Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
The Ultimate Lifeform
Ultimate Moral Compass
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Cyrus
Memetic Loser Mother
to Cyrus and Godzilla
Shin Megami Tensei IV
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Mi’Goea
I'm reserving SMT V Vengeance, maybe a new villain counts or current 99% CM Lahmu (has the personality and very personal crimes, but gets outheinoused) gets more onscreen crimes.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2024 at 9:28:58 AM
Watch me destroying my country
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
for Alfred, Yang-choon and Mi-Goea.
for Godzilla and Cyrus.
Knight Bachelor
to Mi'Goea, and holy crap, I'm not the only one who remembers Hybrid Heaven! I do recall being rather fed up with the lack of guns, before realizing the combat was supposed to be all hand-to-hand, and the game does attempt to provide a rationale, though I forget specifically what it was.
Maker of Tales of Troperia
What is the work?
Project Wingman, a game made by fans of the Ace Combat franchise. It's basically a combat flight simulator in a similar vein of its inspiration.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
Crimson 1, The Rival of your character Hitman 1, or Monarch. Eventually becomes the Big Bad towards the later parts of the game.
Crimson 1 is the leader of the Federation Peacekeeper Squadron Crimson, in the midst of the Cascadian conflict. While not much is known about his backstory (until his Motive Rant that reveals he's a Cascadian himself), he is stated to be a top Ace of the Crimson Squadron, and also of the Federation itself.
Monarch and Crimson 1 first meet at the Apodock Fracture in the Yellowstone Exclusion Zone, and, depending on the player's choices, Monarch either fled from Crimson 1 or drove Crimson 1 off.
The two meet again over the Bering Strait, and Monarch successfully defeats most of Crimson Squadron, eventually managing to take a good chunk of Crimson Squadron out, with Crimson 1 being forced to retreat due to suffering heavy losses, even though he wished to stay and fight. This is the start of Crimson 1's obsession of Monarch, and soon, his descent into complete monstrosity.
The two meet yet again, this time over Prospero, with Crimson 1's obsession finally coming out clearly. In fact, Crimson 1 lets out such a Motive Rant that it drives one of Monarch's wingmen, Diplomat, to verbally fight back and smash his own radio communications just to stop hearing Crimson 1. Monarch eventually managed to take Crimson Squadron out, including Crimson 1, but that wasn't going to be the last the former sees of the latter...
During the second battle over Presidia that Monarch takes part in, both the Federation and the Cascadians call for a ceasefire. Crimson 1 arrives mere moments after the ceasefire is called, and unilaterally breaks it by levelling Presidia with a series of Cordium Bombs. After this, he challenges Monarch to a duel, and savagely goes on yet another Motive Rant, utilizing Psychological Projection to its fullest degree. After this, Monarch shoots Crimson 1 down, with the latter blowing up in a gigantic Cordium explosion after he delivers some cryptic last words that implies a storm may be approaching.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Crimson 1 has a mysterious, foggy past, though it can be inferred that his "Freudian Excuse" is that he was humiliated by Monarch after shooting his squadron down, which drove him to madness and eventual nuclear fury.
Crimson 1 has Villainous Valor to the point where he outright refuses to back down even when logically he should Know When to Fold 'Em, as seen in the furball over the Bering Strait. He also cares about his squadmates enough that he calls Monarch out for killing them whenever he goes on a Motive Rant.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
Crimson 1's resource level: He has the Federation backing him up, which grants him the latest advances in aero-technology. Eventually, he manages to acquire a special experimental aircraft, known as "Project Wingman Mark I'', which gives him access to a powerful railgun, a Burst Missile Launcher, and plasma orbs.
The amount of time Crimson 1 has to work with: Crimson 1 appears for a grand total of four missions, but in the second fight over Presidia, he manages to level the city with several cordium bombs, killing untold numbers of people, all within moments after a ceasefire is called.
The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others: Let's take the Ace Combat villains by comparison, in particular Captain Mathias Torres from Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown.
Matias Torres is the Captain of the super-submarine Alicorn, going rogue along with his crew during the events of the three Downloadable Content missions in order to seemingly put an end to the Lighthouse War with the nuclear massacre of a million lives, thus terrifying the world into putting down their weapons. That seemingly extreme-but-noble motive is eventually proven false when Torres, at the command of an absurdly powerful boat and a fanatically loyal crew, reveals that for all of his posturing, he actually revels in the "elegance" of hitting a difficult target—in this case, the million lives he's about to butcher from 5,000 kilometers—over 3,100 miles—away—and has an almost fetishistic obsession with death. In fact, he'll even violate wartime conventions by feigning surrender just to gain time to fire his nukes, and if he's successful, he'll keep laughing maniacally and describe the act as "beautiful".
Matias Torres failed to launch his superweapon if we're speaking canonically, having his plan to use a nuclear massacre to take a million lives foiled by Trigger blowing the Alicorn up. By contrast, Crimson 1 didn't fail. He successfully levelled Presidia moments after a ceasefire, with Monarch being unable to stop Crimson 1 before the cordium bombs were dropped. Crimson 1 manages to outdo a good number of other CMs by actually succeeding in his destruction. His reasoning for doing so is even worse: He did it out of a petty obsession with Monarch humiliating him time and time again.
Final verdict?
Yes, Crimson 1 from Project Wingman is indeed a complete monster.Edited by BlaseSonOfAGun1988 on Feb 24th 2024 at 12:30:16 PM
I made Tales of Troperia. That's all you need to know about me.
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So basically it's because the shelter's air pressure would make it very dangerous to fire a gun because the entire place could catch fire. Jerry early on pulls a gun on you only for a clone to shout that firing it down there wouldn't be the best idea.
No to Crimson 1 if he explicitly mentions his squadmates' deaths as part of why he despises the player character. That seems like a fairly clear-cut mitigating trait.
Maker of Tales of Troperia
Well, what about his nuking of Presidia? Sure, he may hate the player if they shot down his squadron, but even then, levelling a city with several nukes is pretty Disproportionate Retribution with that reason in mind. Compared to untold numbers of casualties in the nuking, Crimson Squadron's losses are practically miniscule.
I made Tales of Troperia. That's all you need to know about me.
Maker of Tales of Troperia
Just checked the rules in the Write a Complete Monster. I realized that the deaths of his squadmates and him using those as part of his reasoning may actually disqualify him from being a CM.
I made Tales of Troperia. That's all you need to know about me.
No offense, but you're missing the point that Crimson genuinely cared for his squad, which is a migrating quality.
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You already looked up the rules, just before I posted this.
Edited by Michealthehero21 on Feb 24th 2024 at 12:34:35 PM
Maker of Tales of Troperia
Again, I checked the rules of the CM. He does care for his squadron, and may be disqualified because of that.
I made Tales of Troperia. That's all you need to know about me.
....Phenomenal
Yeah, even if he's going to ridiculous extremes with it, if he genuinely cares about them, that's a no for a CM.
for Crimson, Godzilla, and Cyrus.
to Crimson, Cyrus and Godzilla (wut).
Knight Bachelor
Writeup for Dorian Sudler:
- Dorian Sudler is a Weyland-Yutani auditor, ensuring WY facilities run as profitably as possible by firing people who aren't pulling their weight, and he especially enjoys getting to (or finding ways to) fire people who he feels have wronged him personally. And it's very easy to make Dorian Sudler feel that you've wronged him personally. Coming to The Cold Forge, when Dr. Blue Marsalis fails to show Dorian what he considers the proper respect due his station, he decides he will find a reason to fire her. Dorian thinks the Xenomorphs are the most wonderful things ever, quickly coming to identify with them more than his fellow humans and actually hoping they break containment just so he can see them in action. When things do go completely pear-shaped, Dorian moves survivors around like pawns to service his goal of escaping the station. He does not plan for there to be any other survivors. He not only allows survivors to die to preserve his own life, he begins actively killing them if he thinks they're in his way, crippling a woman he seduced and watching as a Xenomorph kills her, even attempting to emulate a Xenomorph's lethal claws and teeth in killing another man. But his true venom is reserved for Blue, who he feels he must kill personally, and as painfully as possible. When Dorian finally meets his fate, snatched by an Alien and impregnated by a facehugger, he considers this a fitting end to his life, mingling his DNA with the finest killers in all the cosmos. The man is quite possibly the most morally reprehensible envoy of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation that has ever been introduced in Alien canon.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Haven't done an EP for a small while, let's change that. Yes the EP's lengthy but he appears in almost the entirety of the show.
What is the work?
Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series is a cartoon depicting anthropromoprhic hockey playing ducks in Earth who also are vigilantes out trying to save it from a roster of villains. Most villains are merely one shots but there's a Big Bad who appears in practically most of the episodes (hence the EP length), meet Lord Dragonus, played by Tim Curry who devours the scenery.
Who is Lord Dragonus and what has he done?
The last of the Saurion overlords, a race of conquering warmongers. Dragonus had escaped the dimensional prison his species had been banished to and lead an assault on the planet Puckworld and laid waste to it's civilisations — having it's inhabitants enslaved so he can expand his reset ambitions of conquest to a galactic scale. The heroes though managed to break into his keep and destroy it's core, giving chase to Dragonus and his 3 other cronies, Wraith, Siege and Chameleon chasing them through a dimensional rift into our universe. When the heroes adjust to Earth and eventually find Dragonus' ship, he orders his 3 cronies to reduce Anaheim to rubble when the ship gets above it while he fights the Ducks.
In his next appearance, Dragonus enlists of the unknown traitor Lucretia DeCoy to infiltrate the Duck's hideout under the guise of an ally so that he'll be able to get hold of a power source called the Proteus Chip and let him craft a powerful weapon to systematically wipe out every city on the planet until humanity bows to him. When Lucretia gives Dragonus the chip, he attempts to turn Washington DC to ash although the cannon implodes when it's revealed that the heroes swapped the chip with a fake — making it seem Lucretia had attempted to double cross Dragonus. In response, Dragonus sends Lucretia to dimensional limbo for eternity.
Dragonus then creates an energy creature and has it wreak havoc upon the Ducks — with it splitting itself repeatedly and eventually making it's way to the human population in which it causes trouble. The true reason behind it though? So Dragonus can use the opportunity to utilise a space defence system and turn it on humanity, with the intent on wiping out every capital city as his first act of conquering — with Dragonus firing a shot at a city but luckily missed it.
Dragonus then attempts to rob the planet's electricity so he's able to use it's energy to create a monster that would crush humanity underfoot.
After sending the majority of the Ducks to another dimension, Dragonus has Siege and Chameleon attempt to use a device on top of a broadcast tower to generate a shockwave that would reduce the city to rubble. The Duck's manage to escape the dimension and stop the device from almost wiping out the city.
Seeing a ship flying in from space, Dragonus has the Chameleon disguise himself as the Duck's former leader Kennard to lure them into a trap so Siege and him can steal the Duck's spaceship since Dragonus' own has limited energy. Dragonus has the alien ship shot down. When Siege shows Dragonus that he has the core, Dragonus notices a plant in the background and has Siege take it incase it could be useful. Said plant, Dragonus has let out into the city in which it starts to spread and infest everything it can reach. With the core in his ship, Dragonus declares he'll start using his weaponry on the planet... but plot stuff happens and the aliens whose core he stole deactivate it, rendering it useless for him.
While not appearing in episode 9, Dragonus provided Mad Scientist Doctor Preterious the means to capture the Ducks and to use them in his experiments to create the perfect lifeform so he can get fame from it. Said experiment involves dissecting them alive.
Dragonus then offers the Ducks a deal that he'd let them back to Puckworld if they let him stay in our universe. The result? Shown in a Bad Future, Dragonus having harvested the world's resources and leaving cities in ruins and humanity in a delvolved mutated state, leaving slimeball Phineas P. Viper to rule the Earth whilst he conquers the galaxy.
Crafting a new platfrom to allow him to conquer Earth, Dragonus makes a deal with Professor Swindle for an anti-grav device when he's interrupted by a robot assassin known as a B.R.A.W.N. After managing to hotwire it's target, Dragonus has it target the Ducks. After it seemingly kills the Duck's, Dragonus then has the robot target Swindle since the latter backed out of their deal due to wanting more money. After stealing the device from Swindle, Dragonus uses it on his assault platform and starts to attack Anaheim but is thwarted in the end.
Creating dinosaurs, Dragonus has them brainwashed and tasked to go out and retrieve different parts so he can make a device that launches a missile downwards into the Earth. Having the device built, Dragonus has the missile launched, creating a volcano within the city.
Having Siege and Chameleon retrieve an alloy, Dragonus intends on using it to broadcast to an alien race known as the Sarks to lure them to Earth to steal their power crystals for himself. When a wannabe hero called "Mondo Man" is brought to him, Dragonus turns him into a true hero under the guise of a benevolent alien who needs the crystals to save the Earth. After Mondo Man gives Siege the crystals and goes to fight a giant robot scorpion, Dragonus reverts the effects out of simple amusement.
Having part of the formula for the crystals Dragonus require brought to him and being informed the complete one is in the mind of a child genius, he has Siege and Chameleon hunt for him. When the child is brought to him, Dragonus threatens to kill one of the Ducks via shooting him to orbit if the formula isn't given to him. When the child complies, Dragonus has both him and the duck tied to a torpedo to shoot off into space.
Dragonus' next scheme is to use amplified soundwaves to bring in meteors and bombard the planet "into submission" as he uses a destructive creature's egg as bait for the Duck's to take — knowing it'd cause problems for them.
Dragonus then has the Duck's kidnapped in a deal with a baron who loves Hunting the Most Dangerous Game. The deal? The Baron gets to hunt the Ducks, Dragonus gets materials to build a missile in which he can melt the North Pole and flood every coastal city.
Infiltrating the Duck's base, Dragonus attempts to steal the codes to access the world's missile grid to cower the planet it into submission and having the base loaded with explosives to detonate under the stadium which the show notes is full of civilians.
Having Siege and Wraith try to steal jewels, Dragonus brings a thief called Falcone from Puckworld to help him steal the rest of them to build a ray that would wipe the minds of everyone on Earth. When Falcone double-crosses Dragonus and attempts to use the ray for himself, Dragonus teleports on his flying ship and throws him off it.
In what's chronologically the final episode although it's only episode 21 out of 26, Dragonus has Chameleon sent to infiltrate Atlantis, although Chameleon disables communication when he prefers the life there without the abuse from Dragonus. Kidnapping the Ducks, Dragonus forces leader Wildwing to lead him to Atlantis else he burns the others alive. When Chameleon returns with the crystals (after sucking up to Dragonus), Dragonus wastes no time with them and opens a dimensional gateway to where the Saurions are for a universal conquest. The wormhole gets closed and Dragonus' ship is sent flying into the ocean where it crashes. Dragonus is last seen in fury at his ship looming over Siege, Chameleon and Wraith... and since the show never got renewed for a second season, that's the last we see of him.
Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Nada for either. Dragonus' race are conquerors but it's never stated that it's in their inherent nature so we're good there.
So to address the major possible concerns:
- Care for his race? He abuses Siege, Chameleon and Wraith and only attempts to free the rest of his kind for him to be able to conquer the universe. He brings up his ancestors but it's no more damning than say Ronan's rant about his father and grandfather.
- There's a brief bit where you see Doctor Preterious has a signed note saying best wishes on your evil deeds but no I'm not taking that as redeeming, the two never interact and Dragonus is just backing him because of the simple fact Doctor Preterious is evil... it's not some heart-warming message.
- Now... the comedy of the show? It has a fair amount of fourth wall breaks and jokes and Dragonus himself has some humiliating defeats... I think he's still good. Dragonus himself doesn't banter in fourth wall jokes and he's a cartoon villain from the 90s, he's gonna have humiliating defeats. (Ergo Beast Wars Megatron got defeated by the equivalent of a fart nuke.) The comedy doesn't downplay Dragonus' attempted actions so we're fine here me thinks.
Heinous Standard?
Not even an issue, Dragonus' rap sheet involves reducing Puckworld to enslavement, constantly trying to subjugate Earth via the destruction of cities (and yes there's enough weight there, we see him outright fire a weapon at a city), and in the end aims for universal domination.
Other villains mostly fall under Fridge Horror and even the ones that don't? Are way too goofy for the trope or lack that extra oomph. Dragonus is fine for the standard since practically most of his appearances consist of trying to subjugate Earth.
Final Verdict?
I think he's just scraping by folks.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Goku Black
dragonus
Fanfiction proponent
To the Last of the Saurian Overlords. Well done.
Not the Eye
Dragonus
Crimson
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Unexpected to Alfred Pennyworth
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for Cyrus as well.
"If we're gonna play Owl House, we're gonna NEED an Owl House!"