Is this an example?

Yep, it's a deliberate reference to some other media so it counts.

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Are the following examples from Undertale.Tropes O To Z valid examples of Space Whale Aesop?

• The Genocide route is still incredibly horrific and effectively deconstructs the concept of grinding in RPGs and killing characters you otherwise love in subsequent playthroughs just to see what happens, but the very last scene takes it Up To Eleven and turns the message of the playthrough into 'don't go murdering innocent people otherwise you'll get possessed by a creature of pure evil and be forced to destroy the entire world whether you want to or not'. Made worse by the fact said creature possesses your character in every subsequent playthrough and preventing you from ever achieving the Golden Ending ever again, throwing a layer of Fantastic Aesop on top of that by implying 'you can't always use time travel to escape the consequences of your actions'.
• For the pacifist run: try to resolve issues not with violence, but by talking them out, or else you will be leaving an entire race to be trapped underground because they would not all gather by the end so that the villain could use their souls (and six previous human souls) to have enough power to break the barrier keeping monsters trapped in should you talk him out of throwing reality in an endless reset loop to play with you because he confused you with his adopted sibling.

"My job here is done." "But you didn't do anything."

Space Whale Aesop is real-world advice conveyed via unrealistic consequences, so yeah, those seem to fit.

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Would the following fall under Cool and Unusual Punishment? I'm not sure because I'm not sure they count as punishments, strictly speaking:

• Kakos Industries: One of the final segments of every episode is the announcement of who won that week's "Ruin-A-Life" drawing. It generally consists of Kakos Industries inflicting some life-ruining event on the nemesis of whoever won the drawing then, for evil measure, doing something ironically opposite to the drawing's winner. Examples include the nemesis being made more sincere regardless of whether they should be while the drawing's winner becomes less sincere, the nemesis being made "thorny" while the winner must continue to work alongside the nemesis, or the nemesis being given literally thin skin while the winner gets literally thicker.

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Also, a new question, this is on Tsukimichi Moonlit Fantasy as Reconstruction, but to me it reads more as Deconstruction, which I understand as when an entire genre sees Surprisingly Realistic Outcomes to its tropes, where a Reconstruction goes all-in on what makes those tropes entertaining in the first place.

• Reconstruction: Of the typical Story-Breaker Power protagonist that isekai light novels use. Everyone who fully understands how strong Makoto is treats him as a living Doomsday Device, one that absolutely must be kept as far away from politics and taking sides in conflicts as possible, lest he start wiping entire civilizations out. Fortunately for the world, he's more interested in being a merchant... which he's decidedly less than talented at. We even get to see some Alternate Timelines where Makoto does start taking sides, all of which have led to The End of the World as We Know It. Thus, a running theme through the story instead becomes about the consequences of giving teenagers ultimate power itself, rather than how they derail existing plot lines.

Would Metroid: Other M count as a case of Uncertain Audience?

i think your second example is just a deconstruction

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How do you think Other M it might it count? How is it guilty of its appeals conflicting with each other?

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• Why Would Anyone Take Him Back?: Friendship example; Casterfo stabs Leia in the back by outing her and Luke's parentage without talking to her first. She calls him out for thinking that she, a staunch defender of democracy, would be like the man that tortured her, blew up Alderaan, tortured Han, cut off Luke's hand and tried to tempt her brother to the Dark Side. Sure, he manages to grant her a hearing when she's exploring the Axamines, but he destroyed her political career over a petty grudge without bothering to consider that Leia's had trouble reconciling her parentage with what she idolizes. Still, when he's framed for treason and sentenced to death, Leia goes to talk to him and renews their friendship, promising to do what she can to save his life. Obviously, she fails because as Casterfo dryly points out, he destroyed her career and with it any chance she had to save him. Still, he wasn't worth the effort. To be fair, she did figure out that he was nothing more than an Unwitting Pawn of the First Order's Batman Gambit to prevent her from revealing their existence too soon, and can tell how much he regrets his actions.

1. Why Would Anyone Take Him Back? is a romance trope and the non-romantic uses I've seen have been to shoehorn in complaint about Easily Forgiven. 2. "Still, he wasn't worth the effort" sound like it's using the claim he's not worth it as proof he's not worth it. 3. The last part is arguing against it stating why it's justifiable. Cut or what?

I was thinking because Other M brings back a lot of enemies and bosses from the older games that in some cases hadn't been seen for a while, giving it the impression of being marketed to long-time fans, only for the drastically different gameplay and story focus to alienate them. Meanwhile casuals who would ordinarily be drawn in by those would run into Continuity Lockout.

Is this Spell My Name With An S?

• Friday Night Funkin' D-Sides: The mod is officially referred to as D-Sides, with an S, however the title screen refers to it as just D-Side.

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Also, if Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts can be labelled an Acclaimed Flop, shouldn't Other M also? They both have the same Metacritic score of 79.

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What an Idiot!: Pretty much everyone Asumi interacted with in her childhood, kids or adults, think she's some kind of retard or the bringer of destruction and hatred. Examples down below.

Not only NO examples are presented but I am pretty sure this is misused somehow.

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This is an In-Universe example, not audience reactions. But what's up with the casual use of the r slur, does this get used in the manga, or is this the editor's language...?

Is it even What An Idiot if the character is consistently written to be an idiot?

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Is this correct use of Your Worst Memory?

• Characters.Assassination Classroom Class 3 E Main: When he throws himself from a cliff as part of his Suicide Attack on Koro-sensei, he laughs manically for a bit, exclaiming "Wow! Everything is flashing before my eyes!" as he recalls the moment where a teacher had let him down by breaking his promise to Karma. Taken Up To Eleven when the teacher's face starts withering away slowly, till he's nothing but a talking skull in Karma's mind and then he concludes that the teacher is dead to him. That one unforgettable memory was the defining moment that made Karma lose his trust in teachers.

@LinkMarioSamus: Regarding Other M. The gameplay and story, addressing things fans has speculated on for years, was met with excitement when first shown in trailers. Thus it's the execution of the final product as opposed to conflicting appeals causing the issues.

It also did have a certain audience in mind, Japanese who don't normally care as much for the series. But even they were unhappy with the changes from the series norm as opposed to the parts appealing to American audiences.

@Crossover-Enthusiast: Title Confusion?

: Supposedly no. What An Idiot is when audiences see a smart choice and expect them to make it, only for them to make a dumb one instead. If they are normally so idiotic audiences (should) expect them to make a dumb one instead. That it make it entirely redundant with Idiot Ball is why it's due for a TRS.

That's fair, I guess I just had Alien: Covenant in mind and was thinking the same thing because I feel like both franchises have had eerily similar trajectories.

Can a substance go through Adaptation Dye-Job? I asked because in Titans (2018), the Lazarus Pit is portrayed as blue/white where normally its green.

Can a villain character be both Laughably Evil AND a Knight of Cerebus? Because Katz is listed as both in his folder in the Courage the Cowardly Dog character page.

From Mace Windu's section in Characters.Star Wars Jedi Council:

• Nice Job Breaking It, Hero:
  • Indirectly, it is his refusal to apologize to Ahsoka for the way the Council treated her that leads to her walking away from the Order, which is an event that further inflames Anakin's anger with the Jedi.
  • The Jedi Council, and Mace Windu in particular, don't trust Anakin because he is too close to Palpatine; yet Palpatine has requested that young Skywalker be his representative on the Council. One option for Mace would have been to explain his misgivings to Anakin and ask him to make a choice then & there which side to be on. Instead, Mace not only insults Anakin by denying him the rank of Master but also sets him up as an informant for the Council in Palpatine's office; and a resentful spy is the best kind of spy. Thus, Anakin is driven even closer to the Chancellor.
  • Making a grand, slow, and dramatic move to kill Palpatine rather than a swift action while the lightsaber is inches from his face gives Anakin enough time to intervene, which directly leads to his death and indirectly causes the deaths of thousands of Jedi.

Are these valid examples of this trope?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Out of curiosity, does Katz fulfill this requirement of Knight of Cerebus?

It's been a while since I've watched Courage the Cowardly Dog, but I don't seem to recall Katz creating a long-term tone shift.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 27th 2021 at 5:23:42 AM

Isn't courage as awhole pretty dark throughout ?

Not sure any characters could count as a Ko C their.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

From ArtisticLicenseHistory.Downfall 2004:

• General Jodl is portrayed as being overweight and completely bald, when he was actually slim and had hair on the sides of his head. Compare the film to this pic of Jodl signing Germany's surrender◊.

Is it really worth mentioning it as Artistic License at all? The entry also appears in the character sheet as a Zig-Zagged Adaptational Ugliness. I could understand mentioning it if it played any importance to the plot, or the difference would be exaggerate. But it seem that the entry boils down to "for the role of General Jodl they found an actor who is pretty different to him, unlike other actors who more closely resemble the actual historical figures".

On Butters Scotch character sheet:

• Kiddie Kid: While the other kids are based on the suspicious beliefs parents hold on how children would act when adults aren't around, Butters is way more innocent and friendlier than his classmates.

This example doesn't explain how his behavior is immature for his age, and for the record, I've never seen him engaging in any behavior outright infantile. Since Butters is eight, I don't see most of his idiosyncrasies (ie. singing to himself) as immature for his age, plus he does become more cynical in the later seasons, all making this example ambiguous, since Kiddie Kid is not the same trope as Token Good Teammate.