Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Why are you asking that when all three have no RL sections?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
I noticed that Became Their Own Antithesis has a Real Life section that, while for the most part has examples that I don't think are too problematic due to being too broad and too general, has three examples that could be potential Flame Bait by virtue of being about specific people (and the people themselves): Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, and recently-elected UK Prime Minister Liz Truss. I'll put the examples here:
- Fred Phelps, the late pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church and infamous homophobe, was originally a civil rights attorney back in The '70s. Why he changed is a mystery, but had he died way back then, he likely would be regarded as a hero today. His estranged son stated he did it simply for money as a lawyer though, not any conviction. Phelps was disbarred for a blatant Frivolous Lawsuit against a court clerk who he felt had wronged him. Generally, Phelps was a contrarian by heart and always wanted to get everyone mad at him... whenever it was being a Civil Rights lawyer in a heavily-racist Deep South or a homophobic cult leader in an era where the LGBTQ are becoming accepted. The Phelps clan also held very harrassing protests at the funerals of slain soldiers, too.
- Another cult leader, Jim Jones of The Peoples Temple (and the famous mass-murder / suicides in his settlement, Jonestown, Guyana) basically became like this. Jones and his organization had an integrated but predominantly black following and preached and worked for social justice and social equality... yet Jones, a white man, ran the whole thing like a despot and ran Jonestown like a slave plantation.
- When she was growing up, Liz Truss, the incoming Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, was an outspoken Liberal Democrat, serving as president of Oxford University's Liberal Democrats. During a 1994 conference, she went as far as arguing in favor of abolishing the British monarchy. Since her graduation in 1996, however, she's served as a diehard Tory with firmly right-wing views.
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Honestly I think the whole section can go. Those three are ROCEJ violations and everything else is too vague or nattery to be of any use.
How sweet it is
Another case of potentially too common: The Cobbler's Children Have No Shoes. Plenty of general examples in there.
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Before my suspension, I added Impossibly Cool Weapon to Impossible in Real Life without approval. However, I bet that most of you agree that this trope qualifies, based on the very definition. If not, we can undo that or have a discussion.
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 7th 2022 at 2:43:32 PM
Honestly I think the Cobbler's Children Have No Shoes RL section is fine. I don't think I'd cut anything.
Impossibly Cool Weapon is one of those tropes where the definition doesn't give me bad NRLEP red flags and it's not attracting misuse, so I'm inclined to not crowner.
I'm guessing that means I should leave it.
How sweet it is
Okay, just want to make sure.
I have also been thinking about discussing World's Most Beautiful Woman for NRLEP because I feel like this trope is gossipy. What do the rest you think?
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 7th 2022 at 3:33:30 PM
eh, i think it'd be alright with just a cleanup. there's a lot of general examples, but also a lot of historical ones that seem fine to me.
I have also thought about discussing Genius Slob for NRLEP because I feel like it's stereotypical.
Alright, I'll cut Became Their Own Antithesis's section then. Should it be nominated for NRLEP too?
i think a good example that doesn't violate ROCEJ could possibly exist... but i can't think of any, so idk. could go either way.
Edited by ChloeJessica on Sep 7th 2022 at 10:10:05 AM
I am also considering to nominate Red Is Heroic as a candidate for NRLEP due to being a morality trope.
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 7th 2022 at 8:26:01 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Since there are already 15 properly discussed crowner entries, I kind of wonder if the current crowner will be short-lived. At least the one-week mark for the most recently added entry is this Saturday.
Edit: I double-checked and if that specific entry's ratio doesn't change by Saturday, it'll have to be delayed by two days.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 7th 2022 at 5:02:09 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
i still think we should find some way to speed up the voting process without making it more partisan, but im not sure what the best way is.
e: also, we've got three more tropes on track to be called KRLE with no discussion on why the arguments for cutting aren't sufficient.
Edited by ChloeJessica on Sep 7th 2022 at 3:01:45 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If the Wiki Talk thread regarding crowner ratios decides to lower the ratio for what counts as a supermajority, that's the only way I can think of.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Plakis Morakis
Cleaned up the Why We Can't Have Nice Things RL section as per the discussion about two pages ago.
Welcome to Ideal's World
So should I clean up World's Most Beautiful Woman?
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 8th 2022 at 3:19:02 PM
I am bringing up Big Ol' Eyebrows for discussion because I believe this trope is too common.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think it should be taken to TRS because I don't think it's a trope at all.
I can't believe such a massive and omnipresent trope such as Anti-Hero hasn't been brought up for NRLEP yet.
I don't see a RL section on Anti-Hero.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
It's a narrative trope that somehow isn't NRLEP for being a narrative trope. There aren't any problems with it right now, as you said, but I don't know if that will remain the case. Idc what we do with it rn.
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I think a Useful Notes page on the origins of the term is helpful. Then we can leave the trope page for nothing but fictional examples of the trope in use.
I was mentioning that Laconic.Banana Republic says simply "fictional".
That said, the other national stereotypes I mentioned (Ruritania, Bulungi, and Qurac) do also come from Truth in Television controversial aspects of their society - Central European countries do have a lot of poverty and lingering resentments from WWII or the Cold War, Sub-Saharan African countries do have a lot of political instability and thick rainforests, Middle Eastern countries have massive wealth divides between the rich oil sheiks and everyone else, and in particularly Islamic extremist areas can be incredibly misogynistic. Would you say, then, that these three tropes should have their NRLEP status removed?
Edited by MissConduct on Sep 6th 2022 at 10:20:55 AM