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This thread is for general discussion of page quotes, whether to change, move or remove them.

Unused quotes should be put on a Quotes Wiki page (just replace the namespace in the URL of the wiki page you are making a quotes page for with Quotes/) or, if they don't have an article, on Quotes Looking for an Article.

edited 19th Apr '14 7:57:06 AM by Madrugada

Adept from Online Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Aug 16th 2019 at 9:09:40 AM

Bringing this up again, because I'm not leaving it unfinished, but we have near-duplicate quotes in Little Sister Heroine and Brother–Sister Incest, and both of them allude to bad writing and therefore complaining (not that I disagree, but that's neither here nor there).

Alternative suggestions, for Brother–Sister Incest (from the quotes subpage):

Rimmer: Well, I'd have thought it was obvious. Two people, unable to contain their desires, had an illicit liaison. A liaison that an unforgiving society would not accept. And you were the fruit of their forbidden passion. You're forbidden passion fruit.
Lister: What are you saying?
Rimmer: I'm saying, Lister, that there's a very real possibility that your parents were brother and sister.
Red Dwarf, "The Last Day"
^ The page is currently under administrative lock, though.

For Little Sister Heroine, from A Sisters All You Need:

Kaiko Mikuniyama: The elegant little sisters should be wearing underwear worthy for girlfriends!
Itsuki Hashima: You fool! [...] Saying that a filthy little piece of cloth should hinder the holy nude body of a little sister is outrageous! Little sisters are the most beautiful when they are in their natural state.

^ It's somewhat lewd, but I suppose that's an inevitable part of the trope, considering this is a common staple in Ecchi Harem Genre...

Aug 17th 2019 at 3:38:21 AM

The page quote for Canon Discontinuity was added by frequent ban-evader Johnnyfog. So which of the quotes on the quotes page would make an acceptable substitution.

wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Aug 17th 2019 at 5:09:23 AM

A lot of those quotes aren't even the trope... Of those, I vote either the TFWiki or Spoony quotes.

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
Aug 17th 2019 at 9:59:45 AM

[up]I've replaced it with the TFWiki quote.

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
Aug 19th 2019 at 7:27:02 AM

I have a couple of suggestion quotes from Superman: Red Son. One for Armor-Piercing Question, the other for Talking the Monster to Death.

"What am I doing? Well, they say the pen is mightier than the sword, Lois, so I'm distilling everything Superman hates and fears about himself into a single sentence. He might shrug off a nuclear strike, but I guarantee this is going to strike that flameproof heart of his."

"I couldn't allow him to debate with you, Superman. Entering a conversation with a Level Nine Intelligence is more dangerous than any death trap. My calculations were that he could have talked you into suicide within fourteen minutes."

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Aug 19th 2019 at 3:27:19 PM

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Aug 19th 2019 at 8:37:36 AM

Anti-Humor has another unsourced quotes. But on the other hand, Jokes rarely have a definite source... so what to do with this page?

WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Aug 19th 2019 at 11:20:22 AM

I know the quote on Rocky Roll Call is the trope namer, but do we need the whole thing? It's very long.

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Aug 19th 2019 at 4:09:10 PM

[up][up][up] I'd say go with the first one. It works better out of context than the second one.

[up][up] I think I prefer the Monty Python one, for the lampshade. All the other options are just various anti-jokes.

Mr. Praline: [placing the parrot's cage on the counter] It's dead, that's what's wrong with it.
Shopkeeper: [looks at the parrot] So it is. 'Ere's your money back and a couple of holiday vouchers.
[audience goes wild]
Mr. Praline: [looking completely flabbergasted] Well, you can't say Thatcher hasn't changed some things.

[up] I'd prefer no quote at all to that one.


Only in It for the Money is kind of a weird Screw the Money, I Have Rules! Bait-and-Switch. I'd prefer this one, but there are a lot of options:

"This mission doesn't sound like good business... but your Illusive Man can move a lot of credits."
Zaeed, Mass Effect 2

Jester_Punslinger I fight for a "Jest" cause from Somewhere back in time. Relationship Status: Non-Canon
I fight for a "Jest" cause
Aug 19th 2019 at 6:40:24 PM

[up] Yea the current quote has potholes which I thought weren't allowed. The one you suggested would make a decent replacement.


So the trope Cosmic Flaw just launched and I thought I had a good page quote for it. Though on suitability? I won't add until I get some feedback.

"I GAVE YOUR WHOLE UNIVERSE CANCER"
Karkat Vantas, Homestuck

[down] I'm in agreement that it should no longer be the page quote, but there should be somewhere It'll fit. May I make the suggestion that the new be one of the linkara quotes on the quote page?

Edited by Jester_Punslinger on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:09:00 PM

The Rosers were red. The Drownies are blue. I know What the Thunder Said. Do you?
Aug 19th 2019 at 9:01:55 PM

The page quote from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot.

"It's Superman fighting twin clones of Hitler! HOW DO YOU SCREW THAT UP?!"

Unless anyone objects, intend to remove it since it's misuse. It's about unutilized plots, not poorly handled ones like this.

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
Aug 20th 2019 at 12:16:21 AM

So does anyone have any objections to changing the page quote for Armor-Piercing Question?

[up]I have a better idea for a replacement TWAPGP page quote. This one's also from the quote page but is easily transferred and makes sense even if you haven't seen the movie in question.

Here's one of the best original premises for a suspense thriller in years — an annual holiday where, for one night, everyone is allowed to do any evil, sick, depraved, degenerate, perverted, vile thing they want, without fear of being arrested or even prevented — unforgivably wasted by a weak, witless movie that takes this great idea... and then does nothing with it!

Adept from Online Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Aug 20th 2019 at 3:12:03 AM

Unless anyone objects, intend to remove it since it's misuse. It's about unutilized plots, not poorly handled ones like this.

Huh. I thought poorly handled plot is the trope's definition. Unused plot points is covered by Aborted Arc. Although, I think this quote from the subpage is a better alternative:

Remember—if it sounds like a good idea, Charmed will find a way to make it stupid.
Running Gag in Allison Pregler's reviews of Charmed

Edited by Adept on Aug 20th 2019 at 8:13:03 PM

Aug 20th 2019 at 10:13:29 AM

[up]No, it unutilized plot points, per Square Peg, Round Trope:

Aborted Arc is utilized but unfinished plots. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot means it doesn't even get utilized enough to be aborted (bad handling).

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 20th 2019 at 10:28:13 AM

Aug 20th 2019 at 4:10:21 PM

[up][up][up]It comes across as complaining. It's not explaining what's meant by 'doing nothing with it'. That quote is a common style of misuse for the trope, where people say something was a great concept but the creators did nothing with it when they really mean that the outcome wasn't something they liked.

I don't know what to suggest as a better quote, but I think that one reads as complaining and will contribute to trope misuse.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:12:46 PM

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MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
Aug 20th 2019 at 9:53:30 PM

[up] Well FTR, The Purge squandering its premise is actually a widely-agreed upon thing. Even if it's complaining, I don't see how it's possible not to be when complaining is baked into the reaction at the centre of this trope? Even so I have this second quote (which can be filled in further if needed) from the same source if it means that much to you.

The United States government has been overtaken by a vaguely defined and, in the first of multiple cowardly copouts, politically indiscernible faction known as the New Founding Fathers, whose signature legislation is called, well, the Purge. For one twelve-hour period one day out of the year, everything is legal. (...) As the film opens, we're told that the Purge is considered a huge success, and that giving nearly everyone a yearly free pass to get their various rocks off has creating a thriving economy and a stable, safe society otherwise. The possibilities in this are damn-near endless just based on the many questions the premise raises on its base. (...) Are hackers and black marketers doing all their work during the purge? Do small tier retail stores no longer exist because only big retailers can afford the private armies necessary to keep their inventory safe? Would this not be the perfect moment for a foreign army or a terrorist cell to attack the United States? Is Las Vegas taking odds on everything? Are scientists getting together to conduct all of the banned research they can in the twelve hours? And yet amidst all these questions it opens up for exploration, the film only chooses to focus on one: What happens... When an army of masked psychopaths attacks your home. (...) Yes, the film chooses to take one of the most fertile pitches I've seen in years and uses it to make a movie where they don't even have to come up with a reason for why they don't call the cops.

Adept from Online Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Aug 21st 2019 at 3:16:35 AM

[up][up][up]Well, the actual trope page does define itself as: "a story that you really would have liked to see to its conclusion, but either a) it's on a whole different set of rails now, or b) while you do see it to its conclusion, it ignores the intriguing possibilities you'd hoped to see."

So I can get how many people understand it as "a story with an interesting premise, but with botched execution." Not to mention, the Laconic seem to support that interpretation.

Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Aug 21st 2019 at 4:37:40 AM

Adaptational Self-Defense's quote is a remnant fir when it was The Dog Shot First. Does anyone else think it's misuse?

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Adept from Online Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Aug 21st 2019 at 6:51:20 AM

[up][up]This seems to be the best quote to describe Adaptational Self-Defense:

"I was hoping you'd fire first. Keeps me on the moral high ground for when I do this."
Cable, Cable & Deadpool

It's a bit weak on describing the "adaptational" part, but all the other alternatives is referring to the Trope Namer, or at least parodying it.

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Aug 21st 2019 at 9:03:09 AM

I have said for years that They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot (and the character equivalent) is, in practice, just pure complaining that gets applied to anything people feel like. This whole line of discussion about what it's actually supposed to mean is not changing that view.

Aug 22nd 2019 at 1:34:59 PM

Benevolent Conspiracy has an ambiguous quote that's fairly clear on the fact that it's referring to some kind of conspiracy, but not clear on whether or not it's benevolent.

We are the Invisible Hand. We are the Illuminati.
We come before and after. We are forever.
And eventually... eventually, we will lead them into the day.
Morgan Everett, Deus Ex

The Quotes page only has a single quote, which is clear about the benevolence, but is not clear on whether or not it classifies as a 'conspiracy'. Without context, it could be a quote about an organisation that functions in the light of day and it would still make sense.

It is important that you remember this. It is your second lesson. The Foundation does not rule the world. The Foundation serves the world. Do you understand what that means? Regardless of what the general population might think it wants, what we do, what the Foundation does, is in the overall best interests of that general population.

I do have an alternative suggestion, which is clear on the fact that it's both a shadowy organisation and that its goal is benevolent:

Despite what the world thinks, we're not just teachers or generals or headmasters. The people in this room? The leaders of the other two Academies? We're the ones that keep the world safe from the evils no-one even knows about. It's why we meet behind closed doors — why we work in the shadows.
Qrow Branwen, RWBY

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Crossover-Enthusiast Emotional Cool Dude from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Emotional Cool Dude
Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:28:50 AM

Chronicles Of The Gods has two quotes. I like Red's more, if that means anything.

I'd cry too if my name was Suck
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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Aug 23rd 2019 at 2:16:43 AM

Final call for objections to me changing the page quote for Armor-Piercing Question. If none are raised within the next several hours I'll swap it out. Also if anyone has any objections to me changing the page quote for Talking the Monster to Death I'm still willing to hear them.

Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:24:37 AM

[up] My problem with your quote for Armor-Piercing Question is that it doesn't actually imply what Luthor is writing is specifically a question, and that's sort of important.

Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:50:15 AM

Chronicles Of The Gods has two quotes. I like Red's more, if that means anything.

I prefer that one, too.

Final call for objections to me changing the page quote for Armor-Piercing Question. If none are raised within the next several hours I'll swap it out.

Your suggestion isn't Armour-Piercing Question. And, if the trope is in action in the scene that quote comes from, it's failing to capture it.

Looking through the page, something like this might be better.

Lily: Every time I think I'm getting closer to you, you do something stupid, or foolish, and I catch just a glimpse of what you must have been like before you got kicked out of med school.
Kyle: I was an addict back then, I was using!
Lily: "Back then?" ...what's your excuse now?
Kyle: (Stunned Silence, mouth agape)

Also if anyone has any objections to me changing the page quote for Talking the Monster to Death I'm still willing to hear them.

That quote doesn't look like the trope at all.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:23:55 PM

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