Animated Short and look at him in "Still". One can tell Ice King isn't exactly stable compared to when he was first shown.
The rhyme Finn says in "Marceline's Closet" could be about a nuclear bomb and it's mushroom cloud, similar to how "Ring Around the Rosie" refers to the Black Death:
Over the mountain the ominous cloud, coming to cover the land in a shroud, hide in a bushel, a basement, or cave, but when the Cloud comes a' hunting, no one is safe!
Why does Wildberry Princess have so much meat around, anyway?
It's an old-fashioned thing, in The Lord of the Rings Gimli is awed by the Lady Galadriel's beauty and asks for a lock of her hair. Shows up in the movie too.
He probably just kept some from that time he had to get it to save Jake from the wood witch and she didn't want ti because it was gum.
When it was stated that after the war all the magic on earth returned, that must mean that humans were the reason it couldn't exist.
Not necessarily; there's plenty of evidence that humans continued on in some form after the war, and after magic's return, most notably Finn's existence itself. Since it's suggested that Lady Rainicorn's parents were around in a time when humans were plentiful and may have subsequently been hunted to near-extinction by rainicorns, and we can safely say rainicorns are magic, it might have been something else. WMG here, but this troper's theory is that Marceline's dad has something to do with it.
Also, some magical artifacts (such as the Ice King's crown and the Enchiridion) seem to have been around LONG before the war. It's also safe to say that Marceline's dad and the Nightosphere are not new, and Marceline herself seems to have had a human mother.
In "Freak City", there's a town on fire that is near to where Gork and the other Freaks are. Gork has the ability to spit out lava, and sense the town's inhabitants hate the freaks, Gork was the reason that town was on fire.
He was likely trying to get revenge, but it could have been accidental or something else.
They already had the episode for that; PPP is just a really bad case of mutation.
If there is a consistency to how the afterlife in Ooo works, then the events of "Ghost Princess" suggest that a person could potentially be doomed to not remembering anything about their life and not being able to ascend for eternity. Now that's a depressing thought.
Jesse Moynihan recently said that Princess Bubblegum isn't just Lemongrab's creator... She's his MOTHER. That's right- Too Young was basically a whole episode about a mother abandoning her mentally unstable child, and bullying him. It isn't as funny to watch her push him to the ground, call him names, incessantly cause him physical pain by spicing, cause him to fall out of a castle window and smash his head into the ground, fall out of a tree... He may not be a nice person, but it's Princess Bubblegum's fault that he's like that. Instead of helping him, it seems as if she's more content to stick him a castle and have him raised by servants in isolation, and be borderline abusive to him. With this knowledge in mind, Too Young isn't really as funny anymore- it's really freaking depressing and disturbing. Even more-so that the creators of the show always manage to justify PB's abuse and neglect.
Keep in mind that Princess Bubblegum was only 13 years old at the time. She doesn't have the mental or emotional maturity that would come with being a "parent" to Lemongrab, and probably lost her maternal instinct as well. She was also probably still figuring out how to deal with Lemongrab and sticking him in an isolated castle where he can't hurt innocent people (regardless of whether he can "help" it or not), was probably the best solution before she made a companion for him.
Here's one involving, once again, the Lich, possibly also involving What Could Have Been. Wrap you head around this: as we know, the Lich was originally called the Lich King (changed because of a villain from World of Warcraft with the same name). As we also know, throughout the series, we've met a series of royalty who each rule over their own land and people. Bubblegum Princess has the Candy Kingdom (all of the people are sweets/pastries and the main city is one big gingerbread castle), the Ice King has the Ice Kingdom (a large frozen tundra), Lumpy Space Princess (lives in Lumpy Space), Hotdog Princess is ruler of the hotdog people, Wildberry Princess has Wildberry Kingdom, Duke of Nuts with the Duchy of Nuts, Fight King has the Fight Arena, etc., etc.. With this in mind, I can only ask this: does/did the Lich King have his own kingdom? And if he does, is it occupied by the undead or Liches?
This is possibly what he was trying to achieve by killing everything in Ooo.
The Lich King might be the King of the Humans returned from the dead.
It seems that he is, in fact, a human who was mutated by the Mushroom Bomb.
From the recent two-parter Nightosphere special. First of all, the horrible condition the horrible, literally hellish condition the demons live in.
Secondly, the two major cases of Fate Worse than Death- the demon who was forced to continuously vomit bananas forever (especially considering that, for demons, bananas are basically excrement), and the demon whose head was transformed into abs.
Third, the implications that Hunson's father is an even worse person than Hunson.
The demons you see are drawn in a different style than most of the characters, notably the wide, almond eyes with dull pupils and their lemon-shaped heads. Who else is drawn in this style?
Lemongrab was on vacation in the Nightosphere. The agonized screams make him feel more at home. He was white because he slathered his naked self in sunscreen, to avoid having his butt set on fire.
I think you're forgetting the realisation that Hunson has been raised for over a millennium by an amulet of pure Chaotic Evil. Such evil is so virulent it can even corrupt Finn. Given that the Nightosphere is basically Hell, it would stand to reason that the amulet is SATAN HIMSELF.
If Bananas are the equivalent of demonic feces, that means that a portal to the nightosphere has been or was at some point open millenia ago. For thousands of years, humans have been ingesting demon dung.
This raises some disturbing questions about the Candy Kingdom's Banana Guards.
Goliad was locked in PB's basement.
Goliad is made from the DNA in PB's tooth, went crazy and turned more or less evil. What does this say about PB? Especially when one considers that the counter to Goliad is a Sphinx made from Finn's DNA that turns down ruling the kingdom just to keep Goliad in check, locked in a psychic battle. FOR ALL TIME. Finn is too good for PB.
It seems pretty clear that PB's got some dangerous sides to her. She made a potion that would freeze someone forever, and her male counterpart, Prince Gumball, used a race of gummy people as DECOR while assuring Fionna and Cake that they weren't alive and sentient.
You even see them on the castle walls in the next episode....
The fact that we are seeing the Ice King, though seemingly nicer after "Holly Jolly Secrets" but batshit insane during "Princess Monster Wife", in the final days of his sanity, a man who for a brief moment seemed to be slightly normal. The crown would have none of that and somehow forced the Ice King to forget his past and continue his descent into pure madness.
The crown is Fridge Horror in itself. Whoever wears it is warped both physically and mentally until they're a pale imitation of their former self. You have to wonder why it does this, and, more alarmingly, who made it?
Does Lemongrab know that he's a failed experiment, and know how messed-up he is in the head? For a combination of Fridge Horror and a HUUUGE Fridge Tear Jerker, we have Princess Bubblegum saying: "He was the first one of my experiments gone wrong," RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. Also, Ian James-Quartey said, about Lemongrab's birthday, it's the day he remembers that "someone tried to play God and messed up." What kind of horrible, twisted, mangled excuse for a self concept does this poor bastard have?!
Imagine suddenly waking up in a dark, creepy room- having no idea who or where you are or what is going on, and trying to run away or call for help, only to be rendered immobile and unable to communicate in any way but screaming hideously. Then imagine learning a little about your situation- learning that you're a failed experiment that your own creator doesn't even want or like. THEN imagine what it must be like to be totally unable to read social cues, talk normally, or express yourself in a way that doesn't cause people to be put off by you, leading to an extremely isolated, friendless life. Also, add onto that having no family, and no people who care about you. THIS is Lemongrab's whole life. Holy shit.
Which, really, is basically the plot of Frankenstein.
Also, as previously noted under the Nightosphere entry, Lemongrab is drawn in the same slightly different style as the demons. In fact, one of the demons seen near the beginning of that episode outside of Finn and Jake's cell looks eerily similar to Lemongrab.
That ain't creepy. Many characters drawn by Jesse Moynihan and Tom Herpich have very similar Lemongrab-ish characteristics, especially those eyes. But yeah. I had to rewind that Nightosphere episode when I thought I saw what appeared to be Lemongrab's albino twin. Weird...
Perhaps LG takes his naked vacations in the Nightosphere, and likes walking around naked, covered in sunscreen (hence why he was white?)
Goliad is no longer heir to the throne, seeing as how she is physically unable to rule. If PB dies... that means Lemongrab will inherit the throne. *shudder* Imagine Too Young, on a much more epic scale; only imagine Lemongrab after he's been informed that his creator (who has been implied to be his mom, and therefore the only family he has) has passed away. Take a guy who's emotionally unstable already, then kill his mom, and make him the ruler of a kingdom he DESPISES. Yup- the candy people are doomed.
It's an even more disturbing realization after the events of "Too Old". Imagine how oppressive life in the Candy Kingdom would be with a sadistic, cannibalistic murderer on the throne.
PB is already cannibalistic although certainly not as much as lemongrab.
Lemongrab is unable to read social cues, has intensely narrow interests and obsessions, lacks social recipricocy and empathy, is often angry, depressed, and anxious, doesn't understand humor, has an irregular manner of speaking, has difficulty controlling the volume of his voice, is an exceedingly picky eater, is obsessed with order, has few self-help skills, and expresses his emotions in ways that confuse people. The earl clearly meets all of the diagnostic criteria for autism, and nobody is helping him to adjust or be happy. This autistic troper is horrified that even the earl's own MOM doesn't give a damn about the poor sour bastard's mental well-being.
Lacking empathy is not a trait of autism, not is being angry or not understanding humour.
They're not traits for autism, but they can be side effects. Lemongrab's life isn't exactly a happy one. And not understanding humor makes sense, since many forms of humor involve not meeting social expectations and Lemongrab doesn't understand social expectations. And speaking as a person on the spectrum, it's not a matter of lacking empathy but not knowing how to show it.
Goliad is a Physical God level being, as well as immortal, and clearly has no value for life in the slightest. Imagine what would happen if her corruption wasn't discovered until she got the idea to kill the one standing between her and the throne, the only one smart enough to create another Candy Spinx capable of combating her.
In "Beyond This Earthly Realm" The Ice King mentions that his Wizard Eyes allow him to see spiritual beings and he seems to have a massive phobia of the weird creatures that inhabit the spiritual realm. Then consider that in "Holly Jolly Secrets" he says he screamed at and fought with his "visions" when he put on the crown, that makes his phobia of them a bit more disturbing, they probably helped to drive him insane.
Adventure Time is one of the most horrid examples of There Are No Therapists in the history of television. The Ice King is obviously insane, and more than a few characters are aware of this. Nobody is helping him. Lemongrab (love him or hate him) is... well, mentally unadjusted. Nobody is helping him. The Royal Tart Toter is VERY obviously insane. Nobody is helping him. The demons in the jail of the Nightosphere are obviously intellectually disabled. NOBODY IS HELPING THEM. What is wrong with people?!
You can weep beautiful tears of joy now. The Candy Kingdom has a mental hospital. The Tart Toter is there. The mentally ill candy people are getting the help they need. But... yeah. The Ice King and Lemongrab? Not much hope for them...
The Ice King really can't be helped, because the the thing causing his insanity (his Crown) is also the thing keeping him alive. As for Lemongrab, well, PB did make him a clone so he'd have a companion who understands him.
It has a mental hospital, but they've never heard of restraint minimization. People seem to be kept in straitjackets as a matter of course, Hollywood Dress Code for "mental patient".
However, there do not appear to be many child services in Ooo. When you think about it, it's a little disturbing that everyone is perfectly okay with a young boy (12 at the start of the series, and implied to have been doing this much longer) regularly risking his life (and worse), recieving no education, and living with no supervision or protection, except for his slightly-older brother. Even PB is okay with it - shouldn't it be her job to ensure that he gets some semblence of a normal childhood? I mean, he can barely even spell.
In the original short Jake says he's 28. Remember, dogs mature faster. Granted, that's still a little young to be taking care of your baby brother.
Of course, their parents would have died when Jake was much younger, so the fridge horror still applies.
Princess Bubblegum outright said Goliad was too powerful for Finn to beat. Think about the kinds of things PB trusts Finn and Jake to take out, including the freaking Lich, and the fact she views Goliad as too much for him to handle paints a pretty scary image.
Princess Bubblegum playing favorites with her experiments. What does she do with Lemongrab? She sticks him in a gilded cage outside of the kingdom so she doesn't have to deal with him. What does she do with Goliad? She's sweet to her and even sends her to nursery school.
On the other hand, Goliad was also kind (at that point) while Lemongrab is a Jerkass, and was implied to have simply been born that way. While it's still a little disturbing, it may not be so much playing favorites as one of her creations being more tolerable to be around than the others. Ironically, the one she treated best was the one who also turned pure evil.
Also remember that PB was going on several days of no sleep, so her judgement was...not exactly sound.
The Royal Tart Toter is insane- we all know that. He's also deaf and blind. He has bites taken out of his shoulders, arms, and legs. Once assumes that monsters or creatures were eating him on his twisted journeys as he wandered around Ooo, trying to deliver his "tarts" (a squirrel and a pigeon) to the royal palace. However, the truth is even worse than that. In "Princess Cookie," we see the Royal Tart Toter in the Candy Kingdom mental hospital. He's wearing an Elizabeth's collar- a plastic collar worn by animals to keep them from biting their stitches or wounds. THE ROYAL TART TOTER WAS EATING HIMSELF!
If one considers the foreign dubs to have any canonical significance, this one is a HUGE crossover between Fridge Horror and Tear Jerker. At the end of Too Young, Lemongrab is heard mumbling to himself, obviously upset about being fired and called a "butt." In the English dub, he's muttering incomprehensibly, and we can't understand him. In the Spanish dub, we can clearly hear what he's saying: "No one loves me. Everyone hates me." In addition to piling another heaping layer of sadness onto his already troubled character, that also says that Lemongrab believes that everyone hates him. He believes the world is out to get him, and is as aware of his status as The Chew Toy as the audience is. What must it be like to live like that?
Expansion on a theory mentioned above. Princess Bubblegum was shown to have treated the mild-mannered Goliad with respect and care, and asked Finn and Jake to take her to nursery school. However, she acted nothing but ashamed of the mentally disturbed Lemongrab, and sent him away to live an isolated life in a castle with servants to tend to his every whim, and no friends. Goliad turned out to be evil when she took Jake's bad example. Now... if Goliad turned evil after being treated with kindness, think about how Lemongrab is doing in his castle, after being treated as less than a person, pranked in painful ways, fired, insulted, then replaced. Has his mind completely snapped after the months/years of isolation, loneliness, and deprivation of family and friends? Is he actually evil now? If not, is he completely mentally unstable? Who's to say that Lemongrab won't go completely batshit and try to hurt Princess Bubblegum now? Who's to say that he hasn't gone completely insane already, and is currently wallowing in his own mental illness, his anger slowly festering into a terrible disease?
In "Too Old", Lemongrab has gone completely insane. The companionship of Lemongrab 2 and the lemon children wasn't enough to prevent his descent into madness and depravity. "Too Old" shows him as a child abuser, cannibal, and sadistic tyrant over his earldom.
Lemongrab is the first of Princess Bubblegum's experiments gone wrong. THE FIRST ONE- not the ONLY one. Lemongrab is isolated, angry, socially inept, alone, perpetually unhappy, and seriously anxious. HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE THERE?! How many failed experiments are now SUFFERING because of Princess Bubblegum?
When Death accepts Abraham Lincoln's immortality in "Sons of Mars", his head rattles and we hear - A GUNSHOT. Since Death exists outside of time, he can claim that immortality whenever he wants. John Wilkes Booth's bullet would not have killed Lincoln in that theater in 1865 if not for the events of THIS EPISODE!
"BMO Noir" seems to take place entirely in BMO's mind. None of the animals actually talk; that's just BMO doing the voices. Only NEP Tr's presence verifies that anything actually happened, and even NEP Tr is suspect since he tends to just go along with whatever crazy thing is happening around him. BMO is going insane, and this episode is evidence of it.
I don't know about insane, BMO is portrayed as child like so this is likely just him pretending. And this isn't the first instance of animals talking. NEPTR just does whatever anyone tells him.
Also, Finn already proved that BMO does weird stuff when nobody's around, so this was probably just more of the same.
We all know that Lemongrab is more than a little mentally disturbed and has No Social Skills. But what is the extent of his social retardation? We saw him upsetting a LOT of people in "Too Young" unintentionally. But it appears that this aspect of his character will take a darker turn in "You Made Me!". He actually watches Princess Bubblegum sleep. Waaay creepy. He went from an insufferable Jerkass to a downright creepy Stalker Without A Crush. If you think of his total inability to relate to people... how far could this guy push social boundaries? Could he actually traumatize someone without knowing it? The guy is socially what Lenny of Of Mice and Men is physically. Lenny accidentally kills people because he doesn't know his own strength. What is Lemongrab capable of doing and not knowing?
Jake will die when Finn is still young. He may live longer than a normal dog due to his magical powers, but in "Dad's Dungeon" it was shown that he was still a small puppy while Finn was a baby, so he's at least aging over twice as fast. Finn only has Jake until he's in his twenties or thirties.
There'll probably be some sort of Plot Armor for Jake. Either that or the creator will be smart enough to pull the plug before Seasonal Rot has the chance to occur.
Then again, he may have been a child, not a baby. So he'd still be aging a bit faster than Finn, but not enough to really matter.
Keep in mind that we're talking about a talking, thinking, bipedal, fully anthropomorphic dog here (and yes, his whole species is like this). His biology is probably quite different from the dogs we know, even without his powers.
I always thought that the main reason Jake's dad assumed he needed to build a dungeon to toughen up Finn was that he never realized that humans age slower than dogs, so he assumed Finn and Jake were about the same age and Finn was just... weaker. Of course, this would mean that Jake really does age faster.
The Ice King has been stealing princesses LONG before Finn showed up. It is likely that he has already forced a princess to marry him. The Ice King has EXTREME difficulty empathizing with others, and has been shown blatantly ignoring the screams of terror from his kidnapped princesses. It is entirely possible that the Ice King has raped women, and he was too insane to realize that it was wrong!
Well there have been other heroes in Ooo before Finn (i. e. Billy) who were probably thwarting him.
And he doesn't seem to be interested in sex, so much as he is desperate for companionship. If a princess told him she didn't want to to, it's unlikely he would force her - remember in how sweet and considerate he was to Princess Monster Wife?
Given his "mating" comment to NEPTR, it's indeed possible that the Ice King is in fact a rapist.
It seems like Marceline, at least, would probably hold him back if he ever did go that far. Fortunately, he doesn't seem to be THAT crazy just yet...but that raises the fridge horror of what would happen if his Sanity Slippage continued until he WAS willing to rape a woman, and no one was around to stop him.
And there's a good chance that he wouldn't even know he's doing it.
Lemongrab is an idiot who's Too Dumb to Live and has No Social Skills and Lack of Empathy. Is it possible that, in his own castle, he's imprisoned innocent people, then forgot about them? Has he accidentally killed people by sending them to the dungeon, then forgetting about them?
This is unlikely, as Lemongrab is THE EARL OF NOTHING! Castle Lemongrab has no citizens.
This doesn't preclude the possibility that it used to have citizens.
Which makes PB's reaction, going batshit insane and beating Ricardio to a pulp, to the point where the Ice King needed a new heart, a little more able to be justified. She knew Lady was preggers because at the end PB says she saw it on her heart monitor.
But she couldn't have seen it on the heart monitor until after they all returned to the candy kingdom. PB's violent reaction wasn't a result of seeing a pregnant woman put in danger, it was her friend, note who is not a fighter despite being able to normally hold her own and was only with PB because she was scared for her boyfriend being put in danger. PB explicitly says before the reveal that "she didn't know" and if she had she never would have exposed Lady to a potentially dangerous situation.
Actually, if you look carefully at the heart monitor as they go deeper into the caves, you can see a large dot with five smaller dots next to it, however I don't think PB realised the implications of that until later. Still, "she didn't know" about Lady until PB used the heart monitor, which is long after taking Lady with her on the mission to the ice caves.
Lemongrab is basically a harmless but obnoxious idiot. But still... The thought that he could be in your house, at any time, and watching you sleep every night? And the fact that he is within whatever rights Princess Bubblegum gave him actually makes this worse! Sure, he means no harm, but there's NO way in hell that waking up to see him in your room WOULDN'T be creepy!
"CASTLE LEMONGRAB HAS NO CITIZENS!" Lemongrab shouts in "You Made Me!". Did the citizens leave because of Lemongrab's obnoxiousness? Or has it always been citizen-less? If so... What was Princess Bubblegum thinking when she stuck Lemongrab there alone, with no one but servants? He's been in that castle for over a year. And he doesn't have any friends. There's no way that scenario wouldn't be a lonely one.
I don't know whether this goes in Fridge Brilliance or Fridge Horror. In "Too Young," the first thing Lemongrab does when he is brought to life is scream and flap his arms. Princess Bubblegum explained that he is a failed experiment- therefore, more than a little mentally unstable. However, the title card of "You Made Me!" depicts the scene of Princess Bubblegum bringing Lemongrab to life as a creepy Frankenstein-esque scene. The title cards are not usually canonically what happened in the show- they usually come from a character's imagination. But was the real reason newborn Lemongrab freaked out not because he was crazy, but because what he saw AROUND him (mad scientist, weird machines, dark room, etc.) was disturbing to him? Could the title card of "You Made Me!" be Lemongrab's disturbing perception of what happened when he was "born," and therefore, why he was so frightened when the princess brought him to life?
It's implied that the Title-Card shows Princess Bubblegum creating Lemongrab's clone.
Castle Lemongrab must have one hell of a pantry, then!
Castle Lemongrab's "reconditioning" chamber. Why does it exist? Did Lemongrab have it built in anticipation of new citizens? Or possibly worse: was it always there, as an early attempt at "fixing" LG? He sees nothing at all wrong with using it, despite the creators assuring us he isn't evil...does that imply him using it to "cure" people is a learned behavior? Gives a second meaning to the title 'You Made Me'.
Jesse Moynihan said that Lemongrab has good intentions, but is EXTREMELY misguided and... stupid. Lemongrab probably thought it was a great idea to rehabilitate ner-do-wells in his earldom in this manner. He said "MY reconditioning chamber," implying that he either designed it or built it himself. Princess Bubblegum probably wouldn't entrust the stupid bastard with a torture device, and I don't know about anyone who would willingly consent to building one for such a person.
Or he could have meant "my chamber" as in "the one used on me".
If PB was able to make a second Lemongrab in his kitchen, then he must have had a substantial amount of candy mass lying around. But why would he have sweets when he hates food with any flavor to it? Remember that he has both a torture chamber and a sword he doesn't shy way from using, and we never saw the servants that supposedly care for him.
If Lemongrab's clone hadn't shown up at that moment to calm Lemongrab down and be his friend, it's very possible that Lemongrab would have killed everyone in the room. And if that had happened, Lemongrab's clone would have walked in on a room filled with corpses, and a psychotic, murderous earl. Also keep in mind that Lemongrab's clone was a newborn.
There are now TWO Lemongrabs. Sure... They seemed happy and blissful, but how long will THAT last?
What if both of the Lemongrabs decide to start harassing innocent people?! There's a reason it's called "double trouble!"
This makes the Ice King's speech in Beyond This Earthly Realm terrifying: "Can we pull back the veil of static and reach into the source of all being? Behind this curtain of patterns, this random pattern generator- so clever, right here in every home watching us from a one sided mirror."
Gunter tried to conquer the land of Ooo. He really may be the evilest thing in existance.
A idea: the demonic wishing eye makes one more evil for exchange for a wish. Now, what does that mean if Gunter can use it with little effect on himself...
If Simon hadn't put on the crown, or if somebody else had, he wouldn't have survived the Great Mushroom War.
That might be preferable in hindsight, for him.
Or, imagine if someone who was not as moral and strong-willed as Simon had put on the Crown instead...
On a related note, Marceline is an Anti-Hero and even admits she's somewhat lost track of her moral code. What would she have been like without Simon being there for her?
Similarly, what would Ice King be like if they hadn't met? Without Marceline, Simon (who had lost pretty much everything by that point) would have no reason to fight the Crown and no personal mission to give him the strength to do so. So it's likely that not only would he have succumbed to the Crown much faster, but by the time the series takes place the Crown would have succeeded in completely dominating his mind. That means that the Ice King would have pretty much no humanity or empathy in him at all. You think canon!Ice King is a sociopath? This version would be a million times worse.
When Simon found Hambo for Marceline, he was pink. When we see him in present-day, he's rather raggled and grayish. It could be wear and tear from who-knows-how-long she had it, or at one point Marceline was starving to the point where she had to drink Hambo's red.
Actually, someone on Tumblr pointed out that Hambo still retained much of his redness, whereas the things Marceline actually drinks the red out of turns straight gray. Which leads to the implication that she may have starved because she refused to drink from Hambo...
Actually, actually, she wasn't a vampire back then. Just a demon.
Well, actually actually actually, more like half-demon, otherwise she would be subject to the same magical rules as her father, who's pretty much Satan.
When Simon first found Marceline, she's surrounded in a war zone: flames, destroyed cars, buildings and more horrifyingly, what seems to be empty casings of red bullets on the ground. What's worse: there's no one around for what seems to be miles. Just how long has Marceline stood there, crying her eyes out before Simon found her? Just imagine, being a child surrounded by war and death, with no one to help you.
At the end of "The Lich", Finn and Jake are dragged into an alternate dimension and evidently lose their memories, which is scary enough, but when you think about it you remember that the Lich went through the portal too, exactly as he'd planned. There's no telling what he's up to now that he has access to the multiverse, but it can't be good.
Actually, there's no telling if that's actually what happened. Those two could easily be just alternate versions of Finn and Jake.
WHAT HAPPENED TO BILLY AND HIS LADY!?!? Was Finn sharing Billy's croak dream and the Lich killed him?
The Lich was wearing Billy's SKIN. If that doesn't say "I killed him" I don't know what does.
Though it could also be just a disguise he made himself.
Because all his stuff is there. And Prismo calls him "a ghost wearing a dead guy", so...yeah.
I think we're all forgetting someone - what in the hell happened to Billy's lady? Yes, what happened to him was horrible, but he at least had a chance of fighting back. She, as far as we know, was just a regular old lady (well, as regular as one can be in Ooo), and she was in the dream too. What if she also went over to check on Billy? The only reason he didn't kill Finn and Jake is that he needed them for his plan, and since she would be unable to defend herself...
In the dream, the last we see of her was in the bear's mouth. So yeah...
In "Still", the Ice King offers to make omelette for Finn and Jake for breakfast with the intention of putting his foot in with the eggs, so they can "become closer" by eating a part of him. Bad enough, but think back to the start of the Ice King's attempts when he leaves them in the living room to make lemonade. Jake yells after him not to touch his lemons to make the lemonade, but with the foot in the omelette, there might be something a lot worse than just Jake's lemons in the lemonade...
Aside from all the other fridge horror in "I Remember You", Marceline's Daddy Issues take on a whole new dimension when it's confirmed that she did, indeed, live through the Mushroom War and he was nowhere to be seen, leaving her crying in an apocalyptic, probably radioactive ruin until some random stranger came along and took her in. Said stranger (the Ice King) was very kind to her, at least before the Ice Crown drove him mad, but considering that those situations tend tobring outthe worst in some people... well, let's just say it could have gone very badly.
"Return to the Nightosphere" shows an apparently permanent portal (it has its own room after all) in the Abbadeer house. Another theory is he just left Marcy's mom before Marcy was born and simply never knew about her. Maybe he didn't even know about the war.
Perhaps he didn't care, or worse, maybe that was the point. He wanted her to be traumatized and surrounded by unending horror, death, fear, pain and evil. Kind of like preschool to the nightosphere, preparing her to, as he evidently wished later on chronologically, to take his place as head evil overlord of the series' hell so he could retire. Marceline's dad is a colossal dick.
In Marceline's memory of her dad eating her fries, she looks about 12, and she looks about 5 in the flashback in "I Remember You". The Ice King isn't around in the fry memory. So that means that the most loving father figure she'd ever known was only able to take care of her for a little while before he, too, left her. Poor girl.
Additionally in the fries memory, Marceline is shown fixing Hambo's eye with her last piece of string while saying "I'm only hurting you because I love you," which is a pretty heavy sentiment for a girl that age to express. Considering the notes left for her in "I Remember You" and the revelation that Simon gave her Hambo, it might be possible that she's just repeating what Simonsaid when he had to abandon her.
We've seen the Ice King's backstory. It's quite a tear jerker. But what about his Distaff Counterpart, the Ice queen? What horrors did she have to go through while transforming into what she is now? Can we even assume she was there for Marshal Lee like Simon was for Marceline? For all we know, the Ice Queen is Betty who originally put on the crown instead of Simon. Maybe one day, they'll even be reunited thanks to Prismo, or the multiverse.
For what it's worth, the Ice Queen's original creator, Natasha Allegri, claims that she got her tiara in a different way than the Ice King got his crown; it's possible this includes it working differently.
Given how the Ice Queen is much more evil and rational than Ice King, perhaps she's what might have happened if Simon or someone like him wore the crown willingly.
In "The Lich" the Lich is able to successfully manipulate Finn into making a portal to the Multiverse because he knew Finn's heroic nature would compel him destroy the Enchiridion. You then remember that the Lich spent most of the last two seasons in the Snail that waves at the audience. Fridge Horror sets in when you realize the Snail wasn't there to wave at us—the Lich was observing Finn, learning how he thinks!
So, um... Where are Finn and Jake's parents? We know they have/had other family (a mother, father and at least one brother), so how come they've only appeared in flashbacks? Are they dead? Did they just leave? Considering the many horrible fates that can befall someone in Ooo, and considering that Finn would have been quite young when it happened, there are some very, very disturbing possibilities.
Also, what happened to Finn's biological parents? The only real thing we know about his origins is that he was abandoned on a mountainside, where he very likely would have starved to death, died of exposure, or been eaten, had Jake's parents not found him. So, if his parents are alive, what kind of people are they? If they aren't, what happened to them?
A deleted storyboard from "The Lich" explains what happened to at least one of Finn's parents. Whether this will become canon in the future remains to be seen. Look closely. The horrifying part is that it appears that Billy is who pushed Finn's father into the Crystal Citadel, a prison for the Multiverse's worst criminals. This knowledge would probably change Finn's entire view of Billy.
No, thankfully or not, it says on the storyboard he was unlawfully cast into the prison and was a great warrior of Ooo.
The concept of the Crystal Citadel is fridge horror. Think about it: all the worst people in the multiverse, cast into one prison to do whatever they want to one another. What kind of hellscape is it in there, and how many innocent men like Finn's father are stuck wandering it?
So the parents are dead, but what about their other brother?
In "Crystals Have Power", the ghost of Jake's dad and their brother appear to Jake in a dream. When Jake asks Jermaine (the brother) if he's dead, he says that they're just dreaming at the same time. And Kent Osbourne states that Jermaine's "off doing his thing".
So, the gem in The Ice King's Crown is part of the same set as the gems in the crowns of the rest of Ooo's royalty. Does this mean that they're all suffering from the same sort of mental-and-physical contamination Simon is?
I think's it's more like the one ring and the Ice King is it's Gollum, and the other gems are mostly alright.
Or it could be that, because the Crown has 3 gems instead of 1, it causes three times the insanity. So the other crowns would just cause the wearer to be something of a Cloudcuckoolander, while Ice King's crown causes the horrific mental degradation that we see in Simon's tapes.
So, we knew that the Ice Crown makes the user go insane, but the fact that Finn had to use every bit of his will to remain slightly sane while wearing it makes everything worse. Just how powerful is the damn thing, if it can do that to a person's mind?!
This makes Simon Petrikov's fight against the crown Fridge Awesome. If Finn's strong, heroic willpower couldn't withstand the crown's control for even 5 minutes, think about how much willpower Simon had to have for those hundreds of years!
The crown is probably operating on similar logic to Flame Princess: ice good, no ice bad. As far as it knows it's only telling its wearer the truth.
if it froze the world because its wearer, Simon, died, then did it cause the Ice Age after the dinosaurs? Did it kill off the dinosaurs? Did a dinosaur wear it, then die, and the crown freaked out? Who even made it in the first place?
Jake's wish reversed the Lich's wish, but what is the Lich's fate now? Isn't he still running around the Multiverse? Also, BILLY!
Since the Lich was transported back to where he came from after making one wish, it stands to reason that he'll be transported back again after making another. The episode just didn't show it.
After watching "Finn the Human" and "Jake the Dog", it's revealed that Simon was far more heroic than Finn could ever be. Finn almost instantly succumbed to the madness of the Crown, while Simon managed to keep a hold on his sanity for years, possibly even centuries.
Of course, It was an alternate universe Finn, who led a much easier life and was much less of a heroic figure overall, so the comparison isn't exactly fair. Although it does prove that Simon's will was astonishing for a random muggle.
I don't know The way I saw it, it seemed more along the lines that the crown went from its standard, Help Simon survive to, Destroy all life, simply because it was sad that its previous holder had died. I don't think it was so much that Simon was more heroic than Finn (He was pretty damn heroic regardless), its just that the Crown decided it wanted to destroy everything now, and just forced Finn harder than it had forced Simon. That, and Simon had much more time to come to terms with the Crown's power.
This Troper doesn't see it as "more heroic" so much as "saner." From what little we see of him, Simon was a scholar and basically a reasonable guy. Finn, ontheotherhand...
Doesn't it seem more likely that Finn lost his sanity right away in comparison to Simon, who had been fighting against the crown and it's power every step of the way, because he accepted the power and everything that came with it to protect his family from the Destiny gang?
Another simpler and more subtle bit of Fridge Horror is the fact that Alt!Finn's right arm is a prosthetic replacement. And we see that his family—and town, for that matter—seems to be the personal oppression target of the Destiny Gang. It doesn't take much to put two and two together.
The events of the last few episodes really highlighted just how important Finn's job is - and how brutal the consequences would be if he died or messed up, and Jake couldn't fix it. He screws up one time, and this almost results in the extinction of all life. A fourteen-year-old boy (twelve at the start of the series, and implied to have been doing this much longer) is basically responsible for the safety of the multiverse. Thankfully, Finn is a great kid and is maturing into his role more every episode, but that thought is...really frightening.
Even worse, what if he's like Simon Petrikov - a good person, trapped in his own mind by an outside power? What if he's aware of the terrible things he's been forced to do over the past thousand years?
If it's any consolation, now that the Lich has a new body, the original person has finally been allowed to die.
Choose Goose is human in the alternate universe version of Ooo where humanity never went (almost) extinct. Choose Goose had an ancestor that was human. Humans had kids with either animals, or the resulting mutants said animals produced thanks to both the nuclear radiation, and the newly returned magic.
Jake's wish for the Lich to have wished for Finn and Jake to go back home to Ooo only encompasses two of the three wishes made. Jake's, and the Lich's. Finn's wish on the other hand was never mentioned. Time has no meaning to the god-like Prismo in his "Time Room." Jake went back in time to before the Lich made his wish, as evidenced by his memories of the event, Finn has no memory of any of it. Every wish Prismo grants has an ironic twist, and he couldn't have simply not done it, he HAD to tell Jake what wish to make.The Finn who made the wish may very well still be in the AU created from his wish.
Or maybe Prismo decided to be nice and reverse time while making sure Jake remembers him.
We knew Magic Man was a powerful Reality Warper and probably a deity, and we've seen the consequences of that power when placed in the hands of a sociopathicJerk Ass. However, now he apparently has the power to create entire universes at will. Universes that can be easily manipulated and contain people whose lives you can destroy if you're not careful what you do. Considering all the crap that happened with Finn in control, one only imagines what horrors someone like Magic Man might create...
Also, imagine what it would be like to find out that all your relationships, your entire universe, were just games played by an alternate version of you.
Well, considering what we actually seehimdo, he's probably destroyed quite a few lives. Probably even killed a few people. He was certainly willing enough to kill Jake. And since he's still around, one can't say that he wouldn't do the same thing to another person - and they wouldn't have Finn and Abraham Lincoln to save them...
Then there's why. Even in the alternate timeline where said poor schmuck never existed, the Mushroom Bomb still created an Omnicidal Maniac when it mutated someone. This means that whoever created the Mushroom Bomb intentionally made it so that it would create the Lich. At best, they were that desperate(which make you wonder how bad the Mushroom War was to resort to the Lich). And what's the worst case scenario?
An alternate but just as horrible possibility? The Lich has shown to have the ability to Body Surf. Who's to say the Mushroom Bomb didn't so much create the Lich as contain him until he was released when it went off? This means the Lich's host was simply a perfectly normal person who was possessed by a monster. This would also explain why there's only one Lich, but that raises the question of where he came from and why someone would intentionally make a weapon containing him with intent to use it.
In his house, Magic Man has a humanoid skull. Well, that's not too bad, right? I mean, there are skulls everywhere in this show. But there are worms crawling around in this one...and he didn't even seem to notice the decaying rat carcass laying a little ways away...considering that, and his personality, is it too much of a stretch to say that there could have been a body there? If so, where exactly did it come from?
That lady he was really sad over? And was implied by Abraham Lincoln/King of Mars that he went insane. So yeah, it may be implying that it is the skull of the person Magic Man loved.
The problem isn't that there's a skull, it's that the worms crawling in it imply that it is decaying, and therefore relatively fresh. Since Magic Man has been on Ooo for centuries, it couldn't be Margles.
One of Jake's pups has a deformed face. Could that be because of Ricardio tying Lady in a knot in "Lady & Peebles"?
According to staff, no, she just doesn't have a face. The joke was originally "what if we reversed her butt and face?" and people took the darkest interpretation.
Alternatively, its a consequence of hybridization between a magic dog and rainbow unicorn.
Apparently, rainicorns age really fast, to the point where Jake's pups are biologically older than he is in just a few days. Does that mean he's going to outlive Lady and their children?
The aging probably levels off after a while, or Lady would have aged and died in the span of the series. Still, it's a little sad that Jake barely even gets to be a father to his pups before they're old enough to leave him.
The land of Ooo is made up of many kingdoms and it is not defenseless without Finn and Jake, maybe iceking took a couple weeks off?
The Lich is still out there, now in a stronger and more mobile body then before....The Land of Ooo isn't safe just yet.
From the point of view of Lemongrab, "Mystery Dungeon" is a pretty agonizing episode. First of all, he's been separated from his best (and only) friend, who is likely to also be his lover, whom he's only known for what is presumably only a few months. He probably really misses Lemongrab 2. Secondly, he's trapped in an unfamiliar place, and we all know how much he craves regular routine and hates the unexpected. Thirdly, he's surrounded by people he doesn't know, and has clearly reverted to the "stressed-out, screaming Lemongrab" that he was before he met Lemongrab 2. Fourthly, he is the ONLY person in the dungeon who is literally MADE OUT OF FOOD, and he's probably worried that the other prisoners will try to eat him. No wonder he's turned back into a screaming jerk. Poor guy...
There is also the fact, that he was perfectly willing to EAT the Ice King. Okay, granted Lemongrab most likely didn't know that eating people is wrong, which just makes it worse....
The Ice King's transformation is some fairly heavy Body Horror when you really think about it. First your body temperature starts dropping, far below than what is normal for a human. Then your skin begins to turn corpse-blue. Then you begin growing unshaveable hair and razor-sharp fangs, eventually looking like a monster. Although the Crown's mental effects are much worse, that in itself is fairly creepy.
Betty apparently dumped her loving fiance because of one nutty rant and never even tried to talk to him or find out why he had acted that way. That's pretty harsh; even if he did say something terrible, you don't just immediately abandon someone for that, especially since such a sudden 180 in behavior is often a sign that something is very, very wrong. So, if she never had anything to do with him after that, never even called him to find out what had happened...how much could shereallyhave cared about him? Poor Simon may have spent 600 years pining for someone who, in the end, didn't even love him all that much.
Or, alternatively and possibly even worse, Simon did something while under the influence of the Crown that would actually merit that.
It's very possible that Betty DID in fact try to leave him, and Simon killed her in a fit of rage. In "Prisoner of Love" The Ice King says that if the princesses didn't want to be there, he would've killed them by now. It's highly possible that Simon killed Betty and simply didn't realize it or is living in denial!
As sad as Simon's backstory is, there's something that doesn't really sink in until you think about it for a bit. We know that the Crown caused him to drive away his fiancee...what about his other loved ones? What about his friends, parents, siblings? Did they have to watch him go mad? Did he drive them away too? Or did he remain close to them and have to watch them die in the Mushroom War, while he lived on? The only this wouldn't happen is if he didn't have any other friends or family...which is a wholenewcan of Fridge Horror...
As we see in "Finn the Human", the Ice King's Crown is capable of causing a world-ending event if its wearer dies. In "Lady and Peebles", Ricardio does some things to the Ice King that very nearly overwhelm the protection the Crown provides, and considering that thing helped Simon survive a nuclear war, that's saying a lot. So...if he'd gone just a little farther, and killed him once and for all, what would the Crown have done to the land of Ooo in its rage?
Ricardio left Ice King for dead in his first apperance. Either Ricardio has no idea of the crown's power, or he does, but he's planning to benefit from its grief.
The Lemongrabs love their kids. A lot. But they seemed completely apathetic when their "young Lemonjon" exploded to save his family. Are the Lemongrabs really that sick that they don't care when their own children die? Do they not understand death? Are they unable to grieve? Did they just accept the heroic sacrifice very quickly and are content that Lemonjon made the decision he made? Will the Lemongrabs EVER grieve for the death of their son? Are they thinking about it off-screen?
THE LEMONGRABS HAD TO EAT THEIR SON TO SURVIVE. HOLY HELL! THEY WATCHED THEIR SON EXPLODE IN FRONT OF THEM, AND THEN THEY ATE HIS BODY!!!
According to the highly detailed "Lemongrab's brain" screenshot, Lemongrab occasionally has suicidal thoughts. Unsurprising- most people do at some point in their lives, and given Lemongrab's situation, it isn't surprising that he has contemplated ending his own life. But remember those scenes of him purposefully throwing himself out of the windows of the Candy Castle? Was he seriously trying to off himself, and did we seriously laugh at this idiot's pain?
Does Seed-Wad have some kind of chronic illness? Will he spent the remainder of his life puking all over himself?
Now this is just a shot in the dark, but what if the evil bear which was skinned to make Finn's hat was also the same evil bear that Billy once fought!
In "Bad Little Boy", we get to hear a bit more of the Ice King's Fionna and Cake fanfiction...but, while the last one was a more-or-less coherent story and a fairly good representation of the characters (up until the end, anyway), this one is just disjointed, rambling nonsense. It would seem that the mental degradation caused by the Crown is still continuing...
On a similar note, Marceline's genderbent representation of herself says that being a half-demon vampire means that he's evil. What does that say about Marceline's view of herself?
She appears to have a lot of self-loathing and survivor's guilt. Her mother died when she was a child, her father abandoned her, her adoptive father sacrificed his sanity and identity to save her, and she became a vampire. Keep in mind that Red Starved probably isn't the first time she's been starving in the past thousand years, and Bubblegum probably wasn't there every time. When she sings to Bubblegum about not even being human and just her problem, she's probably projecting.
Lemonjon killed himself by reverting back to his original form of a giant pile of lemon candy. In theory, now, ANY candy person who is suicidal could just turn themselves into a pile of non-sentient candy. Princess Bubblegum has issues, and Lemongrab has been confirmed to be suicidal. If pushed a little farther to the edge, an unstable candy person could very easily kill themselves in this manner not through heroic sacrifice, but despair.
Also, other candy people seem to have no problem eating Lemonjon's remains, meaning that Finn and Jake could be unknowingly eating the bodies of candy suicides everytime they eat "regular" candy.
It seems that the Candy People are much more in touch with their origins, and more accepting of them, than non-edible folk. Sort of like how Mufasa calmly said "We eat the antelope, but when we die, we become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass." It isn't so much cannibalism as it is "the circle of life." Still, it's really unsettling that the Lemongrabs and the Lemon Children were forced to eat their son and brother in order to survive.
This may be a stretch, but doesn't it seem... grossly selfish that Lemongrab didn't bother bringing any of that pie home to his starving husband and starving babies? And the rat for that matter. A pie and a large cooked rat could have fed more than a few of his kids. Is he really stupid, or a monster who hoards food from his starving family? Would the Lemongrabs have brought the pie and the rat to life in some horrible abomination?
He was also panicking at the time. Furthermore, do you really think he would have been able to haul that huge rat through the rest of the dungeon and then all the way home? Never mind it being heavy, that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem for Lemongrab, he just would have dropped it or something.
And let's not forget that from what we saw so far, it's possible that candy people only eat candy, so either that's all they can eat or he simply didn't know that meat is food.
Let's also not forget it was his BROTHER. Brother. I don't know why people keep trying to jam the homosexuality in, but these two in particular are *related*.
Plop-Top was shoved off of a table and landed on the floor. The floor looked pretty hard. Does the poor little thing have brain damage?
Let's face it, he's a Lemon. Hurting his brain would probably be an improvement.
"Mystery Dungeon." Ice King KO'd everyone and brought them to the mystery dungeon, that isn't too horrifying. But Lemongrab's situation kind of was. Ice King KO'd Lemongrab and brought him to the dungeon- taking him away from his starving partner and starving children. What must have Lemongrab 2 been thinking when Ice King did this? Did the Ice King kidnap Lemongrab in an isolated part of the castle, and thus, were Lemongrab 2 and all of the children worried when Lemongrab suddenly dissappeared? Did Lemongrab 2 see his boyfriend getting knocked unconscious and kidnapped? Any of the babies? Lemonjon? What the hell was going on in Castle Lemongrab during "Mystery Dungeon?"
That one lemon child whose face pealed back. Did it ever go back to normal? Was that a defense mechanism of some kind? What the hell was that? Is he still like that?
In "Too Old," it's shown that this guy's face just sort of does that, and it doesn't hurt. He also seems like kind of a cheerful little guy.
Lemonjon was only a young child. Presumably he was just a few months old. Even the Lemongrabs referred to him as "young Lemonjon." LEMONJON WAS JUST A KID, AND HE EXPLODED. Why must the good die young?!
On a related note, Finn and Jake fully intended to kill him by beating up his heart. They likely weren't thinking of him as a child at the time, but man...
Near the end of "The Great Bird Man", Xergiok, heartbroken over having driven away his friends, walks into a lake. He surfaces a minute later, riding a mermaid and saying that he found a girlfriend, but he didn't know about the mermaids when he walked in. Xergiok, what exactly were you trying to do?
After Xergiok removes his eyes and tells Finn and Jake to bury them, they stick them back in his beard. So, if someone tells him where his eyes are, is he going to go crazy again and destroy whatever life he's built for himself?
If you recall, at the end of their first battle with Xergiok, Finn and Jake damaged his eyes. The next time we see him, they are detached. He says something about a wizard, but that's obviously untrue...so...did Finn and Jake damage his eyes so badly that they fell out? Did he do that to himself, since his time in the desert obviously made him a bit crazy? Did something else in the desert do that to him?
Xergiok's body-switching technique has some seriously nightmarish potential applications, if you think about it. For instance, that scene where he steals Jake's leg, gaining his powers? He could potentially do that to everyone in Ooo.
Perhaps it's a bit tenuous, but Prismo at one point refers to the Lich as a "ghost" - which would seem to imply that the Lich is not just a malignant entity who possesses others, but the spirit of an actual person who was somehow twisted into a creature of absolute evil and destruction. Did the Mushroom Bomb do that? Did someone do that to him intentionally, so they could use him as a weapon? And is he still aware of what he's doing?
Made worse when you think about what went down right before the bomb hit. In the Farmworld Timeline, Simon made a Heroic Sacrifice to stop the bomb. Unless Betty or someone close to him became the Lich(which is horrific in of itself), its likely the reason this didn't happen in the main universe was that the Lich's former self tried to save the world from the bomb, only to fail miserably. In case you thought the Lich's origin was bad enough...
They're oozing a green liquid. Remind you of someone?
Another "Simon and Marcy" related horror? It's set 996 years ago, and Marceline is seven here. The Mushroom Bomb hit 1000 years ago, and the Farmworld Timeline shows Marceline considered Simon a good friend. This means that Marceline was three or LESS when she was separated from her parents. Yeah, we kind of figured that she lost them young, but this young? That's just harsh.
In addition to that, what exactly went down outside the time-cube during those few minutes? Did everyone simply vanish? Did they just drop dead? Did time continue to pass, and some unknown sequence of events occurred in each universe that ended with the destruction of all life? Every option is horrifying.
And, assuming the deaths weren't instant, all of Finn and Jake's friends and loved ones died not knowing where they were or what had happened to them. Even worse, this would have happened to Princess Bubblegum immediately after having a fight with Finn, so she would have died thinking he hated her.
Don't think Adventure Time has a multiverse, I think each wish's implications happened in order outside of the universe and everything happened instantly, meaning that everyone but Finn and Jake (along with their reality) ceased to exist until Jake made his wish. Doesn't really matter as Jake's wish takes place out of time and space, therefore, Ooo never ceased to exist.
"A Glitch Is A Glitch." The Ice King somehow acquired the power to BREAK REALITY. The power to do this exists. And the FRIGGING ICE KING HAS IT.
Although one could make a good case for that episode being non-canon, so it probably won't come up again.
Come to think of it, we don't know that Simon was the Ice Crown's first owner...
Let me tell you a little story about something that occurred many years ago known as the Ice age.
Due to the events of "All Your Fault," Castle Lemongrab is now within walking distance of the Candy Kingdom. As we've seen, the earls are intelligent enough to devise a plan to flawlessly conquer the Candy Kingdom. They're also batshit crazy and a horrifying combination of Genius Ditz and Too Dumb to Live. If they just walked over to the Candy Kingdom, who knows what they'd be smart/stupid/crazy enough to accomplish there?!
From the episode "Puhoy", Finn starts a family in pillow land while still in a relationship with FP. Sure, he was going to break up with her due to her not laughing at one of his jokes, but he never told her this at all during the episode. So essentially he cheated on his emotionally unstable and incredibly destructive girlfriend. It's a good thing he at least forgot what happened.
To be fair, he'd been there for years when he started said family and thought he would never be able to leave. Not to mention that the whole thing may have been a dream.
Another bit of Fridge Horror from that episode: the ending leaves it ambiguous whether the Pillow Land (and Finn's life there) was actually a dream or not. If it wasn't, Finn now has a family in another world that he will never see again and cannot remember.
And now Finn has a grass sword that turns into a band around his right arm. The sword's cursed, too, and Finn even has a dream about it turning him into grass. Red Herring or...?
Remember how Lemongrab treated the Pup Gang, Finn, and Crunchy in "You Made Me?" How he had absolutely no idea that electrocuting, hitting, and hurting children is a disgusting thing to do? Well... Now that violent, psychotic jerkass has kids of his own. How are we supposed to believe that a misbehaving lemon child won't be sent to the Reconditioning Chamber for a time-out, or won't be beaten if he makes a mistake?
Actually confirmed in "Too Old" - the Lemon Children were outfitted with shock collars and poor Lemongrab 2 was horribly abused and ultimately killed.
Jesse Moynihan, one of the writers on Adventure Time whose episodes include Too Young, You Made Me, and Mystery Dungeon, has acknowleged the fact that Lemongrab intentionally resembles an autistic person. This has been acknowleged in nearly every episode containing the character, in various ways. But perhaps the most horrifying parallel to real life that "You Made Me" contains is the existence of the Reconditioning Chamber. If we assume that the Reconditioning Chamber exists because it was built, by Princess Bubblegum, as an early attempt at "fixing" Lemongrab, then this is a prallel to shockingly modern "treatments" that are used in real-life institutions to "treat" autistic people. These "treatments" include seclusion, restraints, physical abuse, and electric shocks. This basically makes Castle Lemongrab Ooo's version of the Judge Rotenberg Center. And if all of this is true, then Lemongrab's insanity and rage in "You Made Me" is much more justified than we previously thought...
Word of God states that Lemongrab built the chamber. Still... this doesn't diminish the creepiness of this theory. There's also the fact that we know nothing about the relationship that PB and Lemongrab had before Too Young and You Made Me. He could have gotten the idea for the chamber from PB herself, and he could have used PB's "treatments" of his disorder as a form of punishment/conditioning for his misbehaving prisoners.
Also adding to this is Lemongrab's tendency to imitate Princess Bubblegum's actions; ie, "All Your Fault," when he was under the impression that PB wanted him to keep making more candy people. It wouldn't be surprising if he adapted the Reconditioning Chamber as a form of capital punishment because PB once treated him in a similar manner. How badly did PB screw with Lemongrab to make the man think like this?!
The Lich possesses Princess Bubblegum but has to wear Billy as a suit? The events of Jake the Dog seem to imply that it can only do this when someone falls in the pool where the Mushroom Bomb went off. (Perhaps the snail was on PB?) If so, this puts its attempted temptation of Finn in a new light. The Lich was trying to possess Finn!
We've all talked about how horrific the Ice Crown is, but remember that the two individuals were both kind souls and generally sane. Imagine what the crown would do to someone who was already evil and/or insane...
"B-Mo Lost" has the implication that every time you blow a bubble, you are trapping a sentient air spirit.
We've seen that when the Lich posssesed Billy or was once Jake, he didn't seem to retain his pyrokinesis or mind-control, so the Lich was probably a magical being when the bomb hit him, it just gave him a boost, nuclear power and Body Surf abilities. Of course, one wonders what might have happened if it hit Simon
From Prismo's dialog, other people have been in the Time Room before, and attempted to make wishes. So...given the horrible fallout that resulted from Finn's wish, what happened to them, and what effects did their wish have on the universe?
Also, how did they get in there? Are there more artifacts as powerful as the Enchiridion? And what would happen if someone like the Lich found out about them?
Given that there are alternate realities, they might have gotten in there with the Enchiridion.
And then there's the fact that there would've been alternate Liches who got there without any trouble, meaning that all life has gone extinct multiple times. The only reason why life still exists is because the ironic twist would prevent it from staying extinct.
Without alternate timelines, they're in a room outside of time, so concepts like past, present and future mean little there as everything happens at the same time while simultaneously happening in different time periods but not necessarily in the proper order. In other words, it's possible that other people came to Prismo's room before Finn and Jake but from a point in time that happens after Finn and Jake leaving Ooo.
In the genderbent universe, the Lady Lemongrabs are portrayed as more overtly romantic (even sexual) than their male counterparts, according to production artwork by "Sour Candy" author Kate Leth. The genderbent universe was created by the Ice King. Ice King somehow managed to track Lemongrab down in order to bring him to the Mystery Dungeon. Ice King likely saw Lemongrab and his partner doing... things. Is it possible that his somewhat kinky portrayal of the Lady Lemongrabs is due to his experience of follwing Lemongrab and spying on him during his intimate moments?!
"Princess Potluck": ICE KING! WHAT DID YOU DO TO THOSE POOR LITTLE BUNNIES?!
Given that he called fed them "la-sag-na" and called them "party poopers", it's safe to think the bag just filled up with rabbit poo, which is admittedly crazy nasty but not all that terrible in the long term. They probably just needed baths.
Lemongrab's vocal cords. What the fuck is wrong with this guy's throat- is he perpetually stuck in puberty? How does someone with a voice like that find the will to get up in the morning and be alive? What must it be like to be cursed withthatvoice?
Considering the fact that he's suicidal, wondering how he finds the will to get up in the morning and be alive over the relatively minor flaw of his shrill, awkward teenaged voice is a bit tasteless.
There are two groups of tiny, 5 inch tall factions in the Ooh library. How many times could they have been possibly maimed/killed by falling books?
Just how long was the span of time between Simon's discovery of the Crown and the Mushroom War? He's 47 in "Simon and Marcie", and he doesn't look like he could be older than his thirties in his first tape (although it's hard to tell, due to the art style). Consider that, in a fairly normal world, he would probably need to stay isolated to avoid potentially landing himself in prison or in a lab somewhere. During that time, he have pretty much nothing to do but stew in his regrets and insanity. So, if the timescale previously established is accurate, he would have been living like that for decades.
Lemongrab's "Put you in my oven!" line. As we've clearly seen, multiple times, he sees absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of torturing and hurting children. Is it possible that he's burned children alive before? Or, worse, baked and them eaten them as petty revenge?!
Where would he even get children to burn alive? Even before his castle was completely empty, it only had servants in it.
So, the Ice King brought Lemongrab to the dungeon for the express purpose of having him bleed to death all over a monster in there. Damn, Ice King, that's cold.
It is unlikely that any of the Lemon Children would ever breed with other Candy People, or ever discover the secret formula for creating Candy Life. So after the Lemongrabs die, and after the Lemon Children all grow up and die, there will be no more lemon people. An entire subspecies of candy people will just be gone. Now THAT is a sad thought.
Some of the Lemon Children don't have legs- and some of them have mutated, mutilated legs. How would they move around or walk? Look at Plop-Top's legs. They're not even really legs- they're limp, useless ribbons of flesh. And Seed-Wad doesn't even HAVE any limbs at ALL. And that Lemon Child with the two heads that was shaking behind the door and convulsing?! How the hell did he even manage to get from there to the throne room?!
So all of the Lemon People were starving. Lemonjon was literally attached to the wall, and with no visible arms or hands, it was show that he picked up objects with his mouth. Many of his teeth are broken or missing. It can be assumed that Lemonjon ate rocks to placate his hunger pains. Not only is that incredibly gross and horrific, but it's pretty damn sad, too.
In earlier seasons, Princess Bubblegum wasn't looking for a romantic relationship but at least seemed open to the prospect of one. In "The Suitor", she's a full-on celibate hero. One wonders if the situation with Finn might have affected her more than we thought, causing her to completely close herself off from romantic prospects to avoid hurting anyone else.
Lemonjon is the first candy person to be Killed Off for Real. No other candy people have died in the show except for him. No resurrection/recomposition serum, no freakish lifesaving operation, no cyclops tears... He's dead and gone, the first candy person who has actually died. That's either fridge horror, or a Fridge Tear Jerker.
If Marceline's mother did indeed die in the Mushroom War, then Marceline probably saw her die. When she was less than five years old. And it wouldn't have been a pretty death, either...
It's often been theorized that Lemongrab 2 is more sane and calm than Lemongrab, because he didn't have a traumatic start to his life like Lemongrab did. However, if "All Your Fault" is any indication, Lemongrab 2 is just as bonkers as his predecessor. Without even having the excuse of a harsh life and traumatic early life experiences, this basically means that Lemongrab 2 is even more insane than Lemongrab.
Well, he's already been established to be in tune with Lemongrab 1's paths of logic. We haven't seen LG 2 enough to tell if he's more or less crazy than LG 1, we just know they both equally fell down a baby-making rabbit hole, and that he didn't object to the plan to take all of the world's candy.
Lemongrab hits his head pretty hard in Too Young and the beginning of You Made Me. In Too Young, he's nothing more than a nebbish, irritating hardass who still had some standards- but it wasn't until later that he was established as a sadistic psychopath. Maybe those falls out of the Candy Castle windows did more to him than the physical isolation...
Princess Bubblegum was only a teenager when she had the Lemongrabs. The Lemongrabs seem to only be teenagers and they already have at least twenty kids. There seems to be an unpleasant pattern here...
Actually, Princess Bubblegum was already about 300 years old when she had the Lemongrabs.
Lemongrab is horrifying enough on his own. Imagine how you would feel if your kid was like him. Imagine how it would feel to be Princess Bubblegum in "Too Young," "You Made Me," or "All Your Fault." How would it fucking feel to know that the person you brought into the world was as cruel, disabled, and downright horrifying as Lemongrab? Poor Princess...
Nothing indicates he started off that way, we just know he woke up screaming and terrified. Let's turn this outlook on its head, shall we? Imagine how it would feel to be considered a failure from the moment of your creation, for reasons totally out of your control and likely beyond your comprehension, and then having the person who created you - as close as you're going to get to a parent - stick you in a castle far away, out of her hair, but in a theoretically comfy enough situation that she wouldn't need to feel bad, as opposed to having you terminated. And this is just what we know for certain, it's possible PB made some attempts to "correct" Lemongrab before declaring him a lost cause - a personal note of Fridge Horror is that I highly doubt he pulled the notion of the Reconditioning Chamber or even his need to have things 'just so' out of a vacuum. In "The Suitor", PB says she feels an undifferentiated love for all her candy citizens. But, for a long time, she clearly did not consider the Earl one such citizen. In fact, she officiated his status as not being a citizen of her's, by making him an earl, and thus, in a way, absolving her of her connection to him. She's since worked to turn her relationship with her creation around, yes, and this is very admirable. But she didn't seem too broken up about it until "You Made Me", and has still not made any indication she considers the Lemongrabs her "children", just people she considers herself responsible for. The Princess just is not that sentimental.
Lemongrab has probably electrocuted people and animals before. The Pup Gang, Finn, and Jake? Probably not an isolated incident. He'd been sadistic and batshit crazy for a long time before "You Made Me."
"Another Five Short Graybles" is the first episode after Lemonjon's death in which the Lemongrabs appear. They seem to be doing well, until you realize that "Little Lemon-Sweets" isn't actually one of their kids- he's actually a doll. The earls are playing with a little lemon doll to cope with Lemonjon's death.
This is even worse in combination with Lemongrab's anguised cry of "ONLY ONE!" after Lemon-Sweets breaks, implying that something happened to the rest of their kids. Given how poorly thrown together some of them were, and how inept the Lemongrabs are as caregivers, it's possible their kids may have died of terminal defects or been taken away from them.
Something that might've slipped by so many because you wouldn't look back on it, but remember in "Prisoners of Love", when the Ice King is knocked out by Finn he begins having a dream where's he's seemingly endlessly flying throughout outer space, and upon his float, he runs into the Cosmic Owl. Episodes since have shown that seeing the cosmic owl in a dream is significant of a 'Croak Dream'. It's only the Ice King's second appearance in the entire series and we may have already been given an idea of how he's going to die. That's just to start! When you realize that the Ice Crown makes the Ice King immortal and magic, does that mean that the reason he's floating in space is because Earth is now gone and he's all that's left, doomed to float through space for eternity in search of Fionna and Cake, or Betty. Poor, poor Ice King...
It's only a 'croak dream' if you croak. Seeing the Cosmic Owl if you die in the dream says that it's how you're going to die. Seeing the Owl in any other dream says that it's probably prophetic, hence why Finn tricked FP into fighting the Ice King.
If the Lemongrabs can't even take care of a toy by themselves, how the hell are we supposed to believe that they are in any way, shape, or form fit to be fathers to their actual children? Also, they act like their terrible fights are totally normal to them. Imagine how badly it would fuck up the Lemon Children to walk in and see one of their dads eating the other dad...
Explained by "Too Old." Lemongrab turned into a grossly abusive father, literally torturing and insulting his children in a manner disturbinglyreminiscent of how Princess Bubblegum treated him in the past. Lemongrab 2 is a loving father, but has turned into something of an Extreme Doormat due to how grossly violent his brother has become. As a result of this, almost everyone is very hungry and physically in pain, and there is little Lemongrab 2 can do to protect his kids, even though he tries.
Before it was revealed that the Lemongrabs are brothers, Lemon-Gay was a very popular ship. Now there are thousands of images online of their incestuous relationship. All of that fanart went from adorable/cute to disgusting and horrifying within the span of five seconds, when the Lemongrabs referred to each other as brothers.
That really never stopped any shippers before.
Not even on this page.
The Lemongrabs have a very strange relationship. They're technically clones, refer to each other as brothers, and went on to have dozens upon dozens of children together.
In Another Five Short Graybles, the last time we see the Lemongrabs, Lemongrab 1 is eating Lemongrab 2. Did Lemongrab 2 die?
In "Too Old" Lemongrab 2 is revealed to be alive, but his legs are gone, half of his head is gone, he moves around via a levitating hoverdisc, and he looks very thin and emaciated. To get things worse, he is eaten alive at the end of the episode.
When Jake Jr. is in an episode, she's older than she was in her previous appearance. Does this mean she'll eventually die due to rapid aging since she's part Rainicorn?
More than likely, her rate of aging will plateau out at this point and it's just that rainicorns have a very short infancy period. Otherwise, LR wouldn't be alive right now, much less her parents.
In "Another Five Short Graybles," Lemongrab 2 threw a large lemon at Cinnamon Bun. The Lemongrabs poop lemons.note Word of God from Patric Seery's Formspring account We might have just witnessed Lemongrab 2 throwing poop at someone. That is horrifyingly hilarious.
If they didn't, he's probably out now since the banana guards misunderstood PB's demand to "let them all out." However, this begs an all new brand of fridge horror when you wonder what all the escaped felons are doing in the Candy Kingdom.
In "The Party's Over, Isla de Senorita" Ice King sneaks into the palace, duct tapes, Bubblegum's mouth and wakes her up with a creepy "Hey baby" with the intention of abducting her (again). Even worse is that he considered PB his girlfriend, even though she wants nothing to do with him. And since the "Princess Bubblegum is Really 700 Years Old" theory is has been proven true in "The Vault", this probably means she has been dealing with this sort of thing for centuries!
The Island Lady doesn't seem to be able to move. Lucky for her, really, that Party God was simply neglectful rather than straight-out abusive, because she's not able to defend herself.
According to the preview of "Too Old," Lemongrab is morbidly obese, Lemongrab 2 is still dead, Castle Lemongrab is a complete wreck, and Lemongrab is extremely depressed. Keep in mind that two episodes ago, his son died.
Lemongrab 2 is still dead. Who will take care of Lemon Pegasus?!
More of a Fridge Tear Jerker than anything else. In the preview of "Too Old," we see the Lemon Children seated at the dining table, looking very morose. Keep in mind that one of their brothers has recently passed away, one of their dads has just killed their other dad, and the surviving dad is morbidly obese, unhealthy, AND an insane douchebag. The lemon babies have every reason to be glum in a family this dysfunctional.
Frost and Fire. Dear GOD, Frost and Fire. Where to even start with this? Okay, first off, Ice King probably wasn't going to seriously harm anyone. Flame Princess, on the other hand, was shooting to kill, And she very well might have killed him if Finn wasn't there to stop her. How do you think Marceline would react if Finn told her he got Simon killed over a wet dream?
Lemongrab 2 has been being horribly abused by his older brother for God knows how long, and his kids didn't and couldn't do anything to help.
The Cosmic Owl shows up in Finn's dream in Frost And Fire, and would have known that his appearance would lead to Finn inciting more dreams, at Jake's urging and statements of their propheticness. The prophecy? That he would attempt to have a prophetic dream, and that it would ruin his relationship. Which means that the Cosmic Owl ruined a relationship with a prophecy...for the sake of ruining a relationship with a prophecy.
PRINCESS BUBBLEGUM DID NOT SAVE ANY OF THE OTHER LEMON CHILDREN, OR LEMONGRAB 2.
Given she seemed to be low on options and time, and had no idea this would happen, there was probably nothing she could do to help them even if she wanted to.
Applying Reality Subtext to this outlook just makes everything more grim. How many people in real life have been left in horrible situations because of that reasoning? It's not wrong, it's just... sad.
In "Too Young," Finn and Princess Bubblegum push Lemongrab down onto the floor and punch him. In "Too Old," Lemongrab does the same thing to Lemon Hope, his youngest son. Just let that sink in for a while.
Basically the entire ending of "Too Old." Lemongrab has just killed his brother. Princess Bubblegum, Finn, and Lemonhope are all fugitives of Castle Lemongrab. Lemongrab is extremely pissed-off at everyone, including his children, who assisted in helping the fugitives escape. Lemongrab is now, thanks to his weight, freakishly, brutishly strong. Lemongrab is also a psychotic child abuser. Absolutely NOTHING indicates that he won't just kill all of his children (and possibly himself) off-screen.
In "Too Old", Finn, the Lemongrabs, Princess Bubblegum, and the Lemon Children are seen eating lemons during the dinner scene. Keep in mind that, when Lemonjon died, he burst into millions of lemons. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EATING LEMONJON'S CORPSE.
Wasn't this the reason he sacrificed himself in the first place, so they wouldn't starve? What's more disturbing is that they still seem to be eating lemons, implying that either they have yet to get another source of candy food and still haven't planted seeds, or they are eating other lemonpeople besides lemonjon.
Lemongrab's Brain had (repeated) references to breakfast, consisting partially of real grapefruit. Candy people can eat real citrus just fine, it seems, and in fact it's probably needed given their sour "lemon essence".
In the extended version of "Poor Little Lemonhope," (in which some versus were not used due to time constraints,) Lemonhope sings that his pillow is filled with bugs and his bed is a can of tomatoes. Lemonhope, and probably several of the other Lemon Children, are living in extremely unsanitary, appalling conditions. What if the little ones get sick?! Their father certainly hates them enough to deprive them of vital medical attention. It's possible that several lemon children died of infections already that would have been prevented simply by having a cleaner place to live.
As pointed out in an example above, Lemon Children would naturally have Bizarre Alien Biology. Bacteria don't do very well in lemon juice.
A real-life example related to "Too Old." It's very, very horrifically possible that many viewers of the episode were abused as children, or are currently in abusive households. This episode would be like a slap to the face to these people.
Forgive my ignorance, but how would it be a slap to the face? The situation is clearly shown as being horrible and something that needs to be stopped. At no point is the abuse ever justified nor does it make it seem like it was the fault of the children.
In "Too Young," Finn and PB punch Lemongrab and shove him to the floor. He cries alone and slowly sits up. In "Too Old," Lemongrab does the same thing to Lemonhope. The difference is that Lemonhope is immediately assisted and defended. First of all, this is Fridge Horror because Lemongrab is perpetuating the cycle of violence started by his creator and Finn. Secondly, Finn and PB defending Lemonhope only reinforces Lemongrab's anger at both them, but also to Lemonhope and himself.
When Lemongrab smacked Lemongrab 2 on the head with a leg of mutton, he smacked Lemongrab 2 right on the colossal, gaping wound in his head. Ouch.
The implications raised by "Dungeon Train" are so disturbing that they almost serve to Deconstruct the Adventurer archetype. The "bosses" Finn fights are implied to be other Adventurers who have been there so long that their minds are warped and their bodies are so laden down with loot and armor that they're not even recognizable. By Finn's (at least) third go-around, he's barely recognizable himself under his mystical armor and weaponry. And he doesn't care. It doesn't bother him at all that the train is just one long endless repetitive Dungeon Crawl; it "makes sense" to him. In fact, it's the only thing in his life that makes sense. His relationship with Flame Princess fell apart, and his long-term crush on Princess Bubblegum was finally quashed, mainly due to his own screwups. In the previous episode Finn expresses a desire to just go back to rescuing princesses instead of getting emotionally involved with them. He's not good at relationships. But he's really good at killing things. That's why he stayed on the train. And all those other Adventurers probably had similar stories. They're not trapped there. Jake proved that the doors aren't even locked. They stayed by choice, content to just kill monsters and collect treasure for all eternity, because that's the only thing that they were good at. The kind of people who become Adventurers are emotionally damaged people, who seek out battle and glory because they're not able to live normal lives. No wonder Billy lived alone in a cave.
Did you notice that after Jake's children were born and "left the nest", he seems to be getting more and more depressed, to the point of being more inclined to stay on the sidelines while Finn goes adventuring? One episode where he does so (I believe it's "Dungeon Train") he even looks up and says, "I wonder how my kids are doing." In the "Box Prince", he's confined himself to playing video games, almost ignores Finn when he talks about the Box Prince needing help, and sounds completely bored, almost as if he's trying his hardest to cope. Contrast this with earlier episodes where he joked once or twice about the children growing up and not needing him anymore, and also in an episode where he sees that T.V. has chosen to stay with Lady Rainicorn and a big smile appears on his face "That's mah boy." Jake may not appear to show it all of the time, but all of these point to him suffering "Empty Nest Syndrome", which seems to be worsening very gradually. He misses his pups, man.
Princess Bubblegum's mental state is getting increasingly questionable at best. This is in no way meant to be demonizing towards her, but look at everything she's been through before and during the series. She's already got the enormous responsibility of ruling an entire kingdom and trying to keep all her subjects safe, calm and alive from all the weird, dangerous calamities that occur on a frequent basis, which has left her with no time for a personal life. And then there's the fact that the Ice King constantly tries to kidnap her, and even considers her his girlfriend, even though she wants absolutely nothing to do with him. On top of that is Lemongrab, who is enough of a handful himself, what with his numerous issues as well as the fact that he's really not much better than she is when it comes to meeting halfway with each other. She also displays several signs of having PTSD from being possessed and nearly killed by the Lich, and really fears the possibility of dying and leaving her kingdom under the rule of a dangerous tyrant (be it Lemongrab or Goliad). Given all these above factors, it's no shock that Bubblegum's workload must really be straining her mentally and emotionally. Hopefully, she doesn't snap in frustration.
Some of you who read the comic know there is someone in Ooo who has "slightly different but similar adventures" as Finn in Jake named Adventure Tim. He also knows characters that are allusions to the regulars like Princess Chewypaste and the Duke of Limesnatch, the Mice King and the Loch. What worries me is the possibility that there are two dangerous evil skeleton Liches and, even though the Mice King was different, he was more competent than the Ice King so who knows what kind of powers the Loch may have.
Princess Bubblegum, Lemonhope, and Finn have left Lemon Castle, and Lemongrab 2 is dead. That means... dozens of young, mentally disabled children are imprisoned in a freaking death camp ruled by a psychotic, homicidal maniac!!! WHO WILL SAVE THE LEMON PEOPLE FROM BEING KILLED BY THEIR DAD?!?!
The end of the episode implied Lemonhope would save them once he grows up.
In "Too Old" the lemon kingdom is shown to have become similar in customs to the Elizabethan era, with strict customs and cumbersome garments the lemonfolk were not shown to be wearing before. While on one hand it seems to be good that the lemons are beginning to develop something similar to a society, it seems to be as a result of the lemons trying and somewhat failing to emulate the candy kingdom. It may even be that they are being forced to do so against their will by Lemongrab Prime. (It is likely a mixture of both given the fact that some of the lemons seem to be fairly content while others appear miserable and uncomfortable while still others just seem confused.) What really seems to suggest this is the lemon herald suspended from the ceiling, just like PB's own pinata herald, despite being disturbingly unsuited to the task.
From the Nightmare Fuel page on the scene of the Lemongrabs playing with the doll: "It's also Harsher in Hindsight in that it foreshadows the fate of the REAL lemon children in "Too Old". Lemongrab 2 wanted to put their "son" to bed because he claims he was tired, showing that Lemongrab 2 is a caring father. But Lemongrab wanted the "son" to dance around for his amusement. And then in "Too Old", we see the Floor Show, and Lemongrab's treatement of the children in general compared to Lemongrab 2's." Holy shit, that isbrilliantly terrifying.
"All Your Fault." In the end, it would have actually been better if all the lemon people had starved to death. Considering what happens to all the lemon people later on, dying together while still being a loving family would have been the better option.
The end of "Lemonhope" has Lemonhope return to Castle Lemongrab after spending 1000 years Walking the Earth. The landscape is desolate, the expanded (and technologically advanced) Candy Kingdom looks abandoned and Castle Lemongrab looks to be crumbling. What the hell happened to Ooo!?!?! It looks like a second Mushroom War happened and Lemonhope is the last being alive! Did he go to the castle to die in peace!?
And given what we've seen, the Ice Kingdom, mostly likely, is no more. The Ice King could be dead (although that would probably be the best kind of release for Simon), as would Betty (so maybe hopefully they're finally Together in Death). And what of Marceline? Is she still around or did she decide she had enough and decide to pass on as well?
Lemongrab's ultimate fate is either case of "well, it could be worse" or a Fate Worse than Death, and we won't know which it is until future episodes. Going by his patchy appearance and Bubblegum's statements about "brains" and "bodies", both Lemongrabs' pieces were sewn together into a new one. And when you consider that both Lemongrabs were autonomous individuals with their own personalities and experiences, the ethical and psychological implications are horrifying. Furthermore, the princess says Lemongrab will go back to "his old lonely self", which in theory means "back to normal", but what does she know about what constitutes normal for him to begin with? Since she sees him when he was lonely as his only stable mentality, it could very well mean she expects him to return to how he was in Too Young: naive and deeply unhappy. What does this mean for how his brain will actually turn out? As it stands, this can go one of three ways: the two previous Lemongrabs are effectively dead, leaving a third Lemongrab with no memories or standing identity, a Lemongrab that actively houses the consciousness of both Lemongrabs but with neither able to act individually anymore and in the most extreme case of Lonely Together imaginable, or a Lemongrab 1 made lucid with the inclusion of his brother's biomass into his body but carrying the knowledge of everything he did when insane and also that his brother was essentially sacrificed so he could live. All because the Princess has chosen to attempt a hard reset on his brain instead of actually getting to the bottom of why he went so far off the deep end so suddenly, saw the second Lemongrab as expendable and a liability, and apparently didn't see fit to just let Lemongrab die. She also doesn't seem to have thought through the consequences of having someone go back to being lonely when they know what it's like to not be lonely.What.
Potentially worse is the possibility that Bubblegum may actually be right. Previous attempts to "fix" Lemongrab failed spectacularly: giving him people to rule and/or live with just made him crazier. Maybe a complete personality reboot is only thing that can be done.
It's hard to say, and it's still too early to judge this situation, as we the audience still don't know why Lemongrab went so far off the deep end so quickly (here's one entry of analysis that points out how odd his sudden violent switch to utter insane tyranny was when compared to where his mindset seemed to be previously), but that still begs the question of if it was right for the Princess to attempt a personality reboot at all when she could have just let him finally die in peace (it also would've simplified stuff for her too, really). There's also still the matter of her choosing to combine the two Lemongrabs instead of just rebuilding them from biomass as she's done several other times to other candy people. That this seems to have come at the expense of Lemongrab 2's life is also still a sticking point. But really, until we see where this is going and what consequences it will wrought, there's just no sure way of judging the situation.
In "Betty", we see Simon Petrikov temporarily restored from his long torment as the Ice King. Now remember that Simon doesn't have his own heart in his body anymore, and that Bubblegum had to make an artificial one for him. And Ricardio had made his own "body" using sinew and other biomass from Simon. How much of Simon's original body is even left, anymore? Is it really a case of No Immortal Inertia that was killing him, or all the damage that had been done to him as the Ice King that the magic of the crown was keeping in check?
In "Goliad", Princess Bubblegum says, "I'm not gonna live forever, Finn. I would if I could." This despite the fact that, up to this point, she clearly has. Combine that with her obsession with creating an heir, and the fact that she seems to be undergoing some Sanity Slippage recently, and you have to wonder what, exactly, is going on with her.