Misused: Stop Having Fun Guys

This gets chronically misused as someone who's a wet blanket or a killjoy around his friends, trying to get them to stop doing something wild. I also see it used for people who just criticize people for liking certain works. Oddly enough, I can't find a perfect trope for this (closest I can find is Grumpy Bear or Only Sane Man, but that doesn't seem to be quite the same).

In actuality, it's about a Gamer who doesn't play games to have fun, but to win and thinks anyone who doesn't do the same is a noob and "playing it wrong."

First 25 out of 662 wicks:

• Abridged Arena Array (and laconic): Correct
• Acceptable Professional Targets: Misuse (unless hall monitors are gamers)
• Acceptable Ethnic Targets: Misuse (people who frown upon Self Deprication)
• YMMV/Aion: Correct
• All Issues Are Political Issues: Misuse
• American Football: Misuse, since it's talking about people thinking certain actions in football being banned for being "undignified." In fact, it's the exact opposite since the "Stop Having Fun" Guys are the ones advocating against the effective actions.
• American Kirby Is Hardcore: I... guess correct? Not much context since it's a caption, and it's slight misuse since it's basically using the trope as "wants to win" without the other parts of it. But I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say it works.
• Americans Hate Tingle: Misuse, talking about how Americans dislike a series for being too weird.
• Take That!/Anime: Correct
• Break the Cutie/Anime: Probable misuse, potholed as "serious."
• Anime & Manga: Correct
• Anime & Manga: Correct
• Another Time, Another Place: Misuse, someone saying stop enjoying yourself while singing.
• April Fools' Day: Not sure, I lean towards no. It is a video game example, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with competition.
• Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Misuse as someone who's no fun.
• Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy: Close enough.
• Ascended Glitch: Misuse. It has the right idea (competitive players being annoying), but like the American Football example earlier, it's actually saying the opposite with the supposed "Stop Having Fun" Guy advocating against the effective glitch.
• Ask The Tropers: ... weird that it's linked, but anyway. The three ways that SHFG came in a search were two examples of misuse and one with no context. Imma count that as one "Misuse"
• Assault Rifles: Misuse, as it's people trying to ban Assault Rifles for safety reasons.
• Attack on Titan: Honestly, I have no idea why it's being potholed there, as it's sinkholed to an example of people just enjoying a work. Anyway, misuse.
• Audience Reactions: Index. Not counting it either way.
• YMMV/Audiosurf: Correct
• YMMV/Avatar: Misuse. People bashing others' taste in movies.
• Awesome, but Impractical: Correct
• YMMV/Bakugan: Not much context, but looks correct.
• Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden: No context.

First 25 wicks: 8 correct, 2 correct-ish, 12 wrong, 2-wrong-ish. One no context.

Not to mention the punctuation in the title makes no sense. It should be either "Stop Having Fun, Guys!" or "'Stop Having Fun!' Guy."

I think at the very least, the definition could be expanded to video game players who insist that there's a "right" way to play, even if it's not the best. The Ascended Glitch example seems like it has the right spirit, but it is still technically misuse.

edited 26th Nov '13 10:25:14 AM by Larkmarn

With 11655 inbounds and one preceding TRS voting against it, a rename is not really an option.

Title punctuation could be fixed through wikiword customising, right?

Hrm. Well, in the meantime, I'm going to get more wicks to prove misuse just in case.

Next 25:

• Batman: The Brave and the Bold: Misuse, despite the Invoked tag. It's invoking someone who looks down on a different sport, which isn't this trope.
• Battlefield Heroes: Seems to actually be referring to Scrub. Not sure, though. I'm calling it neutral unless someone can figure that out.
• Ben Drowned: Misuse. People saying "guys the ARG isn't real" has nothing to do with the trope.
• Big Brother: It's not referring to a video game, but otherwise the context is similar (people criticizing the way people are playing the game, saying that they're doing it wrong). Still technically misuse, though (especially since they're criticizing the way they're playing because they don't think it's as effective).
• Big Brother 11: Presumably the same thing, though it's on a character page and not YMMV.
• Big Brother 13: Ditto.
• Billy vs. SNAKEMAN: Correct.
• WMG/Bioshock: Correct
• Black Adventures: Correct
• Bloody Roar: Misuse for someone not liking the game.
• Blue Hour: Misuse for... honestly I don't know. Just definitely wrong, though.
• Bob Chipman: Misuse for people who are Complaining About Consoles They Don't Like.
• Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo: Misuse for the same.
• Body-Count Competition: Close enough.
• Book Burning: Misuse for party pooper.
• Brawl in the Family: A Correct invocation!
• Bridge In The Menagerie: No real context. Probably correct given the work.
• Tabletop Game/Brikwars: Misused for Serious Business.
• Brütal Legend: Misuse. Not sure exactly what it's about, but it's not about gaming.
• Characters/Canimals: Misuse for a party pooper.
• Castlevania: Rondo of Blood: Misuse for making fun of someone for using a specific character because they're girly, not because their ineffective (or because she's [[Scrub too effective. Either way, misuse).
• Character Tiers: Correct
• Cheat Code: Correct
• YMMV/Chuggaaconroy: Misuse. He thinks people should play like him even if it's not the most effective way.
• Company of Heroes: Misuse for someone who wants others to take something seriously.

7 correct. 1 probably correct. 16 wrong. One unclear.

So that puts us at:

15 correct, 3 probably correct, 28 wrong, 2 probably wrong, 2 unclear.

At least ZC Es haven't really been an issue. I feel like some of the inbounds have to be from XKCD's popularity... which is weird since the comic the name comes from is Not An Example. Thus contributing to the misuse to boot.

edited 26th Nov '13 11:57:57 AM by Larkmarn

I'm inclined to a Trope Transplant here.

Submitted a fix for the custom title.

Yeah, unclear title and clear evidence of misuse. Also, description could use a little clarifying: another interpretation is that it's a militant, elitist min-maxer who insists that his way to play is the only way to play.

edited 26th Nov '13 7:17:35 PM by StarSword

Given that it's a YMMV anyway, I don't think it's worth the trouble trying to keep it ultra-tight. Let people use it how they're using it; it's not like it's that far off.

Then shouldn't we expand the definition to allow such examples?

The thing is, the way it's currently misused, it's often a decent character trope. The misuse of "character is bitter his friends are having fun, but the wrong way" isn't a YMMV item since it's not an Audience Reaction.

Then make this trope more Exactly What It Says on the Tin, take it out of YMMV and make it a character trope, and start a new YMMV item for the current definition with a new name?

I'd like to know what this trope is being used for in inbounds.

This trope's title sounds like the common mispunctuation "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen", which sounds as if God is commanding people to stop having fun. The correct punctuation is "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" — God wants people to start having fun.

Is that how you're supposed to read it? I've never been able to parse that song's name.

Clocking.

I advocate expanding the trope to fit the misuse and take it out of YMMV. It's incredibly easy compared to the alternatives, and it's not really a big deal, all things considered.

ETA: Hell, I'll just go in and do it myself if no one else wants to.

edited 28th Jan '14 10:59:55 PM by Leaper

OK, so how many (and which) of the uses as described in previous posts SHOULD be part of the new description (including the current), keeping in mind that at least one (the original) is in YMMV territory, while the others are not?

How about turning "Stop Having Fun" Guys into a Disambiguation between a new page for a character who is a wet blanket and the current definition, which is about competitive gaming.

With 12000+ inbounds, I am not so inclined towards degrading this to a disambig.

I say it depends on the externals:

• If the majority favor the "wet blanket" mode, move the "gamer" examples.
• If the majority favor the "gamer" mode, move the "wet blanket" examples.
• If both combine for an overwhelming majority but neither is the clear winner, then disambig.
• And if the plurality is neither, then we need to create new tropes and lock this one.

Broadening a trope generally doesn't require moving examples, and the trope is already locked.

To me, the "wet blanket" definition ("We shouldn't do this, it's against the law/someone will get hurt/I don't wanna!") is different from the "gamer" definition ("Do it right/competitively or don't do it at all!")

They're both against Fun for Fun's sake, but from different standpoints. So from what I see, there's two Tropes here, not one narrowly-defined one.

Agree.

It's two different ways of being a wet blanket. There's no need to waste the manpower it would take to comb through and move hundreds of wicks when it's close enough to Lump.

The one problem with that is that the current trope is YMMV for a reason, right? Are there any other tropes out there with a definition that is a trope and a definition that is YMMV at the same time?

Well, the issue is really that both of these have the same name in practice.

@Troacctid: By that definition we might as well lump in Scrub as well, because that guy's being a wet blanket about everyone else being too good.

They're sister tropes. Similar connotation, totally different ways to get there.

edited 16th Feb '14 2:53:38 PM by StarSword