Is this an example?

That's not "implied" anything, it's just Speculative Troping.

Malady's trying to say that it needs to be made clear that it's a trailer trope (i.e. trailers can use tropes to convey something that may not be in the final product) and does not reflect the final product.

The Actionized Sequel example still contains a ZCE anyway since it does not define how Elsa used her powers "more intensely", nor will that be definable before release. The Anna-with-a-sword statement, however, may fit under a different trope (character page?) as there's a pretty objective change from "not wielding weapons" to "attacking others with a sword upon provocation".

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 14th 2019 at 5:59:02 AM

I'd also argue that "more of an adventurous epic" doesn't really make anything Darker and Edgier.

That trope is thrown around way too casually. We have absolutely zero evidence from the trailer of the tone of Frozen 2, so speculating about it in the work article is grossly irresponsible.

Thanks, zapped them again.

Onto a different topic, there's an Anyone Can Die example on Avengers: Endgame that I would really like to zap, since that trope requires all kinds of characters to be killed off to establish the trope's presence (which hasn't been shown in Endgame yet), while Spider-Man: Far From Home seems to show that the opposite is happening.

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 14th 2019 at 6:25:13 AM

Zap.

I started a discussion over at The Books of Ember and thought I'd put this here, too. This was originally a part of the page, but I commented it out because I'm not sure that any of these really count:

• Accidentally Broke the MacGuffin:
  • In The City of Ember, the "Instructions for Egress" were mostly ruined by Lina's baby sister, Poppy, chewing on them; this turned what would have otherwise been a very quick and simple quest into a much more difficult and time-consuming ordeal as they tried to piece together what remained of the instructions.
  • The "Instructions for Egress" had been kept in a safe in a special place of honor for years until about fifty or sixty years earlier, the then mayor took it home and tried to open it, never replacing the safe but instead, having it shoved into a closet to be forgotten and unseen even as its timed lock opened.
    • Slightly tweaked in the film adaptation; the box was meant to be passed from mayor to mayor, but the box was lost when one mayor died while in the role, with his family inheriting the box without knowing what it was for.
  • In The Diamond Of Darkhold, Doon throws the diamond of Darkhold at a pack of wolves to save Lina. The diamond hits the rock that Lina is standing on and shatters into hundreds of pieces. Luckily, the diamond is only a sample. There are exactly one thousand diamonds in a hidden room in the cave. The diamonds are ancient technology that turns solar power into electricity.

For one thing, neither the Instructions for Egress nor the box containing them are MacGuffins by any definition of the term. For another, the box wasn't even broken. The last example is the only one that might be a true example, as while the diamonds aren't really MacGuffins, their purpose in the book hadn't yet been revealed and for all intents and purposes they were more or less MacGuffins. However, I'm still not sure if it would count, as Doon quite deliberately threw the diamond and I have a hard time imagining he didn't expect it to break.

What do you guys think?

Burnt.

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 14th 2019 at 9:38:49 AM

This waas deleted off of Ambiguous Disorder due to the rule against diagnosing characters:

• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild: This incarnation of Princess Zelda displays many of the symptoms related to depression. The main one are sadness (usually seen in a depressed mood regarding her failed attempts to awaken her sealing power), irritation (she snaps at Link at one point because he was ordered to follow her), loneliness (her mother's passing and the distant relationship with her father being noticeable issues she has) and massive self-loathing (she regrets snapping at Link and views herself a failure for not unlocking her powers). She lost her mother a decade prior to the game's flashbacks and has been criticized by even her own father for not being able to use her ancestral powers, suggesting the constant judgement may have affected her.

I'd like to add it back as this, but I don't know if it still counts as Ambiguous Disorder:

• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild: This incarnation of Princess Zelda displays symptoms of this. The main ones are sadness (usually seen in a depressed mood regarding her failed attempts to awaken her sealing power), irritation (she snaps at Link at one point because he was ordered to follow her), loneliness (her mother's passing and the distant relationship with her father being noticeable issues she has) and massive self-loathing (she regrets snapping at Link and views herself a failure for not unlocking her powers). She lost her mother a decade prior to the game's flashbacks and has been criticized by even her own father for not being able to use her ancestral powers, suggesting the constant judgement may have affected her.

VideoGame.Weird And Unfortunate Things Are Happening:

Don't think there's a lot of examples of Alice Allusion using a variant name like Alicia, so I don't think it's noteworthy as an aversion.

I'd delete that. Shout Outs and allusions are deliberate.

WesternAnimation.The Secret Of NIMH:

• Plot Hole: There are several plotholes in the film, some of them being a result of changes from the book.
  • The most notable is the source of the Amulet Nicodemus gives Mrs. Brisby. In fact, Nicodemus' magic powers in general. The film never explains where either came from. It's not even addressed if Nicodemus got those abilities as a side effect of the injection (which would raise questions about why the other rats got no such abilities) or if he was intelligent enough to learn them on his own.
  • The film never really makes a distinction about how much more intelligent the rats are than other animals, aside from the obvious results of scientific progress and the self consciousness of humanlike responsibility shifted onto them. The other animals are clearly capable of communication, rational thought and thinking skills like decision making and deductive reasoning. Did the injection simply give the rats a bigger idea of comprehension than the other animals?
  • If the Rats wanted to leave no trace behind of their lair, how were they going to take care of hiding something as massive as the council room?
  • Why is it that Mrs. Shrew recommends Mrs. Brisby see the Great Owl when Mr. Ages makes it clear that no one else has seen the Great Owl and lived to tell about it? How would she have known If he was wise, or if it was even sensible to ask for his help if he had that kind of reputation?
  • And why does Mr. Ages have a makeshift lab built inside a giant piece of farm equipment? Since he doesn't like visitors anyway, wouldn't It have been safer to keep the lab within the boundaries of the rats' lair, instead of putting himself in a situation that could call to attention his above average knowledge of science and medicine to outsiders?^note also note that in the book, he lived in a much more sensible hideout—an old, long abandoned building.

Are these plot holes, or just Fridge Logic?

Don't Plot Holes usually cause Fridge Logic?

I've got a few more potential examples from Black Clover:

• The Farmer and the Viper: Asta and the Black Bulls risk their lives to save the Forest of Witches from the Diamond Kingdom's invasion. Then, the Witch Queen repays the favor by tricking Asta into almost killing his friends. This is ultimately subverted, however, when she willingly decides to become a true ruler and give them her magic stone to Asta as thanks for saving the forest.
• Heel Face Mole: When the Diamond Kingdom invades the Forest of Witches, the Black Bulls come to the Witch Queen's aid and stop the invasion. After all is said and done, the Queen quickly takes control of Asta and uses his powers to try and kill everyone there.

Thoughts?

Edited by gjjones on Feb 14th 2019 at 10:04:17 AM

From Darkhorse Sibling:

• The Little Mermaid: Unlike her responsible sisters, Ariel is the only one who gets in trouble, breaks rules, and fights with her father. She's also the one who ends up marrying the prince.

Does marrying a prince mean anything when they're all already princesses?

We don't know anything about Ariel's sisters or what they do with their lives. We don't know if they're single, married, or betrothed, or to whom. They're in like one scene in the beginning. Not An Example.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 15th 2019 at 10:30:17 AM

Supplementary material and spinoffs gives them more characterization, but if we're talking about the base film than that's true.

If the spinoffs (I know there was an animated series and at least one direct-to-video sequel, none of which I've seen) give them enough characterization that Ariel can fairly be considered the Darkhorse Sibling by comparison, then the example can be filed under one or more of those spinoffs. Not under the film though.

Imported this from Ask The Tropers.

I want to add an example to Steven Universe's What An Idiot page, but the only examples there are from seasons 4 and 5 and all the other examples were removed. I want to know if this one (from season 3) is ok to add.

Restaurant Wars

• The kids are trying to think up ideas to end the restaurant war. Steven suggests that Kiki and Ronaldo pose as Star-Crossed Lovers. Ronaldo doesn't want to do it, because he has a girlfriend.
  You'd Expect: Steven and co. to believe him. Ronaldo may be a little wacky, but Steven, Kiki, Jenny, and somewhat Peedee seem to be on good terms with him, so they'd believe him.
  Instead: No one believes him, not even Steven, and so they force him to go through with it anyway.
  As A Result: Ronaldo's girlfriend, Jane, arrives at the wrong moment and thinks that he was cheating on her with Kiki. She runs away in tears, dumping Ronaldo and leaving him depressed for the rest of the episode. And everyone is apathetic to his situation, even Steven.
  

Cut the "And everyone is apathetic to his situation, even Steven." which is complaining irrelevant to this trope, and it seems valid.

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S0 E3 "Teacher of the Month"

• Continuity Snarl: Despite the ending of "Non-Compete Clause", where the class told Twilight that Applejack and Rainbow Dash should be nominated for Teacher of the Month, it appears that Fluttershy won the award that month, too.

Unless anyone objects, I'm gonna cut since the students recommending Applejack and Rainbow Dash doesn't mean Twilight went through with it, especially given their bad behavior that episode which Twilight acknowledged and the students were transparently covering for.

- I'm more confused why we call the shorts, Season 0...

Eh... I mean, he's Ronaldo. He's a weird wingnut who dedicates most of his time to making conspiracy theories. Him suddenly saying he has a girlfriend when he's never mentioned her beforehand, in a situation where he's supposed to fake a relationship with Kiki? I wouldn't believe him either.

And even if they did believe him, none of them would expect that she'd just randomly show up while they performed the plan.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Feb 15th 2019 at 4:59:24 AM

OvershadowedByControversy.Live Action Films:

• Disney's live-action remake of their very own Aladdin became best-known for racial controversy before it was even out, first by casting the half-white, half-Indian Naomi Scott as the Arab Princess Jasmine, and later when it was discovered that several background characters were played by white actors whose skin had been darkened with makeup and CGI. The controversy died down when they announced that several scenes would be reshot with Middle Eastern actors. Unfortunately, there's also the issue of a white Canon Foreigner being added, to no apparent point except putting a white person in the movie, as if Disney was skittish about the chances of a movie without any.
  • When publicity photos of Will Smith as the Genie emerged, complaints arose about the fact that he wasn't painted blue to match Genie's look in the original. Smith assured people that he would be blue in the final product, but when trailers emerged of Smith with blue makeup, social media was flooded with memes mocking the look.

I think there's a rule against pre-release since we won't know if it stays overshadowed until it releases. Cut?

Cut.