Is this an example?

Have a question about this entry in Fire Emblem: Awakening (removed the spoiler tags for easier reading; please let me know if that's not allowed):

• Ass Pull: The events of (and the ones pertaining to) chapter 23 are this, oh so much. So, Robin killed Chrom and nothing changed, right? Nope! Basilio comes back and pulls a Big Damn Heroes, and reveals that Robin foresaw everything in a dream. Validar taunts him, only for Basilio to state the further revelation that he replaced the gemstones with fakes. Then cut to the end of the chapter; Grima warps in out of nowhere and revives himself with the life force of all the surrounded Grimleal. Shortly after that, when the group is beginning to despair, Robin reveals that they took the Fire Emblem off of Validar's body, and shows it to them, aglow from all five real gemstones set in it. So, Robin had the real gemstones and they weren't in the Emblem; therefore, Grima can't be resurrected. ...Except he just brought himself back using the life force of the surrounding Grimleal. This completely defeats the reason for Plegia to even still want the Emblem, since Future Grima is here and can just revive himself.
  • Grima reviving Validar in chapter 6. Not only is this never explained, mentioned, or used again, but it could've been done by having Validar play dead and slip away when everyone goes to check on Emm.

Main issue with those entries is that they seem a bit too complain-y. Any thoughts?

I haven't played the game, but I can tell the sub-bulleted entry violates indentation rules.

I've played the game and I can say that there's a legit example there, but it's buried under a lot of text and complaining.

The gist of it is this part:

The entire thing needs to be rewritten.

The second bullet isn't really an Ass Pull. I'd expect a godlike being with magical powers to be able to heal a guy who is near death.

Also, Ass Pull is wiki-worded incorrectly, but that's a minor note.

edited 26th May '17 3:00:11 PM by Karxrida

The thing is, I'm not sure if it's an Asspull considering that the only way they were able to use the "revive Grima with the life force of others instead of the Fire Emblem" is because the Grima from Lucina's world is present and able to kickstart the whole "sacrifice things" by themselves; maybe it's just me, but I took it to mean that had Alternate Grima not been there, the Grima of that world wouldn't have been able to revive itself. So while it does mean Validar ultimately didn't need the Fire Emblem, I'm not sure it counts as an asspull. Would like some second opinions on this.

From YMMV.Freckles:

Isn't it more some Fallacy / Logic thing? It's not about values but the implications of the logical chains being used?

edited 27th May '17 7:29:03 AM by Malady

Reposting from the previous page, so it doesn't get lost:

Are the following examples from Characters.Hulk being used correctly and/or have enough context?:

• Terse Talker: His Hulk form only spoke twice.
  Hulk: "Puny human!"
  Hulk: "TAKE IT ALL!"

• Disappeared Dad: Bruce Banner did not see David again until his adulthood.

• Hollywood Atheist: David believed religion "infected humanity's soul".

Also does the following example from the same page qualify as a notable aversion?:

• Anti-Hero: Averted. His seemingly senseless rampages in the labs and military bases throughout the film are all attempts to destroy the gamma research before they fall into the wrong hands. He overpowers soldiers but never attempts to kill them.

The "Grima resurrecting himself" one sounds more like a Voodoo Shark (An explanation intended to close a plothole closes that one but opens another one.) than an Ass Pull. The sub=point sounds like an actual asspull — it comes out of nowhere and is never mentioned again.

The Freckles one does fit Values Dissonance, because that was a widespread and widely-acceptable belief at the time the book was written.

The Hulk ones: the first three sound good. The last one, no; while Anti-hero is common, it's not so ubiquitous as to justify Aversions being listed.

edited 27th May '17 9:20:51 AM by Madrugada

I'd still like opinions about my post from the last page.

@Karxrida: I'd say that that is one of the, if not the, wordiest, longest Zero Context Example I've ever encountered. I wouldn't even comment it out. I'd straightaway cut it.

The trope is essentially: a pair or set of voice actors are not only pigeonholed individually, in that they tend to do the same type of character; they also are regularly cast together in the same works. (Voice actor Alice is almost always cast as a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. Voice Actor Bob is almost always cast as the male who falls for a MPDG. In a work with a MPDG, you're likely to find either [Alice and Bob] or neither of them. What you aren't likely to find is Alice without Bob or Bob without Alice.

All the example is is a list of voice actors who have worked on the same shows. Most of them don't mention what the pigeonholing is, or what they usual match-up is. That's the necessary context that's missing.

edited 27th May '17 11:37:15 PM by Madrugada

I cut everything, as instructed.

AndTheFandomRejoiced.Marvel Cinematic Universe's Guardians of the Galaxy folder has an entry related to Mission: Breakout, which seems like it should either go to the "Potential Future Series" folder, for not exactly coming from a GotG movie, or get deleted altogether, if it doesn't seem like concrete foreshadowing for future characters. Should I move it or cut it?

Is this an example of Captain Obvious, or is it Shaped Like Itself? This is talking about a guy called Suitcase Sam, by the way.

• The name of his business is literally Suitcase Sam's.

Does No Celebrities Were Harmed have to be obvious?

WhateleyUniverse.Tropes J To Z -

Reposting an earlier question for myself:

Someone added Reality Warping Is Not a Toy to Alice & Zoroku. I didn't think anything of it, and even added one of my own. But on taking a closer look at the trope's description, I question they're actually an example.

As it was added on Alice & Zoroku itself (my entry is the bottom one):

• Reality Warping Is Not a Toy:
  • A point Zoroku makes explicitly clear for Sana or any other Dreams of Alice girls he sees recklessly use their power, taking time to lecture them thoroughly in the process.
  • Episode six has Zoroku nagging Sana for using her powers for every little thing. This later causes Sana not to use them when she gets lost. This prompts Zoroku to explain he's not against her using her powers, but does want her to use them wisely and not become reliant on them.

My intended entry to use as a Crosswick, written to try and fit with the page definition (though not entered yet, partly because I forgot about it...):

• In Alice & Zoroku, there are only two known adult users of "Dreams of Alice". The rest are children. This causes problems due to their not considering the consequences of their actions. In the first episode this results in a chase between Sana and twin sisters trying to re-capture her for the research facility that studies them and a lot of collateral damage. Zoroku makes it very plain to all three girls that they're lucky their "nonsensical game of tag" didn't get somebody killed. Later, when Zoroku is caring for Sana, he's strict about her using her powers not because he doesn't want her using them, but because he doesn't want her relying on them and wants her to learn to use them wisely.

Is this an example of Shocking Swerve?

• Blue Zircon in the middle of her defense plea points out how could Rose Quartz have shattered Pink Diamond. Where was her army? Where was her Pearl? Even Steven admits that it is pretty bizarre. Only an inside person could have gotten close enough to Pink to assassinate her without the others sounding the alarm.

Honestly, without having yet seen the episode (is it even officially out yet? If not the entry shouldn't be there on that principle alone) as written it sounds more like The Reveal, at best, Fridge Logic at worst.

Edit: The entry should probably note just who that inside person could've been (one of the other Diamonds) to really make for a swerve. That said, this doesn't seem to be the nonsensical twist the trope describes

edited 29th May '17 9:37:14 PM by sgamer82

Found some more Relationship Voice Actor examples on Trivia.Fire Emblem Gaiden that are in the same vein of the ones I posted earlier.

Delete?

Does this description of a fighter who fought a supernatural being fit a Badass Normal? I'm thinking the angelic ancestry might disqualify him?

• Dungeon Keeper Ami:
  Leopold seemed to hesitate, but Ami couldn't tell whether it was because he was collecting his thoughts or actively resisting the mind-control. His projecting moustache quivered as he spoke. "A combination of factors. A body steeled by over thirty years of daily training, the experience to read the monster's moves and the reflexes to act on this information. Natural speed and strength inherited from an angelic ancestor far up the family tree, and unsurpassed adamantine equipment enhancing these attributes even more."

edited 30th May '17 7:50:31 AM by Malady

Yeah, I'd say that disqualifies him, since that's explicitly mentioned as one of the reasons.

Is this amount of distortion too much for Real Name as an Alias, and presumably, would be Sue Donym instead?

edited 31st May '17 9:16:22 AM by Malady

I'm not sure how much distortion is allowed for Real Name as an Alias. The description would suggest zero, but the actual examples often use some distortion.

- If there's any distortion at all, then it's a downplayed Sue Donym, so I'd say there should be no distortion so the tropes have separation instead of the inevitable The Same, but More Specific it would turn into.

Is the following example a true Bile Fascination example, a No Such Thing as Bad Publicity example or an example of both? The example in question:

• Bile Fascination: The episodes in which Ash loses a League, particularity the Kalos League, gained this reputation by the curiosity of the Internet Backdraft generated by them.

The Examples Are Not Arguable language made me a bit wary of this one. Is it an example of Elemental Punch? (Yang from RWBY; Ember Celica is her pair of gauntlet guns that she wears on her wrists.)

• Elemental Punch: Not actually used, but nonetheless, Yang likes punching things while shooting off Ember Celica (which gives off vibrant red and slightly yellow muzzle flashes) that makes it look a lot like she's doing this.this with fire.

So it is just a glowing punch similar to this?

I would think a glowing punch is a different trope in of itself.

Anyway on Persona 4: Shadows and Personas it lists Takehaya Susano as having Elemental Hair, which his hair is a huge afro made of fire, however that trope is about matching the element used he uses wind instead of fire. There is a different fire user in the cast. still an example?

edited 1st Jun '17 5:54:55 PM by Memers