Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
The Undercover Troper
I'm wondering. How exactly should the CSPs for Pokémon: The Series be handled? Ash and the Team Rocket Trio excluded, all of the characters who have CSPs also have their Pokémon teams included, and should the Pokémon be separated from them, they all get confined into one single folder, as shown with Tracey, Cilan, Clemont, and Ash's classmates.
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
Check to see if their native character pages can handle the extra bytes. Given how many Pokemon character pages have to be split, there might not even be a need to merge anyone back.
Don't see it being mentioned so from Code Geass we've got:
- Main Characters: 98k
- Lelouch: 126k
- Suzaku: 58k
Lelouch would bring the byte count over but are we cool if I remerge Suzaku?
Also from Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- The Children: 59k
- Shinji: 65.5k
- Asuka: 92k
- Kaworu: 55k
All together they'd be 271.5k so leave Asuka's separate since she's the longest?
- NERV Staff: 91k
- Gendō: 47k
Must admit that's a split I did when the rules were different. May I remerge as well?
Anjail
I just cleaned up all the BlazBlue character specific pages along with merging and redirecting the majority of them.
The only ones with their own pages are now Ragna, Jin, Noel, Hazama and Terumi.
Just a some guy.
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Yeah only Asuka can keep her page
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
- Kingdom Hearts: Destiny Islands Trio (4,607 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Sora (121,126 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Riku (116,355 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Kairi (69,135 bytes)
Together it would be 311,223 bytes. So, just merge back Kairi and Riku?
- Kingdom Hearts: Roxas, Axel, and Xion (8,210 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Roxas (59,862 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Axel (57,561 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Xion (44,535 bytes)
Together it is only 170,168 bytes. Safe to Merge back.
- Kingdom Hearts: Xehanort's Incarnations (178,904 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Master Xehanort (136,120 bytes)
Should be fine to keep separate as together it is 315,024 bytes.
- Kingdom Hearts: Organization XIII (224,518 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Xigbar (52,753 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Saïx (45,220 bytes)
- Kingdom Hearts: Vanitas (45,803 bytes)
These are fine to stay separate.
Thoughts?
Edited by Bullman on Mar 21st 2024 at 9:37:13 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Cheers, I'll rip through that now. Any qualms with my Code Geass suggestion?
Sounds good
I wanna get back to Fire Emblem: Three Houses since someone brought it up before but it wasn't expanded upon. The character header is not counted for any page, which itself is around 2,000 bytes.
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Other Main Characters (58,106)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Byleth (107,516)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Edelgard (162,935)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Dimitri (155,536)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Claude (191,305)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Rhea (102,244)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Shez (67,052)
I don't know how the main characters were put before Byleth and the lords got their pages, but I do know that Rhea used to be in the Church of Seiros page before getting her own, but that one would be over 300k with her. She and Shez can be merged into the main page.
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Black Eagles (141,609)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Hubert (56,067)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Ferdinand (54,188)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Bernadetta (46,997)
Together it's 298,861. Ferdinand and Bernadetta can be merged back while Hubert can keep his.
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Blue Lions (143,888)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Sylvain (49,625)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Ingrid (46,109)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Felix (70,996)
Together it's 310,618. Sylvain and Ingrid can be merged back while Felix can keep his.
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Golden Deer (174,170)
- Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Lysithea (44,540)
Together it's 218,710, can be merged back.
Should I go ahead with merging Barney's page as per this post?
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Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I feel like maybe Cross Ange could absorb ALL the subpages?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Ultimate Lifeform
Does anyone else think that The Owl House - Amity Blight should have her spoilers get unmarked because of how many of her tropes have spoilers in them? Like at minimum, half of them are heavily spoilered.
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'd be fine with that; just mention that somewhere on the page.
EDIT:
- Case Closed Main Characters can probably absorb Conan Edogawa/Shin’ichi Kudō; Kogorō Mōri; and Ai Haibara/Shiho Miyano. It'd be around 232k total.
- Case Closed Core Recurring Characters should be able to absorb Case Closed: Heiji Hattori. (123-124k).
- Case Closed Eagleland Law Enforcement can DEFINITELY absorb Case Closed: Shūichi Akai. Under 80k total.
The Chronicles of Riddick can EASILY absorb the subpages. Like under 70k total.
The Fast and the Furious is weird. The Fast and the Furious: The Team is like 135k, while the others combined are like 114k. Move The Fast and the Furious: Cipher to The Fast and the Furious: Antagonists and keep everything else as is?
Mission: Impossible Film Series is a bit weird:
- IMF Agents: Under 58k
- IMF Leadership: Nearly 30k
- Allies of the IMF: Nearly 27k
- CIA: Under 24k
- Villains: 122.5k
- The Syndicate: 39k+
- Other Characters: 6k+
The Syndicate can be moved to the Villains page. I guess the CIA can go to others? And I guess make the first three a page called Characters.Mission Impossible Film Series IMF And Allies or something?
Five Nights at Freddy's: William Afton is under 130k, but given everything he's probably fine.
Edited by ACW on Mar 21st 2024 at 6:08:05 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
low-poly Shinri
Re FE3H: I think it is best if we make sandbox pages first and see if the CSPs really need to be kept or if we need to split the class pages (like Blue Lions Part 1 and 2).
Edit: Made sandbox pages for the classes now:
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Black Eagles Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Black Eagles Part Two
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Blue Lions Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Blue Lions Part Two
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Golden Deer Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Golden Deer Part Two
Not sure what to do with the other CSPs.
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Mar 21st 2024 at 11:46:16 PM
She/Her | Currently cleaning N/A
The Formatter
So for Invincible (2021) i have the following:
- Invincible (2021): The Grayson Family (31,258)
- Invincible (2021): Omni-Man (70,532)
- Invincible (2021): Supervillains (117,203)
- Invincible (2021): The Empire (17,499)
Should Omni-Man and the Empire be merged back into their prospective parent pages?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Seems like a given.
The Formatter
Man merging CSP's hurts me to my soul. I wish Omni-Man could stay, but the criteria is set.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So I'll do the Case Closed and Riddick stuff?
EDIT: And The Camp Half-Blood Series: Percy Jackson (under 62k) can be absorbed into The Camp Half-Blood Series: Main Characters (just over 175k)? Around 237k total.
Edited by ACW on Mar 22nd 2024 at 6:20:31 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
he/him
Pinned post's been updated again, this time to remind people that we don't need to cut every removed CSP — turning them into redirects may be a better option.
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So I was checking Characters.The Boys 2019 to edit something, as I saw the following pages:
- Characters.The Boys 2019 The Boys (90,670 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Billy Butcher (64,309 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Associates Of The Boys (31,090 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Supes (142,859 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Soldier Boy (105,115 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 The Seven (81,056 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Homelander (161,933 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Starlight (47,616 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Black Noir (50,645 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 A Train (48,192 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 The Deep (43,025 bytes)
- Characters.The Boys 2019 Stormfront (50,857 bytes)
Edited by kuchiki222 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 4:49:43 AM
Soldier Boy should stay. Maybe keep Starlight as well. When the new season comes out she'll be the most likely to grow.
Sure thing. Should I merge Black Noir's page then, instead of Starlight or keep his page?
I just merged back most of the Red vs. Blue CSPs back into their original pages to fit the new guidelines.