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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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Wouldn't the work with the lesbian subtext be the one with Adaptational Sexuality? Unless it came first. But the "subtext" phrasing doesn't sound like it was even canon that she's a lesbian.
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No, Ultimates came out much later. But it sounds too ambiguous to be an example.
- Stillborn Franchise: Despite positive reviews and seen as a worthy successor to OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes Cartoon Network decided to pass on the show, leaving only the pilot left.
This was announced an hour ago.
As for the original Storm, yes, Claremont was the writer that created her. But the "lesbian subtext" was just that, subtext, Getting Crap Past the Radar at a time when the idea of a gay superhero was completely unheard of. Then she had a romance with Forge, later Black Panther, and this "subtext" never became an actual thing (as far as I know) once society marched on and homosexuality in superhero comics became a reality.
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So, in Monsters, Inc., is Waternoose considered the Big Bad or The Dragon?
Edited by gjjones on Oct 16th 2020 at 10:11:00 AM
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The Big Bad. I'm not sure why you'd think he's The Dragon. Who would he be dragon to?
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If anybody's The Dragon it would be Randall.
Also, re: Trick Moon: if it's not a franchise then it's just a One-Episode Wonder.
Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 16th 2020 at 10:50:28 AM
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It’s been this weird debate that shouldn’t be happening. Waternoose and Randall are either a Big Bad Duumvirate, or Waternoose is the clear Big Bad with Randall as The Dragon. I don’t even know where this evidence comes from.
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There's a popular fan theory that the Scream Extractor was Randall's idea and Waternoose just went along with it to help support his company. There's a part where Waternoose yells to Randall "There can't be any witnesses!", to which Randall glares at him and says "There won't be", which fans theorize is proof he was planning on getting rid of Waternoose when he was done with Mike and Sulley.
The operative word there is theory. In the film Waternoose is undeniably the Big Bad.
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Yep, put the "Randall is behind it all" interpretation on WMG or even Epileptic Trees if you wish, but for the main page, stick to what the narrative presents.
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Got it, thanks. Replaced it with this:
- One-Episode Wonder: Despite the pilot having positive reviews and quickly garnering a passionate fanbase, the pitch for a full series was rejected in the midst of company restructuring.
Reposting from the previous two pages, so it doesn't get lost?:
I already posted this in the Ensemble Darkhorse clean-up thread but didn't get a response, but isn't Jonathan Crane/The Scarecrow from Batman Begins too much of a major character to qualify since he's built up through out the movie as if he's gonna be the major villain until the third act when it turns out he isn't?:
From the same page should Epileptic Trees still be kept even if they've been effectively Jossed?:
Also from the same page is the following example being used correctly, given that the examples is not about a minor character but the main character as seen from the POV of a hallucination?:
Considering that Heath Ledger's Joker is (as far as I know) the most praised villain performance in superhero movie history, it seems wrong to claim that Scarecrow is "many filmgoers' favorite villain of the trilogy, or even the Batman franchise as a whole!" I know that "many" is subjective, but it still feels like unqualified gushing.
And as you yourself say, he's so important to the plot that naming him an Ensemble Darkhorse is a misfit moniker.
The Epileptic Trees can stay, since (as far as I know) there's zero requirement that they not be Jossed.
Concerning the One-Scene Wonder: Yeah, that's not what the trope is about. Cut it, please.
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YMMV.Disturbed has a ZCE of Narm Charm, and I'm trying to fix it. Will this be good enough?
- Narm Charm: The Sickness (especially the child abuse segment of "Down with the Sickness"), thanks to its excessively dark lyrics and David Draiman's unabashed screaming and raging, can sound overdramatic, stupidly aggressive, or just plain ridiculous. Later albums tone the screaming down a bit but keep the overblown angst, often take a message and bash the listener over the head with it, and include unironic Badass Boasts belted out in the most over-the-top way possible. The attitude, the bombastic gusto, and total disregard for subtlety are the reasons why many fans love the band.
Distinction Without a Difference: doesn't a squeal also need to be high-pitched? There's other loud exclamations of surprise. But the intention's there...
- A Change in Perspective:
Greg: Pansy said she doesn't squeal. That only foolish girls squeal and she's far too dignified for that. She said the noises she makes aren't squeals – they're simply loud exclamations of surprise.
Edited by Malady on Oct 17th 2020 at 6:06:33 AM
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Reposting: In Dawn of War II: Chaos Rising, Tarkus potentially betrays his battle-brothers and acquires a corrupted bolter, claiming that he intends to use it to wipe out the black legion to save his chapter. During the ensuing Boss Battle (2:51), he quotes a passage from the codex, presumably to postpone his inevitable fall to Chaos, while also addressing the bolter as if it were alive, growing less stoic with every passing moment Upon his defeat, he painfully asks the Blighted Bolter why it abandoned him when defeated. Is Tarkus' behavior an example of a Villainous Breakdown?
Would a character who turns out to have been under Demonic Possession for their entire screentime qualify for Impersonation-Exclusive Character?
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Depends on how the possession works, I suppose.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Creator.Lindsay Ellis: Is this okay? It's Useful Notes... But the section is titled:
- UsefulNotes.The Auteur Theory: Not a fan. In Part 2 of The Whole Plate, she describes it as a "celebration of egomania", seeing it largely as an attempt to create an entire field of academia to justify the self-importance of a clique of Prima Donna Directors. She does admit, however, that it has some good points, most notably with directors having certain key themes that show up throughout their bodies of work, the idea that it's more important for a film to be interesting than just conventionally good, and with how its proponents led the way in trying to get film recognized as True Art.
And there's one for UsefulNotes.Disney Renaissance too.
Edited by Malady on Oct 17th 2020 at 6:09:13 AM
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It's listing the UN page as a trope, which is disallowed. Her opinion can be discussed under any other relevant trope (or discussed YMMV entry), or a recap page for the video.
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- I guess it'd be Signature Style, given that that's one of the potholes.
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The person's physical body is never replaced or anything. However, the entity had taken over to the point where she was actively doing things that would doom her entire village and people close to her thought she was coming down with dementia because she took a while to recognize people when running into them for the first time since being possessed.
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It seems like the actual character was still influencing things directly, so I would not file this under Impersonation-Exclusive Character.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
The X-Men comics is a long-runner series from the 1960s to modern-day. Ultimate X Men was a reimagination in an Ultimate Universe. The character folder for Ultimate Storm has the following
However, as said, the "lesbian subtext" has only been noteworthy under one writer. Later on, this has been silently abandoned, and she was paired with Forge first and Black Panther later (both male). Is the example valid, then?
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