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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 8th 2019 at 12:43:49 PM

It's been discussed a lot at the Video Uploading thread that a lot of poor videos are slipping through the cracks, and that a clean-up effort is necessary if we are to combat the problem.

Common issues are:

  • Videos spoiling major events from a work
  • Videos not actually fitting the trope they're attached to
  • Videos from a particular work being uploaded to the point of the work essentially existing in-full on the website, bringing concerns of copyright issues
  • Videos in which the important part doesn't happen until halfway through, with the length being ultimately pointless

So, we've got our work cut out for us; but this is at least a place to discuss problems and come to solutions.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
   Remember freedom?   
Jun 8th 2019 at 1:10:44 PM

Alright, let's get this going.

First thing we need to do is review the videos that are currently uploaded and vote on them. To do this properly, we might need to shut down the video uploading for a while to get caught up. Once we are caught up, any video that is uploaded and approved by mods will be sent here for voting. We watch and vote on the videos and send them up.

That's my proposed system anyway. Anyone else got suggestions?

   Don't want to be an American idiot...   
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 8th 2019 at 1:17:34 PM

^ Sounds fine to me, though obviously we'll need more agreement.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
✓Veteran Editor
Jun 8th 2019 at 2:37:16 PM

Don't worry, I promise not to upload any new videos until we get caught up, at least with the stuff I uploaded. On second thought, this thread ain't moving one bit. I'll probably start uploading stuff again.

To start off, let's look at my Leisure Suit Larry videos, starting with the first game: Leisure Suit Larry 1: In the Land of the Lounge Lizards. I went with the VGA version most of the time as it has better graphics than the EGA original while still staying more faithful to it than Reloaded. Here are my reasons why I uploaded them:

  • Bestiality Is Depraved: The video doesn't actually SHOW Larry screwing an animal, but it does say that he did that after taking the pills and he does go to jail for it, also illustrating the "depraved" part of the trope. Seems okay.
  • Betting Mini-Game: Larry playing a poker mini-game at the casino. I'll let you guys decide.
  • Big Ball of Violence: It does show Larry getting beaten up in a ball, even after the thug goes away, though that last part is optional. I think it's fine.
  • Distracted by the Sexy: Shows the pimp blocking stairs, and he stops doing that when the porn channel is turned on, allowing Larry to pass. Fine, I think.
  • Driven to Suicide: This one is exclusive to EGA. I don't consider "suicide" to be "adult content", and a reason is shown why Larry shoots himself. Works.
  • Drunk Driver: The cabbie is said to drink wine and the game ends because of his driving. Seems okay.
  • Flushing-Edge Interactivity: The trope's about flushing toilets in video games, and this is one lethal flush. Maybe it's not shown that well that Larry is flushing the toilet and the EGA version would be more illustrative since it has a text parser. I'll let the thread decide.
  • The Freelance Shame Squad: This one is admittedly long, but I've wanted to include the part where Larry checks the store to see if there's anyone inside so that the crowd popping up to mock Larry to be more unexpected. I'd like feedback.
  • Joe Sent Me: Larry uses "Ken Sent Me" as a password to enter the room. Seems perfectly fine.
  • Shoplift and Die: Larry steals from the clerk and gets shot for it. No issues here.
  • Tradesnark™: This one is from Reloaded. Possibly quote-ish, but I found it humorous. Please decide whether it should be kept or not.
  • Trash Landing: Larry falls into the trash can. Short and sweet, I think it works.
Overall, those are my opinions on my videos. I may be biased, but I do want this new feature to be high quality, and some standards will have to be established, so please vote on all of them. Thank you.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:54:11 PM

♂ | Currently trying to make Video Games of the 2010s too long so it can be splittable, also drive-by posting and editing.
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jun 8th 2019 at 5:13:03 PM

I have a list of video ideas on my troper page, but I and others also brought up some videos with issues:

Steel be with you.
JapaneseTeeth what. from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
what.
Jun 8th 2019 at 5:23:24 PM

[up][up]I don't think we need to specifically discuss every video that's been uploaded. It would be way simpler to just watch through them and just post the ones that people think are problematic in some fashion.

[up]Regarding these four:

  • Agreed; could cut that down to like 30 seconds.
  • Again, agreed. Video is way longer than it needs to be. Also not sure about that watermark/bug on it.
  • It's mildly annoying, but it doesn't affect the clarity of the video, so I wouldn't say it's worth removing just on that basis.
  • The only one of those that fits the trope is maybe the last one, and even in that case it's not clear because you can only see most of the characters in silhouette and you'd need to be familiar with the movies anyway. The first two are more The Omniscient Council of Vagueness or maybe Nebulous Evil Organization.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on Jun 8th 2019 at 7:53:12 AM

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 8th 2019 at 5:24:49 PM

[up] That's how most other threads work, at least.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Jun 8th 2019 at 5:59:12 PM

About the spoilers, I was thinking we could have a month restriction depending on the type of episode: regular episodes get two months, Wham Episodes get four months (could be increased depending on severity of the Wham), and season/series finales get six months. Episodes from Slice of Life works or works with little continuity would get a few weeks.

Does this sound okay?

[down] I love it.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jun 8th 2019 at 9:08:09 AM

I don't know what this thing is, and that terrifies me!
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jun 8th 2019 at 6:03:41 PM

Is the video I put on Déjà Vu okay? It might come off as a "might as well be a page quote" video for some, but the music repeating and slowing down gives it a certain edge that, while still possible to cleanly and quickly describe as just text, pushes it into useful audio territory. It also shows the entirety of the trope and nothing more, lasting less than 30 seconds.

Yes, I intentionally picked the same show as the page quote while looking for something that could work as an image.

[up] Sounds OK at a minimum.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Jun 8th 2019 at 9:04:14 AM

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
JapaneseTeeth what. from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
what.
Jun 8th 2019 at 6:05:40 PM

Honestly, I'd say it would be easier to just have a blanket period across all types of episodes. It would be easier to enforce and we wouldn't have to bother hashing out exactly how important a reveal has to be to count as a Wham Episode. Just having a universal six-month cooldown would work fine.

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JapaneseTeeth what. from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
what.
Jun 8th 2019 at 6:06:53 PM

[up][up]I'd say that's a pretty good example of what we're looking for, really. It shows enough to show the trope, and I think the repetition works pretty well in a visual medium.

EDIT: Whoops, double post. Had the same tab open twice for some reason and thought I was in a different thread.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on Jun 8th 2019 at 8:07:58 AM

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SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
   Remember freedom?   
Jun 8th 2019 at 8:12:16 PM

So I haven't tried the spoiler check box. What does it do exactly?

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 8th 2019 at 8:18:53 PM

[up] As far as I can tell...nothing. Not to the videos. Though I may need someone else to confirm, as I may have just not checked on the right video.

This is also assuming we're both talking about the "Show Spoilers" function.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
   Remember freedom?   
Jun 8th 2019 at 8:21:48 PM

No, when you upload a video, there's a checkbox to mark it as a spoiler or something. I don't know what that does.

   Don't want to be an American idiot...   
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 8th 2019 at 8:26:05 PM

Oh. I've not added any videos, so I didn't know that existed.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 9th 2019 at 1:10:57 AM

To post 6: I suppose I must have misunderstood what post 2 said, with lines like "First thing we need to do is review the videos that are currently uploaded and vote on them." and "any video that is uploaded and approved by mods will be sent here for voting. We watch and vote on the videos and send them up." I thought that every video will be judged and voted on here, but I guess not.

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JapaneseTeeth what. from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
what.
Jun 9th 2019 at 7:20:50 AM

That was just a proposal for how the system would work. Personally, I think it's a bit overkill, but if that's what we decide to do, then we do that. It's just that most of the videos so far are probably okay, so rather than individually discuss and vote on all of them I think it would be more efficient for people to just watch them on their own and only actually bring up the ones that have issues. Honestly we should probably figure out what system we're actually using before we start going through the videos.

So I guess the first thing to vote on is whether this thread's purpose is to vet all videos or just for addressing ones that are problematic.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on Jun 9th 2019 at 9:22:23 AM

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Jun 9th 2019 at 1:51:56 PM

best just the ones that are problematic.

JapaneseTeeth what. from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
what.
Jun 9th 2019 at 6:11:53 PM

Okay, so I created a sandbox page at Videos Needing Review for the purpose of keeping track of what videos have been brought up for review. I figured it would help keep things organized if we could have everything in one place.

Basically if you find a video that you think has quality control issues, just add it to the list along with a brief description of the issue. I figure once we actually discuss a video in the thread and come to a consensus on what to do with it, we can comment it out. That way even if the video stays up there'll be something of a record of what we did with it.

Hopefully eventually we can just deal with videos as they come up and not need the page, but since we currently have a backlog, I thought it might be helpful. If not, we can just can the page and figure something else out.

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Jun 16th 2019 at 12:36:23 PM

the recent slew of Aladdin videos have some problems.

Edited by acrobox on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:41:49 PM

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Jun 16th 2019 at 12:37:55 PM

So...since this thread is up and running, I must ask how we'll actually be policing these videos, with them being mod-approval-only and all...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Jun 16th 2019 at 12:57:07 PM

yeah not actually sure.

Documenting the problems is fine, but what can be done to actually fix them?

Even for simple stuff like there's no consistency to how videos are titled, or what they're tagged to (just the work, the work/its franchise, the work/franchise/and character pages for characters featured?)

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jun 16th 2019 at 2:05:57 PM

Jafar from Aladdin would go on The Bluebeard (the Spear Counterpart of Black Widow), and I don't think he's even an example of that, since it's a one-time scheme to become Sultan rather than a Serial Killer's MO.

Steel be with you.
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 7th 2019 at 11:05:55 AM

I think the Avatar: The Last Airbender example on Deadpan Snarker would work better on Stealth Insult or Disabled Snarker.

Steel be with you.

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