- Assuming that Team Charm's special episode takes place a fair ways into the past (say, a decade or so; they're not yet famous, and Wigglytuff's still exploring solo), then no, Bidoof's wish can't be it, because Darkrai had already taken the Time Gears from the Temporal Tower by that point (quite the slow-acting plan, by all implications), and Bidoof's spent maybe a few months at the guild (at most) before the story starts.
- So Bidoof actually saved the world?
- You're forgetting that time travel is involved in this game.
- No, I'm not, but where are you going with this? The Time Gears were already established as not to be removed from the areas Darkrai hid them in by that episode, I don't think rumors like that spread through time travel, just good ol' word-of-mouth.
- For one thing, it is never explicitly stated that Darkrai stole the time gears from Temporal Tower. If removing the time gears from Temporal Tower was directly responsible for bringing down the tower, then Dialga must have been okay with them being gone during his gradual descent into insanity. (It is speculated by many that the gears are okay being hidden around the world, that placing them back into the tower is simply a fail-safe mechanism in case Dialga loses control for whatever reason, which was needed after Darkrai sabotaged the tower.) For another thing, Darkrai travels through time. Upon awaking he could have warped into the past to begin his scheme long ago, creating a Stable Time Loop.
- There is nothing hinting that the "return the time gears to the Tower" thing is a mere failsafe; certainly the way Grovyle kept talking about it implies that the Tower is the gears' original location.
- Considering the Time gears are implied to regulate the flow of time in the specific region they're in, it doesn't seem likely that Darkrai stole them to destabilize the tower. This is only helped along by the fact that removing one stops time in that area, which, if the "Stolen by Darkrai" theory were true, should not occur.
- I think the time gears regulate time (as time did go out of control in the area around where it was kept once it was removed) but the failsafe at Temporal Tower resets that. Or, perhaps Darkrai might try to destroy a time gear and they were hidden so the failsafe could be turned on.
- Well, going off the being barred from official guild expeditions point... I'm pretty sure Chatot actually referred to your recruits as not being guild members. So I'd say that this guess is actually pretty close to canon.
- The Marowak Dojo's backstory folds nicely into this: the original owner had to close up shop because he couldn't afford it any longer. After the Wigglytuff Guild was formed and he started supporting the other shops, Marowak was able to ask for financial support and reestablish it.
- Jossed. They're just fine in Super.
- Perhaps Mewtwo helped.
- Alternately, Ho-oh did it, gifting some random - or maybe not-so-random - set of bones life and additional abilities (ie the Dimensional Scream), like how he revived the Legendary Beasts.
- It's probably something along the lines of "Nonfluent: This Pokemon can't understand a word anyone else is saying."
- Which would suggest that the PC could converse with Grovyle even before being transformed.
- Well, there was that flashback/dimensional scream at the Groudon statue.
- Does this mean that N, who could understand Pokemon, has the Dimensional Scream ability?
- Which would suggest that the PC could converse with Grovyle even before being transformed.
- Perhaps it's a Hidden Ability.
- Why is this thing in the WMG page in the first place?! It's already established that Primal Dialga was under control from someone else, though I remember the culprit to be Darkrai, and Dusknoir the mercenary that Darkrai hired indirectly through Primal Dialga.
- I'm pretty sure the "relying completely on instinct" bit was also established in the game.
However, in the Bad Future, everything is dangerous — there's no relatively "easy" way to avoid peril. Dangerous Pokemon are running wild, time itself has gone insane, the only order imposed on this world comes from evil minions... and all this was sparked off by Temporal Tower's degradation. Therefore, the "simplest" solution is far from simple: fixing the problem in the past. And for that, they need the Time Gears. Thus, every vision in the future is linked to the Time Gears, as that's what is needed to save the world. The Dimensional Scream doesn't offer information on any other options because it can't see any.
- In addition, based on his near-loving obsession with the sea, Dugtrio is Mako Tsunami. Probably the abridged version. He even claims the sea can talk at one point (saying it wishes the hero and partner good luck).
- Maybe it's because he's voiced by DAN GREEN!!!
- Well he never said that he was male so...
- No, it's a he. I'm pretty sure he's referred to as a 'young boy' right at the beginning of the episode.
- Why wouldn't you just assume he's a kid? Not only does Chatot call the main characters kids when they try to join, ALL the Pokemon anime heroes are kids! Of course he sounds like a girl!
- Well he never said that he was male so...
- Makes sense since time began flowing when Dialga was born and continues to flow when his heart beats. Therefore, time would probably end if he were to die.
- Magnezone has assumed this was canon from the get-go. Imagine her confusion finding such a thing on WMG alongside wonders like Grovyle = Yami Yugi...
- Ironically, I was the one who wrote that Yami Yugi one...but I was just being funny. Anyway, to expand on and correct this theory, the player's disappearance could have actually been the result of a timeline change. However, the player character didn't cause this. Darkrai had been manipulating Primal Dialga into erasing the PC and Grovyle from the timeline.
- But that opens up the question of how the player disappeared, and why the characters all assumed time travel even when the presumed time travelers implicitly did plenty of research.
In order to prevent time from completely collapsing, Dialga permitted the Time Gears being removed from Temporal Tower and strategically hidden in the regions hit the worst by time's decay. This stabilized time as a stop-gap measure, but it would take centuries for the lands to heal. Thus, Dialga left them where they were, figuring this arrangement would be fine for a few centuries or so — Temporal Tower wasn't in any danger, standing strong and proud. So long as all Pokemon knew that disaster would befall them if anything happened to the Time Gears, it'd work out just fine, right?
Of course, this also gave the scheming villain plenty of time to work with these arrangements... Over the centuries, they gradually undermined Dialga's plan, ever-so-slowly chipping away at the stability of time and Temporal Tower. These changes were so subtle and minute that they were effectively Gaslighting Dialga; that, combined with the slow-but-steady decline of Temporal Tower, eventually left Dialga in a state of ever-growing madness. Thus, he was in no position to counter the enemy or stop the next phases of their plan... naturally leading to the events of Explorers.
- Mew are supposedly the ancestors of all Pokemon. Arceus makes more sense anyway, or perhaps there's a legendary in charge of evolution we aren't aware of yet.
- In the debug menu, Jirachi is the pokemon that acts as the voice for Luminous Spring. What does that say?
- What? Mew is the Ancestor, Arceus is the Creator God, what's the confusion? Ancestor means, '[Being] from which [Blank] is descended from', The only beings descended from Arceus are the Dragon Trio and the Lake Trio... Unless Game Freak makes some other stuff. Mew is just the first Mortal Pokemon, like Adam and Lilith/Eve are to Humans, it's not a god or anything.
- I just assumed that the "kid" epithet was more due to their rookie status.
- Really? Because I'm sure 90% of Pokemon's main protagonists are kids around 10-13. Plus, well, let's just say "Manchild" seems very unlikely. It's not unreasonable to think "kid" means, well....kid.
- If you look at it another way... perhaps Bidoof's wish caused the partner to suddenly exist when it hadn't before. Since the partner has no family, of course they're an orphan!
- It is also relevant that the partner knew how to sneak through town without being noticed, and that the town members didn't really know them before the beginning of the story. They also have a secret house in the mountain, with steps and all. I personally believe that the partner was born/hatched (or whatever) there, and the parents died while they were very young. This is what allows them to form such a strong bond with the playable character so fast as grovile said. They also cling to their relic fragment and their dream of being an explorer to give some meaning to an otherwise meaningless life.
- That makes so much sense. They even look alike!
- Or he's Macho Man Randy Savage in Pokémon form.
- Um... about that...
- So... why doesn't Dusknoir have Duskull's Verbal Tic?
- This is because he decides to drop it between the time of the main plot of time/darkness/sky and the dark future that's ruled by Dialga.
- I'm pretty sure there are Dusclops in one of the dungeons in the future, so Dusknoir could easily just have evolved from one of them.
That's why he makes such stupid, snap decisions all the time — for all the responsibility he holds, he's still Just a Kid.
- And in Explorers of Sky, your partner can be a Shinx... no wonder the Manectric tribe doesn't believe you!
- To Add to this theory, The Horrible Misunderstanding was caused by Darkrai.
Now, in the future, time has stopped, so one of these 'fields' is as good as nonexistent.However, the locations of the Time Gears are essential for the continued flow of time,right? So maybe these locations were some sort of 'focus points', where time ranespecially strongly in the past; in the future, however, they might be the only placewhere residues of 'Time' can be found (as I said, I'm talking about time as some sort offield or energy). That is why, in the future, only places related to the Time Gears causedthe Dimensional Scream.
In the past, however, time still flows everywhere. As such, the Dimensional Scream can betriggered not only near Time Gears, but also in totally unrelated locations.
- I'm sure the game states at some point that there are only five Time Gears. One in Treeshroud Forest, one at each lake, and one at that place that appears in one of the sky extra missions. See the entry below.
- Actually, there was another one that was shown to be inside a volcano, but it was never seen in the game, only in a cutscene. If Mt. Bristle is a volcano that hasn't erupted for years, it could explain where that Time Gear was.
- Also, I thought it was never stated that there were only five, just that there were at least five. I think Grovyle even said he had all the "necessary" ones, not specifically all of them. So it is possible that there could be a Time Gear hidden in Mt. Bristle.
- Grovyle does say he has all the "necessary" Time Gears, which seems to support this. It would be an odd wording choice if there were literally only five.
- Confirmed as of Super (though Koffing is dickish enough to throw you a Monster House during his mission).
- What about Dusknoir, then? And there are other evolved Pokémon in the future dungeons, too, IIRC.
Explorers of Sky simply refers to the mission in Shaymin Village, newly added in the remake.
- I thought it was obvious, why is this in WMG?
- Supported by Super, which has separate recruitment for gender differences but has no shinies other than Explorers Celebi. The non-shiny Celebi is addressed as male, to top it off.
- Consider this: We know from the dimensional scream, the player and the Grovyle had visited the Fogbound lake in the future. Now why would they need to go there? If they are simply wanted to change the past, there's no need. Unless they were trying to take time gears in the future...
- Another thing to consider: Why would they need to change the past anyway, instead of just fixing the Temporal Tower in the future? Changing the past is basically erasing themselves from history. Unless, they were really desperate and had no choice...
- Another question: The human had dimensional scream, yes, but still, to travel alone with just two companions in the future is dangerous. The human was either a Badass, or he was originally wasn't alone.
- Conclusion: The human and his partners had tried before, and failed badly.
- It was like this: In the dark future, there was a human who had Dimensional Scream ability. Knowing he was the only one who can save the world, he went on adventures to collect the time gears and returned the Temporal Tower back to normal. Of course he wasn't alone, he had several pokemon partners accompanying him, including Grovyle.
- However, he failed badly. Either the Temporal Tower was beyond repair or the time gears in the future were broken; and then he was defeated by either Primal Dialga and/or Dusknoir and his army (and maybe Darkrai too). All the other pokemon in his party were killed and the player and Grovyle merely survive thanks to Celebi intervention.
- As the future world cannot be saved, the player came into conclusion to destroy the timeline instead. It's like Munna's goal in Gates to Infinity. Both Grovyle and the player were desperate enough that they were willing to erase themselves to change the history, because they had nothing to lose. It also explained how Grovyle was bitter and didn't care how he stopped time in the past. Thankfully, the player lost their memory as they traveled into the past, or else you'd be playing with a bitter antihero who would do anything to change the past.
- Grovyle didn't mention anything of their previous adventure as he saw how happy the player was with the new partner. He only told you that you will disappear because there were no choice.
Of note is that in Super you can recruit both the characters from the bad future and the guild members (who haven't so much as evolved since the events of Explorers, mind you), showing that they exist simultaneously. Then again, this detail could also be explained by Celebi time traveling with everyone.
- Team Skull shows up: Wigglytuff just acts like his friendly self, while inwardly remaining suspicious of them. He doesn't say anything however, as that wouldn't be like him, and it would alert Team Skull of his suspicions.
- The Perfect Apple Incident: Wigglytuff initially believes that the player and partner failed, but once Team Skull arrive with a Perfect Apple, Wigglytuff realizes that the player and partner aren't to blame, and that his suspicions about Team Skull are justified.note
- Expedition: Team Skull are sent on their own path, so as to keep them from messing with any guildmembers.
- At Groudon Statue: Sending the player and partner onwards, while he stays there with Team Skull, keeping them from taking the treasure. Once Team Skull try and attack Wigglytuff, he retaliates, and is about to arrest them when his Perfect Apple starts rolling away, causing him to leave the ruffians there.
The fact that they chose a Pokémon with a "gimmick" to be a character that people would hate, and then made Gen V as gimmickless as possible might indicate that they realized that people didn't like the "gimmicky" Pokémon, and did this to say "okay fine, we won't do the useless gimmicky ones anymore."