Unreleased Work Page Cleanup (Speculation, Spoilers, ZCE etc.)

The R thing could be some other title trope, but it isn't alliterative and should be removed.

Time Skip is definitely valid, because there's clear Word of God.

Also about the Rise of Skywalker: does Wham Line fit? I've seen a few Wham tropes applied to trailers and they always feel like knee-jerk reactions, since they're supposed to be about plot twists, and if something is shown in the teaser trailer, it's unlikely it was meant to be a plot twist.

Wham Line is shoehorned here. Cut it.

The Wham Line entry has been cut.

And there's a lock request on The Rise of Skywalker here and on the YMMV page here.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 12th 2019 at 4:58:54 AM

I'm crossing my fingers here that this isn't a prelude to another Revenge of the Jedi situation here.

• Bait-and-Switch: In the teaser, Luke's reassuring "No one's ever really gone" is followed by an Evil Laugh from the previously Put on a Bus Emperor Palpatine. Acceptable
• The Bus Came Back:
  • Emperor Palpatine last appeared in Return of the Jedi, and was absent for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. He appeared to have been killed in Return, but the trailer indicates his return in some form as his Evil Laugh can be heard right after Master Luke's reminder that "No one's ever really gone." His actor appeared onstage with other cast members to confirm his presence in the new film.
  • Lando Calrissian last appeared in Return of the Jedi, and was absent for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. In the first teaser trailer for Rise of Skywalker, he is seen piloting the Millennium Falcon alongside Chewbacca.
• Derelict Graveyard: only one ship seen, it should be moved to Eerily Out-of-Place Object
• Eerily Out-of-Place Object: Rey, Finn, Poe and company go to an ocean containing the destroyed remnants of one of the moon-sized Death Stars.
• Evil Laugh: Original trilogy Big Bad Emperor Palpatine's malicious laugh can be heard just after Luke's voiceover reassured Rey/the audience that "No one's ever really gone".
• Grand Finale: Speculative Troping: The first trailer says that in this film, "The Saga comes to an end", and it is the third film in the third trilogy. However, this can be contrasted against the title, since Rise generally indicates a beginning. For Grand Finale context, we need to know what saga will end. What is definitively and permanently changing the core axioms the film series depends on?
• Meaningful Echo: Luke's voiceover from the first trailer, "A thousand generations live in you now", serves as an echo of Obi-Wan's own line to him back in A New Hope; "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice".
• Significant Wardrobe Shift: The first trailer shows Rey wearing a completely white outfit and wielding a blue lightsaber, illustrating her role as a Jedi.
• Time Skip: As per the director J.J. Abrams, the movie picks up "some time" after the events of The Last Jedi, rather than being an Immediate Sequel as The Last Jedi was. As such, the trailer shows Finn's hair has grown out, Rey now has a new lightsaber, and so on.
• The X of Y: The Rise of Skywalker.

About YMMV.The Rise Of Skywalker

Palpatine being spoiled out. I assume since it's in the trailers it's not supposed to be a spoiler?

• Win Back the Crowd: Following the divisiveness of the last installment, the excitement for this one is near universal following The Reveal that Palpatine is back.
  • In general, the reveal trailer for the film has been hugely well-received, to the point that even many who disliked The Last Jedi are saying the film looks promising. The notoriously divided fanbase seems to be, for the first time in decades, mostly in agreement that the film looks pretty good. Only time will tell if the movie manages to truly mend the rifts and live up to hopes.

The Last Jedi also had a promising trailer, but... I believe Win Back the Crowd shouldn't be added until the work releases and we can judge. Win The Crowd a better fit?

FYI, both the main work page and YMMV page have had locks slapped on them; hopefully some measure of rigorous clean-up can be applied and get to stick. Maybe we'll even get to unlock it before release.

Good call.

So, should we post trope suggestions on this thread or on the Locked Pages one? I just want to double check.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 12th 2019 at 10:08:45 AM

Pointing prospective edits to this thread, and after that they can come to the locked pages thread.

Got it, thanks.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 12th 2019 at 10:16:24 AM

Given the mess we ran into so often with YMMV.The Last Jedi, I'm all for locking YMMV.The Rise Of Skywalker

And I'm agreeing with the decision to do so.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 12th 2019 at 9:59:22 AM

It has been already locked.

I also agree with the decision to lock that page. And like nombretomado said, the mods can unlock it around the time of its release if I'm correct.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 12th 2019 at 12:26:10 PM

I also agree with locking the page. The Star Wars pages are some of the few that we have had serious pre-release edit wars over, so a preemptive lock is a good idea.

I'm still a little worried about Palpatine's The Bus Came Back entry, even with the Word of God, but I guess the example is vague enough that it works with the trailer.

That's why I made a rewrite for the thread to approve which specifically details what's happening and gives full context. I'm not certain it should count because Disney Villain Death is not a way to Put on a Bus.

This example can definitely go under the Memetic Mutation entry in YMMV.The Rise Of Skywalker.

• Luke's line "No one's ever really gone..." resonated with the entire fandom, which then proceeded to joke about characters other than Palpatine coming back from the dead. In and out of the franchise.

Edited by AnoBakaDesu on Apr 13th 2019 at 4:41:09 AM

For Shin Sakura Wars, I would like to run these examples through this thread before I can add it based off the trailer and press release:

• As Long as There Is Evil: By 1928, the battles in Tokyo, Paris and New York have ended on a high note with the demons defeated and the world was at peace. Unfortunately, it didn’t last very long with the Great Demon War devastating the Flower Divisions in Tokyo, Paris and New York City, and the Imperial Theater falling into disrepair by the time Kamiyama arrived in Tokyo, all in a span of 12 years.
• Distant Sequel: Shin Sakura Wars takes place 12 years after So Long, My Love, by which point the Imperial, Paris and New York Combat Revues have been lost in the Great Demon War, the World Combat Revue War competition has been organized, Sumire has taken Ogami’s place as the combat revue’s commander, and a new Flower Division has been established.

Would those work?

Edited by gjjones on Apr 14th 2019 at 4:44:31 AM

Regarding The Rise of Skywalker, what would be the trope of a trailer making a callback to a trailer for a previous film?

The first tagline featured in the teaser was "Every Generation has a Legend". The thing is, the first teaser for the The Phantom Menace (and thus for the entire prequel trilogy) had that same tagline (although with an added ellipses), as explained here.

This would be a Mythology Gag, because it's repeating a previous bit of marketing with a new context.

Concrete information about the characters in The Mandalorian, as well as footage from the show were released today at the Star Wars Celebration panel for the show.

The following trope examples can be derived from the footage and the panel:

• Action Girl: Kara Dune, an ex-Rebel shocktrooper skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with a Mandalorian warrior.
• Bounty Hunter: Like the Fetts before him, the Mandalorian is one of the best bounty hunters around. Grif serves as handler for a whole bunch of them.
• Cool Starship: The Razor Crest, the ship the protagonist uses for transportation, is a military surplus gunship with considerable firepower.
• The Handler: Grif Cargo serves as the main contact for a group of bounty hunters which includes the protagonist, informing them about jobs.
• Interquel: The series starts 5 years after the Battle of Endor, placing it some 25 years before The Force Awakens.
• No Place for a Warrior: Kara Dune used to be a Shock Trooper for the Rebellion, but she is having a hard time reintegrating into society now that the war is over.

Are these tropes concrete enough to merit recreating the page?

Edited by AzureOwl on Apr 14th 2019 at 3:52:22 AM

Bounty Hunter is a zero-context example.

Since the work isn't out yet, they're all speculation because they fail to cite where we get the information from.

The trailer for the seventh season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars was revealed today, and I wanted to ask if these tropes are OK for rebooting the page:

• Late-Arrival Spoiler:
  • Ahsoka standing next to Bo-Katan in the SDCC 18 trailer gives away the latter's Heel–Face Turn that occurred in Season 5.
  • The Celebration Chicago trailer is also rife with major spoilers from the installment's past, such as Ahsoka leaving the Jedi Order and the deaths of Fives, Echo and Hevy.
• Leaning on the Fourth Wall: Ahsoka telling Anakin in the SDCC 18 trailer that "It's been a while" is twofold. The installment's renewal marks it's return four years since the last season, and also marks the first major Prequel Trilogy era installment (minus any canonical novels and comics) since the Disney acquisition.
• The Oner: In the SDCC 18 trailer, the camera follows an LAAT flying to Fort Anaxes, then shows Anakin, Rex and Hunter walking outside the base, and finally pans to a humongous Republic fleet above them.
• Recycled Trailer Music: The SDCC 18 trailer uses the same music from The Force Awakens' second trailer.
• Serkis Folk: Dave Filoni revealed that Ray Park, Maul's physical actor from the theatrical films, was brought on to do his motion capture.

Isnt the Late-Arrival Spoiler example speculative?