General Page Quote Discussion:

Bringing this up again, because I'm not leaving it unfinished, but we have near-duplicate quotes in Little Sister Heroine and Brother–Sister Incest, and both of them allude to bad writing and therefore complaining (not that I disagree, but that's neither here nor there).

Alternative suggestions, for Brother–Sister Incest (from the quotes subpage):

^ The page is currently under administrative lock, though.

For Little Sister Heroine, from A Sisters All You Need:

^ It's somewhat lewd, but I suppose that's an inevitable part of the trope, considering this is a common staple in Ecchi Harem Genre...

Edited by Adept on Oct 2nd 2019 at 7:06:11 PM

The page quote for Canon Discontinuity was added by frequent ban-evader Johnnyfog. So which of the quotes on the quotes page would make an acceptable substitution.

A lot of those quotes aren't even the trope... Of those, I vote either the TFWiki or Spoony quotes.

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I've replaced it with the TFWiki quote.

I have a couple of suggestion quotes from Superman: Red Son. One for Armor-Piercing Question, the other for Talking the Monster to Death.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Aug 19th 2019 at 3:27:19 PM

Anti-Humor has another unsourced quotes. But on the other hand, Jokes rarely have a definite source... so what to do with this page?

I know the quote on Rocky Roll Call is the trope namer, but do we need the whole thing? It's very long.

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I'd say go with the first one. It works better out of context than the second one.

I think I prefer the Monty Python one, for the lampshade. All the other options are just various anti-jokes.

I'd prefer no quote at all to that one.

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Only in It for the Money is kind of a weird Screw the Money, I Have Rules! Bait-and-Switch. I'd prefer this one, but there are a lot of options:

Yea the current quote has potholes which I thought weren't allowed. The one you suggested would make a decent replacement.

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So the trope Cosmic Flaw just launched and I thought I had a good page quote for it. Though on suitability? I won't add until I get some feedback.

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I'm in agreement that it should no longer be the page quote, but there should be somewhere It'll fit. May I make the suggestion that the new be one of the linkara quotes on the quote page?

Edited by Jester_Punslinger on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:09:00 PM

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The page quote from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot.

Unless anyone objects, intend to remove it since it's misuse. It's about unutilized plots, not poorly handled ones like this.

So does anyone have any objections to changing the page quote for Armor-Piercing Question?

I have a better idea for a replacement TWAPGP page quote. This one's also from the quote page but is easily transferred and makes sense even if you haven't seen the movie in question.

Huh. I thought poorly handled plot is the trope's definition. Unused plot points is covered by Aborted Arc. Although, I think this quote from the subpage is a better alternative:

Edited by Adept on Aug 20th 2019 at 8:13:03 PM

No, it unutilized plot points, per Square Peg Round Trope:

• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, for plot points that are underdeveloped or not touched upon, has been reinterpreted into complaining about plot developments you don't like or leaving a plot thread hanging, or What Could Have Been.

Aborted Arc is utilized but unfinished plots. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot means it doesn't even get utilized enough to be aborted (bad handling).

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 20th 2019 at 10:28:13 AM

It comes across as complaining. It's not explaining what's meant by 'doing nothing with it'. That quote is a common style of misuse for the trope, where people say something was a great concept but the creators did nothing with it when they really mean that the outcome wasn't something they liked.

I don't know what to suggest as a better quote, but I think that one reads as complaining and will contribute to trope misuse.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:12:46 PM

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Well FTR, The Purge squandering its premise is actually a widely-agreed upon thing. Even if it's complaining, I don't see how it's possible not to be when complaining is baked into the reaction at the centre of this trope? Even so I have this second quote (which can be filled in further if needed) from the same source if it means that much to you.

The United States government has been overtaken by a vaguely defined and, in the first of multiple cowardly copouts, politically indiscernible faction known as the New Founding Fathers, whose signature legislation is called, well, the Purge. For one twelve-hour period one day out of the year, everything is legal. (...) As the film opens, we're told that the Purge is considered a huge success, and that giving nearly everyone a yearly free pass to get their various rocks off has creating a thriving economy and a stable, safe society otherwise. The possibilities in this are damn-near endless just based on the many questions the premise raises on its base. (...) Are hackers and black marketers doing all their work during the purge? Do small tier retail stores no longer exist because only big retailers can afford the private armies necessary to keep their inventory safe? Would this not be the perfect moment for a foreign army or a terrorist cell to attack the United States? Is Las Vegas taking odds on everything? Are scientists getting together to conduct all of the banned research they can in the twelve hours? And yet amidst all these questions it opens up for exploration, the film only chooses to focus on one: What happens... When an army of masked psychopaths attacks your home. (...) Yes, the film chooses to take one of the most fertile pitches I've seen in years and uses it to make a movie where they don't even have to come up with a reason for why they don't call the cops.

Well, the actual trope page does define itself as: "a story that you really would have liked to see to its conclusion, but either a) it's on a whole different set of rails now, or b) while you do see it to its conclusion, it ignores the intriguing possibilities you'd hoped to see."

So I can get how many people understand it as "a story with an interesting premise, but with botched execution." Not to mention, the Laconic seem to support that interpretation.

Adaptational Self-Defense's quote is a remnant fir when it was The Dog Shot First. Does anyone else think it's misuse?

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This seems to be the best quote to describe Adaptational Self-Defense:

It's a bit weak on describing the "adaptational" part, but all the other alternatives is referring to the Trope Namer, or at least parodying it.

I have said for years that They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot (and the character equivalent) is, in practice, just pure complaining that gets applied to anything people feel like. This whole line of discussion about what it's actually supposed to mean is not changing that view.

Benevolent Conspiracy has an ambiguous quote that's fairly clear on the fact that it's referring to some kind of conspiracy, but not clear on whether or not it's benevolent.

The Quotes page only has a single quote, which is clear about the benevolence, but is not clear on whether or not it classifies as a 'conspiracy'. Without context, it could be a quote about an organisation that functions in the light of day and it would still make sense.

I do have an alternative suggestion, which is clear on the fact that it's both a shadowy organisation and that its goal is benevolent:

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Chronicles of the Gods has two quotes. I like Red's more, if that means anything.

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Final call for objections to me changing the page quote for Armor-Piercing Question. If none are raised within the next several hours I'll swap it out. Also if anyone has any objections to me changing the page quote for Talking the Monster to Death I'm still willing to hear them.

My problem with your quote for Armor-Piercing Question is that it doesn't actually imply what Luthor is writing is specifically a question, and that's sort of important.

I prefer that one, too.

Your suggestion isn't Armour-Piercing Question. And, if the trope is in action in the scene that quote comes from, it's failing to capture it.

Looking through the page, something like this might be better.

That quote doesn't look like the trope at all.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:23:55 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.